The Chiefs Defeat The 49ers 19-16 In Their Preseason Showcase

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Preseason Game 1 Recap.

Chiefs Win! Nipple Twist Jimmy Feels Good!

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Game Summary

The starters on defense looked sharp despite missing Willie Gay and Frank Clark, while the offensive line looks much improved (especially over what we saw in the Super Bowl). Chad Henne had all day on his touchdown drive with the new offensive line. After the starters were done the backups made some mistakes to give the 49ers the lead at halftime.

Going into the 2nd half means going deep into the depth of the roster. The undrafted rookie Gordon didn’t look too bad. But overall a snoozefest from both sides until the last couple minutes. The 49ers drove down the field to score the go ahead touchdown, but Shane Buechele answered with a touchdown drive for the Chiefs (with some help from his receivers making a couple spectacular catches). Rosen tried to lead a game winning drive, but got sacked and committed a game-losing penalty.

Box Score Champs

Passing Leader: Anthony Gordon

Rushing Leader: Jerick McKinnon

Receiving Leader: Daurice Fountain

Tackle Leader: Riley Cole/Tim Ward

Sack Leader: Tim Ward

Interception Leader: Armani Watts

This is why we’re here, its time to celebrate! Keep the spirit in celebration and let’s have fun!

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EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/15/2021 1:01 am

Last comment then I am out of here – Excited about the game and the football talk afterwards as it has been a long off season. It is always interesting to listen to the different takes when watching the same game. If you take out those who are negative about everything, it does allow one to try and look at something with a different perspective.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/15/2021 12:54 am

If everyone experiences the same abnormal situation, does the abnormal data become normal as the aforementioned abnormal situation becomes the norm?

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 1:12 am

But it hasn’t, because this year we returned to the norm, which involves a ton of moving parts that we can’t evaluate. Specialist training, for example. Some need it more than others, and some benefit more from it than others, and it’s a Venn diagram there. Expecting players to develop the same way is tricky normally, cut it out entirely, and the playing field of comparisons becomes extremely uneven and those that are behind to start with can’t catch up with those farther along.

If you’re going to evaluate someone, your standards need to be sound. Last year had no sound standards for player development evaluation. The comparison competition became much more unequal, and those behind the curve had no opportunity to catch up through personal training. Development training is an equalizer that can’t be ignored, because some are held back by a particular skill that’s unrelated to the things that are obvious on the field. Small improvements can have big results, as we saw from Tyreek’s development to his 2nd season. His improvement was dramatic due to his choices in offseason development, not because every player progresses the same way at the same rate. Call it an apple all you like, but last year’s an orange, just the same.

hmills110
hmills110(@hmills110)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 4:18 am

Perception = reality until reality bites.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/15/2021 12:33 am

Two stories about the softball – I started with them when they were in T Ball – First practice – I had them in a line and stood about a foot away and practically plunked the ball in each glove and said over and over – Good catch. They left that practice feeling good about their abilities. Second story – We lost a game on one of the hottest days ever – we had a 6:00 start time. I went through three catchers during the game. Their play was lackadaisical. This was the only time that I ever scolded the team – not for losing but for not trying their best. They won their next 28 games.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:41 am

I’m no coach, but the youngest played a year of summer league BB because his friend was. He wasn’t very good at shooting, so he soon came to me about his limited playing time.

My advice to him was that almost everyone focuses on offense at his age, so a guy who plays good D is someone the coach will use, simply from the scarcity. He took my advice to heart, and his floor time quickly improved, because defense there is quicker to learn than offense, if you put the same focus on it. He wasn’t a star, but he became a mainstay of that team.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:48 am

That is the hard part about coaching – and one thing that many coaches are not good at or not even willing to try – is to balance the playing time for those who have a natural ability to those who are the hard workers but not the most talented. This is coaching at the young player level. Every player deserves to feel like a part of the team and the coach should do everything possible to make that happen.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 1:20 am

Quite true, but I still handed my boy and edge WRT playing time. Having a player busting balls on getting better on D paid off, and fairness about playing time is difficult if the team wants to win. I couldn’t make the coach be more fair, so I took an approach that was decidedly unusual, and it paid off for him. Elegant? No, but it still worked, which was the point.

And an important lesson for him too, I think. He learned that if you’re willing to do the work nobody else is interested in, you’ll be valuable. Not that your employer will value you, but it widens your options. How do you think I ended up in this position, after all?

Maw423
Maw423(@maw423)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 8:48 am

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:56 am

My fifth grade son was benched on his BB team for a third grader. It was a fifth grade league and the third grader was the coaches son. The kid could play but I still to this day believe that the coach was 100% wrong.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/14/2021 11:49 pm

I have coached young kids in football, softball, bowling, and – lord help us – cross country. Found success in every sport. I am not an expert in x’s and o’s in football, can hardly see a softball, do not bowl like Earl Anthony, and chain smoked after my cross country runners went over the hill BUT I was able to install confidence in the players for each sport. That was my expertise. This confidence translates to the NFL – you can see it and the lack of it in every NFL game.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/14/2021 11:24 pm

I think Remmers has officially lost his job to Niang. Time will tell if he has an opportunity to win back the position.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:29 pm

Other than LT, I’m good with Remmers as being the OL swing guy. He’s a good backup in most positions, but not a legit starter, a position stud. If Niang beats him out, I’ll be pleased, but Remmers still has value.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/14/2021 11:36 pm

Knock on wood – If Brown ever went down, do they move Niang to LT and put Remmers in at RT or vice versa. Remember, Thuney can play the LT position as well but that creates a whole at LG.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:59 pm

Then plug Remmers in at LG. IIRC, he’s had experience playing guard, and would likely do better there than at LT. There’s also Allegretti, who wasn’t stellar last year, but did pretty well as long as he had support on either side.

And that was in a season where he also missed a lot of the developmental work that rookies normally get, so being able to hold up as well as he did is promising.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:05 am

We have many options and I agree that Remmers has tremendous value. I do want to see Niang as the starter as his upside appears to be higher but Remmers did do a credible job at RT last year.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:13 am

And I agree with you about Niang. Prior to his college hip injury, he was considered to be a higher-end prospect, and then he opted out last year. Since then, he seems to have a dark cloud following him around to some, but why? This is his rookie season, but he was on a pro team, and able to get ahead of the game of developing. Would having a normal offseason run been better? Absolutely, but due to rehab, that wasn’t happening anyway. Why view him as anything but a very promising rookie?

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:16 am

Not sure how long he would have been sidelined with the injury had he not opted out but he certainly would not have been the starter and Remmers would surely have held him off after Schwartz went down. Might have been the starter over Wylie in the Super Bowl.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:21 am

Perhaps, but either way, he wasn’t going to be able to do much before camp. Instead, what he got was an extended offseason to rehab in, then as restrictions eased, a lot longer than usual to develop as in an offseason. He’s an advantaged rookie as a result.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:22 am

A good way to look at it – might be better for his long term development.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:34 am

Well, he loses a year to age, but that was unavoidable either way. But as rookies go, he’s a step ahead of the norm, thanks to last year.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:35 am

We could view him as a second year player behind the curve as well.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:42 am

We could, but officially he’s a rookie, which I think is justified. His contract didn’t advance.

hmills110
hmills110(@hmills110)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 4:36 am

He has more knowledge, but he’s had a crash course in muscle memory since the pads went on.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:20 am

I think Niang gets a bad rap cause he opted out. Footballers are supposed to be alpha males who will fight side by side with their teammates. As fans, we celebrate the Ronnie Lotts of the world who will amputate a finger so they can be on the field. Whether it is fair or not, by sitting out, he is perceived as soft by many. It is similar to when Jonathan Martin was bullied. How the hell could someone that big be bullied and cry like a little baby about it. Niang has a chance to prove this perception of himself wrong. I think he will make believers of us all sooner than later.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/14/2021 11:19 pm

Disappointments
Not seeing more Patrick
Hardman dropping a ball
Gray not having a catch
Gay not playing
Poor safety play during stretches

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:29 pm

I assume Key blew coverage on that TD. Tough to watch after all the talk at camp. Hopefully it motivates him to do better going forward.
When something like that happens I think back to Kevin Ross. In his first regular season game he got burned on multiple plays. When Marv was asked about it later he said he was impressed by the way Ross didn’t let it get to him. I thought it was just coach-speak initially, but Ross started the next game and didn’t get burned, and continued to play better every game so that by the end of the season he wasn’t just an OK CB, he was becoming a force.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:34 pm

Dale Carter once asked Marty to take him out of the game as he was getting torched playing the corner. Key is a young kid and, hopefully, learns the lesson as you state. Thornhill made some errors as well. Not saying it will become a trend but you hate to see bad plays like this – though it happens all the time in football.

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:39 pm

It’s interesting to me to see how players respond to adversity. Especially on the extremes. There are some who really step up and some collapse. Most fall somewhere in between, but it’s always something to pay attention to in this game.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:43 pm

I absolutely agree – That is perhaps the best quality that a player can have – those who step up to face and overcome adversity. Look how Lamar Jackson has shrank when adversity hits – you know his teammates are impacted by this. Patrick on the other hand – WOW. Aaron Rodgers can compete for the title of best quarterback when his team is winning but is not in the top ten when adversity hits.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:52 pm

Great observation on Rogers there. It doesn’t mean he sucks under adversity, he’s still well above average then, but the gap’s definitely there. Go up by 10 or so over him, and he’s not quite the same.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:08 am

Wish I could go back and check his record against teams that were better than or equal to his team. Might be a mental block there.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:18 am

Might be. I’m still of the opinion that between the SF shoulder injury and coaching carousel, Alex developed a slight distrust in his ability to go deep. Under Reid, though I know he drove many nuts, he did gain some confidence there.

What did Yogi say? 90% of the game is half mental? However much it is, the subconscious is always involved, and if something gets stuck in there, it’s hard to get out. Trust me, I’ve been pulling those weeds out myself for a very long time.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:22 am

Agree with your take here.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:27 am

As a teacher, I always structured my first couple of weeks to practically insure that everyone would be successful. Helped tremendously as we moved to harder and harder material.

hmills110
hmills110(@hmills110)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 4:50 am

I know a lot of teachers who do a lot of review the first few weeks, because we can’t expect them to be prepared, any more, these days.

I’m more hands-off. I developed materials over many years that are pretty follow-your-nose, and most students do best without much interference. The best thing I can do is just lay out the resources and step back.

Then monitor progress very carefully, to begin with, and pounce on the stragglers, with a lot of “How can I help you get rolling?”

But I was already delivering most of my content online, before COVID, teaching both online and face-to-face. Tools I developed for online got incorporated into my face-to-face, because I wanted on-demand instructional materials available to all students, so they learned to answer their own questions without waiting for Math God’s Pronouncements.

hmills110
hmills110(@hmills110)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 4:43 am

The Rodgers criticism was also leveled at Romo. To MY eye, the chips were down because the situation was bad the whole game. I’m not sure the criticism of those QBs is necessarily well-founded.

No doubt Mahomes has icewater in his veins in the clutch, but he’s had Tyreek and Travis as mainstays AND the O-Line had a knack for blocking it up after struggling most of the day, in part because it’s exhausting to play defense against Mahomes for 4 quarters, even without much running game.

That was a factor in SB LIV. San Fran wasn’t used to being on the field as much as Mahomes was making them stay out there. You could see the bigs wearing down.

KCChef
KCChef(@kcchef)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:40 am

Go up by 10 ? … MVPat sez : : Hold My Beer …” …; )

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  KCChef
08/15/2021 12:43 am

Mahomes is in the rare air of those that seem to prefer adversity. Winning a blowout is boring.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:49 am

I know we’ve been wrangling tonight, but I want you to know that this is one of the best conversations I’ve had here for a long time. You’re appreciated, EA, not least by me.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:53 am

I am fine with wrangling as our debate does not get personal. I do not always agree with your takes and speak out when I do not but no matter how much we agree or disagree the bottom line is that we are friends and AG brothers. I respect the way you stick to your opinions and defend them eloquently.

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
08/14/2021 11:10 pm

Did the Chargers say they weren’t going to play Herbert this preseason or just this first game?

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:12 pm

Not sure – Herbert needs to be in there to continue to improve. He had a good year last year for a young kid.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/14/2021 11:09 pm

Townsend is another winner.

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:12 pm

Good to see him bounce back from the SB. Man, he really boomed them tonight! I hope the missed PAT wasn’t on him.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:14 pm

Those missed extra points drive me insane. Had not thought about who might be the one responsible for the miss.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:16 pm

They’ll figure it out, I expect. Might have been some small fluke involved, but that’s for the film room.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:15 pm

I doubt it matters to that trio. It’s a practice game, and half the purpose is to see the good, the bad and the ugly. Then you know not only what to work on, but how to work on it going forward.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/14/2021 11:17 pm

Given the many missed extra points last year – the miss in this game becomes more significant.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:23 pm

Given their lack of offseason work last year, I’m not inclined to get worried about an isolated incident. That leads down the road to doing things like bagging on Hardman for not being more developed last season, and treating that as actual proof.

I’m not a fan of making myself dumber that way.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/14/2021 11:29 pm

Patterns
Buttkicker missed several key extra points last year
Hardman dropped several key passes last year

Everyone missed the offseason work last year

Missing the extra point and dropping the pass does not necessarily mean that the pattern continues but pointing this out does not mean it is a dumb thing to do.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:05 am

Of course those were mistakes, but what do they prove? You cite last year repeatedly, and suppose it’s valid, like any normal year. It wasn’t a normal year, so I have little use for those “patterns”. The human mind is constructed to seek out patterns, even when they don’t exist. Therefore, I don’t consider anything from last year as proof of much of anything, the evidence can’t be relied on, no matter how much you want it to be. It’s all tainted, and yet some treat it as meaningful as a normal season. It isn’t, there’s too much we can’t account for in there.

Garbage in, garbage out.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:13 am

I do not see how missing offseason work taints the entire season. Is this for young players only? Did every young player struggle last year? What about older players that struggled? Was it due to the COVID conditions? We are not able to dismiss an entire season.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:32 am

I can and will dismiss flawed evidence. Your statement assumes that all players need the same amount of development, and develop at the same rate under all circumstances.

Since that isn’t true on any point, I fail to see how anyone can cite last season without accounting for all the variables involved. It seems you view this evaluation as simple enough that you can ignore all the important details, and treat it as normal. It’s not normal, so normal stats are all flawed, and unless you are doing film analysis, so are all the eye tests. It’s not just one player, every player in the NFL is included, thought 2nd-contract vets had the decided advantage. Not all players started at the same level of development. That’s why they need developing, but focused development after your first season makes a big difference.

Or you can view all the players with under 2 seasons’ experience as identical, and should progress identically on their own. I’d rather not avoid the flaws in the data, since any contrary fact destroys a theory.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/15/2021 12:42 am

With the exciting potential of his first year, we should be able to agree that his second season was disappointing. You claim that it is due to the lack of focused development and I have conceded that it did not help his cause by missing that time. Did you ever think that he also had his head up his ass at some point and chose not to practice or study as hard as he needed to as the season progressed? Can I prove that this is the case – no – but you cannot prove that it was not the case. If memory serves correct, he had one target so one drop is not by any means conclusive but he is in a profession where precision is a must and the memory of last year rings loudly for Chiefs fans. I hope he proves me wrong but I will see what pattern is established this year.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:47 am

Oh, but I’m not saying that I know how much difference it made, but neither do you, which is my point6 here. Yes, last year was a disappointment, but why? I don’t know, and neither do you. You treat that unknown as having little meaning, but to me, it’s a huge flaw.

And with me, it isn’t isolated to young players. Nothing on anyone from last season is trustworthy, because it wasn’t a normal season. An abnormal season produces abnormal data.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/14/2021 11:02 pm

Five sacks for the Chiefs – First preseason game but I like this stat

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:05 pm

The first one with Jones was really nice. As the SF commentators pointed out he beat a starter.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:08 pm

True – adds some impact to that sack. Ward’s first step got him his sacks. Wharton was in quick – not sure if it was due to a good move or bad OL play. Cobb got his on a blitz

Yoshii
Yoshii(@yoshii)
08/14/2021 10:54 pm

Feels good to be back to football…

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Yoshii
08/14/2021 10:55 pm

YES – very much so.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  Yoshii
08/14/2021 11:09 pm

I’m looking forward to the return of y’all. More missing faces here than I liked, lately.

Getting some enthusiasm going here makes my job easier.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/14/2021 10:52 pm

Defense standouts
Ward
Cobb
Pass rush in general

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/14/2021 10:51 pm

Offense standouts
McKinnon
Fortson
Starting offensive line

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 10:53 pm

I would add Gordon to that list. I thought he looked good.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 10:55 pm

Buechele certainly came on in the end. Gordon looked decent – nothing that excited me though.

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 10:59 pm

Yeah, Buechele had a rough start but seemed to settle in. I thought Gordon made quick decisions and good throws the whole time. Seeing a young backup QB make quick decisions is one of the keys to me.

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:00 pm

I thought Lance and Buechele (initially) held the ball too long.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:03 pm

Lance has some skills that the Niners need to work with cause he has the potential to be good. Buechele seemed to kick it in on the final drive and just play football.

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:07 pm

I agree, Lance showed potential, but I thought he’d come out looking better right from the start. He didn’t do anything to make Jimmy G sweat yet.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:11 pm

Reminds me of when the Ravens went with Lamar over Flacco. Niners would have to tailor make an offense to emphasize Lance’s strengths and cover his weaknesses.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:11 pm

That may be true, but remember that Jimmy served as an intern in NE before he became a starter. Lance is fresh out of the gate, so they aren’t comparable.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/14/2021 11:15 pm

Add to that mix – a coach that does not believe in Jimmy G.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:20 pm

That’s hard to argue, since on their SB run, JG’s passing was limited to the safe, easy stuff up to the SB. Of course, when he needed the experience behind him to have a shot on the deep pass he missed, it wasn’t there. Shanahan prevented that intentionally, and they paid the price.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/14/2021 11:21 pm

The play calling for Jimmy G and Lance in this game were worlds apart.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:27 pm

Perhaps true, but that doesn’t negate my point: By treating him as unable to be trusted as a passer, Shanny Lite prevented him from improving on that.

Same guy, different approaches.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/14/2021 11:31 pm

Oh – I agree with your point and I believe the different play calling tonight is another example of what Shanahan thinks about Jimmy G.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
08/14/2021 11:38 pm

The Henne and Mahomes playbook are quite similar even with the vast difference in the quality of their play. Reid has installed confidence in Henne who has been an average QB at best in his NFL career.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/15/2021 12:35 am

Different coaches, different approaches. One paid off, the other lost.

kcfreak725
kcfreak725(@kcfreak725)
08/14/2021 10:47 pm

Remember when Josh Rosen said that 9 other NFL teams made a mistake by not drafting him?

Good times

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  kcfreak725
08/14/2021 10:47 pm

He is not terrible but average is about his ceiling it seems.

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 10:49 pm

I didn’t see him do anything that made me think he’s even a competent backup.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 10:53 pm

He will hang in the league about ten more years

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 10:54 pm

If he doesn’t look better than he did tonight he’ll be out of the league after cutdowns this season.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 10:57 pm

10/15 for 93 yards

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:00 pm

Gordon 11/17 for 79 yards

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:03 pm

Yeah, I’ll give the win on that to the UDFA over the former first rounder. Again, Gordon was making quick decisions and Rosen was holding the ball.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 11:05 pm

It is what it is but I politely disagree.

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 11:09 pm

I can live with that. I’d have to see the game again to cement my opinion, and I doubt if I will.

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  kcfreak725
08/14/2021 10:48 pm

Yeah, I don’t think he got any teams wishing they had him tonight. Can you think of another QB that has fallen as fast and far since Ryan Leaf?

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
08/14/2021 10:46 pm

Holy sectional sofa, what a call back!

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
08/14/2021 10:46 pm

Ward has a quick first step – I thought he was offsides on both of his sacks.

Nasrani
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Reply to  Tony Sommer
08/14/2021 10:45 pm

And if you could address the envelope Attn: Nasrani, I’d be forever grateful.

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
08/14/2021 10:43 pm

My biggest disappointment is that Gray didn’t have any catches

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 10:45 pm

I believe he was targeted twice

Big Chief
Big Chief(@big-chief)
Reply to  EAFOX
08/14/2021 10:51 pm

He was. One was out of reach, and the other was the one that was a little behind him (but that he should have caught) that was picked. I was hoping for a lot more.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Big Chief
08/14/2021 10:53 pm

Would have been a tough catch – I will cut him a break on that one.

Nasrani
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08/14/2021 10:42 pm

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