Morning Huddle

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Here’s your daily dose of morning news, folks. The master news accumulator, sportingchiefs, is out on vacation for a few days, so I’ll be taking over for a bit. Please do not hold me to the same standards you would hold him to – he’s much better at this than I am.

Chiefs news for 15 December 2018

Chiefs CB Kendall Fuller having surgery on wrist | ESPN

Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Kendall Fuller was scheduled to undergo surgery on his wrist Friday morning, a source told ESPN’s Adam Schefter.

Patrick Mahomes finishes second overall in Pro Bowl fan vote | 247Sports.com

Top ten vote-getters overall: QB Drew Brees, New Orleans (1,270,631); QB Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City (1,197,370); RB Saquon Barkley, New York Giants (987,562); RB Todd Gurley, Los Angeles Rams (957,052); QB Jared Goff, Los Angeles Rams (838,561); RB Ezekiel Elliott, Dallas (827,888); RB James Conner, Pittsburgh (817,495); WR Antonio Brown, Pittsburgh (778,630); RB Alvin Kamara, New Orleans (776,846); WR Tyreek Hill, Kansas City (753,981)

Kyle Shanahan says Patrick Mahomes’ no-look pass wasn’t unique | USA Today

Shanahan told reporters after Friday’s practice that he’s seen no-look passes before from multiple quarterbacks. “Jeff Garcia used to do it all the time,” he said according to a transcript distributed by the 49ers.

Patriots fans call out Chiefs fans about video of beer thrown at Chargers players | KC Star

Remember that incident at Gillette Stadium earlier this season when a Patriots fan threw beer in the face of Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill? Patriots fans sure do. Well, they remember the public outcry about that fan’s actions. And some New England fans were very interested in a video that showed Chiefs fans throwing beer at a pair of Chargers fans following Thursday night’s game at Arrowhead Stadium

The Rest of The West

Oakland Raiders WR Martavis Bryant suspended again for drug use | UPI.com

Martavis Bryant of the Oakland Raiders was suspended indefinitely by the NFL on Friday for a violation of the league’s substance abuse policy. It was the third such suspension for Bryant, who is on the Injured Reserve List.

Report: Oakland Raiders could play in Glendale next season | ABC15 Arizona

ESPN’s Paul Gutierrez reported that State Farm Stadium in Glendale, home of the Arizona Cardinals, could be among the options for home games next season for the Raiders, who are planning to permanently relocate to Las Vegas in 2020.

NFL 2018 Week 15: Browns vs. Broncos preview, statistics, odds | The Sporting News

It’s pretty obvious the loser of this matchup will be all but eliminated while the winner could still have an outside, albeit a far outside chance of the postseason

The Denver Broncos Get a Beer Pouring Robot at Mile High Stadium | The Spoon

While the Denver Broncos may be in the midst of a losing season, they could win over fans this weekend when a new robot starts dispensing Bud Light at Mile High Stadium 

Los Angeles Chargers Beat Kansas City Chiefs, Stake Claim As Best Team In AFC | Radio.com

Are they the best team in the AFC? “I think they’re the most complete,”  former NFL linebacker and current NFL analyst Jon Beason said Friday on “Taz & The Moose.”

The Rest of the Rest

AP source: NFL fines umpire $9,300, reinstates him | USA Today

A person familiar with the move says the NFL has fined umpire Roy Ellison $9,300 and reinstated him from administrative leave after his dispute in Miami with Buffalo Bills defensive end Jerry Hughes.

Four Must-See Matchups in the NFL Week 15 | The Ringer

The playoff picture is taking shape but there are more pressing questions this week. Can the Cowboys continue their winning ways? Will the Rams reignite their passing attack against the Eagles? Will Rob Gronkowski continue to torment the Steelers?

NFL draft going to Las Vegas in 2020, Packers still in line | Green Bay Press Gazette

The NFL draft in 2020 will be in Las Vegas, the new home of the Raiders. The NFL made the announcement Wednesday.The Green Bay Packers would like to host an NFL draft in the near future and will request to do so in  2022 or later, after a new Brown County expo center is expected to open.

Lack of flags another reason why the Bears’ defense is the NFL’s best | NBC Sports

“It’s a combination of both (coaching and technique) I would say,” coach Matt Nagy said. “The players, technique-wise is a big part of it. You’ve got to be really disciplined in that area.”

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StramtoReid
StramtoReid
12/15/2018 2:49 pm

I guess i should have read this thread before i made a comment on the other thread about Sutton. I just learned that Hitchens played Ragland position at Dallas. The conspiracy theory is, Hitch is not smart enough to play D.J. position, and Veach won’t bring DJ back because he doesn’t want to admit he made a mistake bringing Hitch in to take over D.J spot.

The MLB or ILB are supposed to be the QB on defense. So if Berry isn’t playing , we have no QB on defense. If you watch Mahomes , he is putting players in the right spot, so why is it Sutton’s fault if Berry has to make sure players are in the right spot?

Hitch is no QB on defense, maybe if our safety is the QB, we can get better play from our ilb. By Berry moving players around shows Hitch isn’t able to be the QB on defense. How can we hate on Sutton when he has no QB on defense, and the CB are slot corners.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan
Reply to  StramtoReid
12/15/2018 3:36 pm

Because that is literally Sutton’s job. He is a COORDINATOR. He is supposed to come up with a game plan and he has to put players in the best possible position to succeed. He has not done that. He doesn’t adapt to his personnel and he is highly dependent on elite talent. There are a number of people out there who could get more out of the talent than Bob does. And there are many who do a better job with less talent than what Bob has. He just isn’t good…at all. Time for him to go.

hatcreekcattlecmpny
hatcreekcattlecmpny
12/15/2018 12:18 pm

rationalizing us losing in my mind

you know if we dont win the division and have to go on the road, i dont have to worry about convincing myself to buy tickets to watch another playoff meltdown by bob suttons defense

Leaf
12/15/2018 11:53 am

Can the media please stop with the kap shit now. It’s not a secret he’s not in the league because of lack of talent. That doesn’t make what they are doing illegal.

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 11:54 am

I don’t think that adds up when Mark Sanchez, Nathan Peterman, etc get chances.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 12:01 pm

Derek Anderson?

Leaf
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 12:09 pm

I just want to watch things burn

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A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 12:11 pm

Another fun one

Leaf
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 12:06 pm

Why. Like I said, it’s no secret it’s not a talent issue. You think companies haven’t fired people and kept lesser talent before? It happens all the time.

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 12:11 pm

I certainly think NFL teams are being willfully stupid not signing Kaep at the very least.

Patomic Fist
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 12:09 pm

It’s a self fullfilling prophecy.

  • Step 1: Sue NFL for conspiracy
  • Step 2: Due to his shitty attitude, him sucking at QB, and now a lawsuit, no team wants anything to do him.
  • Step 3: Conspiracy proven!
A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/15/2018 12:11 pm

Can’t say I feel sorry for the NFL here when they sign guys like Derek Anderson as backups. At the same time, it’s not like the NFL hasn’t had ridiculously bad evaluations of QB’s before as a league. I have a tough time thinking it’s random when it’s 32 teams at this point. JM2C.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 12:14 pm

*to start

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 12:17 pm

Josh Johnson to run a Pistol Offense.

Leaf
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 12:17 pm

Like I keep saying, it’s not a talent issue. But people get canned for non talent related issues all the time.

Mitko
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 1:43 pm

Blackballing is illegal. Players are technically paid by the teams(individual owners) and not the league. I believe by definition that indicate an illegal action by the owners, but would need a lawyer for clarification.

Leaf
Reply to  Mitko
12/15/2018 2:20 pm

The problem is blackballing isn’t easy to prove. If collusion to blacklist really is happening here, the owners aren’t going to rat each other out. The fact that he can’t get employment isn’t proof of said collusion because there are plenty of reasons, besides lack of talent, that owners might not want anything to do with kap. Until there’s some sort of proof, these speculative soapbox pieces are tiresome garbage.

KCRowdy
KCRowdy
12/15/2018 11:52 am

My two cents.. we lose in Seattle which is a real possibility, we will lose the Division.
It actually might be better to be on the road, as the supposed home field advantage of Arrowhead is nothing but a fallacy (at least in big games that count.. see playoff record and games that have severe consequences}

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115
Reply to  KCRowdy
12/15/2018 11:54 am

This is where I’m at. I’m not convinced playing at Arrowhead is any kind of playoff advantage at all.

Leaf
Reply to  Chiefsfan115
12/15/2018 12:05 pm

And playing on the road is? The whole idea that we suck at home and not on the road is psychological. Nothing more

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 12:24 pm

Chiefs have won 9 playoff games total. 7 of those wins were on the road.

Chiefs are 2-7 at home in playoffs. That’s horrible.

IF the Chiefs win 2 games at Arrowhead, they will tie the entire history of the franchise for Kansas City playoff wins.

Maybe it’s because January KC weather sucks so bad?

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Chiefsfan115
12/15/2018 12:31 pm

They lose a lot of close games IIRC, so in theory, a lot of it is just bad fortune, but the bigger issue has been QB. A WC loss turning into a divisional loss or a divisional loss turning into a AFCCG loss is just as unhelpful in the big picture.

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 12:32 pm

Although, there’s a bit of irony here due to the D being less than good in the playoffs under Reid.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 12:05 pm

Chiefs are currently the #1 seed with 2 games left in the regular season.

Congrats to whoever started this for possibly create an unneeded distraction. This is a terrible look for fans of a team who should be absolutely blown away with how this team has overachieved…but no we want to act like this is the 2-14 Pioli regime.

The people who created this don’t deserve to see their team win a SB because they can’t appreciate jack shit.

hatcreekcattlecmpny
hatcreekcattlecmpny
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 12:12 pm

you mean with how the offense has overachieved?

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  hatcreekcattlecmpny
12/15/2018 12:15 pm

No, the team. The general consensus was not that this was a team that’d be the #1 seed and whether you like it or not, the defense has helped us get where we are.

hatcreekcattlecmpny
hatcreekcattlecmpny
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 12:22 pm

the offense is one of the best of all time. the defense is 28th in the league. they are a drag on this team and will ruin our best chance at a superbowl in a long long time.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  hatcreekcattlecmpny
12/15/2018 3:29 pm

And our position in the standings is over achieving from what ANYONE thought before the season started.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 3:41 pm

Expectations change with the addition of new information. That is how things always work. Next year people will expect more. Many were expecting 8-8 or so at the beginning. If we were 6-8 right now there would be different expectations right now. That’s just how it works.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  NHChiefsfan
12/15/2018 3:42 pm

So you agree the Chiefs as a team have overachieved this season from the expectations before the year?

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 4:08 pm

I predicted 12-4. So for me it would be slightly. For some (like Chase2Maclin) they might be underachieving. It’s going to vary. I really don’t know what everyone’s expectations were. So for some it might be true. But that doesn’t matter. The expectations are what they are now and there is absolutely no excuse for the shitshow we are seeing on Defense and it is going to possibly derail what could be a Superbowl season and waste one of the years of our young phenom QB. That needs to de diffused and stopped NOW. The sooner the better. I don’t want to wait until AFTER he ruins the season for us.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 12:32 pm

Guys over at 810 radio were of the opinion that we are in second year window of five years to win Super Bowl. This defense has ruined (almost) this year. Even if we do all the corrections and assume it gels in 2020, we would have like 2/ 5 chances, assuming we don’t screw again.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 3:43 pm

I don’t believe in “windows” with an elite QB other than the career range of said QB. But we definitely shouldn’t waste the years our QB has the ability to compete for titles on shitty Coordinators who don’t have a clue.

Team Player
Team Player
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 1:05 pm

Tony, do you wonder about league bias? You don’t have to buy into it to answer yes. Just occasionally have serious doubt.

If you can’t answer ‘no’ in all honesty, then think about this: maybe we are the problem.

If people like you and me are willing to take whatever comes and still support the Chiefs, then the NFL doesn’t care about you or me. Our tickets and merchandise sales are a given. But in emerging markets and places with fair weather fans, then success will be a profit boost to the team and league.

87t
87t
Reply to  Team Player
12/15/2018 1:40 pm

. On the other hand….I’m sure the NFL would LOVE to move the Chiefs out of KC. The real fans are the only thing keeping it there.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  Team Player
12/15/2018 3:25 pm

I don’t think the NFL is scripted. I think people, like refs supposedly are, just happen to be chock full of error.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 3:55 pm

It isn’t scripted in the sense that the league says “Okay…team A, you are going to lose to team B and here are the plays you are going to run and here is how it will unfold”. I don’t think it is full on WWE and I don’t think the players or even the coaches have knowledge or are told this is how things will play out. I do however believe that the league has certain narratives and agendas and are looking to maximize profits and they use referees to achieve those agendas and they allow the refs to “massage” the games (within reason….has to look believable) towards the outcome that they want. May not happen in all of the games but I think it does happen in certain games…particularly ones of importance. And then it is all chocked up to “mistakes” that happen and are supposedly “normal” (even though there was far less “mistakes” happening before replay and before the Goodell era). That is why the rules are so vague and open-ended and left to “judgment calls” and the discretion of the individual refs rather than having clearly defined rules. It is also why criticism of refs isn’t allowed and refs are never held accountable for the numerous “mistakes” they make predictably every single week.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  NHChiefsfan
12/15/2018 4:02 pm

My guess is its more personal bias that we see than a league agenda or bias. Refs are people too, allegedly, and everyone has biases that they may or may not be aware of. I think certain teams and certain players will benefit from those biases on an individual basis. One ref who grew up a GB fan is prolly gonna call GB games a bit differently than a ref who grew up a Bears fan.

In general, I think big market teams with big name players will get the benefit of the doubt more often than a midwest team with a 1st year QB, no matter how good that QB is. Also, refs watch the news, they see national coverage loving the LA teams, and maybe even subconsciously buy in to the hype. They also research games, and if they see a team lke the Chiefs commits a lot of false starts, they will probably be more likely to call it against us because they’re looking for it.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 4:13 pm

That’s also possible. I know a few years back there was a ref who was removed from officiating a Saints game because he had a bunch of Saints stuff on his Facebook (or maybe it was Myspace? I don’t remember) page. Most refs now are likely smart enough now to not do that. If I was the NFL I would have an academy that refs have to graduate from, I would rewrite the rulebook so that everything has strict clearly defined rules regarding it and I would seek to employ individuals who have no fanship or connection or interest in the teams but are highly motivated by money and what they will earn for officiating these games fairly and accurately (include accuracy bonuses and also the chance to officiate in the postseason for HUGE bonuses).

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  NHChiefsfan
12/15/2018 4:25 pm

I’m not suggesting its intentional, but rather subconscious. Its hard to imagine someone choosing to be a ref, a part time job, who doesn’t love football, or have some NFL team they follow. Also completely plausible the refs may have biases towards players from their alma mater, and its not even NFL team dependent. In the end, there’s a lot of reasons these refs could be getting so much wrong.

I think the solution ultimately is to remove as much as the human elements as possible. With technology being what it is, there’s not reason why players, balls and fields can’t be covered with sensors to detect ball spots, false starts, offsides etc. No reason you can’t have officials in booths watching the video real time to make sure calls are right. Theres so much technology that could go into the game, but thus far the NFL doesn’t seem overly concerned about eliminating the human element of officiating.

BuckeyeMike
BuckeyeMike
12/15/2018 10:49 am

Berry is such a game changer for the rest of season. That first half has me excited!

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  BuckeyeMike
12/15/2018 10:50 am

If we could keep Fuller out there, that’d be ideal. Big if on that front. If we can just survive this Seattle game.

A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 10:48 am

Random poll:

Would you watch an XFL game if Martavis Bryant was in it?

— ArrowheadGuys (@ArrowheadGuys) December 15, 2018

Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street
Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 11:05 am

Not sure if him alone would cause me to watch but you get me some Rashaan Shehee out their I am in. Now as soon as they have Jesse the Body fighting players in the locker room like the first go round of XFL I am out.

starry1
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 1:48 pm

No.

Maw423
Maw423
12/15/2018 10:34 am

Great job, and thanks for stepping in on the Huddle WMD! I think Berry on the field makes this defense better just by smacking people into the right position. I thought he was going to drag Nelson (think it was Nelson) by the ear in the first half. There was a noticeable increase in miscommunication when he went out.

Mitko
12/15/2018 9:40 am

What’s really disheartening is that the Chiefs are now 1-3 against the best teams they’ve faced

Saburo
Saburo
Reply to  Mitko
12/15/2018 10:00 am

Yep, although we could have won any of those 3 with a decent defense, I accepted that we are not winning the SB this year with this defense.
But what pisses me off is how we look like we play on the backfoot these type of games instead of playing aggressive on both sides of the ball all game.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  Saburo
12/15/2018 10:02 am

We were giving first down like every play to dolts in their third TD drive. Heck why not go all out pin ear back go after rivers?

hatcreekcattlecmpny
hatcreekcattlecmpny
Reply to  Saburo
12/15/2018 12:23 pm

andy has to treat a 1 possession lead as a 1 possession deficit with this defense

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  hatcreekcattlecmpny
12/15/2018 12:32 pm

^+10000

RDD India
RDD India
12/15/2018 9:38 am

Somebody’s gotta do an article on Charvarious West or tremon smith (?) . Is there any upside potential in these two scrubs? (

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 9:42 am

No

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 9:48 am

Man. Oh man. We are screwed.
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go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:37 am

You sure?

rdubz
rdubz
12/15/2018 9:34 am

Good Morning AG! Hopefully Fuller will be able to play next week. Still a heck of a interception with a cast on.

Mitko
Reply to  rdubz
12/15/2018 9:35 am

He’s out for the season. Or did I read that wrong?

Mitko
Reply to  Mitko
12/15/2018 9:39 am

NVM “unknown amount of time”

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Mitko
12/15/2018 9:43 am

It was speculated yesterday that, given the ‘long’ week, he could possibly play in a cast on SNF. He will be back for final game for sure.

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Mitko
12/15/2018 9:58 am

We don’t know the type of fracture as a fact.

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Mitko
12/15/2018 9:58 am

Doesn’t sound like he’ll be out much at all, depending on the fracture. Not out of the question he plays in Seattle.

Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street
Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street
Reply to  rdubz
12/15/2018 10:13 am

No way he is back next week. I would not be shocked if we don’t see him again this season. We will get the “day to day” sunshine blown up our a$$ no doubt. Scaphoid bone articulates with both rows of carpal bones in your wrist and radius. This type of fracture usually effects both wrist and hand/thumb, and they are notoriously slow to heal. Not sure of severity of Fullers injury but a 1-2 week turnaround would be a very optimistic prognosis. In normal people this is an 8-12 week process.

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street
12/15/2018 10:26 am

FWIW, this is what I am basing this off of:

Based on this picture, #KendallFuller likely has a scaphoid fracture. Expect to play after a week off after surgery. Will be back with cast/splint on wrist and thumb. Season not done for @Chiefs. https://t.co/FLMONyOXnM— David J. Chao, MD (@ProFootballDoc) December 15, 2018

Had surgery on Friday.

First signs appear to be in the 3rd quarter of the Ravens game, played with a cast on TNF. Seems safe to say the Chiefs had some knowledge of it.

Kendall Fuller played all Thursday with a hard cast on his right wrist/thumb. First sign of injury looks like it came in the third quarter against the Ravens: https://t.co/m7N0WIXaCP— Brooke Pryor (@bepryor) December 14, 2018

Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street
Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 11:01 am

Hope this is the case… Kendall put your club on and lets go!

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 11:07 am

All right. We are saved.

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Tyrone
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 2:03 pm

Will be interesting too see if this turns out to be another epic fuck up by the Chiefs medical staff.

Borg-man: ” That is totally wrong and stupid. You have no idea what you’re talking about.”

Panzer85
Panzer85
12/15/2018 9:09 am

Chris Jones is great. I can’t wait to see what he does to Wilson.

And, oh yeah, Hey Kyle Shanahan!:comment image
“JEfF GarCiA uSeD tO Do iT aLL tHE TimE”

tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  Panzer85
12/15/2018 10:07 am

Kyle needs to take his medicine. This will be the only time Mahomes and Garcia are ever mentioned in the same sentence.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
12/15/2018 9:08 am

Barry Church was released yesterday. He needs to be in KC.

Rickrock58
Rickrock58
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:23 am

Speed dial with these safeties we have.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:39 am

Not from what jaguars fans are saying. Sounds like hes got Ron Parker speed, but without the ability to actually intercept passes. Hes a thumper who’s lost his wheels.

I was pretty excited about bringing him in, until I did a once over with jags fans. Now I’ve changed my tune some

El_Duque86
El_Duque86
12/15/2018 8:30 am

Heads up, those mortenson tweets are a week old.

El_Duque86
El_Duque86
Reply to  workingmansdead
12/15/2018 8:56 am

Only reason I noticed was because I’m on the fence about starting Jackson this week. I think Flacco steals reps when he’s back.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  workingmansdead
12/15/2018 9:08 am

We should post an article about those tweets…and then you can link to the article in tomorrow’s huddle.

Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 8:28 am

I think you did a damn fine job!

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 8:14 am

From the looks of it, that loss really gutted our fan base. And I feel it too. That loss was all on Reid. I’m glad we’re getting a mini bye week to heal up and get straightened out because both the team and us fans need it after that crapfest.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 8:30 am

Meh, I’m not feeling gutted over it. It was disappointing, sure, but it doesn’t change my outlook for this team. I think its hard because we haven’t lost to the Chargers since 2013, but they’re obviously a good team.

Chiefs will still end up being the #1 seed.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 9:59 am

I think what grinds my gears is Reid calling those two running plays and not going for 4th and 3 when game was on line and he ‘thought’ defense could hold chargers. That’s where we lost the game. This loss is on Reid than anyone. Sutton must be fired, if Andy shields him, he’s gotta be answerable ( not fired). There that. I said it.
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tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 10:03 am

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RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 10:04 am

Lol. I knew someone gonna post Peter. Wrecked!

tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 10:09 am

Just looking out for you !

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 10:07 am

Sutton should not be fired, and by the end of the season I think you’ll be agreeing with me on that. He’s the best DC the team has had in 20+ years. We’ve had bad talent on the defense this year, with several of our big playmakers missing time to injury (Houston, Ford, Berry).

Look at the 1st half performance the defense had against Rivers with EB on the field. The Chargers had 4 possessions, the result?

Interception, Punt, TD, Interception.

Our secondary is a steaming pile of hot garbage and our ILB’s are terrible. EB covers a lot of that up.

tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:11 am

I didn’t know we were getting news from the Onion now.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 10:14 am

Might be the Babylon Bee.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 10:21 am

Fun Facts: Thursday was Rivers worst game of the season. Season low QBR, Most INT’s thrown in a game and most sacks he’s taken in a game this year.

If I had told you those stats before the game I bet you would have been very happy with them, and you would assume we win that game.

No, the defense didn’t cost us this game. We lost the situational battle by not picking up a 1st down on our last drive and giving Rivers the ball with 2:37 on the clock with 1 timeout and the 2 minute warning.

So its time to stop dismissing the Chargers as our bitch and Rivers as some scrub. He’s having the best season of his career and our offense gave him the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:26 am

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tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:26 am

I agree with you for the first 3.75 quarters of the game. The problem was the last 5 minutes were such a clownshow on both sides. For Rivers bad stat line, he still got the one that matters at the end -W. I want Reid and Co. to start finishing games.

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:59 am

I’ve got to disagree about Bob. If you’re a Coordinator relying on one player to cover for other players deficiencies , you’re not a good coordinator. The D cannot tackle and seems confused about their positioning and assignments. If Berry is out there doing Bob’s job, then Bob needs to go. Giving up 15 points that quickly is a sure sign that something is rotten in defense land. Just to be clear, I fault Andy Reid for this particular loss, mostly because he did his usual playing scared with a lead crap that let’s opponents back in the game. But he should also be able to see that his defense wasn’t going to stop anything.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 11:03 am

Funny how when Mahomes leads a come back against one of the NFL’s best defenses its just because he and the offense is so good. Not once have I seen a Chiefs fan say “oh we only won because the other defense blew the game”.

So tell me, when one of the NFL’s best QB’s and offenses does the same to us, why can’t we just give them credit for being one of the best? If the offense did it’s job that game never woulda been close enough to lose.

Leaf
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 11:21 am

Sure if rivers threw some amazing throws and our guys weren’t blowing coverage, than I’d say you have an argument. I’m okay giving credit to the a great player making great plays against us. It’s going to happen. But that last drive wasn’t all rivers beating us. It was a cluster fuck of us shooting ourselves in the foot and the refs checking his Tinder instead of actually paying attention to the game.

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 11:24 am

If it was only Rivers that did this to us, then I would agree with your take. But the Defense has been awful for a few seasons now, and made plenty of non-HOF QB’s look great. For example, just look at the play off game against Tennessee. The defense is THE problem. Reid’s overall game philosophy is a close second though.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 12:06 pm

Remind me of how well the offense played in the 2nd half of that game.

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 1:16 pm

So the defense let’s the Titans score 19 points in the second half and it’s the offenses fault? Could they have scored more, sure. But being up 18 at the half should have been enough. An average defense could have won with that.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 3:34 pm

Apparently you don’t remember Alex moving us out of FG position in the 2nd half.

That one FG wins the game for us, but we lost yards on the 1st two downs before Alex sacked himself out of FG position.

So yeah, they cost us the game.

Fire_FG_the_moron
Fire_FG_the_moron
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 1:59 pm

Kelce concussion and out. Hunt had 5 carries or some asinine low number like that. Hill double covered EVERY play and Alex being Alex. Might as well just stayed in the locker room. Defense of course couldnt stop a dead snail the second half so……Chiefs lose……STILL.

In a nutshell the playoff game vs TENNESSEE.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  Fire_FG_the_moron
12/15/2018 3:30 pm

Uh huh. So excuses for the offense missing players but not the defense?

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 11:04 am

+10000 my man.

Leaf
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 11:16 am

I agree with your Bob part. Not so much Reid

asian_fetish
asian_fetish
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 11:17 am

I’m not even mad at the defense on that last drive. You just can’t put them in that situation. Asking a defense to stop a future HOF QB, who is playing with house money, getting 4 downs to get 10 yards for a 1st with the refs calling every ticky tacky penalty. The best defense in football was in a similar situation last week and gave up a TD drive, including a 40 yard pass on a 4th and 9. Our offense had to get a 1st down at the end of the game, but as usual in big moments, Reid is standing over on the sidelines pissing down his leg.

Leaf
Reply to  asian_fetish
12/15/2018 11:47 am

While I partially agree with your defensive take, the problem with that last drive was more execution than Reid. Several times this year, especially NE, we have been begging Reid to show down the offense in these types of situations to kill the clock. He did this game, but the offense failed to execute. Now everyone is grabbing pitchforks and torches, but not for the players. I guess nothing will be good enough.

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 11:50 am

I really don’t get the offense wasn’t good enough take when the defense is the group mis-aligned, having Berry act like a coach on the field, and has its prized FA ILB playing like a JAG. I get Andy is the HC, but Bob Sutton and the defensive players themselves have a lot to answer for.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:16 am

I’m sorry man, I am in panic mode man. Still having hangover. But I read somewhere that Sutton’s scheme requires special talent and skills at key positions. And strong side CB was one of it. I see secondary and LBs constantly out of positions like always. Poor tackling. I mean list could go on. I don’t see improvement at all. I know Sutton is one of best. But we gotta make few changes. Veach’s Gotta be answerable too along with Bob, how and why did Bob agree to have these players? I mean there’s enough blame to go around incl. esp Bob.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 10:19 am

Still hungover from Thursday? Holy crap.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:34 am

Man you have no idea. I don’t have much idea how much, when and where have I drunk and what too. Burrrpppp.
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tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 10:21 am

“Suttons scheme requires special talent and skills at key positions”
I keep hearing that too, except every scheme is better with talent at key positions. How many coordinators get praise for usings their players strengths. Why cant we get there?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 10:23 am

I like this idea more than Tony’s.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 10:31 am

When you have 3 slot CB’s as your starters in the secondary I don’t know what you expect him to do. I mean, coach them to think tall?

He’s ALWAYS had CB’s over 6′ tall the entire time he’s been here…then suddenly he gets handed 3 slot CB’s all under the mark. He’s doing the best with what he’s been given. And I don’t even blame Veach. I blame Clark for mandating the Peters trade.

I think Veach’s (and Sutton’s) plan for this year was to have Peters, Fuller and Nelson as the CB’s. Which would have probably been a damn fine group compared to what we got. Then Clark decided Peters was hurting his bottom line and stepped in last minute and mandated the trade leaving Veach scrambling to bolster the group.

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:33 am

I am Sutton passive-aggressive, but I tend to agree with Tony here.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:33 am

I’m so over the “let’s cry about the Peters situation” tactic. He’s gone and the CBs on the roster have played comparably to Peters. This team is not improved with Marcus on the roster.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:36 am

I’m not crying about it. I’m explaining what I think happened to cause us to suddenly have 3 slot CB’s starting in our secondary when Bob’s system has always called for taller CB’s.

But I do think you are absolutely wrong to suggest this defense wouldn’t be better with Peters.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:39 am

Didn’t mean to suggest you were crying about it. I feel it’s a crutch that gets in the way of actual problem solving.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:43 am

I’m just pointing to the way things happened, if you look at the timeline, as a possible explanation for why we suddenly have players that don’t appear to fit the scheme we’ve always ran.

I would be shocked if this offseason we don’t aggressively pursue CB’s that fit the mold of what we used to do via the draft and FA. I think our entire secondary was kind of a last minute attempt to patch something together. When your adding 2 starting pieces to your defense in Scandrick and Parker days before the start of the season that tells me things didn’t go the way we planned from a personnel standpoint.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:48 am

I agree with most of that. I’m still pissed at Veach for allowing all of those cheap FA safeties to get away. Mailed that one in, Brett. This team needs two CBs and two safeties…also two ILBs, an EDGE, and DT depth.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:56 am

Sooo…pretty much everything we needed for the last draft…

Slams head on desk.

A Lunar Ting
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:57 am

At least we got Dorian and Nnadi out of it I guess… (Speaks has been ok though, would like to see him after a full offseason)

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  A Lunar Ting
12/15/2018 10:58 am

Yeah, my fave 2 players in the draft by far.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:56 am

I think the except Dline and Berry, we gotta do house cleaning on D.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 10:58 am

I do expect a lot of changes on D next year.

Leaf
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 11:25 am

In fairness to BV, I think they have a long term plan in place and weren’t going to change that just because we exceeded expectations for the year.

tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:45 am

Without re-igniting the MP issue, I agree he was a good fit and made the defense better. Where we diverge is the Peters trade was in Feb and Veach et al had time to draft and sign others. With Scandrick bouncing from Dallas and Wash it surprises me KC thought “this is our guy.”

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 10:51 am

Scandrick was a last minute bandaid signed in Aug.

I don’t think we had the money to aggressively pursue a FA CB.

Leaf
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 11:27 am

And for a band aid, he hasn’t been that bad. Sure at times I want to choke him, but as a whole, or CBs haven’t been the biggest problem on defense.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 10:56 am

All roads lead to MP dude.

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 11:01 am

Exactly. How about we scheme to the talent we actually have instead of pretending players are interchangeable.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 10:23 am

Look at Andy Reids history. There is zero chance he fires his DC when the team is 11-3 and is currently the #1 seed.

tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:28 am

Mid season fires are crazy, no one should want that. But some new rotations and looks? I am all for that.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:30 am

I’m not asking for a mid-season fire. I’m expecting an off season change.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:33 am

Again. Look at Reids history with firing coaches. I don’t think its a remote possibility.

Besides, I think EB is going to lead this defense back to respectability and win us some games in the postseason, then maybe people will see that it was a personnel issue all along.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:35 am

I can’t agree. I can’t agree based on the fact that suddenly Fuller and Hitchens, in similar roles to their past seasons of successful play, suddenly forgot how to play football when they entered the Sutton Zone? Come on, man. Guys who have played at a high level don’t just forget how to do it.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:38 am

You are completely wrong if you think Hitchens and Fuller are in the same role as they were last year on other teams.

Fuller was the Slot CB in Wash, not the outside starter.

And Hitchens was Dallas’ version of Ragland, who had to be told which gap to hit every play and was only good because he didn’t have to diagnose the play.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:40 am

Somebody said somewhere( can’t remember …. forgive me I do this often). But if we switch ragtag and kitches, they WILL play better. Does this sound good?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 10:44 am

If by ‘switch’ you mean ‘never play Ragland again,’ yes that works.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:45 am

LOL, I didn’t mean that, but that’s like greatest idea ever.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 10:49 am

Thats a negatory.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:51 am

Are you now defending Ragland?

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:54 am

No god no.

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Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:55 am

Not sure how you came up with that. Just saying switching their roles would be a disaster, because Ragland is worse at reacting than Hitchens.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 11:00 am

Ah. It’s hard to read where replies belong when it gets crammed over to this side. I was hoping you were not because that would make me afraid for your sanity. Ragland needs to sit, Hitchens moves to Ragland’s role, and DOD plays alongside Hitchens.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 11:05 am

10-4

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 11:09 am

Bring DJ back in, for that Ragland role? Rags goes on IR with a broken attitude?

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  go_saleaumua
12/15/2018 11:21 am

That could work. Also promote Sutton to Asst head coach cum chief consultant? Someone else can play DC.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  go_saleaumua
12/15/2018 10:12 pm

Yes. Ragland can have a broken brain.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:53 am

Does that mean like we get to play two more (11+2) players? Shouldn’t KC get some discount about now? Cus the way we suck on defense?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:43 am

1) I said similar, not ‘the same.’ Hitchens has played Ragland’s spot (alongside DOD) in KC and the D has been improved in that situation. Yet, Sutton refuses to continue that trend. Hmm. Strange. Seems like he’s choosing to put guys in positions where they consistently fail.

2) Fuller plays mostly in the slot. Scandrick and Nelson are consistently on the outside.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:48 am

I’m not talking about “spots” I’m talking about roles. Hitchens role here is not the same as what he did in Dallas. In Dallas he was a soldier being told to shoot a particular gap, we are asking him to be a general and tell the soldiers where to shoot.

Fuller is our starting outside CB who also moves inside, but not exclusively, in nickel. But the fact remains he went from the #3 CB in Washington to the #1 CB in KC. He’s being asked to do a lot more than he was in Washington, so again its not the same role he excelled at in Wash.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:51 am

Sooo…what you’re saying is the failure is at the coaching level. The coaches have CHOSEN to ask these guys to do things they cannot and continue to ask those things of them. Copy.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:53 am

Coaches don’t sign the players. Veach does. Hitchens in particular is a very bad look for Veach, who went on record basically saying he’d been trying to acquire Hitchens for a while.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:55 am

I understand that. It is the responsibility of the coach to put players in a position to succeed. Obviously the KC defensive staff is not doing that.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:57 am

They’re put in the best position they can be put. They’re just not capable of doing what is needed.

Again, I think EB fixes a lot of that. So how about we see how the defense looks moving forward?

tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:57 am

In the scenario do you think we should have kept an aging DJ as the mentor/general to bring Hitch/Rags up to speed? Or forgo Hitchens and use DJ as the stopgap until younger players step up?

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 11:00 am

I can’t imagine DJ being worse than what we had this year. I think much like EB, what we’re missing is DJ’s leadership on the field getting people lined up.

Guys like DJ and EB have that ability to diagnose a play and know what the offense is going to do. Thats not a skill you see from very many players in the NFL, and something none of our current ILB’s or secondary players have.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 11:02 am

Agreed. At this point, I’m almost for bringing DJ back just to coach on the field.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 11:04 am

Same. But it won’t happen because if we bring DJ back at vet min its a bad look for Veach for giving Hitchens all that stupid money.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 11:08 am

Hitch’s effectiveness is a bad look for Veach, giving him all that stupid money. Either way BV needs to file that in the “don’t make this mistake again” file and move along…

I’d argue Rags needs to be benched for being Rags, perhaps put on IR for having a torn killer instinct tendon, and we bring 56 back in for pennies on the dollar.

To me, it makes Veach look better — this hole at ILB isn’t getting better, let’s plug the leak as best we can before the playoffs begin.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  go_saleaumua
12/15/2018 11:20 am

I whole heartedly agree, but by this point there doesn’t appear to be any chance that happens.

tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 11:03 am

We have reached full agreement and my coffee is gone. Another successful morning thread.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 11:03 am

My work here is done.

tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:52 am

“Had to be told” is my problem. At what level do players stop getting a pass? How long would we be employed if we had to be contiually told eaxactly how to do our jobs?

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 10:54 am

They absolutely need to be replaced. But if you don’t have a better replacement sometimes you just have to suffer through with what ya got.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  tecmo_sb35
12/15/2018 10:54 am

I would even won’t get COBRA benefits!

tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 11:01 am

COBRA prices make me want to live in a bubble and not need a Dr.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:31 am

Can he just upgrade Bob to like Asst. Head coach or like Chief consultant or something? And ask someone to take on smaller roles like DC? That’s like win-win all around. We that in corporate world all the time. That’s gotta make some people happy.

87t
87t
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:27 am

Week 14 and guys are wide open in the endzone on a 2 point try…yeah, someone should be fired by now. That is complete failure. I blame the scheme. They can no longer defend the endzone.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  87t
12/15/2018 10:34 am

I blame the players who suck.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:37 am

I blame the coaches. All we needed to see was Berry screaming at those guys who have played for 14 weeks to get them lined up. If the system is that difficult, that is not on the players. They are obviously not prepared…also on the coaches.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:41 am

+^100000

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:44 am

I don’t think system is that difficult. You go back to what you do best when in crunch time. I think it was cover 3 that was called. We play best in man to man. We called cover 3. 3 Fuckers covered like one charger WR. That’s like insane and rediculous at the same time. Looks like Bob’s playbook is out of this world.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 10:48 am

That is the very definition of a player breakdown.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 10:50 am

That only seems to happen in KC.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/15/2018 10:52 am

It happens to every team.

Leaf
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 11:32 am

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Leaf
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 11:14 am

I agree that Bob is somewhat handcuffed and he’s given probably a worse rap than deserved. But I still think he needs to go. Even with lack of talent, we shouldn’t be having the problems with communication, and blown assignments, we are having this late in the season. There’s obviously a problem with this defense besides talent.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 11:27 am

If someone had made even attempt to cover Williams, I would have been fine. But no one to cover fucking WR who just scored a TD? Unacceptable.

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Leaf
Reply to  RDD India
12/15/2018 11:06 am

Are you guys effing kidding me? The only thing reid had to do with that loss was keeping Bob as DC. How quickly people forget NE, when time was short and Reid passed. And no going for it on 4-3 on the wrong side of the field when you have the lead and time is against your opponent is simply stupid as fuck. You guys are using hindsight to justify a criticism of Reid when in fact he deserves very little criticism for the loss.

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 11:52 am

Disagree. We all know Offense is the overhwelming strength of this team.
When any game is on the line, the sensible play is to depend on your strength, not your weakness.
Did you really think the Defense was going to stop the Chargers? Did you think the Defense was going to stop the Patriots?

Leaf
Reply to  Chiefsfan115
12/15/2018 12:02 pm

With that logic, we should go for it on every fourth down. The offense can’t do everything, and expecting it to is asinine. And the defense, as bad as they were, child have had the stop had the refs not given the chargers new life multiple times. The call to put the defense out wasn’t wrong. Their execution, and the pack of blind al’s, were.

87t
87t
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 1:31 pm

We should go for it every 4th down…or almost. It’s poor coaching not to.

Leaf
Reply to  87t
12/15/2018 3:20 pm

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87t
87t
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 6:50 pm

Do the math and get back to me. Not my fault the NFL is caught in he stone age.

CJ_Spiller
CJ_Spiller
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 8:41 am

Completely changed my outlook on this team. I won’t be flying across the country to an Arrowhead playoff game, assuming they even play one there. Been burned too many times and Sutton is still the DC

Panzer85
Panzer85
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 9:20 am

You always find out who your real friends are when you’re having a bad time. We’re all a little shook, but we’re all here.

Rickrock58
Rickrock58
Reply to  Panzer85
12/15/2018 9:41 am

Be a clown friend for 30 years repeating your mistakes and burning your friends and see who sticks around you. There has to be consequences at some point or Noone learns nothing. Enabling is bad too.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
12/15/2018 9:45 am

That’s because we have to overcome the refs and also Sutton and also Reid’s moments of timidity and stupidity. If that isn’t enough we also now are without Hunt (ever again) and Fuller is gone for the season. We couldn’t beat teams like the Patriots and the Rams WITH those guys so I have no idea how we are going to pull it off without them. And apparently we can’t beat the very best teams in big games that really matter. So there’s that too I guess.

El_Duque86
El_Duque86
12/15/2018 8:03 am

Weird that there aren’t any highly rated KC LBs.

Who knew?

El_Duque86
El_Duque86
12/15/2018 8:02 am

Pretty cool move by Brees.

Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street
Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street
Reply to  El_Duque86
12/15/2018 8:20 am

Former Chiefs great Ben Grubbs is even getting one

Panzer85
Panzer85
Reply to  El_Duque86
12/15/2018 9:18 am

Here’s all:
“Look what I can do!”
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In all seriousness, Drew Brees is a class act that deserves all the hype he gets, on and off the field.

zulu trader
zulu trader
12/15/2018 7:43 am

1 day removed, the pain has dissipated a little. We are still in the playoffs — and F*** the seattle seachickens

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
12/15/2018 7:46 am

Good morning, Workingman. thanks for your effort, there is nothing like morning news with my java, thanks!

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread
12/15/2018 7:32 am

Make no mistake about it, KC has some trashy ass fans. It was one of us that started a brawl in the stands at Mike High also. Now we’re throwin beer cans at players..keepin it reeeal classy like.

So dumb. Mornin AG!

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread
Reply to  workingmansdead
12/15/2018 7:47 am

And just from a strategic standpoint.. Those guys are going to have that chip on their shoulder next time we see em, and the next time and the next time..

ChiefArrowhead
ChiefArrowhead
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/15/2018 9:25 am

I don’t think there’s any strategic point to the scenario. But that’s just me. I’m going to bet they have enough motivations without that.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/15/2018 7:42 am

Every fanbase has those folks, though. Every last one. Gotta keep that in mind.

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread
Reply to  go_saleaumua
12/15/2018 7:48 am

Yup. Some more than others.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  go_saleaumua
12/15/2018 8:37 am

This is what it boils down to. Unfortunately the 5% or whatever of the classless fans that every team has ends up being the ones who give the rest of us a bad name.

While I don’t think we’re anywhere near the worst place to attend a game (Cle, Phi, NE, Oak) we’re also no where near the best (Ind, GB, Hou) as far as being polite to visiting fans.

Leaf
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 11:39 am

Hou? Lmao. I know you are friends with the guys at BRB, but they aren’t that nice to everyone.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 12:07 pm

I meant going to a game in their stadium. The fans down there were super nice and welcoming.

Leaf
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 12:15 pm

I’ve never been to a game in Houston, so you might be right. I just haven’t had good luck meeting nice Houston fans in general.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  Leaf
12/15/2018 12:16 pm

I think things are generally worse on the internet than in real life.

Leaf
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/15/2018 1:21 pm

I get that. Like you said, it’s a small percentage that makes a fan base look bad, and on the internet it is defiantly worse. I know my experience with Houston fans in no way reflects on the fan base in its entirety.

asian_fetish
asian_fetish
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/15/2018 8:52 am

Apples and oranges IMO when you compare this to the Hill incident in Foxboro. The Chargers players ran halfway across the field immediately after the game was over to go taunt fans in the stands. Not defending those people, but only an idiot would think that they could do that without getting something thrown at them (at ANY stadium).

hatcreekcattlecmpny
hatcreekcattlecmpny
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/15/2018 12:15 pm

anybody who has ever been to a game at arrowhead knows theres nothing special about chiefs fans when it comes to behavior

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  hatcreekcattlecmpny
12/15/2018 12:27 pm

Man, I was at Gillette stadium courtesy Gillette company for the game when Pollard fucked Brady. The looks and hatred I saw ( for me, I am sure), made me ( I was rocking DJ jersey) even in club was insane. The exec commented that I should change it. We left early too.

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