Thursday Night O/T

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What’s the matchup you’re most looking forward to on Sunday?

Come one and all to the O/T to discuss everything your heart desires, but let’s give some direction to help you start. The Chiefs play postseason football again this coming Sunday and I can’t tell you how excited I am to see them take the field again. There’s a good chance they play with out Sammy Watkins and Clyde Edwards-Helaire this week on offense. That means LeVeon Bell, Mecole hardman, and Byron Pringle will need to step up in their absence. There’s just one thing about Cleveland that I really focus on when watching their offense and that’s the offensive line. Even if they are banged up a little, they are extremely well coached and allow Nick Chubb, who is already a top flight running back, and Kareem Hunt to get into space quickly. They both gash defenses on the ground in large part to their offensive line and both are capable of having huge games.

The passing game is where the Chiefs have to best the Browns offensive line, and it’s how they will make this game not as close as it could be. When Baker has time and is comfortable, he’s very good. Here’s Mark Schofield breaking him down against the Giants just as a little primer.

Even if this game turns into a shootout, the Chiefs are more than equipped to deal with that scenario. If they can’t get to Baker, it’ll be just that and while that might be the more entertaining game, it’s best that the Chiefs blow out the Browns, don’t you agree? What matchup are you most looking forward to?

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alsi
alsi
01/14/2021 10:36 pm

Look, I just watch the games and skim through articles about the Chiefs whenever I get a chance. I saw this YT video linked to on another forum and it sounded like a lot of KC fans were mostly in agreement with what this guy has to say. I don’t know. I started watching it, but tbh, I am not that fan that can watch hours and hours of analysis…well…not even minutes and minutes, so I thought maybe some of you who are more appreciative of content, might appreciate this take on the Chiefs. Enjoy…or don’t. Not saying it’s good or bad. I don’t know. It sounds like he’s being as honest and objective as he can be…fwiw.If this guy is a member here, kudos for a quality-looking video presentation and the effort this obviously takes to produce and share.

Disclaimer: this is dated January 1, 2021, so it’s about 2 weeks dated. I don’t think much has changed though.

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Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  alsi
01/14/2021 10:53 pm

Thanks for reminding us why we’re actually here. We have a tendency to get into these masturbutory debates in the open threads and it causes us to miss the thread that binds us.

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BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 11:02 pm

That is true, but IMO primarily a product of those who bring outside agendas to this site.

There have been plenty of times when topics are discussed that end agreeing to disagree, the difference is that those didn’t involve an outside axe to grind.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  alsi
01/14/2021 10:55 pm

Personally, I’m sick and tired of people getting nasty over what’s effectively little more than differing Party loyalties, but I also have anger issues, so at times I say things.

In fact, I’d be around in the comments a lot more, were it not for The Smith Wars: Partisan Edition, with all the ugliness and futility that encompassed, and then some. But wait, there’s more! Now it comes with enhanced corrosiveness, the better to lay waste to a venue. And both sides own responsibility for it.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  alsi
01/14/2021 10:58 pm

Damn. This makes us look like shit.

kcfreak725
01/14/2021 9:32 pm

The Jets are hiring former 49ers DC Robert Saleh as their next HC.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  kcfreak725
01/14/2021 9:48 pm

I am glad he went there. I didn’t want him to go to the Chargers. Him with that defensive personell would have been a handful.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/14/2021 9:50 pm

I severely concurred with this.

Tyrone
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 9:55 pm

I’m not really a fan of hiring “defensive” guys to be head coach.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Tyrone
01/14/2021 9:58 pm

Belichek?

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/14/2021 10:15 pm

He’s pretty much the only one who has had consistent success, and he’s an outlier on any chart. He’s the longest tenured active coach and is top 5 in all time wins. Name another defensive coach who made it to a Super Bowl in the last 20 years? I bet we could count it on one hand.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/14/2021 10:51 pm

Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh. Literally every AFC coach not named Andy Reid or Peyton Manning.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 11:47 pm

There were a lot more than I thought there were. These are the defensive coachs who made it to Super Bowls since 2003. I’ve starred the ones who won.

Bill Belichick (AFC 2003*, 2004*, 2007, 2011, 2014*, 2016*, 2017, 2018*)
Bill Cowher (AFC 2005*)
John Fox (NFC 2003, AFC 2013)
Tony Dungy (AFC 2006*)
Lovie Smith (NFC 2006)
Mike Tomlin (AFC 2008*, 2010)
John Harbaugh (AFC 2012*)
Pete Carroll (NFC 2013*, 2014)
Ron Rivera (NFC 2015)
Dan Quinn (NFC 2016)

Bill B still skews this so much because he represented the AFC 8 times in the last 17 years. That’s why I said he was an outlier. Anyways, here’s what I found interesting:

  • Defensive coaches have represented a lot, but they’ve won about half the Super Bowls including Belichick
  • In 2003, 2006, 2013, 2014, and 2016 defensive coaches faced each other.
  • In 2009 and 2019 offensive coaches faced each other.
  • In the 10 matchups between offensive and defensive coaches, defensive coaches have won 5 times. 3 of those were Belichick.
  • Coincidentally, all 3 of Belichick’s Super Bowl losses have come against offensive coaches. (Coughlin x2 and Pederson)
Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/15/2021 12:07 am

It’s kind of immaterial to be honest. A coach being defensive or offensive oriented is far less important to their ability to manage, scout, and foster an esprit de corps.

What’s interesting is that a lot of those defensive coaches win with more offensively oriented teams (Patriots 2008 and later, Dungy, Steelers 2010 and later)

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  Sudden
01/15/2021 12:16 am

I noticed that too about the offensive teams. The Steelers, Patriots, and Colts all had HOF QBs.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 10:02 pm

ISWYDT Up’d

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
01/14/2021 9:10 pm
NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/14/2021 10:13 pm

Good tune, but a match will got out in kerosene so….

ForeverRanger91
01/14/2021 8:43 pm

For any video game fans, we lost probably the greatest NES Tetris player ever a couple of weeks ago.

zulu trader
zulu trader
01/14/2021 8:42 pm
pompano
01/14/2021 8:37 pm

why would an omnipotent being need a day of rest?
that’s always kinda bugged me.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 8:43 pm

HE probably did it to fuck with you and people who wonder such things
comment image

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pompano
Reply to  zulu trader
01/14/2021 9:28 pm

bit of a dick move imho

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 10:15 pm

Have you read the old testament

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 8:43 pm

what is a Day?

Is it possible that the omnipotent being has been sleeping since Mankind achieved Intellegience

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 9:13 pm

i was supposed to achieve intelligece?
i think i’m out of warranty….

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 8:47 pm

Weird

The Great Greek Philosophers never questioned Grecian Gods only when Rome took over the west did One true God become a thing….

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 10:05 pm

Well, there was a slight delay between Rome conquering the west and when Christianity became the official state religion.

BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 7:59 pm
wvchiefsfan
wvchiefsfan
01/14/2021 7:19 pm

Urban Meyer seems like a risky hire. Guy doesn’t like to hang around at a job long.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  wvchiefsfan
01/14/2021 8:01 pm

I bet he played soccer as a child. Fakes an injury when something bad happens.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  wvchiefsfan
01/14/2021 8:03 pm

Yet tremendously adept at quickly turning around an organization. The caveat that he could recruit top players with a brand like the buckeyes of somewhat offset by the fact that he can churn an entire roster in a season in the NFL. Not to mention that the sort of offense he ran with Alex Smith at Utah will be a juggernaut with Trevor Lawrence.

ForeverRanger91
Reply to  wvchiefsfan
01/14/2021 8:45 pm

I give it two years before he comes up with a bullshit health excuse.

slackator
slackator
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
01/14/2021 8:51 pm

I seriously dont think he makes it to year 2

ForeverRanger91
Reply to  slackator
01/14/2021 8:56 pm

I am being generous here. While he brought my Gators two titles, I despise the man. The man has no moral compass in regards to football. No way in fucking hell should Aaron Hernandez have been anywhere near a football field.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
01/14/2021 8:58 pm

What if he was burying a body?

ForeverRanger91
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/14/2021 9:00 pm

I can’t even imagine the amount of crap he probably covered up while he was in Gainesville.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
01/14/2021 6:49 pm

View post on imgur.com

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  probablyamistake
01/14/2021 6:56 pm

Not sure what this is supposed to mean

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 7:23 pm

It’s intellectual laziness and a failure to confront and respond to particular philosophical precepts and policy stances on their individual merits simply because of some wildly ambiguous and ill-defined association with a demonic caricature of a mid-century German political party. And it is wholly without any understanding of the Weimar context that incubated that movement.

Human beings are social animals and have an instinctive need to conform to social norms. When 6 corporations controlling 94% of media outlets and with more or less the same broad agenda collude to generate the impression of false norms, even suicidal ones, and paint any dissent as functionally the same as a regime that most people have only the most superficial and media-driven understanding of, most people will adjust to those norms, fall in line, and carry water for their programmers by engaging in uninformed ad hominems.

workingmansdead
Reply to  probablyamistake
01/14/2021 7:09 pm

I would have never in a million years known what “6MWE” is. This guy sure seems to know a lot.

Tony Sommer
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 7:16 pm

People at the capital riot were wearing shirts that had that on them.

pompano
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 7:21 pm

the camp Auschwiz shirt had “STAFF” on the back.
fucking insane that anyone would feel comfortable wearing that in public

pompano
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 9:33 pm

*can’t confirm that, not going there.
but if it didn’t i’d be surprise

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 9:35 pm

how many people has Marxism killed?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 10:44 pm

a lot, Idi Amin killed a lot too
and many others
TheHolocaust is in the three AFAIC

“we might murder less” is one hell of a campin slogan

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 10:56 pm

Now do American foreign wars

pompano
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 11:05 pm

i prefer them to civil.
we’re better on the road.

pompano
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 10:30 pm

fuck that bullshit. they had busses converted to mobile multiple exection chambers before the camps were built…the pentulament solution.

*not saying you believe that, but still*

pompano
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 11:29 pm

so operation Barbarossa was rational and genocide was less efficient upon rollout?

pompano
Reply to  pompano
01/15/2021 12:30 am

well allright then-

THEIR OWN RECORDS CONFIRM IT

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 7:26 pm

Ok…… ??? So what does that have to do with him or her or them being right or wrong about election fraud? So we are saying because someone is a Racist , that they can never be on the right side of any issue. That they automatically means they are 100%.wrong? That is borderline childish thinking.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 7:29 pm

I hope racism is erased from Humanity

the color of your skin has nothing at all to do with anything

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 7:34 pm

I agree. I just think it is a weak argument to say because some skinhead agrees with a narrative , that that narrative is automatically deemed to be on the ”wrong ”side . You have to admit that is stupid

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 7:36 pm

I guess the opposite is true to
Chinese Communists have good ideas also

the idea is to mold all the good together into a workable whole

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Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 8:30 pm

I start all my thinking with the premise that truth is the highest virtue. Arrogant as I am (hardly shocking news to regulars here) I do not consider myself the final arbiter of truth. I have been wrong about many things in the past and my worldview has evolved both in response to recognizing changes in the world or noticing blind spots I’ve had.

The problem with discussions of racism is that it’s an ill-defined catch-all term that fails to recognize gradations of thought (I’ll disregard its inconsistent institutional application for now).

Again starting with the presumption that truth is in itself moral, it is actually morally right to recognize population level differences in human composition, behavior, and thought at the population level where data analytics can actually guide us in understanding the wide tapestry of humanity. What is morally wrong is the logical fallacy known as composition fallacy where one assumes that because a person belongs to X group that they necessarily demonstrate characteristics that are associated with the population to which they belong.

We have enormous amounts of data spanning decades that indicate without question that on the metric of mathematical aptitude east Asians outperform every other racial category. But that is aggregate data and while it may provide some probabilistic guide, and since such aptitudes feature a generally normal distribution, there are plenty of people of in each broad racial category with more mathematical aptitude than the vast majority of East Asians. Ergo, it is not morally wrong to say Koreans are better at math than Italians but it is morally wrong to assume that Kim Jong Un is better at math than Galileo.

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 8:51 pm

Is it our job to determine who is best at anything or just to accept that person is mostly like me in needs and desires?

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 9:10 pm

job? more like a hoby i’m really bad at

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 9:30 pm

Every moment of human consciousness is constantly making hundreds individual judgements and those judgements are informed by heuristics that we apply to reality. And no, aside from the fact that people have wants and needs, there is no overlap between what you want and need and what another does. Even the base of Maslow’s hierarchy, food and shelter, the individual wants and needs vary widely. Where you may need insulation based on the climate you live or your reaction to cold, another may need ventilation based on his or his reaction to heat. Where you may need a diet rich in fiber due to your individual and genetically determined physiology, another may require a diet rich in fats based on theirs.

What I find funny about discussions of racism is that racism is contrasted against diversity. But the sort of morally appropriate “racism” (population level thinking) that i outlined in the comment you responded to is actually far more accepting of the diversity of the human condition than this phoney universalism of believing everyone is at their core the same and has the same capacities and propensities. That’s the ideology of the human widget factory and I frankly find it more dehumanizing than anything.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 7:21 pm

I couldn’t read the small print at first. So I clicked on the image (duh) and the best I can tell (also taking into consideration of who posted it) is that it is related to the ”riot” at the capital. So basically if a Nazi(whatever the hell that even means these days because it seems to encompass almost anything) says something, I automatically have to dismiss it no matter what. It is 75 and sunny out and a Nazi says it is beautiful , I have to turn around and shout that it is cold and rainy. This is such STUPID logic , but typical of the left

For a group of people who claim to hate anything binary, they sure seem to have a super narrow and binary way of looking at the world. What a simple minded world view. You want to know what the number one white supremacist group in the US is? The National SOCIALIST movement. I guess now all these soyboy commies should denounce socialism (they should anyway, but really need to now that it is linked to a racist club)

A racist can make a good policy point or an astute observation from time to time. That does happen. That doesn’t mean that we should denounce every single thing they say if it is factually accurate. That is just silly left wing , stupid logic

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 7:23 pm

Well the Socialist party is not part of the Democratic party…..

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 7:26 pm

3..2..1….

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 7:28 pm

dang 🙂

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 7:30 pm
saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 7:27 pm

uh…YES…YES!! it is

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  probablyamistake
01/14/2021 7:59 pm

Another helpful rule of thumb: When crafting guidelines such as these, remember that if they have zero applicability to the author’s side, they are inherently flawed. The Left admits no equivalent to the “Nazis” existing within their own ranks, so this boils down to a variation of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy.

When those on the Left start calling out their own, for once, then I’ll start taking them seriously. As it stands, they accept no guilt, shame, or dishonor ever attaches to their members – unless someone on their side tries calling a bad actor out. In that case, the traitor faces immediate retaliation. The woman behind The Red Pill barely even does that much in her documentary, and look how her fellow Leftists attacked her without mercy – without even bothering to watch her movie, first.

But such people cannot be described as “Nazis”, because of their political loyalties. Dishonesty packaged as something that supposedly couldn’t be more fair is horrible advice.

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 8:04 pm

steak-um bless
🙂

workingmansdead
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 8:39 pm

You really walloped the nail with that hammer, BRaG. Have an upvote

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 10:22 pm

That those on the Left are misusing the term “Nazi” as a slur, a smear has been as obvious as the fact that “Neo-Nazis” misuse it about as badly, and have been for about as long.

As for discussing authoritarianism, I’ll just say that you ought to know that while I accept that some authority is necessary, it can easily go too far. My personal belief is that authoritarianism is what happens when authority is not counterbalanced with responsibility. And it hasn’t been for a while, a process that began when the two most powerful private clubs in the nation switched from a republican nomination process to the direct democracy that some fervently believe will make everything better. I beg to differ. I embrace the liberalism of the historic GOP, suitably tidied up for modern use.

This causes both sides to dislike my opinions. Some so much that they hate my guts.

larch
larch
01/14/2021 6:33 pm

I’m curious to see what roles Hardman and Thornhill play in the game. Hardman seems to be having some struggles – I’m not giving up on him – but he should get his touches especially if Watkins can’t go and he can be explosive. As for Thornhill, his snap count decreased significantly in the latter half of the season (but he did play all D snaps in Wk17). I’m wondering how much playing time he’ll get. Seems like he and Hardman are still on the first portion of the learning curve. This is just a sidebar interest for me in this game, I’m not saying they’re wildcards capable of changing the game (but that would be nice).

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  larch
01/14/2021 6:38 pm

I’m not sure why Hardman is having issues. I think part of Thornhill’s relative dropoff is due to tearing his knee up late last year (I’ve heard that can take up to a year to rehab) and not having the “traditional” recovery (OTAs, training camp, preseason, etc.) to help get back in shape. No small amount of rust to shake off.

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larch
larch
Reply to  Nasrani
01/14/2021 6:42 pm

Yes, I wondered that about Thornhill’s knee, but then he was on the field for every D snap in the loss to the Chargers so I’m not placing too much weight on that line of argument.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  larch
01/14/2021 6:46 pm

maybe someone stepped up while he was out and he hasn’t been able to get his job back?

larch
larch
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:51 pm

Tedric Thompson? But seriously Dan Sorensen? Okay, I jest, but who were you thinking of?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  larch
01/14/2021 6:54 pm

Well I know that Sorenson was more involved in a LB role as the season wore on, HB plays wherever he is needed

I thought Thornhill was actually pretty good in that role also as a SS

just memory

so whoever is playing Free Safety who must be damn good cause I don’t know his name

larch
larch
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 7:01 pm

I’m kind of in the same boat. Did Fenton play some FS? Watts is on the roster but it wasn’t him. Maybe there were defensive schemes that reduced Thornhill’s snap count towards the end of the regular season. Maybe his knee needed rest. This all adds to my curiosity about his role in the upcoming game.

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  larch
01/14/2021 7:10 pm

well we did play a lot of CB’s out there

which is better usually anyway

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  larch
01/14/2021 6:48 pm

I don’t doubt that he’s fine physically – of course “fine” doesn’t necessarily mean “in tip-top football shape” – but I wonder how much of his time during the off-season was spent on physical conditioning compared to improving his game or studying up on his role.

I think that the physical rehab may have been his priority, rather than the ins-and-outs of his position.

Personally I think he’ll be back to form soon.

larch
larch
Reply to  Nasrani
01/14/2021 6:52 pm

I don’t disagree with that.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  larch
01/14/2021 7:18 pm

It’s not just healing and functional strength, though, it’s confidence in the joint, and that’s what takes the longest to recover from. Also, I recall a quote from Mathieu about him telling Thornhill to be patient, it can take over a year to get back up to full speed again, based on his own experience.

When you got a guy who’s BTDT saying it can take that long under normal circumstances, it’s worth taking seriously. Joints are tricky business, even now.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 7:21 pm

yep

Joints are hard to roll 🙂

larch
larch
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 7:50 pm

Two surgically repaired shoulders remind me of that truth.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:29 pm

anybody buying lottery tickets?

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:31 pm

Not yet, I always forget..,that would be badass.. someone’s gonna be rich bitch.!!

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/14/2021 6:43 pm
MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:40 pm

I’d buy lots of land, put a nice house in the middle of it, and focus on hobbies and fun.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  MasterChief
01/14/2021 6:42 pm

good plan 🙂

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
01/14/2021 6:25 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 5:49 pm
Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 5:39 pm

Missouri is moving to Tier 2 of Phase 1B of the covid vaccine rollout. That means old people (age 65+) and people with health conditions can get the vaccine starting Monday. Doing some back of the envelope math they should start Tier 3 (which I’m in) within 40 days.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 6:09 pm

Where do you get the vaccinations at?

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:10 pm

We haven’t heard a damn word on anything here…

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/14/2021 6:12 pm

any idea if Austin is gonna be a total mess tomorrow?

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:18 pm

Not tomorrow, no

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/14/2021 6:19 pm

supposed to be protests in all the state capitols tomorrow

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:21 pm

over Covid vax?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 6:21 pm

Trump

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:23 pm

pro? anti?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 6:27 pm

I would assume Pro
can’t find any news related to it though

We do have 20K national guard protecting Washington DC though

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:32 pm

I heard there was a call tp protests next week. I know many conservatives feel it is a setup for either violence towards them, being baited into doing something, or a false flag operation to try to blame conservatives over violence. I saw a lot of tweets urging Trumpers not to attend. If anything happens, it will be further excuse for the authoritarian Govt we have now to crack down even more on conservative voices

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 6:35 pm

We have an authoritarian government now?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:58 pm

I call calling for decenters to be punished authoritarianism. It didn’t take long for Biden to show his true colors

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 7:08 pm

so all those other protests this year were not people dissenting also?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 7:10 pm

I’m not talking about actual rioters. I’m talking about people who disagree with the Biden administration

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 7:15 pm

So Jan 6th was not a riot and as far as I can tell Biden had nothing to do with it other than beating Trump in the Presidential Election

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 7:28 pm

So it wasn’t a riot in your eyes? Strange statement coming from you

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 7:43 pm

I left of the damn question mark

?

I am not sure I have seen a more rioteous riot

maybe the US withdrawal from Vietnam when people were hanging of Helicopters or something

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 7:45 pm

so you didn’t watch TV from June to Oct?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 7:47 pm

I did
none of those tore up MY capitol

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 9:31 pm

The capital building burned to the ground? Must have missed it

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 9:37 pm

*he didn’t say that….stop doing that

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 9:39 pm

doing what? You can’t compare taking a selfie in an office to months and months and months of death and destruction. It is a Straw Man argument at best willfully ignorant at worst

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 9:48 pm

you’ve convinced me.
what about the dead cop?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 9:50 pm

the guy who had a stroke?
what about the unarmed woman who was killed?

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pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 9:57 pm

no the apprent suicide.
ura dick

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 9:58 pm

Brian D. Sicknick

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 10:02 pm

That depends. Do you want my honest opinion, or do you want me to say what BLM supporters said all last summer

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 9:53 pm

i believe you were the 1st to draw the comparison

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 7:10 pm

Makes him much like Trump then, since he has repeatedly called for those who dissent to be punished. This includes a number of Republicans of late, because they are not loyal to him personally.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, by your own standard. The only difference is who gets targeted, and certainly those engaged in criminal activities at the Capitol have earned it.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 9:31 pm

Criticizing someone who disagrees with you and openly talking about taking away constitutional rights are way different. AOC is already talking about having a committee to control the (cough conservative cough) media. That is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more Orwelian than anything trump did. But keep pretending the 2 are equal

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 9:43 pm

we’ve been on that “Owellian” road for decades

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 9:46 pm

calling the media fake news when it does MANY times produce fake and bias news isn’t the same as setting commissions to control the media. If you can’t differentiate between the 2, then I don’t know what to tell you

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 9:48 pm

Honestly that is why they call him a nazi and it really is the chief commonality he shares with the nazi movement.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 9:52 pm

so what do you call a person who actually uses Govt power to suppress the media?

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 10:17 pm

I wrote a massive comment upthread about the mischarcterization of tactics as ideology. Every political regime exercises authority and often diametrically opposed ideologies will use the same tactics/levers for doing so.

Trump failed in part because he lacked the gumption to do that.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 10:03 pm

historically-
FCC?
Hayes Act?
VOA evisceated?more recent.
the boss is the same eve if the name changes

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 10:44 pm

VOA is not intended for domestic consumption, it is a propaganda tool utilized for international regime destabilization/ regime change.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 10:30 pm

You’re talking differences in degree when I was discussing the similarities of kind. Indeed, at the moment you don’t even have any applicable evidence, only your fears and beliefs.

You are no better than those on the Left who view those on the Right as evil and anti-American. A difference of direction, not a difference in kind. Two sides of the same coin, each claiming greater virtue.

But hey, go on telling yourself that you’re smarter and better-informed than anyone who disagrees with you on such things. The last thing I expect from you is actual introspection, since you appear to confuse that with confirmation and other mental biases. Don’t like that characterization? Don’t reply with dodges and deflections to areas you are more confident in defending.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 10:34 pm

you try to overcomplicate things. You use false equivalency often to try to prove your points. You are basically telling me that a Watermelon and a grape are identical because they are both fruit. I don’t know what I am supposed to do with that.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 10:42 pm

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Fox News is controlled opposition, saints. It exists as a containment zone to establish the allowable parameters of the ruling class dialectic. Fox News “conservatism” is not only a fraud, it legitimately is what is dispossessing its own audience by purposefully denying them the language of self-advocacy, and worse, getting them to advocate in the interests of the very same international finance capitalism. Mainstream conservatism has conserved nothing.

Let them destroy it by using the FCC charter. Their audience will seek out counternarrative programming and we will have established a precedent to crush the corporate media fiefdom when we finally get a reactionary candidate will a real set between his legs.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 6:44 pm

by the way if you were somehow still not believing in this being a shill psyop, someone found a lefty election night watch party poster that you might wanna check out pic.twitter.com/pPJHLrhPcL

— Weather Duck (@quackocracy) January 13, 2021

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 6:49 pm

Also, January 6 was the first rw protest in 4 years that there wasn’t an army of antifa at trying to intimidate, silence, and pick fights. Almost like the FBI’s plausibly deniable paramilitary force knew in advance that there was a particular agenda that they should be getting in the way of. Not to mention Milo Yiannopolis, who is himself an admitted FBI informant, publicly stated that his FBI handier visited him to let him know not to attend. Feds gotta protect their assets and all.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 7:33 pm

I watched this guy’s 40 minute YouTube documenting the event. He was not an agent provocateur, did not generally participate in any meaningful way other than entering the capitol himself, and was very explicit throughout when people said stuff like “we did it” with the caveat that he’s not one of them but just documenting.

While there may have been agent provocateurs, he was not one and we should be honest that the people who entered the capitol were by and large ordinary conservative white proles (a demo for whom congress holds in the highest contempt) manifesting an inchoate and frankly righteous populist rage against a ruling class that has spent the last 70 years looting their civilization and then having the audacity to call them privileged.

It’s a shame that decades of conservative brainwashing has then blaming socialism or China when it is capitalist plutocrats here that are the ones actively and deliberately trying to destroy them.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 7:40 pm

Agree

when it is capitalist plutocrats here that are the ones actively and deliberately trying to destroy them.

divide and conquer the poor to keep them from uniting against the real oppressors.

The Greed is Good Cabal

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:22 pm

Oh, I’m sure .. there’s been idiots down there all week. Haven’t looked at local news..

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:19 pm

How will he be able to tell the difference?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 6:20 pm

Texas National Guard troops

Tony Sommer
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:12 pm

Don’t know. I think they’ll be free.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 6:09 pm

Do you have to pay for them?

Tony Sommer
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 6:17 pm

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 6:18 pm

Following Phase 1b, the state plans to begin vaccinating Phase 2 residents, including prisoners, homeless people and other groups considered to be populations at increased risk of serious complications from COVID-19. The general public would then have access to a vaccine as part of Phase 3. But Missouri health officials have said they are still finalizing distribution beyond Phase 1a, so plans could change.

https://states.aarp.org/missouri/covid-19-vaccine-distribution

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:33 pm

I did see that a poll said 25% of Missourians don’t plan to get vaccinated

more for us 🙂

Tony Sommer
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:35 pm

I’m at the point where I don’t care. By the time we get to the point where we have more vaccines than people willing to get them I will have long ago gotten both doses. I’ve spent the last year trying to avoid spreading it while tons of people whined and complained. If they want to get covid so badly then good for them.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:37 pm

And those people need to be denied services if they get infected.. sorry no hospital for you, good luck asshole.

workingmansdead
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/14/2021 6:47 pm

I 100% agree. People should be allowed to choose, but we should not make any concessions for those who don’t get it.

workingmansdead
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 6:47 pm

Then we can extend that to smokers too

workingmansdead
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 6:47 pm

And then obese people

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 6:49 pm

extend what?

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 6:49 pm

Hahaha, you may be onto something here…

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58lovealways
01/14/2021 6:51 pm

I was a little pissed that jailed people are more important to vaccinate than us working idiots

workingmansdead
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 6:57 pm

I do agree there. That’s an outrage.

Tony Sommer
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 6:54 pm

We’ve already banned smoking in most places, and obesity isn’t contagious.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 6:56 pm

genetic

workingmansdead
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 6:58 pm

But it’s a health condition obtained by choice. If we’re penalizing chosen behaviors that contribute to bad health, let’s do it already.

workingmansdead
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 6:59 pm

(and for the record, I’ve gotten the first round of the vaccine. I’m just arguing philosophically here)

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 7:03 pm

damn you 🙂

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 7:05 pm

you versed on medical some?

I was thinking that somewhere they said o positive blood types were less likely to have bad covid outcomes without underlying health issues?

workingmansdead
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/14/2021 7:06 pm

There is a link to outcomes based on blood types, but exactly what, I’ve not read enough.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 7:02 pm

how does that relate to covid?

and not to start an arguement but some people would be fat if their medical conditions allowed it

lots of people both skinny and fat are sick and many are also reasonably healthy

to add

the way our medical system works
those that can pay pay twice to take care of the people that can’t

that has no bearing on fat or smoker at all

Tony Sommer
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 7:03 pm

The idea isn’t to punish people who choose to be unhealthy, but those who risk the health of others by their choices.

workingmansdead
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 7:08 pm

Fair enough. I’d be more inclined to let people make their own choices, whether that be to get the dang vaccine, or choose to remain cautious and isolated if they feel they themselves are at risk.

Tony Sommer
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 7:10 pm

The problem is that those at risk can’t just isolate forever. People with health risks have to make a living like the rest of us. I’d rather ban people who chose not to get a vaccine from flights than for people at risk from no fault of their own to have to live as hermits.

workingmansdead
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 7:14 pm

There are also a lot of people out there with modifiable risk factors that aren’t doing what they need to improve their own health. I see many of them each day. I don’t feel we need to make any concessions for them.

But certainly the immunocompromised and others in that true unmodifiable high risk group will get the vaccine, so that’ll help.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 7:19 pm

wait Homelessness was caused by something

usually poor choices also

Humans all make poor choices

sorry man

I am considered obese and have had all my life except when I did a few drugs back in my youth

it is genetic, and well yeah I could fight it and let it eat my brain

or just manage it

Half of the NFL is obese 🙂

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/14/2021 7:11 pm

I agree with that

If Me and my family want and can get the vaccine I assume we will be able to live our lives somewhat worry free

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/14/2021 9:38 pm

but if the people who want to get vaccinated get vaccinated, what does it matter to those who choose not to? They will just make each other sick while everyone else is protected

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 10:15 pm

need 70-80% min for “herd immunity”.
yall laughted when i said we may hit 25-30% infection rate many moons ago …

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 10:18 pm

The current vaccines do not immunize

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 10:43 pm

If it does not immunize, they wouldn’t call it a vaccine. Wherever you got that idea, it’s likely a misunderstanding of the fact that a flu vaccine provides at least some protection from similar strains. That they won’t necessarily confer immunity to everyone is a matter of effectiveness, and with the emergency authorization that stage will be handled by the analysis of the general public after it’s deployed.

I don’t know where you came up with that, but it’s certainly not from a trustworthy expert. An alternative-to-medicine source, maybe, or perhaps one that drew on that. You’ll likely dismiss this as authoritarian junk, but the link below is a lot more fact-based than saying “vaccines don’t work, or at least, this one doesn’t”.

Are you a believer in MMS and grounding mats, too?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 10:19 pm

ya but if you are vaccinated then you are immune. That is the point of getting vaccinated. If you get the vaccine, then what does it matter if the person next to you is sick. That is kinda how that all works

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 10:21 pm

No, again, the current vaccines do not confer immunity. They prime spike proteins triggered by the virus in order to make it so that when you catch the virus it is less severe. They neither prevent infection nor spread.

It is not an inoculation and it is not an immunization

pompano
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 10:52 pm

we don’t know if the vacinated cannot transmit yet.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 10:59 pm

then this doesn’t seem like a very effective vaccine

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 11:08 pm

jfc

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  pompano
01/14/2021 11:40 pm

It’s complicated to put but yes vaccinated persons can transmit (the vaccine does not immunize, one still catches the vaccine and dies not have antibodies for it) but incidence of transmission will be lowered because of the effectiveness in reducing symptomatic cases. The virus is spread primarily through aerial droplets from cough and sneeze, so mitigating the amount of coughing and sneezing will effectively reduce transmission by infected individuals by reducing the symptomatic manifestations.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 10:59 pm

So what you are asserting is that “they” are falsely calling it a vaccine. Got it. Sorry, forgot the CDC link, but there’s no source I can cite that will change your mind a bit, so I shan’t try.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness.html

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/14/2021 11:32 pm

You should read the things you cited and look into the definition of effectiveness which is never defined there but is defined elsewhere in medical literature and does not mean prevention of the virus itself but rather mitigation of the virus’ effects.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vaccine/art-20484859

From the article:

The FDA has given emergency use authorization to the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. Data has shown that the vaccine starts working soon after the first dose and has an efficacy rate of 95% seven days after the second dose. This means that about 95% of people who get the vaccine are protected from becoming seriously ill with the virus. This vaccine is for people age 16 and older. It requires two injections given 21 days apart.

I put the operative portion in bold font which demonstrates that the vaccine does not prevent one from getting the virus but rather mitigates the seriousness of its manifestation. This is reported everywhere in medical literature and even most media (surprising candor tbh), it’s not some Qunacy. It’s medical fact and what the definition of effectiveness means in the medical literature.

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KansasGorilla
KansasGorilla
Reply to  Sudden
01/14/2021 11:30 pm

Bingo. We have a winner.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/14/2021 10:50 pm

no

Nasrani
Nasrani
01/14/2021 5:34 pm

The Eiffel Tower and the Taj Mahal
are mine to see on clearer days

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