Winners/Losers: Chiefs Vs Browns

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The Kansas City Chiefs defeated the Cleveland Browns in a dramatic come from behind victory. Plenty of winners, plenty of losers as well.

The Browns performed well on Sunday, you can even argue that they should have won if it wasn’t for a couple fluke plays. That means we’ll have plenty of losers. But they didn’t, which means we also have winners.

Winners

Patrick Mahomes

Of course, Mahomes is a winner pretty much every week, but this win in particular was because of him. He carried this team on his back like a person carrying a heavy thing on their back (I’m not good at analogies).

Mahomes was 27-36 for 337 yards and 3 touchdowns (plus an additional rushing touchdown). That’d be a career day for most quarterbacks, but for Mahomes is just another day at the office.

Tyrann Mathieu’s Bank Account

The Honey Badger was taken off the covid list on Saturday, which seemed to indicate he would play. But he did not, and his bank account thanks Andy Reid for that.

Mathieu is seeking an extension that should have been done before the season began. For whatever reason they couldn’t come to terms, so now he’ll have to continue building leverage this season, and nothing builds leverage like the team sucking without you.

Mathieu’s presence was sorely missed as the Browns did whatever they wanted on offense for most of the game. He just earned more money standing around in a T-shirt watching a football game than most of us will make in a lifetime.

Tyreek Hill

Did you know Hill had 11 catches for 197 yards? That was an absolutely dominant game from him yet nobody is talking about it. Sure, 75 of those yards came on one play, but having 122 yards even after taking away your biggest play is exceptional.

Chris Jones

Like Hill, Jones had a nice statistical game with 2 sacks that nobody’s talking about. Maybe because the defense overall performed poorly, and outside of those sacks he didn’t make any splash plays. But sacks are the moneymaker and getting 2 in one game is very good.

Nick Bolton

With Willie Gay out due to injury, the Chiefs will need to rely on rookie Nick Bolton to step in and perform well until Gay gets back. His first game was a very solid outing. If he continues playing at this level he will hopefully replace the fan least-favorite Ben Niemann as starter when Willie Gay returns from injury. A linebacking corps of Bolton, Hitchens, and Gay would be the best we’ve had in a long time.

Losers

The Defense

They did finally wake up in the 4th quarter, with the Browns only gaining 24 yards on their final 3 drives, but until that point they might as well not have even shown up.

Of the first 6 drives for the Browns, 4 ended in touchdowns. But even that understates their dominance on offense, as those two failed drives weren’t the Chiefs defense stopping them. Instead they were stopped by the clock at the end of the 1st half and the Browns stopping themselves with a fumble to start the 3rd quarter.

Yes we were missing 3 starters, but that’s no excuse to completely lay an egg like that.

The Wide Receivers Not Named Hill

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined for 273 yards. Everybody else combined for 66 (64 if we’re including the -2 yard reception from Mike Remmers), of which 29 came from running back Clyde Edwards-Helaire. That’s obviously not good.

The Chiefs can obviously survive by leaning on Hill and Kelce, but it could cause problems down the road. What happens if one (or both) gets hurt? Somebody needs to step up and show they’re capable of starting at the NFL level.

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Chief-Blinders-On
09/14/2021 10:53 am

This was a good piece Tony, I think that the Chiefs will develop some other playmakers as the season rolls along. Against the Ravens and the Chargers the Chiefs are going to face tough defenses and those other playmakers will make plays for KC, I believe.

I don’t think the team should not rely on Kelce and Hill, just to prove they don’t need Kelce and Hill if they’re hurt or both hurt. Currently, they’re not both hurt and they had 273 yards of offense. That worry doesn’t currently exist.

I think the Chiefs can worry about the lack of production when as a team, the Chiefs have an actual lack of production. With CEH, I think it was the injury and they weren’t really pressing the issue. But I still think he’s going to have a huge year.

Mahomes likes going to his trusted weapons. If he doesn’t have to trust the other receivers all the time, that’s a good thing. But I feel like he’s the type of quarterback that would still get 300+ and multiple TD’s yards even if Kelce and Hill weren’t playing for whatever reason. I think the defense needs to step up along with the offense earlier in games because it would be nice to see the Chiefs play with a few leads after this game.

EAFOX
09/13/2021 4:02 pm

By is in the ER right now and it is my fault. I called Mecole on the phone and told him to drop by. We know what happened – I feel remorse.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  EAFOX
09/13/2021 4:28 pm

15 needs to build more faith in the other WR’s

Robinson should have been CUT!! 5 years with Chiefs — and he still does NOT know to work back to 15 (BUT Robinson is BFF with Mecole)

Chiefs need to win SB this year.
After win – cut both of their AZZEZ

EAFOX
09/13/2021 3:57 pm

Every football play has a winner and loser. Someone who made a play and someone who made a mistake. This is the NFL. No one is infallible – Kelce turning the wrong way is an example. You can live with the bad as long as there is more good to see from a player. Mahomes could have had 5 interceptions with 15 total yards yesterday but he would still be our quarterback as he is a proven commodity. What is important in the long run is the pattern we see. Hard to make conclusions on NEW players with only one game. Much easier to do when discussing OLD players as we have their tendencies already mapped out.

EAFOX
09/13/2021 3:49 pm

Look at me – I am going to overreact!!!!

upamtn
Reply to  EAFOX
09/13/2021 3:54 pm

seems to me you’re overreacting to the overreaction by some to the overreaction by others of whatever happened … or whatever

EAFOX
Reply to  upamtn
09/13/2021 3:58 pm

OK – From now on, I will underreact!!!!

John Doerty
John Doerty
Reply to  EAFOX
09/13/2021 7:37 pm

Seems like a bit of an overreaction, but you do you.

Nasrani
Nasrani
09/13/2021 3:47 pm

Seems like the rookies did as well as could be expected for the first game of the regular season (“at combat speed,” as they used to say in the military). The OL is always going to be tightly scrutinized, as for something like that, the whole needs to be greater than the sum of its parts. I think that, considering the young guys on the roster and the complete overhaul from a year ago, they performed with aplomb given the circumstances. Yes, there were issues, but they’re going to have those ironed out soon.

Bolton held up surprisingly well, and I heard his name several times – for good things. High hopes for him in the future, and hopefully we get to see both he and Willie Gay get some snaps together. I have a feeling that both will serve admirably in the years to come.

Thornhill is back. I would say that ACL is almost completely good to go, and getting the Landlord Badger back will only help the secondary in the long run. Thornhill and Mathieu will be a great safety tandem.

Cleveland came to play, and after last year’s divisional round, they had our number. I expected a gritty, tough game, and that’s just what we got.

Last edited 7 days ago by Nasrani
zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  Nasrani
09/13/2021 4:39 pm

how right you are

kcfreak725
09/13/2021 2:45 pm

Hats off to the Browns. They played a tough game, which is what I expected after last year’s divisional. The defense does concern me, but I do think getting Mathieu and, dare I say, Clark back will help alleviate some of the defensive concern, imo

upamtn
09/13/2021 2:27 pm

Winners: anyone who expected a close, hard fought game that could have gone either way

Losers: anyone who expected a blowout – the Chiefs dodged a bullet

Snafu
09/13/2021 1:53 pm

Exactly right about Mathieu.

larch
09/13/2021 1:32 pm

Winners: Chiefs special teams.
Butker 2/2FG, 3/3XP; McLaughlin 3/3XP.
TT 2 punts avg 45yds both inside the twenty; Gillan not so good.
Pringle 2 KO avg 22yds, Hardman 1 PR 7yds; Felton worse avg yds on KO & PR.
Chiefs drops or fuckups 0, Browns 1.
Question: who’s helmet was Hardman wearing for that Q4 punt return?

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
09/13/2021 12:37 pm

We need a running game. Clyde has the tools but I haven’t seen him live up to his hype yet. Not saying he’s a loser, but I expected more from him. Hopefully the OL will gel and we’ll see more. If not, bring in Gore to spice things up.

EAFOX
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
09/13/2021 12:41 pm

More Gore!!! CEH looks more like DAT plus than Hunt minus. We will see how he progresses as the season continues.

Big Chief
Big Chief
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
09/13/2021 12:55 pm

I think the Cleveland front seven is going to be one of the top 5 in the league this year, maybe 3rd behind just Tampa and Washington. That’s a tough test for a new line with their RB. So I would expect to see them gel as the year goes on. We should get a better measure against the Ravens.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  Big Chief
09/13/2021 1:23 pm

Week 1 overreactions. Gotta love em.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
09/13/2021 1:30 pm

After what happened in the SB? Disagree. Was hoping for a statement game, at home. What it was is business as usual, Patrick bailing this team out. Including the coaching staff.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  probablyamistake
09/13/2021 1:50 pm

I mean we have 3 rookies. This was their first game they had to play against real competition for 60 min.

If we would have started Remmers, Allegreti, reiter, wiznewski, wylie yesterday, we would have lost by 96 and Pat would have left on a stretcher.

Snafu
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
09/13/2021 1:53 pm

I need to watch it again, but it seemed like their pass protection was pretty decent. Patrick drops way back sometimes, making it harder on the tackles. They’ll get better.

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upamtn
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
09/13/2021 2:30 pm

overreaction? seriously? they can this >.< close to losing and you call it an overreaction?

maybe yours is typical justification …

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  upamtn
09/13/2021 2:34 pm

I think DDH is right though. One game doesn’t tell you everything you need to know for the whole season.

Does Cleveland have a badass front 7?
-or-
Does KC have a newbie line who were playing in their very first game together, and most of whom were playing their very first NFL game.

We don’t know the answers to these until we see a greater sampling.

upamtn
Reply to  MasterChief
09/13/2021 2:37 pm

One game doesn’t tell you everything you need to know for the whole season

true, yet MORE than a zillion fans have been “assuming” this that or the other since before the start of training camp … as per usual

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  upamtn
09/13/2021 2:43 pm

Well, you and I both know that’s mostly wishful thinking.

This is what I have always seen:
A guy doesn’t make a play and suddenly he’s worthless and we should drop him. Then the same guy makes a play and we should keep him.

I call it the “which way is the wind blowing today” analysis. Or the “only the last thing you did matters” analysis. Both ignore the big picture and are usually wrong.

upamtn
Reply to  MasterChief
09/13/2021 3:36 pm

yup

Big Chief
Big Chief
Reply to  MasterChief
09/13/2021 2:54 pm

I don’t get why my comment was an overreaction. I think a lot of people expected CLE to have a solid front 7 this year. They were good last year, most of their issues have been with their DBs. I said we’d get a better measure after the Ravens game.

I will say I forgot to include the Rams in my D line assessment, so let me put them back in at #3. My expectation is still that CLE D line may be top 5, but only time will tell. A lot depends on whether Clowney stays healthy this year.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Big Chief
09/13/2021 3:00 pm

I’m not sure it was you alone, seemed more like a generalized reaction, and your comment was just the seed crystal. Of course, DDH may disagree with that, but I don’t see anything there to call it off the deep end. No problems there, except for one little thing…

*Puts on editor hat*

It’s just that “gel” is always a noun, while “jell” is a verb. You don’t take fruit juice, sugar, and pectin to get it all to come together into a gelly, after all. You want it to jell into your jelly. Oy, the occupational hazards of this job. 😉

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
09/13/2021 3:50 pm

Gel may be used as a noun or a verb, when used as a verb gel means to form something into a gel. … Jell is a verb that means to become a consistency similar to jelly

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
09/13/2021 4:09 pm

Any time you want to take over as the full-time editor, just let me know. I suppose you could say that a gelatin gels, too, but back when word meanings were more specific, nobody wrote about how you want something to gel, except for maybe in chemistry books. Every time it was used in terms of bringing things together into a unified whole, it was wanting things to jell.

If old expressions must change because spelling has been de-emphasized so much that everyone does is wrong, then why do we need to distinguish between they’re, their, and there? Pick one, and let confusion reign supreme, right? I’m sure such distinctions no longer matter. All homophones now have overlapping meanings, hooray. 😛

*Takes off the editor’s hat*

Just tweaking you a bit, but using dictionary definitions to justify misuse of words is one of those special nickles, to me. 😉

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Big Chief
09/13/2021 3:20 pm

I wasn’t really aiming my comment at you as much as people in general who make definitive assertions after seeing one game, or even sometimes one play.

I don’t remember you being like that.

I think you make great points and I definitely respect what you have to say, Big Chief.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Big Chief
09/13/2021 3:27 pm

Also, sorry. I didn’t really mean to jump on your comment to complain about some people.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  Big Chief
09/13/2021 4:49 pm

Wasnt saying you were overacting. I was actually agreeing with you. People seem to be really down on this oline after one game.

Personally I wasnt expecting them to come out and be the 2003 line day 1. They got thrown in to the fire week 1. I care more about how they look in the playoffs.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  upamtn
09/13/2021 7:31 pm

Oh. The season is most definitely over already. Worst team ever to grace a football field.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Big Chief
09/13/2021 1:26 pm

Agree. The OLine will take some time to gel. Probably the same with the DLine because of what they’re doing with Jones. IMO a defense shouldn’t come undone because a couple of pieces are missing, yet that’s how the season started.

upamtn
Reply to  probablyamistake
09/13/2021 2:31 pm

couldn’t stop the run, and that’s not a good thing

Chief-Blinders-On
09/13/2021 12:22 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  Chief-Blinders-On
09/13/2021 12:24 pm
EAFOX
09/13/2021 12:19 pm

Loser – the person who decided not to sign Melvin Ingram.

EAFOX
09/13/2021 12:18 pm

Loser – The person who made the decision to cut Taco and Tim Ward in favor of keeping Okafor.

EAFOX
09/13/2021 12:14 pm

Add Andy to the winners – he showed no sign of panic when half of AG was bailing on him and the team.

John Doerty
John Doerty
09/13/2021 12:07 pm

I’ll have to rewatch the game, but live it seemed like both of the tackles might deserve to be on the negative side of this ledger. Gotta find a way to speed up those kick-slides or they are going to need help on deeper drops. The run game was atrocious as well. It’s never good when you are wishing you still had the dude on the other team…..

Defense was missing some key pieces so I don’t want to read too much into things. Not much pressure from anyone other than Chris..don’t love that.

Still, good to get a win. Plenty of flaws to work on no doubt.

EAFOX
Reply to  John Doerty
09/13/2021 12:16 pm

The O line did much better in the second half. Five new starters – might take awhile for them to settle in. I would not put them on the negative side but they were hanging out on the wrong side of zero.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  EAFOX
09/13/2021 12:24 pm

I mean they were also going against Garret and a healthy clowney

upamtn
Reply to  John Doerty
09/13/2021 2:34 pm

I will NEVER wish for the Chiefs to have that specific RB on the KC roster again … he’s a horrible human and, IMO, has no business earning a penny in the NFL

EAFOX
Reply to  upamtn
09/13/2021 3:45 pm

There are many who have done much more

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  EAFOX
09/13/2021 4:53 pm

But was it on video?

Big Chief
Big Chief
09/13/2021 10:58 am

I’m still convinced the Chiefs are signing Mitch Schwartz as soon as he’s healthy enough. I think that may be part of the reason they haven’t signed Mathieu yet. Unless Mathieu is asking for QB money, which I don’t believe he would, I can’t see them letting him go, I think it’s just a matter of time.

Knightwolfbr
09/13/2021 10:14 am

Still shaking my head about Mecole running out of bounds before the 1st down marker.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Knightwolfbr
09/13/2021 11:15 am

It’s more of a concern than dropping a pass, running a route incorrectly or something like that. Game awareness is important.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  probablyamistake
09/13/2021 12:26 pm

Mecole and Drob should probably be shipped out on the same train. They just play stupid.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
09/13/2021 12:28 pm

I stand by it: by the end of the year Pringle will be our WR2.

EAFOX
Reply to  Nasrani
09/13/2021 12:34 pm

Hardman leads in catches over DRob and Pringle.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  EAFOX
09/13/2021 12:43 pm

For now, sure. But if he keeps dropping stuff and/or running out of bounds for no reason, I think Pringle is going to see more reps.

Straybrit
Straybrit
Reply to  Nasrani
09/13/2021 1:48 pm

I find Hardman incredibly frustrating. He’s clearly got all the physical tools and the work ethic but somehow he just doesn’t seem to get the wider aspects of playing at this level. From the limited views I got of Pringle in the preseason he’s not as physically talented but he uses what he has far better.

Figuring out which is the ‘better package’ I leave to people far more informed than I.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Straybrit
09/13/2021 2:32 pm

Agreed. I trust Andy Reid. If he puts Hardman at #2, it’s because he thinks he can do it better than the others.

KCChef
KCChef
Reply to  EAFOX
09/13/2021 11:43 pm

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