Science Saturday OT: Less Deadly Is More Deadly When it comes to pandemics

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Tony does his best to make you smarter, despite the comments section.

The covid-19 pandemic (which I’m hoping will come to and end soon, I’m getting pretty tired of it) has been a bit different from  what most people think when they imagined a deadly worldwide pandemic. They think of something like the Black Death, that may have killed 60% of everybody in Europe. A disease that kills 1% of the people who get it, and even less if you’re young with no preexisting conditions, doesn’t feel quite so serious. And considering the huge societal impact the response to it had, it’s honestly understandable that many people felt the response was out of proportion to the seriousness of the disease.

But when it comes to pandemics this is actually a bad thing. A deadlier disease can end up killing fewer people, even with all else being equal. Consider Ebola, which is far deadlier than covid, killing roughly 50% of those who get it. But its worst outbreak killed fewer people worldwide than covid killed in a single week in the US in January.

It makes sense if you think about it, as a dead person isn’t going to spread a disease to very many people. In fact from an evolutionary perspective killing people is the last thing a virus wants to do. A virus that kills people isn’t going to spread as much as one that doesn’t. But when it comes to pandemics, it needs to kill at least some people for us to take notice and take it seriously. To be a pandemic the disease needs to be deadly enough to cause a high number of deaths, but not so deadly that the people who have it won’t spread it around.

Covid has threaded that needle by not being all that deadly on an individual level (and therefore spreading to millions of people) but being deadly enough that it takes out a small fraction of that number. A small fraction of a large pie is still a large number, especially when it comes to a serious side effect like death. This is why half a million people in the US have died of covid, a disease that has a 99% survival rate, while only a single person in the US has died from Ebola, a disease that kills half the people who get it.

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upamtn
02/20/2021 12:46 pm

also, a bear bit (or scratched) some gal in the wilderness in some outhouse … from the BOTTOM (I couldn’t make it up if I tried)

https://apnews.com/article/alaska-woman-outhouse-bear-attack-61a23fa15190c00e17a07bc152f9dabb

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  upamtn
02/20/2021 12:56 pm

I read that while hunting for bear restroom stories this morning.. 😊

upamtn
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 12:57 pm

LMAO! thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS – congratulations, you bagged one

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
02/20/2021 3:33 pm

I wonder if she ran out of there bear assed.

upamtn
02/20/2021 12:38 pm

for the record: not trying to piss anyone off with my “somewhere left of AOC comments and opinions” … hey, someone has to be a “counterweight/balance” around here

that said, I offer all y’all music … and music heals (which is THE absolute factual truth: for 10 yrs I was security volunteer in Winter Park, Co for a blues festival called “Blues from the Top” which was started to raise money for a charity called Blue Star Connection [one word, dot org] which raises money for cancer kids across America and beyond: guitars and other instruments, music therapy, music lessons, etc etc … and the music heals, as much and often more than any treatment, as well as making those treatments easier to deal with)

so, a few tunes … I think 75 shows @ 3 hrs each = 225 hrs = 9.375 days of continuous blues and blues-rock to fill the spaces between your ears

and I probably have another 100 that aren’t posted … I should sell ’em or sumthin’ … rent ’em out, maybe?

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rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  upamtn
02/20/2021 1:28 pm

I got the app, but now got confused.

upamtn
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 2:25 pm

the app, huh? well, I’m lost too, never used … I just upload the stuff

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  upamtn
02/20/2021 2:29 pm

Mix-cloud.
Hahaha, I just started pushing buttons. If I do not need that ,let me know and I shall delete..

upamtn
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 2:36 pm

well, if you’re listening on a cell phone it could be handy … maybe? on a PC not so much, just hit the website, pick one from the list and hit “play” (I think)

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  upamtn
02/20/2021 2:37 pm

It has too many different choices. It has a select area in which I typed (wolf
But then again was too many choices

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:44 am

For Movie 🎥 nerds, a few are:
The news of the world
Greenland
Land

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:52 am

Watched Greenland the other day , not a bad flick..

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:57 am

I watched The Little Things last weekend. It was alright.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 12:04 pm

Watched Maggie yesterday with Arnold about zombies.. a different take on the old zombie movies it was interesting..

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 12:09 pm

🙁
His daughter

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 12:12 pm

Was this you LOL LOL

Watch “Calgon Bath Powder Commercial–“Calgon, Take Me Away!” (1978)” on YouTube
https://youtu.be/8yjGPgs0_S0

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 12:15 pm

Hahaha, no but now that you mentioned it I am silky smooth… 😂

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 12:17 pm

HAHAHA
How bad was it. Seriously?

How many days withOUT power, water & natural gas?

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rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 12:28 pm

Three days without electricity, two without water, we made it okay. Still water boil Notice for a week or more probably..
Luckily I have a 4×4 , so getting around wasn’t that bad. Growing up on a farm in Kansas, you kind of learn how to make shit work. My neighbors all needed a little help..
Glad it’s over ..

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 12:30 pm

Insane!
Good you all are safe 🙏 👍 😊

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 12:34 pm

Thank you brother, appreciate it gonzo.

upamtn
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 12:44 pm

what gonz said x two … carrion my wayward sun

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  upamtn
02/20/2021 12:58 pm

Thanks ups, and if there is anything I can ever do to help you out please holler..

pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 1:22 pm

what those guys said.. 🙂

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  pompano
02/20/2021 1:44 pm

Thanks pompano, ps.. are you supposed to boil bong water? 😊

upamtn
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 2:26 pm

wreck’d hard!

upamtn
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 2:27 pm

well, only a coupla things I could even possibly imagine offhand …

1) if ya win the lottery, gimme a shout
2) send BBQ

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  upamtn
02/20/2021 2:34 pm

BBQ I can do , As soon as they start shipping briskets again from Austin I’ll get your address
I’ve got one headed gonzos way as soon as they do. So I’ll just add you to the list

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WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  upamtn
02/20/2021 5:14 pm

what did i do now?

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 12:08 pm

I did like that movie ending..
Not like the 99.9% happy ending bull jive, ending of all other movies

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 12:13 pm

The ending was fine, but I found Rami Malik’s acting creepier than Jared Leto’s.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 12:15 pm

He was trying hard to not let his upper teeth pop out. Yes both were HANNIBAL ish

Reminds me CLARICE tv series is starting off well

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rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 12:30 pm

Haven’t watched that yet, someone here commented that the fist episode was good..I need to check it out.

pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 1:23 pm

Yeah, the pilot shows promise, got ep 2 on DVR.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
02/20/2021 11:44 am

I remember when I first became a Christian and was directed to conservative republicanism. We were taught that the left was wrong because they didn’t believe in personal responsibility. They made everything a political and economic issue. Was taught that the media (free press) was bias for liberals because that’s how they were taught in the universities. I believed and supported these positions for a long time. It took the Iraq war to make me question what I believed. It took an insurrection against our Country to convince me that it’s really not worth listening to conservatives anymore. Everything that is reported contrary to their beliefs is either the “liberal media” lying, George Soros, AOC, Antifa, California or some other bogeyman they have created. The Truth is what matters, not the source.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  probablyamistake
02/20/2021 11:47 am

It is easy to dismiss things as a bogeyman, if you are on the “safe” side of the monster.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 11:56 am

I try to look at every issue from a position of neutrality now. Not a lefty. Wish abortion never happened. Do Not support the gay agenda. Do support the police (given to the local PD for my entire business career), support the military (grew up in a small beach community full of vets), believe in the institutions that protect our republic, support NATO (essential to the survival of western democracy). If that’s left wing I guess I’m left wing.

workingmansdead
Reply to  probablyamistake
02/20/2021 11:58 am

So other than being an absolute jerk, what did you actually disagree with Trump on, policy-wise? Because yes, the guy is an asshole. But it sure sounds like you agree on policy.

workingmansdead
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/20/2021 11:59 am

I mean Trump being a jerk, not you. Realized that wasn’t clear

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/20/2021 12:04 pm

I understood 😁

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/20/2021 12:05 pm

I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt when he took office. I never want a presidency to fail. Helsinki freaked me right out. I had serious doubts and criticism before that, but became never trumper afterwards.

workingmansdead
Reply to  probablyamistake
02/20/2021 12:14 pm

Yeah the guy was an ass. But I’d claim that his actual policy was in reality quite good. Personality notwithstanding. He didn’t start any silly wars, did some good in the Middle East, tried to close the borders, and honestly didn’t do much domestically, which is fine.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  probablyamistake
02/20/2021 12:11 pm

I label myself as fiscally conservative. My money is what matters most to me. Being able to provide things for my wife and children that I never got when I was a kid. I work hard. It will leave my body broken when I am older. But it is a sacrifice I am willing to make for them.

I don’t want the government to tell me how my money should be spent. I don’t feel compelled to help my neighbors with their bills.

I believe in personal freedoms. I am supportive of gay marriage. I am also supportive of a bakery’s choice to not make a cake for a gay wedding. Abortion is a personal choice. But a business should not be forced to provide insurance to an employee to get one.

I don’t like when people try to manipulate me. I don’t like hypocrites. And I don’t like people thinking my opinions are worthless because they aren’t the same as theirs.

I am an American. Not left wing or right wing.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 12:17 pm

I kinda worded that wrong. I should have said conservative movement. I broke away from that, but not it’s values. I know I can be an ass, I’m trying to be better.

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rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  probablyamistake
02/20/2021 1:49 pm
gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  probablyamistake
02/20/2021 11:56 am

California
You see video of the 2 police officers that shot/killed a dude for JAYWALKING

Everyone has jaywalked, I’ve even seen peeps in uniform jaywalk

Why the 2 officers couldn’t just yell @ the dude. Please don’t jaywalk…for your safety & others. End of Topic. Now go find a crime or speeder or wife beater…anything other jaywalking.

But it is, what it is.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:59 am

Yeah, that doesn’t happen anywhere else.

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gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  probablyamistake
02/20/2021 12:05 pm

Like I typed
It is, what it is = anywhere

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 12:08 pm

Got it. Sorry about the snarky response. 😊

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  probablyamistake
02/20/2021 12:10 pm

It’s all good lol lol
My reply when I saw that video SSDD = anywhere

Unfortunately

upamtn
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 12:09 pm

and then people ask why there’s such a thing as BLM … one guy was illegally selling cigarettes, a kid with a TOY gun, someone with NO gun whatsoever, so many instances … and maybe the absolute WORST part is the whole “total immunity” for police thing … that’s BS, total and complete BS

you know, all the lameass and meaningless talk from “conservatives” (whatever) about “personal responsibility” … well, that same responsibility (or lack thereof!) is magnified 50 times when you have a badge and a gun

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
02/20/2021 4:21 pm

While I have agreed since Ferguson that the initial message of BLM was fair enough, since even back then there was a plenitude of evidence that Blacks were being discriminated against by the LEO-DA-Court system, I haven’t agreed with much else that got added to that banner, be it by opportunists, “allies” or the claims of those who’ve kept fervently insisting that the evidence either doesn’t exist or if it does, it doesn’t matter. Nonsense times two.

My solution back then wasn’t popular with BLM back then, but it remains unchanged, the solution to the problem isn’t to try to ensure that nobody’s even a tiny bit racist, but to reform the policies, procedures, and institutionalized assumptions backed into the system so that minorities aren’t discriminated against because the bad practices that lead to that are no longer allowed by those institutions. Those bad practices are not the officers themselves. I place “Warrior Cop” training high on that list, since it emphasizes establishing dominance, aggression, and resorting to violence without considering the context. While that last in particular is supposed to “save lives”, it does nothing of the sort, and in point of fact endangers the police themselves, since if the person they are engaging with knows that violence is a real possibility they will be much more likely to react violently themselves.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/20/2021 4:36 pm

And since I am already likely upsetting some for daring to say such horrible things, I’ll add that I really, really resent it when I’m told that things like doing away with WTC, the completely dishonest asset forfeiture program(s), the always-discriminatory “war on drugs” while re-thinking other problems and perverse incentives, such as moving evidence custody to a completely non-police set-up, the qualified immunity (that as Ups mentioned is far closer to absolute immunity than is reasonable), and shifting things away from them and toward people with the qualifications to handle things like psych crises and wellness checks, well…

tl;dr If wanting to change those policies is literally hating on police, they we’ll have to get rid of the police first, because that’ll be the only way to change those policies without a bunch of people falsely portraying changing them as deep, intense, personal hatred of each and every individual one of them, as a way to protect and preserve the way the people on the margins have been abused via those policies.

But I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if someone yet again were to rise up and inform the rest of y’all that none of that’s true, it’s all just a smoke screen hiding the message that they see through all the smoke as being one of hating the people in uniform, and my insistence that this isn’t the case being held up as proof that it is. Who’s the jerk?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/21/2021 12:14 am

As I said, I have opinions that others dislike. This is new?

And if I can’t criticize the “criticisms” that have been thrown at me… Well, on that count I know I’m not the jerk. I want to fix the system, not fix the people while leaving the system untouched. Trying to fix the people is the hater’s route, kinds of like how some want to fix me. Not that it’ll work, since being disliked for my opinions is nothing new to me. Hate doesn’t change my mind one bit. Criticism doesn’t persuade me a bit, which is the norm for everyone on the internet.

And anyone who disagrees with that last bit can feel free to relate all the times that they’ve been criticized for holding the wrong opinions on the internet has forced them to change their opinions. I’ll wait.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 12:24 pm

I agree with 90% of your sentiment. Those cops should be held accountable for their piss poor handling of the situation. Because they escalated it at every turn and man was killed. Those were bad cops out to show how macho they were.

The only part I disagree with is anything other than jaywalking. If a crime is being committed and they see it, it is their duty to uphold the law. I drive for a living. I don’t want my life to be turned upside down because I hit someone in the middle of the road I didn’t see. No matter how insignificant the law may seem, there is a reason that law exists.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 12:28 pm

Watch “Macho Man” on YouTube

upamtn
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 12:56 pm

ok, I never was one for disco (I actually loathe it to this day, but VP were fun) … so … I have to ask: which one are you?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
02/20/2021 12:58 pm

Aren’t we all the Chief?

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 2:28 pm

touche, my friend!

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 12:55 pm

I drove for a living after my teaching days got wiped out in 2010 … cab for a few yrs, then “black car” service for a guy in biz 30 yrs (that’s gone now with the pandemic, I drove for 2+ yrs then asst office mgr for 2+ yrs) and saw way too much shit all over … agree with the stupid shit people do and nobody should have to put up with some of it, but still … ya don’t SHOOT somebody for every little thing, that’s absurd

personally, I had more issues with ridiculous and rude and downright fucking dangerous drivers than anyone walking anywhere (like dropping off in downtown Denver, tons of people and it can be a mess, but if I have to wait a minute or two and it clears out, I can deal with that … what is MUCH more difficult to deal with, as you no doubt are aware, are the fools driving 80 in a 55 when the traffic congestion calls for 45 or 50, lane changing etc etc ad nauseum

I’ll top all that off with being truly and absolutely disgusted by drunk drivers … period, no fucking excuses, none whatsoever

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:00 am

CLONING is here.
https://viagenpets.com/

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:01 am

“The X files intro and opening theme”

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:35 am
gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 11:37 am

Great 🎵

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:36 am

The 6th Day movie came out in 2000. People LOL @ this cloning pets. Hmmm

Keep in my mind whatever technology WE see/use today (2021). Big brother has access to technology 50 years, ahead of us (2071)…not 2051…darn tiny keyboard lol

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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:43 am

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gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 10:57 am

BTW my Texas peeps…
Sure you read this article But TEXAS was…..minutes if not seconds away from being without power for MONTHS

in summary:
Get ready this was a preview. Failure to Plan, Is Planning To Fail

As of 2020, the average age of the power grid is 30 years old. Power outages are over 2.5 times more likely than they were in 1984.

Some senator in 2015 stated. “100% chance USA grid goes down”

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:06 am

“Don’t Let The Sun Go Down On Me”

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:06 am

“Kenny Chesney When the Sun Goes Down”

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:15 am

This may sound conspiracy theorish, but this is just how my mind works.

The power grid was seconds away story is a media driven scare tactic. Ted Cruz running to Mexico shamefest is to make Republicans look terrible. Now I am seeing AOC stories of her coming to Houston to help give out warm meals.

There is already political shenanigans going on trying to make Texas turn to a blue state in the next election.

The ice storm was an abnormal event that is being blown out of proportion for political gain. It sucks for everyone living down there, but we dealt with some of the same shit in Missouri. Rolling blackouts, frozen water supplies, horrible road conditions.

All municipalities should constantly review their emergency preparedness and learn from the failures of previous events, but this news coverage stinks of political influence.

workingmansdead
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 11:24 am

I agree – a storm with temps like that is a once in a century event in Texas, especially down towards Houston. Blackouts were a shame for sure. I’d like to hear an explanation for yearly blackouts in California during normal seasonal weather before hearing any blaming for this event.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 11:28 am

Type in Google
texas grid minutes from failing

Many different sources reporting same topic.

Real threat to grid will be an EMP = zero defense against.

workingmansdead
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:30 am

Type in google is not an acceptable argument

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/20/2021 11:32 am

I rely on Netscape Navigator to find the truth on the internet.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/20/2021 12:04 pm

Regardless if you believe media reports on Texas was in trouble

It’s WHEN not if the grid goes down either by mother nature, internal error or more than likely an unfriendly…. grid down more than 2 weeks = anarchy

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 12:00 pm

Ted Cruz running to Mexico shamefest is to make Republicans look terrible

they can look terrible w/o Cruz looking “extra terrible” (as he so often does) … true that nobody has control of the weather, but ERCOT and everyone (in power: ie Republicans and their major contributors) in Texas dropped the ball on PREVENTING the massive failure

given that winterizing the entire system YEARS ago could have absolutely prevented at least MUCH of the power loss … yes it would have cost a few billion, but instead THE WHOLE COUNTRY is paying SEVERAL BILLION (in aid) and THAT costs EVERYONE (me, you and the folks across the country)

in Texas, very few municipalities have enough control and/or money to effectively wincterize theeir part of the grid … and to blame anyone but ERCOT (ironically named Energy Reliability Council) is misguided and limply just plain wrong

stop excusing atrocious behavior behavior by rich-bitch R’s for a crisis that was largely made by their own choices

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 10:28 am

I get what you are trying to convey, but percentages should be the only thing that matters. Not total number of deaths. Our world population is substantially higher than any other time in human history when another pandemic came through.

The world population was 1.8 billion people in 1918. We are over 7.5 billion now. The 1918 flu pandemic killed about 1% of the world population. We currently have about 2.5 million people that have died from covid. Please feel free to check my math, but I think that is about 0.033%.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 10:21 am

1st shower in a week, snow is almost gone.. water is back ( boil only ) . Hell yes.. neighborhood is ………

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 10:30 am

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gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 10:51 am

Lol lol

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 10:50 am

I’m not into politics or should I say POLISHITS
Now wash your azz lol lol

but Ted Cruz disapproves your post
Lol lol lol

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/20/2021 11:28 am

Ted Cruz is an asshat… wish he would stop breathing in Texas air…

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 11:30 am

He did try to breath in Mexico air, but everyone got mad about it.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
02/20/2021 12:02 pm

because he’s still an asshat … and a hypocritical one at that

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 11:41 am

I hope who ever down voted me lives in Texas!!!

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  rip58lovealways
02/20/2021 11:53 am

My family lives in the Ft. Worth area. They were without water until yesterday. I have a pretty good understanding of Ted Cruz’s popularity in Texas. It seems like the state wants a new guy, but haven’t found him or her yet.

I didn’t downvote you. Your opinion of Cruz seems to be a little more angry than my parents, but they don’t like him very much either.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
02/20/2021 10:10 am

Now do one about accurate reporting of actual deaths CAUSED by Covid. There are exponentially more cases of “died with Covid” and “susupected Covid” than from the virus. We will NEVER know the exact death toll because the media lost their damn minds, the politicians encouraged them, and the government funded hospitals in a manner that made it exceedingly profitable to lie on death certificates.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Tony Sommer
02/20/2021 10:17 am

How does that accomplish this task though? If the death certificate says Covid as a cause of death, that’s the official number. Unless the media has been lying to everyone for the last year, which is also likely.

workingmansdead
Reply to  Tony Sommer
02/20/2021 10:27 am

I think there’s a good likelihood that people have been forgoing care for things that needed urgent care, ie, CVA, MI, TIAs, etc, that have been fatal and have probably increased this number.

workingmansdead
Reply to  Tony Sommer
02/20/2021 10:30 am

I think you should count that as a “death as a result of pandemic”, but certainly not as a “covid death”

workingmansdead
Reply to  Tony Sommer
02/20/2021 10:48 am

I’m just glad vaccinations are going to reduce the risks and help to open everything up again, honestly. Regardless of politics.

workingmansdead
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/20/2021 11:03 am

Though I should add – once everyone of fairly high risk (ie 60 year old or immunocompromised issue) has the opportunity to be vaccinated, then everything should open back up without regulation in my opinion.

workingmansdead
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/20/2021 2:11 pm

Hilarious how that is downvoted for some reason.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/20/2021 2:24 pm

Took care of one.. 😉

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/20/2021 11:01 am

Why do people forgo treatment for other conditions? It always comes down to money. Poor people are always the most effected by healthcare issues. Poor people are the least supported by our education system. Let’s face it, America doesn’t have much use for poor people. We just look the other way.

workingmansdead
Reply to  probablyamistake
02/20/2021 11:04 am

That’s not true as a general rule. I try to convince people every single day to treat conditions – with generic medication (about $3/month) and they refuse. There’s just stubborn people out there. People think they know better than doctors or just choose not to treat.

hoosierchief
Reply to  Tony Sommer
02/20/2021 1:02 pm

A friend of mine had an uncle dying of cancer. In the last days, he naturally had shortness of breath, etc.. On the death cert they listed the cause of death as COVID. he was never tested, but met the criteria. The family tried to get the certificate corrected and the hospital refused to correct it. So the problem is that you try to make sense of the data, but the data is corrupt.

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