Into The Afternight: Our 3rd Shift O/T
134 repliesIf you’re still up and want to talk Chiefs, or just hang with fellow citizens of the Kingdom, this is the place.
It’s not my usual thing, but since I’ve got a playoff Wild vs Blues game tomorrow night, I’m covering my bases, since there’s no telling what distractions I might get tied up with.
That doesn’t mean I’ve lost interest in the Chiefs, good heavens, no. I’m still working my way back from near-burnout, so in a way, this Wild team is therapy in aid of that. Well, I’m sure there are some who’d prefer I burn out, but they don’t matter. I am still committed to keeping this place going, so be damned if I crumble, just yet.
With that, time’s yours.
So the answer is to find an opposite extremist to run against him, or someone much, much closer to the center? Think about recent history a bit, before you answer.
Shoutout to everyone, interesting and educational discussion, esp Leaf, thanks
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well if they just wait long enough in Aphganistan
“The leadership does not see eye to eye on a number of matters but they all know that if they don’t keep it together, everything might fall apart,” Farhadi said. “In that case, they might start clashes with each other.”
“For that reason, the elders have decided to put up with each other, including when it comes to non-agreeable decisions which are costing them a lot of uproar inside Afghanistan and internationally,” Farhadi added.
Some of the more pragmatic leaders appear to be looking for quiet workarounds that will soften the hard-line decrees. Since March, there has been a growing chorus, even among the most powerful Taliban leaders, to return older girls to school while quietly ignoring other repressive edicts.
Earlier this month, Anas Haqqani, the younger brother of Sirajuddin, who heads the powerful Haqqani network, told a conference in the eastern city of Khost that girls are entitled to education and that they would soon return to school — though he didn’t say when. He also said that women had a role in building the nation.
America will join them in shunning women’s rights
Hyperbole much?
That came out ruder than it sounded in my head, so let me first apologize for my rudeness. But let me clarify. I agree, our treatment of women is less than ideal. And current issues aren’t improving things. But we are a faaaaar cry from being like Afghanistan.
The fucking conservatives in this country are just as anti women as the taliban
Some are. But there are some in Afghanistan that are progressive. You’ll always find people that are oppressive, no matter where you live. The nice thing is the majority of the conservatives are not even close to the Taliban
when it comes to women’s rights, I’m not so sure
the current vocal lawmakers and candidates seem to be…the midterms will gauge public sentiment…I am less than optimistic
As I said, I’m not claiming things will improve anytime soon. But I don’t think you quite grasp how bad things are there. This country will never get that bad because one of two things will happen. One, we self correct eventually, the same way we have many other times throughout our history. Or we literally tear ourselves apart. Sure there will appear be extremists, but this country will never allow itself to be extreme.
If the “stolen election” an Q AGs get elected it will.
Sitting members of Congress proposing laws to ban contraception, etc.
“domestic supply of infants” in a SCOTUS brief?
I”m sorry, the extreme line has been crossed AFAIC
was meant as a warning, was read as a playbook
No it won’t. You obviously didn’t read my last part. The majority will not tolerate it. As I have said, it’s possible things get worse before better, but we will literally either fix ourselves, or destroy ourselves.
What is the difference?
Not fixed = destroyed
Fixed = functioning society
I’ve no faith in the majority anymore, thought it would be decades from now before I believed it….gotta find a Volgon ship to hitch onto
When I say destroyed, I’m not saying we will still be the US of A in name but a totalitarian regime in reality. There will be nothing left of our country. Civil war will rip us apart until there’s little left of what we once were. What comes out of that pile of ashes is unknown, but the US will be no more.
ok, appreciate the clarification….and the discussion in general
Leaf, I get what you are saying and you make sense, but…
The Majority has already said they won’t tolerate it. The minority of the minority is scream “Not so!” and causing much of what we are seeing today.
I have to say my concern is we only do the latter. I can’t see how we fix this.
change takes time. just look at African Americans. It took a hundred years from the time they were recognized by our government as free human beings with rights before we actually started enforcing their rights. And 60 years later we still have issues there. There may be a majority when it comes to abortion nowadays, but it’s not a huge majority of it is one. Is still a very divisive issue. But there is a loud outcry over changes being made, so we could very well see the fruits of our disgruntleness in a few years.
weak sauce. Blacks had to wait forever, so an issue considered settled law can wait a few to resolve, naw
I’m not saying I like it, I’m saying it’s reality. Nothing is going to change tomorrow no matter how hard you scream. Just look at the Texas law that started this mess. When the SCOTUS refused to even here it, they slammed the door on this ever being resolved quickly.
yeah, did not expect it to spiral this quickly, but the writing was on the wall.
True. Abortion was a hot topic when I was young, but for several decades now it’s been a “let’s avoid this because we don’t want to piss of potential voters”. sure it was a talking point, but no one pushed too hard on it, so nothing got resolved. Think of it as a wound we left uncleaned and are now wondering why it’s infected
well said, and agreed
69% is a majority
Ectopic pregnancies are not viable and are often fatal for the mother, laws are in place to kill a woman.
My mom had multiple miscarriages before I was born, is she now a criminal?
It’s madness.
I was 10 when she was legally allowed to get a line of credit w/o a man’s permission…it’s all on the table now.
Still not an oppressive society
How not?
Applies to leftists and cons alike.
Just because the oppression does not affect you or yours?
my whole point all night has been there’s a difference between not being a perfect society and having some oppressive tendencies that usually correct itself with time, and a truly oppressive society. If you can’t see that because you have lived in a mostly free society all your life, than I don’t know what else I can say to tell you, there are much worse out there than us.
No I understand, but disagree with the premise that we are impervious to that inflection
It’s not so much that we are impervious, as rebellion is in our DNA. If there’s one trait that is truly American, it’s we don’t like people telling us what to do. Just look at the outage something like abortion is generating. Unfortunately it’s too divisive of an issue to galvanize the entire country, but you take enough of our expected liberties away and we will revolt. We have done it time and time again.
On that I agree
When I first heard this years ago I thought it was ridiculous. Not so sure anymore.
The thing is, that’s been a fear for 250 years. The majority of this country is moderate. Sometimes we lean left, others right. But we never let it ever get too far to one side or the other. I’m not saying we are going to instantly improve over night, or even that thing won’t get worse before they get better, but I do have faith that…. eventually enough people will wisen up and things will improve
…oh god, I must have ate the good eatables because I’m not being nearly cynical enough 😂
I was thinking the same thing. 😉
Yeah, you need to share, clearly. We’re all ready to flush it and start over. 😉
Huh? you mean women have a right to do what they want with their body… but, the government can order them to get a vaccine or lose their job and you cheer them on? Or is it the 60 million or so babies that were killed in abortions – assuming half of them were female, then that means we’ve killed 30 million women before they even had a chance to be born. Talk about barbaric. I doubt the Taliban have killed close to that many. I don’t have an issue with abortions when its certain situations, like the mother’s life is at risk or other things, but anymore abortion is just considered another form of birth control.
I came on tonight to talk about the Chiefs, but I see we’ve gone political again, so I’m out. Good night everyone.
abortions have dropped by a lot since pre RvW levels, it is not used as birth control
Sooooo…. these women have the right to say “My body, my choice!” to avoid a vaccine but not to decide if they want to carry, support, and care for a baby?
Playing devils advocate here, but she did have the right to decide. She just decided to have sex
What about the guy? He just walks.
what if she did not and became pregnant?
That’s different, and 90% of people would agree there. The problem with most abortion laws of they never codified “only on extreme cases such as the mothers life or rape”. Sure they mention those extremes, but they always allowed the door to be open for women who are just using it as a form of birth control, and that doesn’t set well with many people. The majority of abortion might be for extreme cases, but that open door has caused many to side with the extreme side of the child.
*not a child
see the majority might be okay with abortion, but I would be willing to bet that there’s a majority that consider the unborn to be a child, and when pro-choicers scream it’s not a child, they alienate people that would normally side with them on a fair chunk of abortion rights
not sure about that, viability outside the womb has been the benchmark for decades.
How are you supposed to interact with a diametrically opposed viewpoint?
Concede that a zygote is a “child”?
Ever made a stupid decision? Have you been told “No, you may not correct your mistake that you made while drunk/high/in an abusive relationship/thinking you’re in love? You must stay with it and live with it for the next 21 years?” How about getting divorced? You said yes. You decided to get married. Now you change your mind? Sorry.
there are certain stupid decisions that have unavoidable consequences. If you kill someone because you are drunk and stupid, you don’t get to say “I’m sorry” and was it away. You still go to jail. I’m not trying to be callous here, as I feel for anyone that will not have a harder life because of a stupid decision. My point is these are the thoughts that one must weigh before becoming that close with another person. I don’t think enough people really think about what the consequences are. They just think “oh I can just leave them”, “get a divorce”, or “an adoration”. People should think more, and allowing them to wipe the slate clean, just because they didn’t isn’t right.
Fine. You are right. She had a choice, now she can live with it. Wait, someone else was involved. He also made a choice…
Now, re-write the laws so the burden of raising the child no one wanted are shared between the two parties equitably. Not evenly, not fairly. Equitably.
Meaning…if dad isn’t in the house raising the child, if he doesn’t take full joint custody, then he pays a larger amount than she does to compensate for the TIME she loses raising the child, the opportunities lost due to responsibilities at home. Something along the lines of 60/40 seem about right.
And before you ask, yes – if HE takes full custody, she pays more.
Then enforce it.
He did make a choice, but I don’t see any abortion law that accounts for the man, so why is that relevant now? I’m not disagree with you here that it was a two party issue, but it seems disingenuous to care about the males perspective on this when every argument pro abortion hasn’t given two shits about his opinion on it.
Edit: on your potential solution, I wouldn’t be opposed to it. Seems logically fair
Because the entire burden is placed on the woman and then the right to choose what she wants to do about it is taken away from her. Because forcing women to carry unwanted babies to term has consequences, and all the “pro-life” group wants to talk about is what happens up to the point the child is born.
And I don’t care about the male’s perspective because we see in Congress and the court what that is. I care that someone other than the woman who is now being forced to carry it deals with what happens next.
My comment stands. If you are going to force the child onto the woman, make damn sure you force it onto the man.
But that’s exactly my point. You can’t say, “well there was this other guy so he’s responsible too”, but then turn right around and say he doesn’t matter. Which is it? Either he is important or he’s not.
For the record, I’m not disagreeing that the majority of the burden falls on the women. But she should also know this before she makes her decision. It’s not fair, but life isn’t fair, and it never will be. We make it as fair as we can and mitigate the rest.
I’m going to weigh in here to point out a vegan-class hypocrisy. Colorado once had a program that provided free condoms to any teenager who wanted one. Once enacted, abortion rates among teens plummeted.
Then a pro-life type governor was elected, and he ended “encouraging kids to have sex”, after which the teen abortion rate returned to the usual. That “pro-life” move actually increased the number of abortions, demonstrating that A, those of that mindset are self-generating the controversy they’re riled about, B, they don’t give a damn who gets hurt by their activism, and C, they most assuredly don’t care about the unwanted children who they generated, once they were born. Indeed, many would also complain about single moms on assistance.
When I said that I could rip the GOP just as hard as the DNC, there’s your evidence, and that wasn’t an appeal to emotion, I just laid out the moving parts of the system.
That said, Roe v Wade never was settled law, more like an uneasy compromise. If there is a better solution, 50 attempts at once is better than one attempt every fifty years.
I don’t disagree about the politicians. All of them mother fuckers are corrupt, no matter the side.
Which is why I advocate for the overthrow of the primary political Partys’ grip on the gov’t. It’s a dual oligopoly, at this point, more concerned with sustaining itself than sustaining the nation. They have to go, both of them.
Getting rid of one won’t do, the other would rapidly devolve into an autocracy.
They only care about “agendas”. Is something working? Leave it the fuck alone.
If the woman has the choice of what to do, the choice to abort or not, then the guy, unless he’s figured out a way to carry that kid, just has to live with the laws of biology. If he can take that “child”, bring it to term, go right ahead.
The moment you take the choice away from the woman, he is equally important and for once, should be held that way.
No one WANTS abortions. No one is PRO-abortion. But this entire “Pro-life, all babies are sacred” thing that seems to stop at birth has to end. This is how you do it. Start hitting a few guys for 60% of the babies costs, garnish wages, place leans on things, unwanted pregnancies will drop. Make both parties afraid of the possible results.
And, for the record, we haven’t even made it CLOSE to fair. Why is she the one who “should know all this before she makes her decision”? Why not him? She’s supposed to be ok with, if the birth control she took or the method they used doesn’t work, being the one who bears most of the responsibility going forward? How in the world is that fair? You take away her rights then saddle her with the burden?
I don’t think that’s included in the Laws of Biology, either. That’s society using childrearing as a way to keep those little ladies in line.
and yet you chinned in, peace.
Agree, it is barbaric. Also agree that there should be limits to accessibility for the procedure. What I don’t believe in is a minority group imposing their religious beliefs on the majority. None of us want a theocracy, and it may be where this is headed.
“None of us want a theocracy”- maybe not present company, but many do, and have working toward that goat for a while
The ones that think it would be a good idea have no idea want they are asking for. I’ve heard pastors in church say that the “Law of Moses” is an appropriate legal system for any country. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. There is only one Person with the authority to implement that law. That Person isn’t here right now.
they profess to know the Lord God’immutable will
Uhhh … The Obverse side of that coin is : ” Don’t Tell me what to do w/ my Body By Making Me take a Vaccine for the Benefit of the Common Weal ( Or get exposed to second hand smoke or wear a seat belt ) – But By All Means I’m going to impose my Religious Morality to rescind a near 50 year Old Constitutional Right on what women can do for their own health & well being …
Devils advocate here, but abortion was never a constitutional right with is part of the problem with RvW that has allowed this to become such a big issue. There is no federal law, constitutional or unconstitutional, that gives the right for an abortion. What there is, is a court ruling that says essentially “yeah it should be a woman’s choice”. But a court ruling is not a law.
but a SCOTUS ruling upholding/striking a law or challenge is precedent, thus affirming or not.
But it’s not a law and that’s the problem. They set a precedent that it should be allowed, but there really is nothing to support it, and because it was the SCOTUS, everyone just accepted it. Why do you think so many people have clambered for a law. They saw this coming because RvW was toothless
both sides used it for campaign $$$, one spinless, one with intent (Federalist Society)
I love how everyone thinks that one side is evil and the other is incompetent (depending on which side of the fence you sit depends on who is playing what role). The reality is they are both are evil because they are playing us against each other to keep things exactly the same.
…hey, there’s my cynical side 😁
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