Tuesday Night O/T: Texans finally request interview with Bieniemy, is it an attempt to make Watson happy?

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Until the Eagles fired Pederson, the news around Bieniemy was that every team with a head coach vacancy requested an interview with him except the Texans, despite him being at the top of Deshaun Watson’s wishlist. Then after a week of stories that Watson was angry and speculation that he might demand a trade we get this.

And that got some handsome sports bloggers wondering.

Or perhaps they’re just incompetent.

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saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
01/12/2021 10:22 pm

Is Watson good enough of a QB to be barking orders? I don’t think he is

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/12/2021 10:27 pm

Is that what he’s done, though? You don’t know. This is all rumors and conjecture, absent a definitive statement by one of the principles involved.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 10:29 pm

Far be it from me to trust reporting by the media these days. Saying that, I have heard this report from multiple sources. But it was an open thought on the subject whether it is accurate or not .

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/12/2021 10:38 pm

Rather, you heard it from multiple outlets. The sources involved are likely one or two people who hinted at things, and were talking about workplace rumors. That has little to do with the journalists involved, and a lot to do with how trustworthy their info is.

In this case, I’d say not enough to draw any firm conclusions, but then few put any stock in my opinion that Andy Reid doesn’t conveniently lie to validate the beliefs of fans who see hidden narratives behind him.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 10:43 pm

My opinion is there is enough smoke there for me to believe it. Could it be bullshit? Very possibly. But I lean toward believing the story

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/13/2021 12:24 am

Not me. Where there is smoke, there may well be mirrors, too – especially if you bring some of your own in the unthought-about belief that they will help you see through the smoke. I looked at the likely source of the smoke and considered the sort of person within a team’s organization, discounted official leakers and outright fabricators, and concluded that the smoke was based on what amounts to workplace gossip.

Speculation based on gossip is no basis for a reasonable system of argument. Now stop repressing me, or I shall summon peasants to witness the violence inherent in the system. Or maybe just fart in your general direction.

pompano
pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 10:32 pm

and both sides will incorporate the feedback

pompano
pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/12/2021 10:29 pm

usng any leverae he has,
the fulcrum has moved

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 10:34 pm

Aaron Rodgers wasn’t consulted when the Packers hired their new HC. They even drafted his replacement in the 1st round. And that is Aaron freaking Rodgers. So no, Watson isn’t that good where they have to cater to him.

pompano
pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/12/2021 11:57 pm

thier relative sucucess is not the issue re:leverage

maybe it’s all pr bullshit to see which way the wind blows

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/12/2021 10:35 pm

He is a good enough qb to where the ownership should find a coach that can maximize his abilities. But part of what makes a great qb great, is that he rallies a team, not creates a divide.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 10:39 pm

I like Watson. I think he is a good QB. But I don’t think he is I get what I want in the front office great. now Patrick Mahomes? You bend over backwards to make him happy. But Watson is no Patrick Mahomes

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/12/2021 11:10 pm

You bend over backwards to make him happy.

Strong disagree. Even for a player as talented and frankly transcendent as Mahomes. You seek his input and ensure that whoever is hired can forge a productive and amicable relationship with the face of the franchise but you never allow an organization to be held hostage by one of its constituent parts, no matter how critical a piece that part is.

Plus Name and Plus Name
Plus Name and Plus Name
Reply to  Sudden
01/13/2021 12:18 am

When Peyton Manning left the Colts it left their franchise in turmoil whilst bringing order to the donkeys. A franchise quarterback is more important than any other personnel.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
01/13/2021 12:38 am

Manning was also a seasoned vet at the time who had experienced multiple coaching regimes and as such gained insight into the deeper workings of a franchise. I would consider giving a qb like Alex a greater, albeit not final, input before Mahomes at this point in his career.

And the colts followed up a lost year with qbs so shitty i can’t remember their names with a new qb and the start of multiple consecutive division championships the following season while the broncos 5 years later are still in utter disarray.

Last edited 12 days ago by Sudden
Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 11:23 pm

Disregarding the fact that I think Watson is closer to average than good, i maintain that the only input that matters from a qb is will the coach and qb get along in a professional and amicable manner and can the qb successfully run the kind of offense the coach plans to install.

Coaching requires a multitude of dimensions beyond just the X’s and O’s. It is managerial, temperamental, organizational, and evaluative. Particularly in the NFL given roster size and differentiation of skill sets across position groups. You absolutely have to ensure that your qb and coach can have a productive and amicable relationship, but beyond that there are a variety of other skills that coaches must possess that a QB, particularly a fairly young one like a Mahomes or Watson, is not truly capable of evaluating.

pompano
pompano
01/12/2021 10:12 pm

the more things change…

pompano
pompano
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 10:16 pm

..so i leave it up to you

Last edited 13 days ago by pompano
pompano
pompano
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 10:18 pm

it starts when you’re always afraid

pompano
pompano
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 10:21 pm

why should i care..

pompano
pompano
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 10:40 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 8:12 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 8:12 pm

Down in New Madrid, FWIW.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 8:16 pm

Nice series. Will have to check it out.

Do you know by chance if 432 Abercorn (Savannah, GA) is profiled? It’s changed hands a number of times but was originally built by Gen. Benjamin Wilson of the Confederacy after the Civil War ended… but of course the story was just beginning…

https://ghostcitytours.com/savannah/haunted-places/haunted-houses/432-abercorn-street/
https://bethdolgner.com/432abercorn/the-legend-of-432-abercorn/

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Nasrani
01/12/2021 9:06 pm

First time I encountered the channel, so I can’t say. I did see as related an ep of his about Currahee, though.

pompano
pompano
01/12/2021 8:08 pm

thank you Andre.
Please pass it on Tony.

pompano
pompano
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 8:11 pm

-ziggy stardust

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 8:05 pm

For us nerds

Curse of Oak Island
Om History Channel

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 8:04 pm

INSIDE THE NFL
Just started on Showtime 🙂

ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91
01/12/2021 7:15 pm

Tale of two QB’s. These are stats from two regular-season matchup’s that the Chiefs have had against one team. Guess the QB’s and the team. One QB is a Chief and the other is the opponent.

20-26, 248 YDS 3 TD, 28/35 368 4 TD’s
14-23, 159 YDS 1 TD 2 INT, 16/36 267 0 TD’s

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
01/12/2021 7:24 pm

Is that Rogers numbers against the Bucs?

ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 7:26 pm

This is a Chiefs QB vs another QB in two regular-season games against each other. Let me just say that I was shocked when I remembered this.

Tyrone
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
01/12/2021 7:29 pm

*I have no idea

Last edited 13 days ago by Tyrone
Tyrone
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
01/12/2021 7:26 pm

Lamar?

Tyrone
Reply to  Tyrone
01/12/2021 7:27 pm

Numbers are too good to be Lamar

ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91
Reply to  Tyrone
01/12/2021 7:28 pm

This is not Mahomes vs Lamar

Tyrone
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
01/12/2021 7:31 pm

Alex Smith and Brady?

ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91
Reply to  Tyrone
01/12/2021 7:32 pm

Yep

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  Tyrone
01/12/2021 7:32 pm

Yes!

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  Tyrone
01/12/2021 7:44 pm

Makes you wonder what would have happened if Alex had gotten the start when the Washington Redskins WTF played the Bucs this past week.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  Nasrani
01/12/2021 7:48 pm

I know I was like WTF..

pompano
pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 7:53 pm

have you seen The History of Swearing yet?

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 7:54 pm

No sir….trying to watch the trailer now

Last edited 13 days ago by rip58lovealways
pompano
pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 8:01 pm

not great but funny, 20 mins each so they don’t get boring.
*should have just posted the sentence i was constucting using the titles*

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Nasrani
01/12/2021 7:50 pm

Absent the calf strain, I can’t say things would have gone a whole lot better with Alex under center, but IMO they’d have been at least slightly better. He’s a proven QB and leader on that team and is prolly liked and/or respected by everyone in the locker room. They had confidence in him, and rightly so, because while they know he can’t carry the team to victory, he can enable the rest of them to help get there more.

Confidence matters in sports, and there’s no quick fix to developing it.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 8:03 pm

you need to move to a warmer climate.. back to 70 here tomorrow..

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 8:07 pm

Need? Well, since I couldn’t afford to move us to TX, that’s moot. Although if any parent down in the southern side of the place has objections to letting kids play outside after dark might hear an earful about why they expect kids up here to stay inside after 5PM for months on end. 😉

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Nasrani
01/12/2021 8:10 pm

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Tyrone
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 8:36 pm

Would people think I’m racist if I got a Caucasians t-shirt?

pompano
pompano
Reply to  Tyrone
01/12/2021 8:39 pm

not if you wear it ironically, maybe 🙂

slackator
slackator
Reply to  Tyrone
01/12/2021 8:44 pm

I want one, although it’d be better if it said Whiteskins in my opinion

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  slackator
01/12/2021 8:45 pm

Seasonably tan skins ??

pompano
pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 8:52 pm

I think it was Pryor had the bit…
you’re pink, you sit in the sun and get tan, sit too long you’re red…and you call us colored?

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 9:04 pm

People of color is the official nomenclature of wokeness

pompano
pompano
Reply to  Sudden
01/12/2021 9:18 pm

people of many colors?
i like that

*variuos
*changing
*indefinite
*veritigrating

slackator
slackator
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 9:36 pm

not for me, closest I get to tanned is the previous redacted team name

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  slackator
01/12/2021 9:03 pm

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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 9:05 pm

I might order this
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Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 9:09 pm

Replace the profile head w something equally distinguished and noble as the logo it co-opts
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BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Sudden
01/12/2021 9:17 pm

Could just call them the Snyders, and use the guy’s own profile as the logo.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 9:26 pm

Could be seen as antisemitic

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Sudden
01/12/2021 9:38 pm

Self-inflicted, doubt many Jews would go beyond that. Besides, they keep being cast as major players in conspiracy theories, not to mention things like the (fraudulent and extremely antisemitic) Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or whatever, since I’m working from memory and the exact title doesn’t matter.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 10:28 pm

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saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 10:31 pm

periods are for pussies (see what I did there?)

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/12/2021 10:32 pm

Yep. I can go with the flow.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 10:49 pm

Both of you are bloody good at this

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 10:32 pm

That’s a totally different topic, so I decline to offer any opinion, other than Iran has a not-nice gov’t and we lack the power to put a reliably nice one in for them. We tried that before and failed at it.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/13/2021 12:31 am

See the above. I didn’t sign up for this diversion, so if you wish to pontificate about geopolitics, I suggest you start a thread about that instead of involving me, after I had stated I had no interest in your side road.

What you have done is to cast me as unwilling/unable to meet you on this surprise topic, therefore leaving yourself the default winner at my expense. As for your premise here, I suggest you take it up with Mitch Schwartz. The introduction of this twist wasn’t honest, so I decline to discuss it with you until further notice.

pompano
pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/13/2021 1:43 am

edit-nm too fucking late for this
Chiefs

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Tyrone
01/12/2021 9:06 pm

If anybody has a problem with it, tell them a white guy said it was okay.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 9:07 pm

Way to whitewash it. 😉

pompano
pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 9:23 pm

I WILL NOT BE A PARTY TO BLACKMAIL!
FUCKING CAP LOCK…

pompano
pompano
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 9:27 pm

FYI
i’ve recently learned that “/s” at the end is meant to indicate satire,
lazy satire

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 9:40 pm

Really? I recall when it meant “I’m done beings sarcastic”, but that goes back to Usenet.

pompano
pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 9:49 pm

you’re right i’m sure /s

that makes sense to carve out the satirical phrase from a long post.
i’m still pissed nobody told me the high beam switch wasn’t on the floorboard anymore…fuckers

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 10:17 pm

hey, that is cultural appropriation. Cancel that Native American individual

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 7:08 pm
pompano
pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 7:11 pm
rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 7:16 pm

Great song.. done done the damage done..

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 7:17 pm
pompano
pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 7:21 pm
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
01/12/2021 6:53 pm

all this chaos is wearing me out

Why do some thrive on it?

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/12/2021 7:10 pm

Because there assholes …..

pompano
pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 7:19 pm

…where?

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 7:23 pm

What ?

pompano
pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 7:25 pm

tomorrow..

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 7:53 pm

Why the pitcher?

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 7:59 pm

Who ?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 8:01 pm

I don’t know.

pompano
pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2021 8:05 pm

because of yesterday….

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 8:18 pm

Only when the moons full..

pompano
pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 8:36 pm

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*compliant w/community standards?

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 8:08 pm

Who’s on first.

pompano
pompano
Reply to  Nasrani
01/12/2021 8:45 pm

Who’s on bottom?

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 8:58 pm

I’m out ,night pompano..

Last edited 13 days ago by rip58lovealways
pompano
pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 9:00 pm

looks like my turn in the barrel.
be good man

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 7:37 pm

They’re….. asshole

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 7:40 pm

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pompano
pompano
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 7:46 pm

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Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2021 9:01 pm

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pompano
pompano
Reply to  Sudden
01/12/2021 9:32 pm
larch
larch
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/12/2021 7:11 pm
rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  larch
01/12/2021 7:19 pm

Hahaha …

Tyrone
Reply to  larch
01/12/2021 7:35 pm

I will upvote Get Smart 100% of the time every time

larch
larch
Reply to  Tyrone
01/12/2021 7:50 pm

Yup, a gem.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
01/12/2021 6:47 pm

“They never let me play wildcard weekend.”

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/12/2021 6:25 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/12/2021 7:07 pm

I’ll be getting mine just as soon as I’m able to, and flu as well. If I die or develop autism, anti-vaxx Luddites can celebrate.

We recently witnessed what comes of believing in conspiracy theories, but I doubt they’ll be any less popular, let alone less tolerated. I mean, when the price on a CT is no heavy thinking and a reason to embrace cognitive biasing as a way of life, it’s a pretty attractive deal, especially as you’ll find plenty of folks to help reinforce you in your efforts to focus only on that which proves your belief. That always feels good.

Eeesh.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/12/2021 7:10 pm

I found out that because I’m an IT field tech, I’m in group 1A for covid vaccinations because I go into patient care areas. That’s pretty nice. I need to get that scheduled.

wvchiefsfan
wvchiefsfan
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/12/2021 7:18 pm

I’m not holding my breathe. I’m sure I’m behind people in prison and the homeless in the priority order.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:21 pm

55 – nicely done 🙂

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:22 pm

32 – nicely done!

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:20 pm

Is Taco trying to tell Chiefs fans something? – posted today

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 7:29 pm

That would be huge if he is back

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:19 pm

CEH asking about a: 2 fast, 2 furious movie
a Raiders fan replied to him on Twitter

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:36 pm

Fuck the raiders, each and every last one of them…

wvchiefsfan
wvchiefsfan
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 7:21 pm

I’m going 2 fast 2 furious here. But agree Browns game film would pretty nice too.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  wvchiefsfan
01/12/2021 7:30 pm

2 Fast 2 Furious is the worst movie in that whole franchise.

wvchiefsfan
wvchiefsfan
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/12/2021 7:46 pm

I agree but I celebrate the whole franchise. I couldn’t even understand the one dudes phony accent in that Ford movie. Turned that shit off 30 minutes in.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:18 pm

Maybe this is a new upcoming 15 commercial?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:48 pm

well I have seen a few of those Head and Shoulders commercials already

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:12 pm

Seahawks fired OC – Brian Schottenheimer

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:48 pm

Damn

He can join Daboll somewhere soon!

NM_ChiefsFan
NM_ChiefsFan
01/12/2021 6:10 pm

EB: “umm, I’m good”

slackator
slackator
Reply to  NM_ChiefsFan
01/12/2021 6:28 pm

but string them along for the next month, delaying their search, especially after the hit piece their beat writer wrote the other day

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  NM_ChiefsFan
01/12/2021 7:32 pm

There is a common theme in the candidates. I really hope they are looking for the best coach and not just a P.R. win.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:04 pm

Chiefs 1/12 transactions:
Marcus Kemp (WR) and Jordan Ta’amu (QB) signed to Practice Squad.

https://www.chiefs.com/team/transactions/

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:02 pm
Sudden
Sudden
01/12/2021 5:53 pm

Wtf was Watson upset about?

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Sudden
01/12/2021 5:58 pm

owner hired GM without asking for his input
also, HOU owner was NOT planning on interviewing EB — owner will interview EB after Chiefs win SB.

Why would EB want to be part of that shit show HOU?
Owner, D. Hopkins wanted out…..JJ Watt wants out – TBD on Watson

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 7:34 pm

I don’t want the NFL turning into the NBA when it comes to deferring to the star players about personnel and coaching decisions.

Last edited 13 days ago by Severely Concussed
Plus Name and Plus Name
Plus Name and Plus Name
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/13/2021 12:46 am

I’m with you to a point. The Texans promised Watson that they would bring him in on the decision though, so that’s really their fault.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 7:38 pm

It sorta irks me that players think they should have input on coach hiring, let alone GM hiring. With coaches i can see it insofar as is important for the face of the franchise to have a good working relationship with the coach since a) they spend so much time together and b) x’s and o’s knowledge qbs possess overlaps.

But the GM role is personnel evaluation and critically cap management and neither of those are skills that an NFL qb would have the time to really develop an elite level understanding of.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  Sudden
01/12/2021 7:41 pm

Exactly.. it irked me as well..

Slayer0810
Slayer0810
Reply to  Sudden
01/13/2021 7:53 am

In the Texans case, though, it’s a bit of a unique situation. Because I think Watson knows that he couldn’t possibly have been worse at a GM than BOB was, “elite level understanding” or not.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Sudden
01/12/2021 6:00 pm

BTW: I’ll in be San Diego (this Wed & Thursday) for a quick 27 hour trip. Cali a MESS for covid 3m cases. I had to sign a waiver to stay @ a hotel. Hotels are not supposed to accept travelers…..even if essential travelers, like myself.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/12/2021 6:50 pm

don’t go to Taiwan

2 week mandatory Quarantine with a tracking device

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/12/2021 7:33 pm

Ditto w Hong Kong

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  Sudden
01/12/2021 7:53 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/12/2021 8:03 pm

And Spot can’t help you.

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