Thursday O/T: The strange results of recent Packers-Chiefs games

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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 9:04 pm

Regarding the Packers and Chiefs.

Matt Moore, Alex Smith, and Damon Huard lost.

Tyrone
04/08/2021 8:42 pm

The Rams used 7 first round picks and shit ton of salary cap on Jared Goff, Brandin Cooks, Jalen Ramsey, and Matt Stafford.

Tyrone
Reply to  Tyrone
04/08/2021 8:44 pm

They paid Goff a total of $83 million over 5 years. His original 4 year rookie contract value was 30 million, so if they just let him play out his rookie deal and then walk they could have saved $53 million and 1 year of Goff shitness.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Tyrone
04/08/2021 8:45 pm

They’ve got a shot this year, but man they’ve got a lot tied up in just a few players.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 8:25 pm

I always feel tortured when I do a mock draft that turns out this perfect

31. Samuel Cosmi OT

63. Creed Humphrey IOL

94. Cameron McGrone LB

136. Kenny Yeboah TE

144. Talanoa Hufanga S

175. Elerson Smith EDGE

181. Josh Imatorbhebhe WR

207. Shakur Brown CB

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 8:30 pm

Sign me up for that. If we get Imatorbhebhe, I hope we get another WR via trade or waiver wire. I think he’s got huge upside, but I think we need a WR that can produce this year.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 8:46 pm

Physical studs like Imatorbhebhe rarely fall to that late in the draft.

Bring in Larry Fitz to teach him the ropes, and we should have a stud.

After typing his name, he better have a nickname that is easier to spell.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 8:48 pm

LOL, I was already trying to figure a way to shorten it. I’ll go with Torb. If we draft him, we can do another one.

There are SO MANY of the small & fast WRs in this draft. And we really need one that’s more physical and can handle CBs that hit them at the line. That’s one reason why I’d be ok with trading for Anthony Miller. I think he’d be a solid contributor from day one and whoever we draft wouldn’t be under so much pressure.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 8:52 pm

There you go trading for a veteran that needs a new contract.

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Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 8:57 pm

Lol. It wouldn’t be a big contract for Miller. AND it would be ok if Miller walked after the season. By 2022 our draft pick from this year should be up and running.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 7:36 pm

seems to me

that Smith-Schuster and Tyreek Hill have the same objective

Another season with Roethlisberger drove Smith-Schuster to come back to Pittsburgh, instead of playing with arguably the game’s best quarterback in Patrick Mahomes for multiple seasons. Smith-Schuster does have some incentive here, playing on a one-year contract worth up to $8 million that he can parlay into a bigger deal when he hits the open market again in 2022. 

Tyreek Hill declined to restructure his contract for the K.C. Chiefs.But that still does not explain why Hill is refusing this. He would still make the same amount of cash in the next two years, so it would simply be hurting the Chiefs less in terms of cap space. For Hill this is not just about the next two years, however. He is planning the rest of his career. After the 2022 season, he will be a 29-year-old free agent looking to sign another big contract. It is likely that Hill wants to stay in K.C., and I surmise that this standoff is Hill (and more specifically his agent) looking to encourage the Chiefs to work on an extension.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 7:51 pm

I’m kind of thinking Tyreek just wanted to wait for a much bigger salary cap to kick in for next year before signing what might be his last big extension.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 7:52 pm

as does JuJu

slackator
slackator
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 8:12 pm

I dont think JuJu wants to be a 4th option in a contract year with an exploding cap upcoming. Coming to KC for 1 year would have hurt him financially in the future. Probably feels he has his whole career to get a ring but only 1 or 2 chances for the megadeal he feels hes worth

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 8:29 pm

I don’t want to insult Tyreek, but he isn’t the most eloquent speaker on the team. A reporter caught up to him and asked him a question in a casual interview. I don’t want to read too much into Reek’s unprepared answers.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 7:19 pm
Tyrone
04/08/2021 7:17 pm

Let’s hope the draft is better than this one.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Tyrone
04/08/2021 7:21 pm

that was pitifull

Tyrone
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 8:31 pm

What was it like being a fan in the 70s and 80s?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Tyrone
04/08/2021 8:48 pm

Probably a lot cheaper

slackator
slackator
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/08/2021 8:15 pm

There has to be a story here, how does this even happen?

slackator
slackator
Reply to  Tyrone
04/08/2021 8:13 pm

WTF and I dont mean Washington?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 7:07 pm

I have seen people clamor for Veach to trade for LT Orlando Brown Jr. of the Ravens.

Realistically it would take 2 first round picks and a third for the Ravens to consider giving him to us. Then we would have to sign him to a contract for over $20 million per season.

I would rather use that draft capitol to move up and get one of the big boys in the top 10. We would at least have him on a rookie contract. And we could use the $20 million on players to fill in the other holes we won’t be able to fill in the draft.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 7:09 pm

agree

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 7:10 pm

Agreed. As good as Brown is, we’d have to massively overpay the Ravens (just because of who we are). And after giving up loads of draft capital, we’d then have yet another high dollar contract to deal with. Someone had asked a week or two about trading up if Darrisaw dropped a bit, maybe we could trade up for him. Initially I was against it, but I’m coming around to that idea. (I think it’s unlikely that Darrisaw makes it out of the top 12-14 though.)

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 7:13 pm

I think that was me. I don’t hate the idea of trading up now that we have a solidly deep team.

I really hate trading picks for veterans that promptly need a new expensive contract.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 7:24 pm

I thought it was you, but I wasn’t sure.

I was ok trading our first for Frank Clark in 2019, because we were clearly working to establish a new mentality on our defense. And we were trading Ford and cutting Houston – we needed a veteran presence. But otherwise, I tend to agree that trading picks for veterans can get very expensive.

slackator
slackator
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 8:18 pm

I dont think we could get into the top 10 for that, because I dont think a team is going to trade a top 10 pick for 31 and likely 25+ next year. The value just isnt there for a team needing a game changer themselves. Id rather do that as well but I feel like Brown for that package is the far more likely trade seeing as how Baltimore would be picking up more picks rather than just falling back for our benefit

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  slackator
04/08/2021 8:35 pm

Our 31 pick is worth 600. And the 25th pick is worth 720.

The 10th pick is worth 1300.

I added a third because one first is a future pick.

It all depends on how close the trade value charts are to reality.

Tyrone
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 8:53 pm

The Mahomes trade was pretty close to this.

Pick 10 from Buffalo for pick 27 + 3rd + future first (ended up being 22).

Surely teams would be expecting the Chiefs first in 2022 to be in the 28-32 range, whereas in the Mahomes trade they would have been expecting the Chiefs 2018 first to be in the 22-30 range. Plus 27 to 31 is a bit of a jump.

So maybe our 2021 first and third and 2022 first would only get up to 12-15

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Tyrone
04/08/2021 8:56 pm

If Darrisaw was there at 12, would you make that trade?

I would in a heartbeat. It helps us, and keeps him away from the Chargers at 13.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 9:01 pm

I’ll weigh in here with my opinion. It would definitely be tempting. But what I don’t know is, could Veach have his eye on a couple OT that we think are in the 2nd/3rd round range, but that he really likes? If so, then no need to trade up for Darrisaw.

And we’d be trading three draft picks for one player. That gets expensive (in terms of draft capital) when we’re trying to build our roster with young cheap talent.

Then again, protecting Mahomes is job #1.

Man, tough decision.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 9:08 pm

Having a LT on a rookie deal saves a lot of money to help offset the cost for team building.

ForeverRanger91
04/08/2021 6:55 pm

I gotta think that it is destiny for Terrace Marshall to be a Chief.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
04/08/2021 6:58 pm

I really like him. I know I’ve said that like five times in other threads…..but man, he looks like a great fit. I’d be 100% on board…..as long as Veach is sure he can get a good LT in the second round.

ForeverRanger91
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 7:00 pm

I say this because of who Terrace is related to.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
04/08/2021 7:02 pm

Gotcha, but it’s a new name to me, hasn’t stuck yet.

ForeverRanger91
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/08/2021 7:04 pm

I also firmly believe that no matter where he lands he is wearing his great-uncle’s number.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
04/08/2021 7:03 pm

Yeah, I understand. But even aside from sentimental reasons, it works too.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 7:00 pm

trading up in the 2nd is cheaper than the 1st

so many ways to skin this cat

sorry Cat fans

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 7:02 pm

For sure. I can only imagine what Veach is scheming at the moment.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 7:06 pm

I worked a mock yesterday

Traded up to the 4th pick with the Jets?

31 and 1st and 3rd next year

traded back to 7 or 8

I accumulated at the end

for next years 1st sorta

2 2022 2nds. 4 3rds, and 2 4th’s

other teams picks which assuredly would be higher than ours 🙂

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 7:11 pm

LOL, that sounds pretty complicated! If one trade doesn’t happen, then we’d be screwed.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 7:16 pm

I think there was a football movie called “Draft Day”

We did get Slater the Northwestern Tackle

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 7:07 pm

I love me some cats, but the expression doesn’t bother me a bit, lol. And I took that view well before I came across reason to believe that it derives from something like “It don’t matter if you start at the breastbone or the bung, any way you get the skin off a mountain lion’s a good way”, meaning the important thing is that it’s the corpse, instead of the opposite. In the flintlock era, that wasn’t necessarily a given.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/08/2021 7:08 pm

The cougar probably has similar stories to tell their kittens

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 7:24 pm

Perhaps, but the respective success rates have gone in opposite directions since then, so it would come with a cautionary tale, too.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/08/2021 7:27 pm

I wonder if Raccoons could afford Anti tank weapons?

It sure would help them on crossing highways

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 7:34 pm

Wouldn’t help, they’d be compelled to submerge them in water before using them.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/08/2021 7:53 pm

the have the fingers to fire em

but yep they would wash em first

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 7:58 pm

Damn Raccoons would never succumb to Covid

They wear masks and wash their hands endlessly

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BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
04/08/2021 6:58 pm

Can’t speak to that, I have no frame of reference, but I do have a lingering hockey question for you, conceived during out last match-up. You’ve no doubt gotten an eyeful of the Wild’s Karzperov, what’s your take on the kid?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:27 pm

Keller struggled enough

We have a tremendous bullpen

USE IT

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 9:56 pm

Keller is vastly overrated by KC media.

ForeverRanger91
04/08/2021 6:10 pm

So I got this in the mail

The one like? The man himself.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
04/08/2021 6:40 pm
probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 7:06 pm
gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 6:04 pm

Get it!!!

pompano
Reply to  gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 7:03 pm

He responded, cool back and forth.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 7:13 pm

She’s probably the coolest little girl out there right now!

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 5:58 pm

:(Former NFL pro killed SC doctor, family before killing himself, say police

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:08 pm

11. Brady Christensen (BYU) | 6’6/300
Comp: Eric Fisher
Christensen was one of the nation’s best tackles last season, leading a top-10 national offensive line that allowed QB Zach Wilson to rarely see pressure despite constantly hunting for deep shots. Christensen posted the best PFF grade of any tackle in the nation (96.0) and became BYU’s first consensus first-team All-American since Dennis Pitta in 2019. 

Over his three-year starting career, on a tick over 1,400 pass-pro snaps, Christensen allowed only three sacks and two hurries, showing good technical acumen, with strong hands and soft feet working in concert. Christensen’s short arms lead to issues against long ends, and he gives away leverage when he starts playing high. He’s also an older prospect, having served a two-year mission before his freshman season. But Christensen offers a potential early NFL starter at a sticker-price discount.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:17 pm

pretty unbelievable

Eric Fisher went Number one overall and this guy is the 11th best OT prospect?

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:36 pm

I like Christensen, but he really hasn’t gone up against really good rushers every week. Then again, I guess Fisher hadn’t really either. Thank goodness there are lots of good OTs this year.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 6:40 pm

very few Left Tackles though

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:43 pm

I think that depends on the scout and the draft analyst that you read. And they never seem to agree.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 6:48 pm

Measurements mean something

Left Tackles have longer arms

almost all of these guys are 33″ or a little less

Fisher was 34.5

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:51 pm

How Coaches Value Arm LengthFormer San Francisco 49ers general manager Trent Baalke had a thing for football players with long arms and felt it was an important but rare trait. He was of the opinion that, ideally, players on the D-line should have an arm length of 34 inches or more. Baalke used Aldon Smith as a reference, commenting on how great of a leverage player he was because you couldn’t get to him and that his almost 36-inch arm length greatly contributed to this.

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/15-NFL-Players-With-the-Longest-Arms

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:53 pm
  1. Jon Harris: 38.50 inches
  2. Clifton Geathers: 37.75 inches
  3. Alex Barron: 37.75 inches
  4. Antonio Anderson: 37.75 inches
  5. D. J. Fluker: 36.75 inches
  6. Ryan Clady: 36.75 inches
  7. Tra Thomas: 36.50 inches
  8. Tyron Smith: 36.38 inches
  9. Orlando Pace: 36.25 inches
  10. Trevor Pryce: 36.25 inches
  11. Simeon Rice: 36.25 inches
  12. Lincoln Kennedy: 36.13 inches
  13. Calvin Johnson: 36.00 inches
  14. Russell Okung: 36.00 inches
  15. Roman Oben: 36.00 inches
Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:52 pm

Yeah, that’s traditionally how it works. I’m not necessarily convinced it’ll always be that way though, especially since so many RTs now have to be as good as the LTs.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 6:54 pm

agree

but the blind side is also the blind side

thus a lessor player that the QB can see is much easier to adjust too

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:55 pm

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/08/2021 6:57 pm

Geoff was a Guard for a reason 🙂

Nice!!!

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:29 pm

I found this one interesting

4. Teven Jenkins (Oklahoma State) | 6’7/320
Comp: Joe Thuney
In contrast to Oklahoma State’s finesse reputation on offense, Jenkins brought violence and bad intentions to the Pokes’ attack every game over his three-plus-year starting career. A brawling barroom bouncer that seeks to drop opponents, Jenkins gave up no sacks and only two hits over the last two years.
Jenkins sets up in pass-pro at desired depth with a wide, powerful base. He has dynamite in his hands, but Jenkins has the commendable discipline to not throw until his man breaches the edges of his reach. You don’t see him get out over his skis to land a blow, and when he connects, it’s generally a wind-stealer into the chest that creates distance and stalls or outright kills the enemy’s momentum.

Is Jenkins a LG or is Thuney a LT?

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:35 pm

Jenkins was fun to watch. There are clips of him running his defender into the sidelines.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 6:37 pm

I did like the write-up

I would love him at RT 🙂

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:38 pm

It’s a given that Jenkins will provide his team with one of the class’ best run-blockers (elite 93.6 PFF run-block grade last year). He’s a load moving forward, always coming with bad intentions. Jenkins planted Big 12 edge rushers in the dirt with the crazed dedication of your obsessive, green-thumbed aunt. Jenkins uses a forklift approach, torque and leverage, getting low, exploding through the hips at contact.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:39 pm

I’m pretty certain Niang is RT….but then again, what the heck do I know? Every review that I’ve read on Jenkins talks about him playing with a mean streak. I really hope our OL has more of that mentality. It was pretty amazing that we struggled in the red zone with Mahomes, Tyreek and Kelce. The fact that our OL could rarely get any push up front often made it easier for defenses to play the pass. If our OL can consistently run block, then Mahomes will automatically have more time to pass.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 6:42 pm

I am leaning toward Making the LG to RT stout as shit

and helping the LT with TE’s, RB’s and movement

If we can’t get what we need we can surely cover for one lineman on the edge

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:45 pm

Yeah I thought we might try that in the Super Bowl but we didn’t.. no we need a stud at left tackle..

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/08/2021 6:47 pm

The Super Bowl was still kind of a worst-case scenario though. We lose Fisher in the closing minutes of the AFC Championship game. And Tampa just happens to have one of the best fronts in the NFL. Other than that game, Mahomes & Co had still won, what – like 26 out of 27 or something like that?

I totally agree that we need a stud at LT. But that’s easier said than done. Hopefully we find him this year.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 7:03 pm

I wonder where Willie Roaf Jr. is

since Joe Horn’s kid is in this draft 🙂

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 7:10 pm

And Patrick Surtain’s kid as well.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:45 pm

The fact that Veach didn’t panic after missing out on Trent Williams tells me that he’s not worried. There are other legit veterans LTs out there and Veach could sign one of them tomorrow if he wanted. Since he hasn’t, it tells me he has a plan and that he and Reid aren’t worried.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  Mattl
04/08/2021 6:43 pm

Yes, hoping Niang is the answer at RT.
Really pulling for him this year, sounds like he’s ready to pay ball this year… if not we’re screwed

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 5:52 pm

Do Chiefs trade UP to grab one of these Left Tackles??

  • Penei Sewell Oregon – Top 10 pick, might drop with all QB’s slatted to be drafted
  • Rashawn Slater, Northwestern – same as above
  • Christian Darrisaw,  Virginia Tech – Top 20 pick
slackator
slackator
Reply to  gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 5:55 pm

Not Sewell because the Chiefs dont have the arsenal to do it. Atlanta isnt trading the 4 for 31 and considering we’ll be drafting 25+ for the foreseeable future no amount of 1st rounders from us would make it work

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 5:51 pm

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 5:51 pm

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 5:50 pm

For the peeps that don’t know who Joe Horn is – Chiefs draft him in 1996 in 5th round. Was with Chiefs 1996-1999.  He was a BALLER when he went to New Orleans Saints in 2000. Chiefs QB 1995-1998 = Rich Gannon. Elvis Grbac was QB in 1999 (BARF)!!

joe horn son – NFL Draft

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jaycee-horn/3200484f-5212-3595-eabf-6f6f3cdddc40

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gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 5:49 pm

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 5:49 pm
Tyrone
Reply to  gonzangkc11
04/08/2021 7:15 pm

I wish we would have just offered him more money.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 5:44 pm

PATRICK MAHOMES
QB, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS
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Patrick Mahomes was seen without a walking boot at Augusta National Golf Club.Mahomes underwent surgery for turf toe in February and was expected to be recovering for three months. It’s a terrific sign that he’s already shed his walking boot two months into that timeline. Although the injury was fairly significant and proved to play a role in his limited mobility in the team’s Super Bowl loss, Mahomes is still projected to be at 100% for training camp.
SOURCE: James Palmer on Twitter
Apr 8, 2021, 9:59 AM ET

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 5:56 pm

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slackator
slackator
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/08/2021 6:01 pm

The man dislocated his knee cap in the 1st half and was running and jumping on it at halftime. Knock on the biggest piece of wood in the world but he might be a real life mutant with wolverines healing power

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