Section 3 was adopted principally to prevent “Officers of the United States” who joined the Confederacy from reclaiming power in the Reconstruction government. Its drafters hardly would have exempted a turncoat president.
And they didn’t. In the mid-nineteenth century, as today, the president fell within the ordinary meaning of “officer.” Members of the 39th Congress, which proposed the Amendment, repeatedly referred to the president as an officer.
Historically, the distinguishing feature of an “officer” is that they swore an oath. And while Mr. Mukasey is correct that Article II, separately from Article IV, mandates a presidential oath, lawmakers made no distinction between these oaths for the purpose of Section 3.
Mr. Mukasey insists that case law says elected officials are not “officers.” But the lines he quotes, arguably powerful standing alone, are irrelevant to the question here. One pertains to which lower-level federal officials are “Officers,” while the other simply notes that presidents are accountable for such officials because they are not elected.
Do we really think our forefathers , who recently went to war to distance themselves from a kingship, would’ve wanted exempt a president from upholding an Oath to the Constitution ? Especially by providing a semantic loophole ? ( Support & Defend vs Protect & Defend … Either way – it’s Snake Eyes for the former , losing ” Grifter in Chief ” IMHO … )
basically the judge said it’s unclear whether a Civil War-era Constitutional amendment (14th) barring insurrectionists from public office applies to the presidency
and said Section 3 does not specifically refer to the presidency, as it does members of the U.S. Senate or House of Representatives
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full stop
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can someone please explain to me how the office of the president of the united states of america is NOT a public office?
(yes I read your paragraph vis-a-vis “officers”
hold ANY office … & … previously taken an oath … & … engaged in rebellion
strike 1, 2, and 3 … yer out
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No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Won the auction so I will now be the proud owner of a Tony Richardson jersey. Not many Chiefs jerseys I am on the look out for at this point. I have Delaney, Eddie K, Boerigter, T-Rich, DT, Priest, and Dante. I guess Tony and Trent would be the next two.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/145429093986 You just don’t find his jersey for sale that often. I have seen a few of his Jets jerseys but this was the first time his Chiefs one has come up.
I could have gotten one made but I prefer era accurate. While the idea of owning this man’s jersey makes me a little sick, I did see an LJ #34 jersey up for sale and that is super tempting.
seeya (weirdos)
Not Chiefs related, but KC
12/7
“Brett”
https://fanrecap.com/mlb-network-to-air-new-documentary-brett-on-dec-7/?utm_source=l-kansas-city-royals&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=mlb-mk&fbclid=IwAR08n5AgRS4RjPT4x97JQRo75i_EAJE0U92OB_Kx238KSUFDufpoBSqpfa4
kewl
appears Mizzou be goin’ down barring a miracle
wtg K-State but not KU
and they damn near got it? can whoever it is make a long long long long FG if needed? can Brady Cook throw a 40 yard strike for a TD?
at the 31 … Go Zou
at the 19 and FG … come on
a miracle indeed … Zou with the last second FG win
30 min..ask me anything
What’s the secret to really great popovers?
let someone else make ’em
I used to make them. Damn good shit, but my pan’s not in great shape and may or may not be around here somewhere.
know how to do them?
next
what is the sound of lavender?
you know it when you see it
something about this thread smells …
how do we know you’re a REAL charlatan and not just making it all up?
I am just a worthless liar
I am just an imbecile
I will only complicate you
Trust in me and fall as well
shout out to all the weirdos that still come here,
and many thanks to Tony, if you are so inclined
who are you callin’ a …
oh, wait
this fuckin’ guy
least I own up to it
i resemble that remarks
PS – love the X-Tweeter, good find
Who you calling … never mind.
The Killer was pretty good, not the usual endless fight scenes, slower paced but not boring
Tilda Swinton has a good scene late
Section 3 was adopted principally to prevent “Officers of the United States” who joined the Confederacy from reclaiming power in the Reconstruction government. Its drafters hardly would have exempted a turncoat president.
And they didn’t. In the mid-nineteenth century, as today, the president fell within the ordinary meaning of “officer.” Members of the 39th Congress, which proposed the Amendment, repeatedly referred to the president as an officer.
Historically, the distinguishing feature of an “officer” is that they swore an oath. And while Mr. Mukasey is correct that Article II, separately from Article IV, mandates a presidential oath, lawmakers made no distinction between these oaths for the purpose of Section 3.
Mr. Mukasey insists that case law says elected officials are not “officers.” But the lines he quotes, arguably powerful standing alone, are irrelevant to the question here. One pertains to which lower-level federal officials are “Officers,” while the other simply notes that presidents are accountable for such officials because they are not elected.
Do we really think our forefathers , who recently went to war to distance themselves from a kingship, would’ve wanted exempt a president from upholding an Oath to the Constitution ? Especially by providing a semantic loophole ? ( Support & Defend vs Protect & Defend … Either way – it’s Snake Eyes for the former , losing ” Grifter in Chief ” IMHO … )
what does “is” mean?
the dude was flailing…
Chef, no pushback from me …
the Colorado ruling was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen
engaged in insurrection but it doesn’t apply to the office?
wait, what???
this was for primary balot will have to go to SCOTUS eventually
basically the judge said it’s unclear whether a Civil War-era Constitutional amendment (14th) barring insurrectionists from public office applies to the presidency
and said Section 3 does not specifically refer to the presidency, as it does members of the U.S. Senate or House of Representatives
——————————————————————————————
full stop
——————————————————————————————
can someone please explain to me how the office of the president of the united states of america is NOT a public office?
(yes I read your paragraph vis-a-vis “officers”
hold ANY office … & … previously taken an oath … & … engaged in rebellion
strike 1, 2, and 3 … yer out
——————————————————————————————
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
why wouldn’t it apply?
The exutive is exempt?
*sic
Well, look who #2 is? Our friends and perennial #2, the raiders.
The ugliest winning seasons in NFL history
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ugliest-winning-seasons-nfl-history-142246857.htmleren
Colin CowTurd is predicting that the Eagles will win 35-6, using the pretext of Taylor Swift’s parents *possibly* attending the game.
Still apparently trying to be relevant, I see
That’s ” Howlin’ Cow Turd ” to You Good Sir ! … ; )
harumphh
as Paddington Cowensturd II, I object
well, I did read that Kelce’s folks and Swift’s folks might all be in the box suite and maybe all dating each other
read it someplace,maybe the Onion
Won the auction so I will now be the proud owner of a Tony Richardson jersey. Not many Chiefs jerseys I am on the look out for at this point. I have Delaney, Eddie K, Boerigter, T-Rich, DT, Priest, and Dante. I guess Tony and Trent would be the next two.
congrats
https://www.ebay.com/itm/145429093986 You just don’t find his jersey for sale that often. I have seen a few of his Jets jerseys but this was the first time his Chiefs one has come up.
The image just flashes then updates without yours.
Loved T-Rich.
That’s really cool. Congrats.
I could have gotten one made but I prefer era accurate. While the idea of owning this man’s jersey makes me a little sick, I did see an LJ #34 jersey up for sale and that is super tempting.
LJ had moments when he wasn’t an asshat
The biggest selling point for the jersey is it is his rookie number.
he was an asshat, also the best back in the league for a bit…
Which wasn’t 27?
25 or 6 to 9
25 or 6 to 4
And the title refers to the time of day he was trying to write the song.
But he was 29 that one year, right?
what if 6 turned out to be 9?
mister smartypants
Oh, that has NOTHING to do with this!
love T Rich
Same so I am extremely happy to finally own his jersey.
send a pic for the library if you care to
Sooo …. No Boomer Grigsby Jersey ? … ; )
love boomer too
kstate 16-13
shredding Schrader!!!
Currently waiting for the opener to take the stage in Tulsa at Cain’s Ballroom and the p.a. is playing Free’s All Right Now.
It made me think of Nas.
Have a good time.
Can’t find KU Kstate game free stream.
Gators go a big bite their
Geaux Tigers
so tried to save some people and well
it didn’t work, was it wrong to try or just think I could?
Dabo is an asshole
if you are an Igauana
I ask
was there a better time than the 70-80’s for Rock Music?