Into The Afternight: Our 3rd Shift O/T

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If you’re still up and want to talk Chiefs, or just hang with fellow citizens of the Kingdom, this is the place.

The Royals are clinging to a newfound 1-run lead, but will they keep it?

We’ll know before long. Enjoy your afternoon!

With that, time’s yours.

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upamtn
06/26/2022 10:51 pm

alright kids, I am outta here like rice under the bridge … and because I identify as a liberal libertarian, you know which way I’m a roll

pompano
06/26/2022 10:11 pm
upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:05 pm
pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:15 pm

shhh….enjoy it while it lasts….
😎

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:44 pm

I am surprised in the 2nd largest municipality in Jackson County Missouri

that Lee’s Summit MO allows FUCK to be posted on the front of a house

sad but true

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:45 pm
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:45 pm

I wonder why?

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:51 pm

wtf???

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:56 pm

I called the non 911 number

it is legal so the dispatcher told me, she could send a car over but for what?

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:59 pm

wow, just wow

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:06 pm

FUCK on a sign in the neighborhood

like 4 foot by 5 foot

so we have to produce children to live in this? Why do you think american women of means not have children?

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:13 pm

hey, watch your fucking language … this is a FAMILY bar and we have HIGH STANDARDS

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:20 pm

I did not say he could not express his opinion

FUCK should not be allowed as part of it

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:21 pm

this is the Trump effect

desenticizing humans to what is acceptable behavior in public

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:22 pm

used to be that language like that was meant and used for “shock effect” … now it’s all too common and the shock value is pretty much almost nil

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 10:24 pm

for public aka children consumption should be a line

I see it all the time on dumbass Mofo’s bumper stickers

we wonder why America has gone to hell

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:33 pm

you have adult children. The one’s with young ones now might not give a fuck,

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 10:37 pm

I have grandchildren

5 and 8 So I should just say whatever when the say Fuck this shit?

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:42 pm

not unless you are ok with it, which you are not.
rules of the house no F&#*

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:23 pm

it’s legal most places, has been for quite a while.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 10:35 pm

had no idea that society had sunk to the level of trump

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:38 pm

not ALL of society … fortunately

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:38 pm

he’s not the cause, just the manifestation of the last 3 + decades coming to a head just n time for social media to be a thing.

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:39 pm

LOL. You cant blame all bad behavior on trump. Even if the whole sign say FJB. Didnt ol Bob DeNiro stand on stage on national TV shouting ” Fuck Trump!” He did, is the answer. Just saying, there is always somebody gonna act a fool

upamtn
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 10:46 pm

he didn’t “blame” trump … he was using trump as an example of the worst societal standards possible

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 10:53 pm

The Trump effect pretty much sounds like blaming trump or anyone that supported him. I am just saying we are all assholes on both sides. Now this shitty economic down turn…… all Joe and you liberals fault 😀

pompano
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 11:03 pm

asshole 👍

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:25 pm

FUCK?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:48 pm

please do

since whatever i said means nada anyway

what i say here is not on the front of my house

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:52 pm

BRaG, don’t even DREAM about it

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:54 pm

so just asking

I can put up nazi signage in my front yard and the city can’t do anything?

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:58 pm

I believe so, assholes do.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:25 pm

and you wonder why assholes make you job so difficult?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:18 pm

fine

you can live in filth or you can choose not too

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:18 pm

I expect my city to not allow this

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:20 pm

seems like you expect too much

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 10:21 pm

I shall wonder over to city hall tomorrow

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:28 pm

at the least you should have the right to paint over it … “rights” are almost never absolute

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:47 pm

with freedom comes responsibility

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 11:06 pm

Banning new sales is not confiscation, Obama did it, mass events dropped, it expired, they rose.
maybe cause and effect, maybe not (it was)

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:53 pm

it’s fuzzy because it’s poorly worded. Some Essays and papers by the framers explicitly said limitations/restrictions were intended/implied.

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:27 pm

now, see … this is how it’s REALLY fucked up: for Steve to be not offended, he has to move from where he’s lived for years … but what if he can’t AFFORD to move? you’re saying that others have a constitutional right to offend him …

I call BS on that: his rights begin where someone else’s rights end (example: I hate, loathe and detest fools who play amped up music, esp thumping bass, so loudly that their car vibrates and my house vibrates … by your so-called high standards, I HAVE to put up with it … I disgree, and if he can “legally” annoy the fuck outta me, then I should be able to “legally” shoot the shit outta his car stereo)

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 10:30 pm

many places have noise ordinances (if ever enforced)

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 10:35 pm

if I say that the guy scared me and I was in fear of my life, can I use Heller v DC as a legal defense?

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:42 pm

again, as I mentioned somewhere, compromise … a lost art

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:43 pm

well I called the cops

had no idea that the world is this fuckeed

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:45 pm

Steve … the world is fucked … fucked right up and not just here in America (although we ARE setting a pretty fucking bad example for the REST of the world)

upamtn
06/26/2022 9:39 pm

is it bad of me that I want Putin to something-almost-anything that would “legally” allow US and NATO to bomb the holy shit outta Russia?

drop a pencil in a NATO country … that would technically be enough, right

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:42 pm

if he dropped dead

I wonder what his country would do?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 9:51 pm

maybe a smarter guy would unroll all the crap Putin created

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:03 pm

maybe it WASN’T natural causes

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 10:17 pm

(Fake in Russian) Pravda?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:03 pm

he might live?

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:37 pm

A smarter person would see the war is a disaster for their country and would ruthlessly connive their way into pulling out and rebuilding their military and economy.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 9:52 pm

a land war in Asia….

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 9:53 pm

maybe … but I’d like to think that we’d just Top Gun ’em overnight

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:57 pm

with 2-3 naval fleets in the black sea we would cream them

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:02 pm

sadly true … unless someone drops that pencil in NATO territory

EAFOX
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 10:04 pm

KC Chief turned bombadier (Mecole Hardman) is ready to drop some bombs on Russia.

upamtn
Reply to  EAFOX
06/26/2022 10:09 pm

ISWYDT

EAFOX
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:56 pm

Nuke the bastards!!!!

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 9:59 pm

My baby sister was right

Zepplin rules

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 10:01 pm

Then collect all the guns and lock them up and make our schools safe again.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
06/26/2022 10:12 pm
upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 10:15 pm

comment image

upamtn
Reply to  EAFOX
06/26/2022 9:57 pm

that’s what I’m sayin’! 😉

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:22 pm

zepplin, Floyd, or the who?

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:25 pm

yes, please

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:28 pm

I was my skinniest when this came out

working and school and some beer and speed

I was also pretty fucked up, a few months in basic training in San Antonio fixed me all up 🙂

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:29 pm

you survived … proud of ya, son

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:33 pm

you never know till ya make it through that you were a mess

I had no idea how bad my oldest was till he told me, I stood with him and fought with him but he knew he had someone to rely on 🙂 whatever it was

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:35 pm

you’re a good man, Steve … a terrible speller, but a good man indeed

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:37 pm

blind typing

I blame myself, Mrs Brewer did the best she could

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:38 pm
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:39 pm

it;s been awhile but I can still remember the way you taste

love you Denise

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:03 pm

what a beautiful day today 🙂

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:07 pm
upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:26 pm

what happened to Floyd?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:30 pm

seems the crazies

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 9:15 pm

it is 🙂

we should just enjoy life and the upcoming Chiefs dominance of the NFL!

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:34 pm

FIFY

we should just enjoy life and the upcoming continued Chiefs dominance of the NFL

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 9:25 pm

love Travis Tritt

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 9:42 pm

Steve, I absolutely agree with you 😀

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:42 pm

Okay guys. I think we are getting to the part where we end up just talking in circles. I hope I stated my feelings eloquently without demeaning the others with opposing views.

I am done talking gun control for the evening. Here is a song from the band I saw in concert last night.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:47 pm

which begs the question: just how good WAS Ezra?

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:49 pm

and yes, you were both eloquent AND polite

pompano
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:58 pm

that’s what happens, it’s like a bar convo, not a debate.
at least we get a deeper understanding of the other side, if listening.
no one argument changes minds, it’s cumulative.

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 9:02 pm

yup

me, I’m all for limiting abortions but I’m also in favor of gun restrictions (compromise, a lost art it seems)

pompano
06/26/2022 8:35 pm

Interesting thread

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:36 pm

50 ways to leave your diver?

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:39 pm

skipped the intro, YW

Last edited 1 month ago by pompano
upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 8:09 pm

what if you want a vacation WITHOUT working?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:25 pm

Run for Congress

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:29 pm

run for president

you can steal without legal issues it seems

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
06/26/2022 7:28 pm

Wow, wow wow….. its its its…… an an an…… echo echo echo …….chamber chamber…. in in in…. here here. Same lame anti 2nd amendment arguments

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 7:31 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 7:34 pm

You rang?

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 7:51 pm

Followed by the same lame 2nd defenses
Your point?

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 8:32 pm

to me, the 2nd Amendment WITHOUT the “well regulated militia” part IS a cherry-picked factoid … IMO

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:40 pm

what was the american army at that time?

Soldiers in the Continental Army were volunteers; they agreed to serve in the army and standard enlistment periods lasted from one to three years. Early in the war the enlistment periods were short, as the Continental Congress feared the possibility of the Continental Army evolving into a permanent army. The army never numbered more than 48,000 men overall and 13,000 troops in one area.



steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:42 pm

What was the size of the U.S. Army before ww2?
David Woolner wrote that in June 1939, which was three months before England declared war on Germany, “the roughly 180,000-man U.S. Army ranked 19th in the world–smaller than Portugal’s!”Jun 13, 2014

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:42 pm

and what happened was that the Continental Army was the precursor for the US Army, and the State Militias were the beginnings of the National Guard

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:43 pm

yep as planned by the constitution

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:44 pm

A large permanent standing national army was not a thing until post WWI.
for many reasons, it’s all terribly complicated

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:45 pm

life is complicated

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:47 pm

How big was the Japanese army in 1939?
The Japanese Imperial Army grew from 1.5 million men in 1939 to 5.5 million men by the end of the war.

How big was the German Army before ww2?
The total number of soldiers who served in the Wehrmacht during its existence from 1935 to 1945 is believed to have approached 18.2 million. The German military leadership originally aimed at a homogeneous military, possessing traditional Prussian military values.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 6:52 pm
upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 7:25 pm

Mott the Hoople (original version) was better … IMO

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 7:36 pm

Great suns of Saturn. I thought I was the only one around here who had ever heard of Mott the Hoople…

Seems I’m not the only one into not-so-well-known classic rock.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Nasrani
06/26/2022 7:44 pm
upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 7:44 pm

All The Way To Memphis!

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 7:52 pm

Bowie tune

upamtn
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/26/2022 7:57 pm

I didn’t know that … it was indeed: written for Mott the Hoople after they turned down Suffragette City

upamtn
Reply to  Nasrani
06/26/2022 7:44 pm

pffffffffft … I’m old too, yanno

upamtn
06/26/2022 5:51 pm

to be fair and historically accurate, one of the first pointed or “bullet-shaped” bullets was designed by Captain John Norton of the British Army in 1823 (it wasn’t accepted by the British Board of Ordnance

The soft lead bullet that came to be known as the Minié ball, (or minnie ball) was first introduced in 1847 by Claude Étienne Minié (1814? – 1879), a captain in the French Army

nonetheless, the point made below is still valid (if one accepts a strict originalist approach to the constitution)

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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 7:28 pm

Also, a militia should be able to have weapons equal to the military they want to be able to defend themselves from.

If the national guard comes onto my property with an AR-15 in hand, I would like the ability to have equal firepower.

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 7:34 pm

This is why the second amendment, the founders didnt just get back from a hunting trip, they just fough a war with their, until then, government for the freedom of this country

upamtn
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 7:43 pm

true, but they also did NOT want everyone to have a gun all the time … you HAD to serve to have a gun

there were also laws in some states limiting the amount of ammunition and gun-powder one could own

as for concealed carry, Ohio’s law stated: “whoever shall carry a weapon or weapons, concealed on or about his person, such as a pistol, bowie knife, dirk, or any other dangerous weapon, shall be deemed guilty.”

The 2nd Amendment is all well and good, but you can’t cherry-pick PART of it and leave out the REST … then too, if one goes the route of “originalism” then Blacks are not true citizens and not allowed to own guns, nor are women

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 7:47 pm

The laws could be construed as unconstitutional though. The founding fathers knew the only way to keep the country free was to have a way for the citizens to defend themselves.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 7:49 pm

yes … a well regulated militia

every Tom, Dick and Harry owning a gun is NOT a well regulated militia

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 7:49 pm

from the native americans we were stealing the land from?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 7:50 pm

or the French, Spanish….

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 7:50 pm

and lying to

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 7:56 pm

When discussing different opinions, call everyone a racist that is on the differing opinion right?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 7:58 pm

not rascist

is was called imminent domain

still is

upamtn
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 7:59 pm

no one was called racist …

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:25 pm

No one was talking about native americans either

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 8:28 pm

so what was the discuaaion?

i get down in these threads and don’t realize that some have no idea what is history?

pompano
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 8:32 pm

So You Admit It!!!
😃

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:34 pm

Admit what?

pompano
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 8:53 pm

*either*
just a grammer jab in jest, hence 😃i hate using it

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:58 pm

I’ll allow it 🤣

pompano
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 9:03 pm

comment image

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 9:28 pm

If I ever write “for all intensive purposes” please ban me

upamtn
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 9:28 pm

LOL

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 8:34 pm

I am citizen of the United States of America. I have never committed a felony, I pay taxes, and I vote.
I would argue that makes me well regulated. Severly

Native Americans owned the land

discussions take on a life of their own

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:39 pm

I just see it as diversion, off topic and not to do with the subject. We can talk about the terrible things that were done to native americans, and most likely agree on all of that. Most of the atrocities that happened to them were after the bill of 1776

upamtn
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 8:46 pm

fair and true, as far as it goes … to return to what SC said: the founding fathers wanted to make sure that OUR OWN Continental Army wasn’t used against any one state … as of now we HAVE an army AND state national guards … so how is everyone owning a gun relevant to that?

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:51 pm

Heller changed it all.

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:55 pm

true, but it was a flawed decision (IMO)

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:58 pm

worse is that the current SC is saying that states CAN limit certain things (like abortion) BUT can NOT limit gun rights … that’s hypocrisy at its finest

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:01 pm

2A is in the const. Abortion and many other “rights” are implied by it are implied by it, little different.

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 9:02 pm

yup

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:03 pm

I have to say, when you keep using “SC” I kept reading that to mean Severely Concussed. So you were making no sense. I have figured out you meant SCOTUS instead

upamtn
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 9:04 pm

yes

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:06 pm

Just pointing out my confusion, not yours 🤣

upamtn
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 9:28 pm

all good

pompano
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 8:50 pm

which they were not a party to, they were a party to many broken treaties tho

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 7:56 pm

That is a great example of why we need equal firepower. The Native Americans didn’t lose because they weren’t brave, smart, or outnumbered.

They brought knives to a gunfight.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 7:59 pm

they shouldn’t have had to be in that gunfight

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:00 pm

Custer sadly found out what happens when you fight fairly

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:03 pm

I can’t rewrite history. I also don’t understand why I need to feel guilt for something that every nation around the world has been built on.
Mexico was also conquered by European countries, but they don’t get the same grief the US does.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:05 pm

No intent to place blame for anything

just a reminder that happened

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:09 pm

… and a reminder that our founding fathers weren’t angelic saints by any measure

nobody is suggesting that anyone living now is “guilty” of what happened way back when, but everyone should acknowledge that this country was not and is not “perfect”

justice for all should mean just that, equality should be … equal (for everyone)

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:14 pm

we should strive to do better

not repeat the same damn shit our fathers and grandfathers did

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:15 pm

also wreck’d

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:17 pm

but it’s worked for soooo looong…
*need sarcasm font*

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:24 pm

WELL IT DID NOT

look at where we are

saving unborns and allowing mass shootings of living humans

pompano
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:05 pm

not from us, true. opinions in MX may vary.

pompano
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:09 pm

it’s more a need to feel empathy for the victims, and you should feel bad it happened, not personal guilt.

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:11 pm

this^^^

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:12 pm

exactly

SC would be the 1st on the line defending his native village from blue coats troops

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:14 pm

I would feel shame if our current military invaded a country unprovoked to increase our world footprint (like Russia is doing).

And honoring Native American culture today is something I fully support.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:15 pm

wreck’d

pompano
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:02 pm

They actually had more repeating firearms than the army units many times.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 7:35 pm

to be fair, the National Guard is “the militia” as stated in the 2nd Amendment … A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

As it pertained to gun ownership, the right to bear arms was inextricably connected to the citizen’s obligation to serve in a militia and to protect the community from enemies domestic and foreign.

Back then it was considered civic duty to be in a state militia … the Pennsylvania state constitution literally said: “The freemen of this commonwealth and their sons shall be trained and armed for its defence under such regulations, restrictions, and exceptions as the general assembly shall by law direct.” (IOW, all able-bodied white males were REQUIRED to serve in the state militia)

And yet, none other than James Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights, twice introduced state legislation in Virginia that would impose penalties on any individual who “bear[s] a gun out of his inclosed ground, unless whilst performing military duty.”

IOW, the states had the authority to penalize a gun-owner who was NOT acting as part of a well-trained militia

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 7:42 pm

The people that think the 2nd amendment is currently wrong, also believe the government always acts in the best interests of their citizens.

The government is only interested in controlling its population, and every freedom they strip away makes me feel like we are closer to pre-Constitution America than the country I grew up in.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 7:46 pm

LOL … if the gummint always acted in the best interests of “the people” CU wouldn’t have passed

so, you’re “ok” with 100% whatever gun ownership with no restrictions … are you also “ok” with abortions?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 7:53 pm

I am okay with gun ownership for all law abiding citizens.

I believe abortions are an individual choice.

And to save time.

I am fine with gay marriage, interracial couples, and sexual contraception.

I don’t pick and choose personal freedoms.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 7:58 pm

fair ’nuff sir

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 7:54 pm

I am coming around to the actual process

if it is an amandement or originally included ok that works
if not
those wanting it need to make it happen in the voting booth

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 7:43 pm

Hmmmm…….. dont care. That is not the way it is. I get to own, keep and bear my legally obtained firearms af all kinds and live with the peace of knowing a bunch of babies didnt get sucked into pieces

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 7:53 pm

Which militia are you part of?

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/26/2022 7:56 pm

Your moms

upamtn
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 8:01 pm

thank you for your significant contribution to the current discussion at hand, your wisdom shall be long remembered

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:29 pm

My pleasure, ask stupid questions get stupid answers

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Doughboy66
06/26/2022 8:20 pm

Isn’t it past your bedtime? Need to be tucked in?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/26/2022 7:59 pm

I am citizen of the United States of America. I have never committed a felony, I pay taxes, and I vote.

I would argue that makes me well regulated.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:00 pm

I’ll almost buy that

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:02 pm

But he would have a firefight with the state Military Guard?

for what purpose?

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:03 pm

no earthly clue … why would they go after him?

that said, my money’s on National Guard vs Concussed

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:07 pm

I hope he meets a good militia and not the guys at Kent State

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:10 pm

well, if he goes up against the guys at Uvalde he has a chance

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:13 pm

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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:16 pm

Good lord Ups.

I do wish I had a chance to meet those chickenshits though.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:17 pm

I hear ya … that was a shitshow that should NEVER have gone down like that

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:18 pm
Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 8:08 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:10 pm

an Alien hunter invasion

do you have nuclear weopans too?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:19 pm

Wrong movie. And no nukes.

I also am just defending the 2nd ammendment freedom for everyone. I do not currently own any guns, because they make my wife nervous with kids in the house.

But that is my choice, not the government’s.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:21 pm

damn

I dont’t have those restictions anymore

maybe I need to arm up since my neighbor is an asshat?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/26/2022 8:22 pm

Maybe I can teach the dog to fire a claymore?

pompano
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:21 pm

I’m assuming the choice and # of weapons is open ended?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 8:23 pm

I know of no reason why I should have limits placed on me.

pompano
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:26 pm

w/o regulation?

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/26/2022 8:21 pm

Argue all you want. You still aren’t part of a Militia.

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 7:29 pm

perhaps, but if “originalism” is what Alito, et al are relying on as a basis for their decisions (as they claim) then the question becomes: Should a 21st century society really interpret its Constitution by the standards of 1787 — an era before the introduction of semi-automatic weaponry, steam power, penicillin, automobiles, cars, planes trains, electric lights, the internet, cellphones and indoor plumbing?

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 9:19 pm

would different technology not have informed different decisions.
Imaging writing the const if the industrial age had started…

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 9:27 pm

imagine writing it NOW

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 9:57 pm

So many amendments

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/26/2022 9:27 pm

IOW you can’t legislate morality … I agree

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
06/26/2022 4:47 pm

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pompano
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/26/2022 5:01 pm

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upamtn
Reply to  pompano
06/26/2022 5:31 pm

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upamtn
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 5:41 pm

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rip58
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 5:51 pm
NovaChiefs
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06/26/2022 6:36 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/26/2022 6:41 pm
NovaChiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/26/2022 6:39 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/26/2022 6:41 pm
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Nasrani
06/26/2022 6:50 pm
rip58
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/26/2022 7:23 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  rip58
06/26/2022 7:24 pm
NovaChiefs
Reply to  rip58
06/26/2022 6:44 pm
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NovaChiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 6:36 pm

My favorite priest

upamtn
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/26/2022 5:22 pm

thank you!

larch
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/26/2022 5:56 pm

The Residential School system up here which has caused such harm to the indigenous communities was in part supported and maintained by Christ’s church. Having apologized to native leaders who visited him in Rome earlier this year, Pope Francis is scheduled to meet again on native lands here to speak his apology to the families of victims and their communities. This is a huge gesture…
Some people look for moral authority from wherever. I used to think Queen Elizabeth II was a source, I still wish the institution of the British Crown might be, reality and human failings (my own faith included) have left me disillusioned. But never without hope.

upamtn
Reply to  larch
06/26/2022 5:58 pm
larch
Reply to  upamtn
06/26/2022 6:10 pm

Now there’s a feel good, hope validated.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/26/2022 5:59 pm

This is true. The American portrayal of Jesus isn’t the true Jesus.

Also, prosperity theology is complete poppycock, and unfortunately has duped many.

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larch
Reply to  Nasrani
06/26/2022 6:09 pm

Snake oil.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  larch
06/26/2022 6:11 pm

Unfortunately, nonbelievers look to it – and the hucksters that sell it – as the legitimate Word of God/way of life of Christians, and it turns them off to it.

Same with the evangelical assertion that Trump was “pretty much Jesus” in 2016.