Thursday Night Open Thread : Good Players on Bad Teams

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Welcome to AG’s nightly Open Thread, drop in and join a conversation, or start one yourself.

Guys who had the misfortune to play on some really stinky Chiefs teams.

Tonight: Ed Podolak

Most of his career was spent with the mid 70’s Chiefs, so while he played on a couple of great teams, he still qualifies. Against Miami, Podolak had a playoff-record 350 total yards: 85 rushing, 110 receiving, and 155 on returns.

Ed Podolak Runs Wild Against Dolphins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHjL8jy7-Kc&ab_channel=NFLFilms

Where are they now? video

https://www.chiefs.com/video/where-are-they-now-ed-podolak-9552657

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:28 pm

this all the Constitution says on the 2nd amendment

Second AmendmentA well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

there is no wiggle room and strict constitutionalist wiggle all over this, but not other rights? Why

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:32 pm

The other rights enumerated there are personal rights, so why isn’t the 2nd A a personal right? There’s no wiggle room – or is there, when it serves your intent?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/23/2022 8:44 pm

interesting

we have the right to anything not actually prohibited by the constitution? or its amendments?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:45 pm

or is that the other way around?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 9:28 pm

“Enumerated” doesn’t mean they weren’t mentioned. In point of fact, the Constitution sets out the authority of the gov’t to impose laws and regulations. The BoR sets out rights that the gov’t may not infringe on – though they’ve gotten quite shaky, in recent decades. That’s why I’ll vehemently resist further erosion of them, something you seem quite eager to do, at least when it comes to the 2nd.

That said, none of your responses really address any of the points I’ve brought up, so I believe I’ll let it drop. I’ve heard your side, it’s been a set of talking points that gun-grabbers have been pushing for decades. Since presenting counter-arguments isn’t getting any consideration, what’s the point? You’re quoting reporters, but seem uninterested in what lawyers who disagree are saying. I’ve engaged you on your points, but mine ain’t reaching.

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/23/2022 9:38 pm

lawyers have made arguments on both sides.
also the reasoning of “historical laws” seems shakey (NY’s gun laws go back to the 1800s, not historical enough) and will open the door to challenge many civil liberties we now take for granted.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
06/23/2022 10:11 pm

“also the reasoning of “historical laws” seems shakey (NY’s gun laws go back to the 1800s, not historical enough) and will open the door to challenge many civil liberties we now take for granted.”

That was Ilya Somin’s point about Justice Breyer’s dissent, see below.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:36 pm

In his dissent to today’s Supreme Court Second Amendment ruling in New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen, Justice Stephen Breyer reiterates his longstanding argument that gun regulations deserve special deference from courts because guns endanger human life. He argues that the Court’s decisions is wrong because it “severely burdens” States’ efforts to “address some of the dangers of gun violence…. by passing laws that limit, in various ways, who may purchase, carry, or use firearms of different kinds.” It isn’t just that Breyer believes courts must take these “dangers” into account. He contends they justify near-total judicial deference in gun rights cases – deference far-reaching enough to uphold the New York law at issue in this case, which presumptively bans carrying of guns outside the home by nearly all law-abiding citizens, thereby effectively gutting the “bear” part of the right to “keep and bear arms.”

That’s from a lawyer, and one personally familiar with Russia’s attitude toward rights. Do you know better than him?

https://reason.com/volokh/2022/06/23/guns-and-judicial-review-of-constitutional-rights-that-cost-lives/

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:55 pm

The Supreme Court is acting very slowly?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:59 pm

I doubt dropping their decision on a Friday news dump is going to be overlooked

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:03 pm

so

But the new conservative supermajority has changed everything for America, and on Thursday Thomas wrote the 6-3 decision broadening prior interpretations of the Second Amendment right “to keep and bear arms.”
Thomas wrote that the definition of “bear naturally encompasses public carry. Most gun owners do not wear a holstered pistol at their hip in their bedroom or while sitting at the dinner table. Although individuals often ‘keep’ firearms in their home, at the ready for self-defense, most do not ‘bear’ them in the home beyond moments of actual confrontation.”
This is the first time the justices declared a right to carry a weapon outside the home and, significantly for future cases, transformed the legal framework that most lower courts had adopted when reviewing gun laws.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/new-york-gun-law-supreme-court-decision/index.html

You have the right to carry a firearm in public, but you might be forced to carry a Child in public?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:12 pm

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

the well regulated militia is now not even mentioned?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:15 pm

so every citizen on the street is now a well regulated militia? Why do we need a police force?

think of the money we could save abolishing police forces, hell the US military,,,

we have a well armed militia to protect us according to the Supreme Court

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:19 pm

seems odd those same Supreme Court Justices needed special protection from all those well meaning well regulated militia members?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:30 pm

Interesting opinion. So, you think that the SCOTUS should have upheld NY’s almost complete ban on carrying pistols in public? Because if NY can do that, every state can do it, effectively outlawing carrying a pistol for protection.

That’s the ruling you prefer, confirming a Draconian ban on self-defense, in order to…not affect the tiny minority of those with access to pistols, and a desire to use them with criminal intent? If so, that’s very interesting, but remember, that hammer would fall hardest on the poorest, especially minorities. Is that the plan you favor?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/23/2022 8:33 pm

interesting. what does State mean in the actual text of the amendment?

States can decide? or the federalist State?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:35 pm

The Federalist State has an Army, so I would assume this allows the states to create well regulated militia’s, aka Missouri National Guard

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:37 pm

The National Guard is a gov’t entity, not a militia.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/23/2022 8:39 pm

I don’t think that is correct

else the Governor of the state could not call on them for local emergencies

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:40 pm

well actually that is true and the 2nd amendment does not talk about self created militias and an individual is not a militia

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:43 pm

At the time, the militia was armed, ordinary citizens. Where does that transform to mean that only registered groups have 2nd A rights?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/23/2022 8:48 pm

lets see how the Court justifies prohibiting abortions

talking out of both ends

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 9:18 pm

The Alito leak wasn’t about the SCOTUS prohibiting abortions, though. They lack that authority, since that’s the province of the Legislative side.

I don’t mean this insultingly, but it is clear to me that you’re using arguments that have been put forth by reporters, pundits, and activists, not lawyers. The former have an interest in garnering support for their activism, the latter actually discuss the legal repercussions of such decisions. That’s why for law, I look to lawyers, just as I look to science people for science news.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/23/2022 9:21 pm

Exactly, If your state bans abortions, dont yell at SCOTUS, vote out the pricks in your state legislature. the anger at SCOTUS on that one is misplaced. Even people that really like the results of Roe will still admit that legally its one of the shakier SCOTUS rulings ever and doesnt really pass muster constitutionally.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  WaywerdSon
06/23/2022 9:30 pm

True, to an extent, but I’d argue that Qualified Immunity’s actually worse on both counts.

pompano
Reply to  WaywerdSon
06/23/2022 9:43 pm

and Heller ignored a century of precedent (a majority justice has since said in retrospect it was a badly thought out decision)

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
06/23/2022 10:16 pm

While there is disagreement on the topic of gnus, there doesn’t seem to be anyone else speaking in defense of the poor and minorities’ rights under the BoR.

That’s an interesting omission, isn’t it? The wealthy will have better privileges, while the rest lose out. How that makes things better, I don’t know, but keeping the plebs down is a tradition stretching back millennia.

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/23/2022 10:23 pm

well it was written by white, mostly wealthy, men (and subsequently interpetted by same)

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
06/23/2022 10:38 pm

So does that mean the BoR has been invalid this whole time, because of your assertion? But my comment was limited to this forum, so with that in mind, I’ll cite a different lawyer:

The Court also noted that the laws were only lightly enforced: “[O]ne scholar who canvassed 19th-century newspapers—which routinely reported on local judicial matters—found only a handful of other examples in Massachusetts and the District of Columbia, all involving black defendants who may have been targeted for selective or pretextual enforcement.”

That’s regarding gun restrictions, so you have to ask yourselves, are these the wealthy Whites you choose to side with? I do not. I’ve said it before, and I won’t back down, I will defend the Constitution, especially the BoR. The rest of y’all can talk all you want about eroding those rights further, because mainstream news, but history demonstrates that the most vulnerable get hit the hardest.

You’re in favor of legal discrimination to achieve your non-ends, if you follow anti-gun punditry.

https://reason.com/volokh/2022/06/23/how-should-courts-evaluate-gun-regulations-after-bruen/

Last edited 1 month ago by BleedingRedAndGold
WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 9:13 pm

i read it as being state of being, living in a “free State”. In order to remain in a free state of being, you must be able to defend that freedom from both national/communal defense standpoint against foreign entities, and indivdual defense from individual enemies.

hoosierchief
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 8:48 pm

The actual decision was in regarding to new york saying you had to prove you were in imminent danger to carry a sidearm. The desire to protect yourself from general attacks wasn’t enough. unless you could show them evidence that you were being stalked by someone with intent to harm you, they wouldn’t allow you a permit to protect yourself. So they were constantly denying permits to people. THIS is what the court said wasn’t right.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:25 pm

So any news outside of sports today?

I enjoyed the business channel take on Exxon Mobil last night

I had no idea that Standard Oil got split up into 43 different entities when the justice department decided it was monopoly

ATT was split into 7 or something for the same reason

rip58
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:35 pm

No news … my old lady’s being a hateful spoiled bitch but that’s definitely not new news…

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 7:40 pm

haha

I found it interesting that Esso and Mobil two of the baby standard Oils. the two biggest survivors of the split re=joined

just like the Baby Bells reunited to form a new ATT

also

Exxon is planning to cap and pipe excess CO2 via pipes back into the earth for holding down emmissions

seems those pipes are like 300K per some footage,,, extraordinarily expensixe

In Baytown TX, like right on the gulf of mexico

Last edited 1 month ago by steve_chiefs
rip58
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:43 pm

Yep , bayton is right by my coast place, nuclear reactor there..

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 8:39 pm

Nice, safe, Green, and carbon-free energy there.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:47 pm
river
river
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 7:48 pm

Sounds like a kiss and a hug won’t work Rip. Give her a one way ticket to anywhere and kick your feet up.

rip58
Reply to  river
06/23/2022 8:21 pm

Was kind of hoping, maybe, just for a week or two , she could come stay with you.. 😀

hoosierchief
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 8:51 pm

My wife and daughter are actually heading off your way Saturday, heading to Texas and NM to look at stuff and sweat. I’m going fishing.

rip58
Reply to  hoosierchief
06/23/2022 9:03 pm

Double bonus……. Good for you .

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 6:59 pm

Anyone ever hire a lawyer who did not return two phone calls and an office visit? for more than a week?

rip58
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:01 pm

Yes, but look at the money you saved.. my last lawyer said that he will return all my calls, but I would not like my bill… what an ass…

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 7:03 pm

I can see that, but, can I expect him to contact me if any change in the case is determined?

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:07 pm

at least his paralegal, if there is a change he is aware of, I believe he is obligated to inform.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
06/23/2022 7:11 pm

thanks guys

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
06/23/2022 8:41 pm

While on a case, a lawyer has a duty to provide his client with zealous representation. If they don’t even bother, there are remedies, if the stakes are high enough.

rip58
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:07 pm

That I don’t know, you would expect that would happen ..

rip58
06/23/2022 6:59 pm

Fact , Steely Dan got there name from a sex toy

Last edited 1 month ago by rip58
Snafu
06/23/2022 6:29 pm

Nice stuff on Podolak.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Snafu
06/23/2022 6:34 pm

wait podolak was not on a bad team

Snafu
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 6:45 pm

“…a couple of great teams…”

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Snafu
06/23/2022 6:49 pm

he was so awesome in the longest game in NFL history

Snafu
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:43 pm

so close yet so far.

pompano
06/23/2022 6:29 pm

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
06/23/2022 6:33 pm

hahahhahahhahahahahahah

BleedingRedAndGold
06/23/2022 6:24 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/23/2022 7:11 pm
rip58
06/23/2022 6:23 pm

Manning coming to Texas.. hook-em

pompano
06/23/2022 6:20 pm

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
06/23/2022 6:22 pm

so the moon is Cheese and the empty space between Earth and the moon is Wine?

rip58
06/23/2022 6:16 pm

106 tomorrow…. And it’s just getting started down here, only four more months to go …. ( fuck ) I hate summer …

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 6:18 pm

You hate Winter…..

rip58
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 6:21 pm

Damn it, forgot about that .. yes ( fuck ) winter as well… burrrrrrrrrrr

rip58
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 6:29 pm

Watched a group working on the roof across the street today, felt sorry for them . Temp on roof I bet had to be 150ish.

News said black top temp was 140

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 6:36 pm

I was on one Sunday

95 degrees, and probably 100 feel like

across the street was the city swimming pool

mofo!SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

rip58
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 6:20 pm

On a brighter note , the location of my new job , my god I’ve never seen that many beautiful women every day, ever .. sometimes they come by in groups ..

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 6:23 pm

College girls?

rip58
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 6:26 pm

18 to 30s , must be the neighborhood.. it’s a prerequisite to live in that zip code to be smoking hot .
And they all have spandex and short tops .. I’ll see if I can sneak you some pics tomorrow…

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 6:28 pm

haha

don’t get nabbed as a peeper

Denise trained as a Barbizon Model in Dallas back in the Day

she wore Spandex and short tops well…….

Snafu
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 7:17 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Snafu
06/23/2022 7:20 pm

pee wee

word of the day

rip58
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 7:23 pm
probablyamistake
probablyamistake
06/23/2022 5:56 pm

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Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/23/2022 5:57 pm

comment image

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/23/2022 5:59 pm

Watson is flying in new Masseuse’s

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 5:31 pm

haha just thought of this

Bad QB’s on great Kansas City Chiefs Teams?

Elvis?

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 5:33 pm

I’d say Steve Bono, but this:

rip58
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 5:35 pm

How about just shitty Kansas City quarterbacks….

Brodie

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 5:37 pm

Brokie?

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 5:37 pm

Tyler Palko.

A guy with whom I served in the Army went to high school with Tyler Palko (and he made sure I knew it, during that 2012 season). Palko, this guy said, was extremely cocky in high school, and to see him fail at the NFL level brought this guy unspeakable joy.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Nasrani
06/23/2022 5:39 pm

Bones?

rip58
Reply to  Nasrani
06/23/2022 5:40 pm

Awesome choice, Thigpen

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 5:42 pm

the actual Bones 🙂

rip58
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/23/2022 9:13 pm

Sounds like a good OT

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 5:40 pm

The scraps pf Joe Montana almost got us to a Super Bowl

rip58
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 5:42 pm

That just shows you if you have a great QB. You always have a chance..

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/23/2022 5:44 pm

Stafford proved on a good team even the older guys might make it happen

Goff was Grbac or Bono esque

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 5:42 pm

we let Gannon sit on the bench during a playoff

Nasrani
Nasrani
06/23/2022 5:31 pm

“Doctor, I think my wife is getting hard of hearing,” says an elderly man one day during a visit to his clinician.

“There’s a simple test you can run,” the doctor answers, “to see how bad the problem is: Start out 40 feet away from her, and in a normal conversational speaking tone say something and see if she hears you. If not, go to 30 feet, then 20 feet, and so on until you get a response.”

That evening, the man’s wife is in the kitchen cooking dinner, and he’s in the living room. In a normal tone, he asks, “Honey, what’s for supper?”

No response.

So he moves to the other end of the room and repeats, “Honey, what’s for supper?” Still no response. Next, he moves into the dining room. “Honey, what’s for supper?” No response, so he walks up to the kitchen door. “Honey, what’s for supper?” Again, there is no response, so he walks right up behind her. “Honey, what’s for supper?”

“For the fifth time, Harry, CHICKEN!”

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Nasrani
06/23/2022 5:35 pm

I was hard of hearing too

in my Right ear

When driving my wife around

Nasrani
Nasrani
06/23/2022 5:30 pm

Cat’s foot, iron claw
Neurosurgeons scream for more
Paranoia’s poison door
21st century schizoid man

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  Nasrani
06/23/2022 5:32 pm

Original for comparison:

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Nasrani
06/23/2022 5:32 pm

some of your quotes are very bad poetry 🙂

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/23/2022 5:34 pm

I’m just the messenger: that’s the opening few lines of the song.

Blame King Crimson, not me.

rip58
Reply to  Nasrani
06/23/2022 6:07 pm

Haha…… 😂

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