Into The Afternight: Our 3rd Shift O/T

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If you’re still up and want to talk Chiefs, or just hang with fellow citizens of the Kingdom, this is the place.

It’s not my usual thing, but since I’ve got a playoff Wild vs Blues game tomorrow night, I’m covering my bases, since there’s no telling what distractions I might get tied up with.

That doesn’t mean I’ve lost interest in the Chiefs, good heavens, no. I’m still working my way back from near-burnout, so in a way, this Wild team is therapy in aid of that. Well, I’m sure there are some who’d prefer I burn out, but they don’t matter. I am still committed to keeping this place going, so be damned if I crumble, just yet.

With that, time’s yours.

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zulu trader
zulu trader
05/08/2022 11:28 pm
pompano
05/08/2022 10:58 pm

not extreme at all

pompano
05/08/2022 10:18 pm
pompano
05/08/2022 10:06 pm

Shoutout to everyone, interesting and educational discussion, esp Leaf, thanks

pompano
05/08/2022 9:02 pm

more Fish you fuckers

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pompano
05/08/2022 7:41 pm

Final season of Ozark was awesome.

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 8:17 pm

Spoiler
the butler did it

Last edited 1 month ago by Leaf
pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 8:33 pm

Spoiler
on the roof

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 8:46 pm

That was a saucy scene

zulu trader
zulu trader
05/08/2022 7:10 pm

zulu trader
zulu trader
05/08/2022 7:10 pm

Nate Taylor
@ByNateTaylor
At the start of day 2 of Chiefs rookie minicamp, Darian Kinnard says the blue in his long hair will be changed soon. “This will turn red eventually,” Kinnard said.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
05/08/2022 7:09 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader
05/08/2022 7:08 pm

Nate Taylor
@ByNateTaylor
Justyn Ross on continuing his career with the Chiefs: “A lot of hard work, just putting in the time, trying to get back to that normal me. I feel good. Of course, I’m ready to prove everybody wrong.”

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
05/08/2022 7:09 pm

zulu trader
zulu trader
05/08/2022 7:07 pm

3rdnlong
05/08/2022 6:51 pm

Hang in there Brag. We got your back.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
05/08/2022 6:24 pm

well if they just wait long enough in Aphganistan

“The leadership does not see eye to eye on a number of matters but they all know that if they don’t keep it together, everything might fall apart,” Farhadi said. “In that case, they might start clashes with each other.”
“For that reason, the elders have decided to put up with each other, including when it comes to non-agreeable decisions which are costing them a lot of uproar inside Afghanistan and internationally,” Farhadi added.
Some of the more pragmatic leaders appear to be looking for quiet workarounds that will soften the hard-line decrees. Since March, there has been a growing chorus, even among the most powerful Taliban leaders, to return older girls to school while quietly ignoring other repressive edicts.
Earlier this month, Anas Haqqani, the younger brother of Sirajuddin, who heads the powerful Haqqani network, told a conference in the eastern city of Khost that girls are entitled to education and that they would soon return to school — though he didn’t say when. He also said that women had a role in building the nation.

America will join them in shunning women’s rights

Leaf
Reply to  steve_chiefs
05/08/2022 6:36 pm

Hyperbole much?

Leaf
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 7:02 pm

That came out ruder than it sounded in my head, so let me first apologize for my rudeness. But let me clarify. I agree, our treatment of women is less than ideal. And current issues aren’t improving things. But we are a faaaaar cry from being like Afghanistan.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 7:05 pm

The fucking conservatives in this country are just as anti women as the taliban

Leaf
Reply to  zulu trader
05/08/2022 7:18 pm

Some are. But there are some in Afghanistan that are progressive. You’ll always find people that are oppressive, no matter where you live. The nice thing is the majority of the conservatives are not even close to the Taliban

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 7:20 pm

when it comes to women’s rights, I’m not so sure

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 7:33 pm

the current vocal lawmakers and candidates seem to be…the midterms will gauge public sentiment…I am less than optimistic

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 7:40 pm

As I said, I’m not claiming things will improve anytime soon. But I don’t think you quite grasp how bad things are there. This country will never get that bad because one of two things will happen. One, we self correct eventually, the same way we have many other times throughout our history. Or we literally tear ourselves apart. Sure there will appear be extremists, but this country will never allow itself to be extreme.

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pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 7:49 pm

If the “stolen election” an Q AGs get elected it will.
Sitting members of Congress proposing laws to ban contraception, etc.
“domestic supply of infants” in a SCOTUS brief?
I”m sorry, the extreme line has been crossed AFAIC

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 8:05 pm

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pompano
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/08/2022 8:08 pm

was meant as a warning, was read as a playbook

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 8:15 pm

No it won’t. You obviously didn’t read my last part. The majority will not tolerate it. As I have said, it’s possible things get worse before better, but we will literally either fix ourselves, or destroy ourselves.

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 8:31 pm

What is the difference?
Not fixed = destroyed
Fixed = functioning society

I’ve no faith in the majority anymore, thought it would be decades from now before I believed it….gotta find a Volgon ship to hitch onto

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 8:37 pm

When I say destroyed, I’m not saying we will still be the US of A in name but a totalitarian regime in reality. There will be nothing left of our country. Civil war will rip us apart until there’s little left of what we once were. What comes out of that pile of ashes is unknown, but the US will be no more.

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pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 8:46 pm

ok, appreciate the clarification….and the discussion in general

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:04 pm

Leaf, I get what you are saying and you make sense, but…
The Majority has already said they won’t tolerate it. The minority of the minority is scream “Not so!” and causing much of what we are seeing today.
I have to say my concern is we only do the latter. I can’t see how we fix this.

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/08/2022 9:13 pm

change takes time. just look at African Americans. It took a hundred years from the time they were recognized by our government as free human beings with rights before we actually started enforcing their rights. And 60 years later we still have issues there. There may be a majority when it comes to abortion nowadays, but it’s not a huge majority of it is one. Is still a very divisive issue. But there is a loud outcry over changes being made, so we could very well see the fruits of our disgruntleness in a few years.

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:17 pm

weak sauce. Blacks had to wait forever, so an issue considered settled law can wait a few to resolve, naw

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 9:32 pm

I’m not saying I like it, I’m saying it’s reality. Nothing is going to change tomorrow no matter how hard you scream. Just look at the Texas law that started this mess. When the SCOTUS refused to even here it, they slammed the door on this ever being resolved quickly.

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:36 pm

yeah, did not expect it to spiral this quickly, but the writing was on the wall.

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 9:50 pm

True. Abortion was a hot topic when I was young, but for several decades now it’s been a “let’s avoid this because we don’t want to piss of potential voters”. sure it was a talking point, but no one pushed too hard on it, so nothing got resolved. Think of it as a wound we left uncleaned and are now wondering why it’s infected

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:52 pm

well said, and agreed

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:18 pm

69% is a majority

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 7:58 pm

Ectopic pregnancies are not viable and are often fatal for the mother, laws are in place to kill a woman.
My mom had multiple miscarriages before I was born, is she now a criminal?
It’s madness.
I was 10 when she was legally allowed to get a line of credit w/o a man’s permission…it’s all on the table now.

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 8:13 pm

Still not an oppressive society

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 8:22 pm

How not?
Applies to leftists and cons alike.
Just because the oppression does not affect you or yours?

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 8:33 pm

my whole point all night has been there’s a difference between not being a perfect society and having some oppressive tendencies that usually correct itself with time, and a truly oppressive society. If you can’t see that because you have lived in a mostly free society all your life, than I don’t know what else I can say to tell you, there are much worse out there than us.

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 8:38 pm

No I understand, but disagree with the premise that we are impervious to that inflection

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 8:51 pm

It’s not so much that we are impervious, as rebellion is in our DNA. If there’s one trait that is truly American, it’s we don’t like people telling us what to do. Just look at the outage something like abortion is generating. Unfortunately it’s too divisive of an issue to galvanize the entire country, but you take enough of our expected liberties away and we will revolt. We have done it time and time again.

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 8:54 pm

On that I agree

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  zulu trader
05/08/2022 7:23 pm

When I first heard this years ago I thought it was ridiculous. Not so sure anymore.

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Leaf
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/08/2022 7:30 pm

The thing is, that’s been a fear for 250 years. The majority of this country is moderate. Sometimes we lean left, others right. But we never let it ever get too far to one side or the other. I’m not saying we are going to instantly improve over night, or even that thing won’t get worse before they get better, but I do have faith that…. eventually enough people will wisen up and things will improve

…oh god, I must have ate the good eatables because I’m not being nearly cynical enough 😂

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probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 7:33 pm

I was thinking the same thing. 😉

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:57 pm

Yeah, you need to share, clearly. We’re all ready to flush it and start over. 😉

hoosierchief
Reply to  zulu trader
05/08/2022 8:37 pm

Huh? you mean women have a right to do what they want with their body… but, the government can order them to get a vaccine or lose their job and you cheer them on? Or is it the 60 million or so babies that were killed in abortions – assuming half of them were female, then that means we’ve killed 30 million women before they even had a chance to be born. Talk about barbaric. I doubt the Taliban have killed close to that many. I don’t have an issue with abortions when its certain situations, like the mother’s life is at risk or other things, but anymore abortion is just considered another form of birth control.

I came on tonight to talk about the Chiefs, but I see we’ve gone political again, so I’m out. Good night everyone.

pompano
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/08/2022 8:51 pm

abortions have dropped by a lot since pre RvW levels, it is not used as birth control

NovaChiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/08/2022 8:52 pm

Sooooo…. these women have the right to say “My body, my choice!” to avoid a vaccine but not to decide if they want to carry, support, and care for a baby?

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/08/2022 9:05 pm

Playing devils advocate here, but she did have the right to decide. She just decided to have sex

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:07 pm

What about the guy? He just walks.

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:13 pm

what if she did not and became pregnant?

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 9:19 pm

That’s different, and 90% of people would agree there. The problem with most abortion laws of they never codified “only on extreme cases such as the mothers life or rape”. Sure they mention those extremes, but they always allowed the door to be open for women who are just using it as a form of birth control, and that doesn’t set well with many people. The majority of abortion might be for extreme cases, but that open door has caused many to side with the extreme side of the child.

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:28 pm

*not a child

  • who gets to decide when it is acceptable
  • the mother and whomever else she consults with
Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 9:35 pm

see the majority might be okay with abortion, but I would be willing to bet that there’s a majority that consider the unborn to be a child, and when pro-choicers scream it’s not a child, they alienate people that would normally side with them on a fair chunk of abortion rights

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:43 pm

not sure about that, viability outside the womb has been the benchmark for decades.
How are you supposed to interact with a diametrically opposed viewpoint?
Concede that a zygote is a “child”?

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:17 pm

Ever made a stupid decision? Have you been told “No, you may not correct your mistake that you made while drunk/high/in an abusive relationship/thinking you’re in love? You must stay with it and live with it for the next 21 years?” How about getting divorced? You said yes. You decided to get married. Now you change your mind? Sorry.

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/08/2022 9:21 pm

there are certain stupid decisions that have unavoidable consequences. If you kill someone because you are drunk and stupid, you don’t get to say “I’m sorry” and was it away. You still go to jail. I’m not trying to be callous here, as I feel for anyone that will not have a harder life because of a stupid decision. My point is these are the thoughts that one must weigh before becoming that close with another person. I don’t think enough people really think about what the consequences are. They just think “oh I can just leave them”, “get a divorce”, or “an adoration”. People should think more, and allowing them to wipe the slate clean, just because they didn’t isn’t right.

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NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:37 pm

Fine. You are right. She had a choice, now she can live with it. Wait, someone else was involved. He also made a choice…
Now, re-write the laws so the burden of raising the child no one wanted are shared between the two parties equitably. Not evenly, not fairly. Equitably.
Meaning…if dad isn’t in the house raising the child, if he doesn’t take full joint custody, then he pays a larger amount than she does to compensate for the TIME she loses raising the child, the opportunities lost due to responsibilities at home. Something along the lines of 60/40 seem about right.
And before you ask, yes – if HE takes full custody, she pays more.
Then enforce it.

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/08/2022 9:45 pm

He did make a choice, but I don’t see any abortion law that accounts for the man, so why is that relevant now? I’m not disagree with you here that it was a two party issue, but it seems disingenuous to care about the males perspective on this when every argument pro abortion hasn’t given two shits about his opinion on it.

Edit: on your potential solution, I wouldn’t be opposed to it. Seems logically fair

Last edited 1 month ago by Leaf
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:51 pm

Because the entire burden is placed on the woman and then the right to choose what she wants to do about it is taken away from her. Because forcing women to carry unwanted babies to term has consequences, and all the “pro-life” group wants to talk about is what happens up to the point the child is born.
And I don’t care about the male’s perspective because we see in Congress and the court what that is. I care that someone other than the woman who is now being forced to carry it deals with what happens next.
My comment stands. If you are going to force the child onto the woman, make damn sure you force it onto the man.

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/08/2022 10:13 pm

And I don’t care about the male’s perspective

But that’s exactly my point. You can’t say, “well there was this other guy so he’s responsible too”, but then turn right around and say he doesn’t matter. Which is it? Either he is important or he’s not.

For the record, I’m not disagreeing that the majority of the burden falls on the women. But she should also know this before she makes her decision. It’s not fair, but life isn’t fair, and it never will be. We make it as fair as we can and mitigate the rest.

Leaf
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/08/2022 10:36 pm

I don’t disagree about the politicians. All of them mother fuckers are corrupt, no matter the side.

NovaChiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/08/2022 11:01 pm

They only care about “agendas”. Is something working? Leave it the fuck alone.

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 10:58 pm

If the woman has the choice of what to do, the choice to abort or not, then the guy, unless he’s figured out a way to carry that kid, just has to live with the laws of biology. If he can take that “child”, bring it to term, go right ahead.
The moment you take the choice away from the woman, he is equally important and for once, should be held that way.

No one WANTS abortions. No one is PRO-abortion. But this entire “Pro-life, all babies are sacred” thing that seems to stop at birth has to end. This is how you do it. Start hitting a few guys for 60% of the babies costs, garnish wages, place leans on things, unwanted pregnancies will drop. Make both parties afraid of the possible results.

And, for the record, we haven’t even made it CLOSE to fair. Why is she the one who “should know all this before she makes her decision”? Why not him? She’s supposed to be ok with, if the birth control she took or the method they used doesn’t work, being the one who bears most of the responsibility going forward? How in the world is that fair? You take away her rights then saddle her with the burden?
I don’t think that’s included in the Laws of Biology, either. That’s society using childrearing as a way to keep those little ladies in line.

Last edited 1 month ago by NovaChiefs
pompano
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/08/2022 8:58 pm

and yet you chinned in, peace.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/08/2022 9:05 pm

Agree, it is barbaric. Also agree that there should be limits to accessibility for the procedure. What I don’t believe in is a minority group imposing their religious beliefs on the majority. None of us want a theocracy, and it may be where this is headed.

pompano
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/08/2022 9:11 pm

“None of us want a theocracy”- maybe not present company, but many do, and have working toward that goat for a while

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 9:24 pm

The ones that think it would be a good idea have no idea want they are asking for. I’ve heard pastors in church say that the “Law of Moses” is an appropriate legal system for any country. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. There is only one Person with the authority to implement that law. That Person isn’t here right now.

pompano
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/08/2022 9:33 pm

they profess to know the Lord God’immutable will

KCChef
KCChef
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/08/2022 9:20 pm

Uhhh … The Obverse side of that coin is : ” Don’t Tell me what to do w/ my Body By Making Me take a Vaccine for the Benefit of the Common Weal ( Or get exposed to second hand smoke or wear a seat belt ) – But By All Means I’m going to impose my Religious Morality to rescind a near 50 year Old Constitutional Right on what women can do for their own health & well being …

Leaf
Reply to  KCChef
05/08/2022 9:40 pm

Devils advocate here, but abortion was never a constitutional right with is part of the problem with RvW that has allowed this to become such a big issue. There is no federal law, constitutional or unconstitutional, that gives the right for an abortion. What there is, is a court ruling that says essentially “yeah it should be a woman’s choice”. But a court ruling is not a law.

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:49 pm

but a SCOTUS ruling upholding/striking a law or challenge is precedent, thus affirming or not.

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 9:56 pm

But it’s not a law and that’s the problem. They set a precedent that it should be allowed, but there really is nothing to support it, and because it was the SCOTUS, everyone just accepted it. Why do you think so many people have clambered for a law. They saw this coming because RvW was toothless

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:59 pm

both sides used it for campaign $$$, one spinless, one with intent (Federalist Society)

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 10:05 pm

I love how everyone thinks that one side is evil and the other is incompetent (depending on which side of the fence you sit depends on who is playing what role). The reality is they are both are evil because they are playing us against each other to keep things exactly the same.

…hey, there’s my cynical side 😁

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 10:08 pm

*see the top

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/08/2022 9:54 pm

9th Amendment. Not all rights we are entitled to are spelled out. There may be others we didn’t think of.

pompano
05/08/2022 5:19 pm

Genius

rip58
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05/08/2022 7:08 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
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05/08/2022 5:19 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
05/08/2022 4:14 pm
pompano
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05/08/2022 5:23 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
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05/08/2022 5:26 pm
Leaf
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05/08/2022 5:28 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
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05/08/2022 5:30 pm
pompano
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05/08/2022 7:27 pm
pompano
Reply to  Nasrani
05/08/2022 5:36 pm

*will not post Hootie and the Blowfish

pompano
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05/08/2022 5:37 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
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05/08/2022 5:40 pm
pompano
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05/08/2022 5:46 pm

Pretty old school for a youngn’

Nasrani
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rip58
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rip58
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Nasrani
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rip58
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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
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05/08/2022 7:13 pm
rip58
Reply to  pompano
05/08/2022 6:07 pm

Damn it , I just noticed this .. 😁

Beachbeard
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