Making The Case: The New WR Room

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It’s being said that the Chiefs’ air attack’s going to suffer without Hill, but is that the case? Let’s consider.

I’ve been considering this since Hill left, and tonight I’m gonna talk about it, but first, there’s an older “making the case” video, and I like Adogg, so let’s start here.

So, what do I mean? Let’s put it this way; a team composed entirely of #2 in the NFL talents would clean the clocks of every other team. Normally, this can’t happen, but if every player on the team’s equal to everyone else in the league aside from those few #1s, you have a definitive advantage against teams that depend on a handful of #1s, simply because you’re better everywhere else.

So what does this mean in this case? Let’s face it, Hill’s a unique talent, the likes of which the league has never seen, but that doesn’t mean we lack for proven talent. Let’s posit that every vet WR in our room right now is only a borderline #1 WR. OK, that means that every true #1 CB in the NFL can smother any one of them, theoretically. Ouch, or is it?

OK, your top CB can lock down (more or less) any of our WRs, but what about the rest? Let’s face it, Kelce still demands extra coverage, so presuming a coverage Nickle, you’ve lost a DB and at least one Safety, and we’re presuming that there’s one LB staying home and three rushers. In LB vs Kelce, I’m betting on Kelce, every game, every LB. That leaves five DBs for coverage.

If the math problem isn’t already obvious, that leaves four other receivers you have to cover, with one to spare. So, presuming that your #1 can smother our #1, the question becomes who else do you double? OK, double our about-as-good #2 with your #3 and #4, and hope the scheme holds up, and leave your #2 on our #3, but what if our #3 is about as good as our low-end #1, too? Can your #2 DB cover our “#2” WR?

Furthermore, you know Reid’s going to exploit every special skill that each one has, and is an offensive mastermind. Still think you can field a good passing D? Think you can lock down Kelce with two, pick your poison with Hardman and the Hyphens, plus be able to beat Reid’s gameplan? OK, but we also have a talented set of rookies, and can your #3 or worse cover them? Think of that like an opposing DC, and start having nightmares, just as soon as you realize that our QB can spread the ball around. There are no good answers.

Finally, let’s remember that the scenario is a pass-coverage snap, stacked in the D’s coverage favor. With our newly-stout OL, Mahomes will have time to pick the coverage apart, and if one of your guys makes a mistake or isn’t up to it, you lose. Instead of asking ‘who else demands double coverage’, the question becomes who do you need to double, and can you get away with it elsewhere?

To me, it’s a matter of focusing on the wrong thing, to the expense of all else, but what say you?

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Doughboy66
Doughboy66
07/21/2022 12:53 pm

Great read BRaG, favorite part “the Hyphens” 🤣 great nickname if they back it up

ChiefDog
07/19/2022 5:18 pm
probablyamistake
probablyamistake
07/19/2022 12:24 pm

I’m in wait and see mode. Hill could break an entire secondary. We don’t have that now, but we still have Patrick.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/19/2022 12:42 pm

Hill was absolutely the 2nd most entertaining player in kc history

ChiefDog
Reply to  zulu trader
07/19/2022 5:15 pm

Skyy’s the limit. That dude might never be Tyreek, but at least he’s got hands- catches everything. Great potential (borderline) #1 as BRaG would say.

rip58
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/19/2022 1:36 pm

I believe we do …

Stats. Valdes-Scantling’s 22.09 mph was also the fastest speed recorded by a receiver dating back to 2019 when Mecole Hardman’s 21.87 mph led all receivers.Jul 1, 2022

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  rip58
07/19/2022 1:49 pm

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ChiefDog
Reply to  Nasrani
07/19/2022 5:01 pm

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Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  ChiefDog
07/19/2022 5:16 pm

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probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  rip58
07/19/2022 3:43 pm

Stats? Ok Rip 😉

rip58
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/19/2022 3:52 pm

My glass is always full ,

ChiefDog
Reply to  rip58
07/19/2022 4:59 pm

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rip58
07/19/2022 12:18 pm

I think this is just a continuation of how the offense was changing last year. I think this will be a great opportunity for everyone. That and also a running game , ain’t no one stopping this train !!!!
All……Aboard…….

rip58
07/19/2022 12:13 pm
rip58
Reply to  rip58
07/19/2022 12:13 pm

Brought a tear to my eye… way to go chiefs

ChiefDog
Reply to  rip58
07/19/2022 5:08 pm

same

NovaChiefs
07/19/2022 12:02 pm

Options. Having them and using them.
With Hill, he and Kelce sucked the air out of the WR balloon by being SO good that if they had any chance, you gave it to them. If Hill was on a route, Patrick naturally looked for him first, then Kelce, then somebody else. I don’t know that I’d call it a safety blanket, but I think every QB would do the same. Missing an open Hill is missing 6 points.
Now, and this is as much theory as hope, Mahomes will need to see the entire field and options, which should lead to more chances for the other guys. Can they make the most of those chances? None of them are just guys hanging on. All have real skills and have shown them.
Opposing D’s could safely key on Hill or Kelce, and not worry so much about the others. Now, that’s not gonna work because the “others” are the guys Mahomes will be looking for. If they can get some separation, this could be a big move forward.
If not, well, let’s hope the running game clicks.

B-Ball isn’t my thing, but Bird and Jordan were totally different players. I don’t think you can really argue against either as the GOAT. But there’s also West, Chamberlain, Russell, Cousey….

upamtn
07/19/2022 11:53 am

1) the O-Line is more suited for Run Blocking, and no doubt (or hopefully) Reid will take advantage of that

2) we shall see how it goes with the WR’s overall … plenty of talent but one never knows how it will translate to actual games (and no: practice doesn’t count)

3) yes, Larry Bird just MAY have been The GOAT (so many incredible players, and the whole GOAT thing, in pretty much any sport or whatever, is subjective)

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  upamtn
07/19/2022 12:22 pm

No, Bird isn’t the GOAT. Great player, but Magic was better. Jordan was better than both.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/19/2022 1:58 pm

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NovaChiefs
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/19/2022 2:07 pm

Recency bias.
Older players played more within the team framework and excelled.
Magic and Bird did.
Jordan, not so much. He was the team. Everyone else just tried not to screw up

upamtn
Reply to  NovaChiefs
07/19/2022 4:52 pm

in re: files … got ’em, thank you! 🙂

NovaChiefs
Reply to  upamtn
07/19/2022 5:52 pm

Thanks for letting me know. Enjoy? 😉

upamtn
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/19/2022 2:08 pm

both Magic and Jordan had, IMO, better supporting players around them than Bird … but again, it’s all subjective (ie, opinion) and yes, all of them (and so, so, so many others) were awesome players

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  upamtn
07/19/2022 3:45 pm

Jordan had a better supporting cast? Seriously? All he had was Pippen and a bunch of jags. You’re funny sometimes. 😁

rip58
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/19/2022 3:50 pm

Rodman

rip58
Reply to  rip58
07/19/2022 3:54 pm

I don’t know he had some great players with him ..

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bulls/top-10-michael-jordan-teammates

Let me drop some more Stats….🧐

rip58
Reply to  rip58
07/19/2022 4:37 pm

Pam, hello , hello …….. 😝

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  rip58
07/19/2022 6:20 pm

Hello Ripster. Refer to response above. 😁

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  rip58
07/19/2022 6:20 pm

Forgot about that headcase. Other than him yeah, a bunch of jags.

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