Winners/Losers: Chiefs Vs Titans

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Ugh

Blech

Winners

Nick Bolton

Nick Bolton was one of the few bright spots on the defense, as he was consistently making plays. So good job Nick.

Willie Gay

Digging deep here, but he had a nice interception, so he makes the list. So good job Willie.

The Run Defense

The big fear going into the game was the Chiefs terrible run defense against the best runningback in the NFL who had a bunch of 100 yard games in a row. They held him below 100, and his average wasn’t too bad either. So a win there I guess?

Losers

The Pass Rush

I know I could put the whole defense, but I think the pass rush is the biggest problem. Game after game the opposing quarterback has all day to throw the ball. In the modern NFL the pass rush (and the pass blocking) is the most critical part of the game outside of the quarterback himself, yet despite two expensive players in Chris Jones and Frank Clark on the field, against yet another offensive line missing starters, they couldn’t do anything.

The Offensive Line

The line has mostly been better than last year, but this game was a disaster. In previous games they were legitimately able to punish teams who were selling out against the pass by creating massive running lanes, and were also able to give Mahomes some moderate amount of time. But they did neither of those on Sunday.

The Coaching

I’m not an X’s and O’s guy, but the coaching staff made numerous terrible and inexcusable decisions throughout the game.

First, when down 27-0 going into halftime, decided to kneel to run out the clock. I know it would have taken a miracle, but why would you needlessly throw away that lottery ticket? The risk of a turnover? Clearly the reward is worth the risk.

Secondly, in the 2nd half, when the offense stalled on the fringes of field goal range, they initially sent out the punt team, then came to their senses and sent out the field goal team, but the confusion caused them to burn a timeout that would have likely been very valuable had they managed to put together a comeback.

Thirdly, they kept the starters (except for Mahomes) in the game for a final garbage time drive that was completely meaningless. Reid clearly understands the injury risk, as he always rests starters at the end of the season when playoff spots are locked up, so why risk injuries to valuable players in an equally pointless part of the game?

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alsi
alsi(@alsi)
10/25/2021 5:07 pm

I’ve got nothing other than that I think that of all the problems this team apparently has, the defense feels like ground zero to whatever the problems are. Resolve whatever the defense issues are and I bet we’re a much happier group of fans with the changing results.

I guess I don’t follow the team discussions closely enough, but does Spags ever give us any clues as to what he’s doing wrong and what he needs to do to get things right? If he doesn’t know, then he just can’t be the right fit for DC. Giving up 29 ppg is his baby. If he can’t fix it, then we need someone as DC who can fix it. If we just don’t have the talent to be any better than this defensively, then what was he and Veach and Reid thinking when they put this defensive roster together? If only our offense could play our defense every week, we’d at least get out of that funk in a hurry.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
10/25/2021 5:01 pm

. . . and in this thread; go ahead and down-vote Beserker — everybody else is

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  zulu trader
10/25/2021 5:02 pm

Lol, shitbird.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 5:06 pm

go fuck yourself

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  zulu trader
10/25/2021 5:08 pm

You first.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 5:10 pm

too busy fuckin your mom

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  zulu trader
10/25/2021 5:11 pm

Dad? God damn, shoulda known.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 5:12 pm

I am your daddy, bitch

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  zulu trader
10/25/2021 5:15 pm

How did you get out of the basement? If that kiddie gate’s busted again when I get home, then it’s another night out in the shed for you.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 5:17 pm

you’re lame

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
Reply to  zulu trader
10/25/2021 5:17 pm

now I know why they down-vote you

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
10/25/2021 4:58 pm

I live in Vegas and we got raiders fever exploding after yesterday.

Winners; Every other AFC West team

fuck the raiders

MasterChief
MasterChief(@masterchief)
Reply to  zulu trader
10/25/2021 5:00 pm

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gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11(@gonzangkc11)
Reply to  zulu trader
10/25/2021 5:23 pm

This Wednesday, I’ll be in Vegas for biz for 6 hours

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  zulu trader
10/25/2021 6:31 pm

wow, I want some of what EVER it is that you’re on … must be some damn powerful drugs or somethin’

Armychiefj
Armychiefj(@armychiefj)
10/25/2021 4:10 pm

The defensive performance against Henry is just more proof that the run game doesn’t matter. Derrick Henry is a beast. An almost certain HoF player. He has been on fire for 3-4 years solid. And we stopped him better than anyone else has this year. And it made absolutely no difference at all to the final score. Stopping him got them in several 3rd and longs, but the defense did not capitalize. That’s what really matters.

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  Armychiefj
10/25/2021 4:17 pm

The run can make a difference in a closely contested game. But yesterday’s game was neither close nor contested.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 6:32 pm

this^^^

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
Reply to  Armychiefj
10/25/2021 4:59 pm

 but the defense did not capitalize. . . .

that’s an understatement

alsi
alsi(@alsi)
Reply to  Armychiefj
10/25/2021 5:09 pm

ironically, we didn’t stop Henry from throwing a TD pass

Budahmon
Budahmon(@budahmon)
10/25/2021 2:27 pm

Losers – All of them. You are what are record says you are.

Maw423
Maw423(@maw423)
10/25/2021 2:06 pm

Nick Bolton and dodging the bullet in regards to Mahomes’ health. The only bright spots in that game.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed(@severely-concussed)
10/25/2021 2:01 pm

Losers.
Everybody on the field when we allow a screen to go for a first down when it is 3rd and 10 or more.

It has happened several times to us this year.

MasterChief
MasterChief(@masterchief)
Reply to  Severely Concussed
10/25/2021 2:08 pm

To be fair, that’s been happening to us for 20 years.

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Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  MasterChief
10/25/2021 3:57 pm

It’s a good point, though. Why is that happening this year?

Because we “should” have intelligent Dlinemen. Usually when you see a screen defensed well, it’s because a Dlineman recognizes it and gets in the way instead of getting sucked in. Well, Danna has proven to be smart and disciplined. And Clark, despite his mediocre-ness, does still play smart. Wharton went to school at Rolla. Also we have a Dline coach who everybody says is smart and disciplined. So who’s screwing up?

rip58
rip58(@rip58lovealways)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 4:12 pm

Honest question? What has happened to all of the chiefs pre-snap motion on offense?

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  rip58
10/25/2021 4:20 pm

I hadn’t noticed. You think that’s why Mahomes was having a hard time finding an open receiver?

rip58
rip58(@rip58lovealways)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 4:24 pm

Maybe I’m wrong, just seems we have limited a lot of that. Maybe because of the new Oline .

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  rip58
10/25/2021 5:01 pm

Maybe they’re trying new plays they haven’t practiced much before.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 6:35 pm

so Coach, what do you think of your team’s execution?

“I’m all for it!”

Straybrit
Straybrit(@straybrit)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 6:23 pm

>It’s a good point, though. Why is that happening this year?


I’m going with your suggestion from the huddle comments – complacency. The deeper question is – who’s and about what.

I been thinking about it and I’ll offer the following as suggestions
i) The whole organization are far too complacent about Reid’s abilities to shut out his (admittedly devastating) family issues and focus on being a HC. The offense has looked, at best, vanilla all year.
ii) Similarly the assumption that Mahomes can magic us out of any situation. He’s got a baby on the way. If that doesn’t take some of his mental bandwidth he’s probably not human.
iii) Reid’s assumption that Spags can make a defense out of the players he has. This defense is reminding me of Sutton’s once Houston and Hali aged out. Try the same stuff that worked last year and wonder why it’s not working now.
iv) The coaching staff assuming that just because these are professionals and paid a shit load of money that the players will put their future health on the line every play. Nope – there were a bunch of commercial decisions being made out there. Looking at you Mattieu, not that I entirely blame you.
v) Similarly that players will even care. Some undoubtedly do, Kelce, Hill and Mahomes spring to mind. I’m not talking about the level of “care” that we would like to see as fans but maybe just enough to be involved with what’s happening on the pitch when you’re on the sidelines. Instead of jerking off because you don’t give a shit.

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  Straybrit
10/26/2021 12:46 pm

I agree with all that.

But what was really in the front of my mind, is a fear to make changes. You’re afraid to change something that’s succeeded before and take a risk that it’ll fail, even though you can see the status quo failing right in front of you.

Outwardly it looks like complacency, or like they sometimes say “paralysis by over-analysis,” but really it’s a fear of failure causing you to freeze up.

And then when you are finally forced to change, you’re doing it purely out of fear, and so you’re flailing around all disorganized and getting your ass kicked by the Titans.

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upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
10/25/2021 1:45 pm

LOSERS: Chiefs fans who hoped for (and expected) a far better showing than whatever that was yesterday …

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  upamtn
10/25/2021 4:00 pm

Well, yeah, but I did watch the game for free on a couch while eating food that somebody else bought and prepared… so I don’t feel THAT bad about my ROI.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 6:36 pm

yeah, coulda been worse 😉

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
10/25/2021 1:19 pm

Winner
DRob – He has somehow convinced the coaching staff that he deserved the most snaps out there as receiver.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/25/2021 1:47 pm

if he had even one catch he did better than Josh Gordon

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/25/2021 4:02 pm

If I remember correctly, you and I had a tuffle on draft day. I wanted a new WR. And I believe I remember that you wanted a new DE. Seems to me, BOTH of those things are the big problem now.

If only Veach read our comments, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Berserker
10/25/2021 5:24 pm

Either one helps us out at this point

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
10/25/2021 1:18 pm

Winner
Mahomes – Maybe not in the stats and maybe not in the victory column but does any person out there doubt the heart of our leader. You may be critical of his play – AND MOST IS NOT ON HIM – but he comes to play no matter the score.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/25/2021 1:51 pm

You may be critical of his play … but he comes to play no matter the score

the exact same thing could be said of Sorensen …. stop making excuses for atrocious play from Mahomes

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Budahmon
Budahmon(@budahmon)
Reply to  upamtn
10/25/2021 2:24 pm

Something we can agree on Ups.

rip58
rip58(@rip58lovealways)
Reply to  upamtn
10/25/2021 3:25 pm

Can we trade him ? What’s the cap hit?
500 million…🙄

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  rip58
10/25/2021 6:37 pm

meh … not sure many teams have enough cap room at this point of the season … I guess we’re stuck with the guy, at least for now 😉

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  upamtn
10/25/2021 4:04 pm

Difference is that Mahomes has the ability to play better.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
10/25/2021 1:14 pm

Winner
Kelce – The man has demonstrated his warrior mentality for us all.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
10/25/2021 12:55 pm

Is Willie Gay gonna be any good?

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  zulu trader
10/25/2021 1:15 pm

We need to keep him out there to find out. Definitely has the knack for the splash play and we can roll the dice with his mental issues and such.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater(@denverdonkeyhater)
10/25/2021 12:54 pm

Losers: us for Niemann getting a sack when he went unblocked. Im surprised he didnt find somebody to run into. He now as infinitely more sacks than Clark on the season. Hard to bench a guy like that.

Berserker
Berserker(@berserker)
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
10/25/2021 4:07 pm

Really, Niemann got credit for that play? I didn’t even think he was rushing on that play, I just figured Jones pushed the OL back so fast that it created a vacuum and sucked Niemann’s narrow ass into the hole.

3rdnlong
3rdnlong(@3rdnlong)
10/25/2021 12:26 pm

Losers – Hopes to return to the Super Bowl
Winners – I guess Chad Henne makes the list for getting some playing time. Though as Nova said below, perhaps this one should be on the “lesser losers” list.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan(@arrowfan)
10/25/2021 11:48 am

The coaches need a better game plan and need to do a better job preparing the players to play. The players need to be ridding the guys who are not giving 100%. The whole team coaches and players just look like they could care less about the final outcome. While the other team is giving 100% on every play. So much wrong and too much to fix at this point. Sure they should win 9 or 10 games but there is no way this team beats anyone in the playoffs.

Straybrit
Straybrit(@straybrit)
10/25/2021 11:43 am

Winner – me because I missed the game to do stuff. Watched a few of the clips last night – what a fustercluck that d-line is.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
Reply to  Straybrit
10/25/2021 12:54 pm

Me too

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
10/25/2021 10:49 am

And to your last point, What in God’s name was Vrabel doing leaving Henry in? That was worse than our starters in. At least we were TRYING to play for pride

Last edited 1 month ago by NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
10/25/2021 10:47 am

Wait. There were winners? I’m thinking a better category would be “Lesser Losers”

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