Monday Night Open Thread: SI Dropped A Great Article On Veach’s Thought Process

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BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 10:23 pm

*Sigh* The price I pay for habitually considering what can’t be known, rather than just what I see is rather high, because folks don’t like the results of that thinking. “Well, stop doing it”, presuming I can flip it on and off like a switch, to me is the equivalent of blinding myself. If folks could selectively turn off their vision, how many would do so, just to get along with others better?

BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 9:37 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 9:48 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 10:12 pm
Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 8:22 pm

screw you two

Some QB’s would die to play in a QB and win 3 Conference championships

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 9:04 pm

And host 5 AFCCGs, too, along with multiple MVPs, season and SB, with likely one more to come. Who’re the talking heads this time?

Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 8:16 pm

quite confusing I keep seeing Chiefs in White with Red Pants

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 8:21 pm

I had a dream

The Chiefs snap to someone in the shotgun, a flip to someone in the backfield, and a perfect strike to WR Watson for a TD in the Super Bowl

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 10:42 pm

Not so far fetched. They ran, at least three times, a play where they hand it off, RB throws it back to Mahomes who fires it downfield. Only worked once, but it was very cool

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  NovaChiefs
02/06/2023 10:52 pm

And the benefit of running goofy plays, like Rose Bowl Parade and Snowglobe put the Eagles on notice now: No matter how they scheme to stop Mahomes, we’re likely to have a few plays that they aren’t ready for.

Besides, those are as much fun for the players to run as they are to watch, it makes them feel more involved and feel Reid gives them that extra measure of trust, unlike 31 other HCs in the league. Sure, these are intangibles, but so is the locker room culture he’s developed, and try saying intangibles don’t matter.

BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 8:14 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 9:03 pm
Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 8:10 pm

sorta wondering why the Eagles are going 1st as the HOME team?

pompano
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 8:19 pm

it alternates

Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 8:00 pm

These questions are more than stupid tonight

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 8:01 pm

That’s a super bowl tradition. a bunch of media that don’t have a clue get tickets to the super bowl and ask dumb questions.

BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 8:00 pm
pompano
02/06/2023 7:53 pm

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Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  pompano
02/06/2023 7:56 pm

I got nothing

but thank you Lord I am getting my Pension from some Newspaper not named that!

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:57 pm

The enquirer?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:58 pm

I don’t want to know.

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:58 pm

I saw that the tabloids all got sold today

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 8:03 pm

National Enquirer sold to venture led by former MoviePass executivePublished: Feb. 6, 2023 at 4:55 p.m. ET

Sudden
Reply to  pompano
02/06/2023 8:23 pm

Tom Araya of Slayer is a devout Catholic. Sam Smith is a product of mass media incapable of thinking about issues of deep cosmology and metaphysics between sessions of prolapsing

pompano
Reply to  Sudden
02/06/2023 8:32 pm

*satire

NovaChiefs
Reply to  pompano
02/06/2023 10:44 pm

Wait, that’s not really Satan in that picture?

MasterChief
Reply to  pompano
02/06/2023 10:18 pm

Then how do you explain the album “Testify” by Phil Collins?

NovaChiefs
Reply to  MasterChief
02/06/2023 10:45 pm

Or anything by Taylor Swift?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  NovaChiefs
02/06/2023 10:53 pm

Miley Cyrus?

NovaChiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 11:09 pm

Probably a better choice

Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:53 pm

so is Brady going to be the color guy in broadcasts or on a set for Fox pregame?

he could replace anybody on the fox pregame group….

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:55 pm

for what he’s getting paid, he may have to replace all of them.

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:57 pm

Tom never seemed to me to have any personality

might take him a couple of years to grow one?

BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 7:26 pm
MasterChief
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 10:20 pm

This guy (Reporting from Ukraine) is my first listen regarding the war. He’s clear, concise, and smart in his analysis.

Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:15 pm

so this is like a speed dating thing with all the players tonight

gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 7:15 pm

OOOO
I’m certain that Pete dude who runs arrowhead pride was given a set of free tickets

Since he’s media lol
Dude is a FUCKING GIANTS FAN

hoosierchief
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 7:17 pm

That alone tells you he doesnt know football.

zulu trader
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 7:17 pm

F**K pete sweeny

F**K ap

F**K SB Nation

hoosierchief
Reply to  zulu trader
02/06/2023 7:19 pm

you need to learn to vent your anger….get it off yer chest…

zulu trader
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:22 pm

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Sudden
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 8:25 pm

We just need to hack into the jumbotron to put the original Kwon graphic up after we win. Fun fact, I posted that Kwon on AP’s super bowl win thread after we beat the niners a few years ago.

zulu trader
02/06/2023 7:08 pm
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
02/06/2023 7:10 pm

I never see black people at the games

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  zulu trader
02/06/2023 7:11 pm

the Super Bowl?

gonzangkc11
Reply to  zulu trader
02/06/2023 7:13 pm

Too expensive for tons of peeps

I won’t pay those crazy prices
I’m CHEAP

zulu trader
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 7:15 pm

I don’t see them at college games either unless they are HBCU games

zulu trader
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 7:26 pm

Not just Super Bowl games, I’m talking about regular season

rip58
Reply to  zulu trader
02/06/2023 8:48 pm

That’s what the sign on the fronts for ….

Plus Name and Plus Name
02/06/2023 7:07 pm

I was just thinking about a hypothetical Chiefs oline with Darian Kinnard at LG and Dawand Jones at RT. (Jones is built like Orlando Brown) Obviously Thuney is better than Kinnard but can you imagine the sheer power of that oline? It would be the most massive oline in NFL history by a wide margin.

gonzangkc11
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
02/06/2023 7:11 pm

If Orlando wants a big $$ contract…we better NOT hear his game til. Post game interviews

Andrew Wylie RT been solid….just ONE more game. Andrew a FA as well

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 7:13 pm

The Eagles have 7? players left from their 2017 SB
the Chiefs 8? from 2019

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:15 pm

I think that says something – having turnover and doing it right is important. you simply can’t keep all the top level vets around with the cap issues.

Plus Name and Plus Name
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:18 pm

Having an elite GM is such a luxury. What Veach has done has largely gone unappreciated by many fans.

zulu trader
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
02/06/2023 7:19 pm

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Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
02/06/2023 7:20 pm

so far knock on wood none of our front office staff has been poached yet this year

zulu trader
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
02/06/2023 7:13 pm

you should be expert at that

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  zulu trader
02/06/2023 7:14 pm

Truth

but I am not thinking about Tackles tonight 🙂

Plus Name and Plus Name
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:16 pm

Just thinking about a fun hypothetical here. Kinnard is likely a backup for Trey Smith and I doubt the Chiefs actually draft Dawand Jones.

zulu trader
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
02/06/2023 7:18 pm

fun

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
02/06/2023 7:19 pm

made me think that actually Reid has been going bigger on the Oline for a few years now

Thuney is the outlier

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:22 pm

eventually they’ll get big enough that we can convert on a 3rd and one…

gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 7:03 pm

2/12

CHIEFS will win SB by 10+ points….maybe 14+ points

Just like I typed chiefs would beat 49ers in SB by 10+ points.

hoosierchief
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 7:05 pm

I agree. I think it will be like the old school super bowl games where its a blowout. The means they’ll try to show all the good commercials in the first half.

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:07 pm

The Chiefs will not be on the receiving end of a blowout

gonzangkc11
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:09 pm

Lol lol true

Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 6:58 pm

time for the ESPN Super Bowl show 🙂

Geaux Chiefs

BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 6:33 pm

“In the summer of 2020, amid a mountain of uncertainty spurred on by the pandemic, they put the finishing touches on the 10-year, $450 million accord that could reach a half billion in total value. The deal was criticized. Mahomes and Cabott were pummeled for taking it. But it was done with purpose, to allow the Chiefs to plan ahead and continue to put championship rosters around their star quarterback.”

From the SI article, and we were likely among the first to figure out that it wouldn’t take long until cap inflation would make his annual cap hit reasonable, and he’s already being “underpaid”, since there are lesser talents earning more per year. It’s a long read, but a good one. Still, for those who can’t spare the time to read it, the piece states that Team Veach decided to structure it like an MLB contract, in hope that it would appeal to Pat Mahomes’ son. It certainly wasn’t going to hurt that Dad would have a feel for it, from his playing days.

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 6:39 pm

We all know the Chiefs will fix the contract when it is needed with Mahomes agreement of course

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:38 pm

I’m not so certain that he’ll be demanding a huge pay bump any time soon. Yes, NFL contracts tend to work that way, but Mahomes’ one is modeled after MLB contracts, and those don’t get negotiated upward in the middle of the term, generally speaking. Practically speaking, he’s got a fully-guaranteed NFL contract.

That, and Patrick may prefer to stick to the contract so Veach can keep him surrounded with high-quality talent. Did he want big money? Sure, but he’s making generational wealth every season, and he doesn’t feel the need for the team to pay him more to show he’s “respected”, not that I can see. I’ve been saying it for years now, the kid wants to go down as one of the all-time Greats, and he knows that he won’t achieve his legacy by chewing up cap space.

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 7:43 pm

Well the Chiefs have adjusted Kelce’s contract to bring him up as needed to true value for his position…

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:57 pm

I’d argue that he’s actually underpaid for his performance, and the bumps he’s getting have been as part of cap-friendly extensions, esp when the team needs some space.

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 8:08 pm

The Chiefs did not have to do those deals

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 10:23 pm

But did they want to do those deals, or have to? Our view of cap space is very different from Team Veach’s, and per Tony’s article, they started planning long-term from the get-go. Just because they didn’t “need” to do it at the time doesn’t mean they weren’t trying to stay ahead of things with such a move.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/06/2023 7:48 pm
gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 5:50 pm

Super Bowl 2023: Tickets are hot for Chiefs vs. Eagles. Can they beat historic 2015 price of Patriots-Seahawks? Get in — price enters Monday at about $6,000…
..
I know (6) Chiefs season ticket holders & each have had season tickets for 30 years. NONE have ever been KC Chiefs lotto selected for Super Bowl Tickets. Each of them is upset & sad. Life Goes On
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I did a little research.
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Chiefs & Eagles were both allocated 17.5% of SB tix. So, ONLY 17.5% of Arrowhead stadium season tix holders will get LOTTO selected: 13,372 get selected.
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If memory serves…..out of the 13,372 — 2 tix goto EACH Chiefs staff member (janitor to office to any Chiefs staff member). Also, each Chiefs player gets 4 tix or more.
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MAYBE 6,000 Chiefs season tix holder – get LOTTO selected.

Remaining FACE VALUE SB tix are allocated this way:

  • host NFL team gets 5% of tix (in this case – Arizona Cardinals)
  • all other NFL teams get 34.8% of tix
  • NFL gets 25.2% of tix (to give away to sponsors and SHIT like that)
hoosierchief
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 6:39 pm

As expensive as they are, they may as well offer them to people that can afford them!

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 6:41 pm

those people get them for free

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 6:44 pm

well, Wtf – I wonder where mine is!

hoosierchief
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 6:49 pm

so… where to the tickets come from that Ticketmaster is selling?

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 6:53 pm

Beyonce?

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:00 pm

maybe from the Broncos trying to pay off Russell Wilson’s contract.

gonzangkc11
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:05 pm

Peeps that either got free sb tix OR selected for chiefs season tix holder tix

Peeps try to sell to make TONS of $##

hoosierchief
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:08 pm

Actually, if you think about it, at the start of the season the AFC west was the QB mecca. now half the division is wishing they could unload their qb’s.

zulu trader
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:10 pm

hahaha

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  zulu trader
02/06/2023 7:28 pm

Do Raiders Pray

cause no one is going to give anything in trade for Carr

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 7:29 pm

The Colts may give them a pokemon card.

hoosierchief
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 6:55 pm

sounds like the season ticket lotto is rigged.

gonzangkc11
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:05 pm

😔

hoosierchief
Reply to  gonzangkc11
02/06/2023 6:55 pm

makes me wonder if being the Chiefs janitor is one of the more desirable jobs in the country!

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 6:57 pm

probably since the Pioli years 🙂

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
02/06/2023 6:58 pm

yeh – getting super bowl tix wasn’t much of a perk those years!

gonzangkc11
Reply to  hoosierchief
02/06/2023 7:06 pm

True

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