Into The Afternight: Our 3rd Shift O/T

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If you’re still up and want to talk Chiefs, or just hang with fellow citizens of the Kingdom, this is the place.

I’m just going to preface this by saying that because I got more heated than I like in the evening OT I will not be re-visiting that topic here. One of the leys to keeping things from spinning out of control the way they sometimes (Alex Wars, anyone?) did back at AP is to keep the arguments compartmentalized to the threads they came up in. So, with that in mind, back to sports:

And regardless of who said what, I bear no animosity toward any who hold views I disagree with around here. I have no lasting anger or hatred, nor any need to shout like I’m from that town in Arkansas at anyone. I may strongly disagree at times, but I still like everyone around here, even Saints – in spite of his penchant of starting long arguments that accomplish nothing. That said, if you get to put forth your opinions in the comments, I have that same right, even if you hate my opinion.

With that, time’s yours.

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pompano
pompano
07/31/2020 12:19 am

Making prisons “for profit” institutions was a bad idea. That led to bad prosecutorial practices. Which turned a not so blind eye to bad policing/enforcement practices.
Which made a self perptuating system of incarcerating the most people with the least resources to defend themselves.
That is systemic.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
07/31/2020 1:18 am

If nothing else, my goal is to get you to stop viewing racism as the ultimate faux pas and the worst thought a person can entertain and the worst action a person can do. It’s actually gotten to the point of madness now where people are more aghast that Jeffrey Dahmer has a penchant black male victims (twas his fetish) than they are about the serial killing and cannibalism.

We all utilize heuristics for processing the world. Those heuristics are molded by the reality to which we belong. And the reality is that an insanely disproportionate amount of violent crime comes from black perps (and while mostly committed against black victims, the interracial crime stats are just as wildly disproportionate). If someone crosses the street at night because a group of “youths” is walking their direction, I don’t consider that person a “dumb racist” I consider them someone making a wise decision based on playing the averages.

Does that mean that most black males between 15-30 are violent criminals? No. But that the propensity is orders of magnitude higher is enough to be overly cautious.

The funny thing is I’ve found myself having these conversation with black males who actually get it and respect both my candor in being willing to discuss (not something I often do) and my ability to separate statistical realities from interpersonal relations. Meanwhile, white liberals turn into a frothing mess of “FASCIST! RACIST!” and sundry other shitty midwit bumper sticker slogans when confronted with this.

For all the issues I have with BLM, I actually recognize the cultural war that has erupted from it as not a black vs white thing but a reasonable white vs. media programmed white guilt NPC thing.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
07/31/2020 2:20 am

You are offering an anecdotal example of something you are saying is systemic. Yes, there are anecdotal examples of bad cops. I won’t say I don’t care because such things ought to be rooted out, but I don’t believe that is par for the course so to speak.

As for you personally, I don’t think it is white guilt the way it is for a lot of conventional liberals. They’ll deny it just as vehemently as you, but i think in your case it comes from these (in my view) misguided libertarian sympathies but is nevertheless overlaid with the modern discourse on race.

No, I don’t think the modern justice system in broken in a manner that disproportionately targets blacks. I think it is broken in some ways, but I think the vast majority of convictions are valid, and frankly understated. One particular pet peeve of mine is the citing of people incarcerated for “non-violent” crimes when the reality is that the vast majority of cases never go to trail and DAs will willingly take a plea deal for a lesser non-violent charge in order to avoid the expense and time of trial.

And I don’t care what Bill DiBlasio thinks he needs to tell his kids. He’s an idiot and the hallmark of what I was addressing above. And the defiance of turning their backs on him when he speaks after he’s spent his entire career telling cops they’re racists is comeuppance AFAIC.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
07/31/2020 12:13 am

I’m not a flat earther so it never occurred to me that that parenthetical would be addressed towards me.

But I’ll say this in defense of conspiracy theories broadly: a healthy distrust of official system approved narratives is good. Most conspiracy theories are indeed dumb, which is why they let people hold them. And then there are those conspiracy theories that will get you banned from reddit r/conspiracy, banned from social media, and depending on how wide your reach is, possibly denied banking and financial services.

Those are worth entertaining from a serious point of view. As they say, of your catching flak you’re over the target

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Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
07/31/2020 12:32 am

You can’t spell manufactured without fact.

Some of the most notable and well entrenched historical “facts” are indeed conspiracy theories that have such issues with academic scrutiny that it is literally illegal to question them, and not just in third world dictatorships but in advanced western democracies.

pompano
pompano
Reply to  Sudden
07/31/2020 12:40 am

George Washington didn’t have wooden teeth and never chopped down a cherry tree but he did throw that coin across that river.
Yeah, I said it…

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Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
07/31/2020 1:06 am

Oh there’s something else. And Germany is on the forefront of imprisoning people for questioning this particular historical event.

7 people have served prison time (another 2 faced significant fines) in Germany alone for questioning the validity, accuracy, and numerical reality of a particular historical event. One of those is a woman in her 80s when she was imprisoned for 10 months in 2015

pompano
pompano
Reply to  Sudden
07/31/2020 1:35 am

The #s came from the perpetrators own records.

Sudden
Sudden
07/30/2020 11:06 pm

Agreed.

And there’s never any dislike behind it, at least coming from me. Frustration at times, yes. You likely feel the same way, frustrated.

There’s really no point in arguing it, but if the subject comes up in some capacity I will register my comments simply as a form cointelpro against the widespread narrative control exercised by vile institutions (for whom I do hold intense hate)

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
07/31/2020 12:00 am

I’m familiar with the video. No violence was ever done to the guy in AR.

Now what do you think would happen if I held up a “white lives matter” sign in Baltimore or Southside Chicago or any other predominantly black neighborhood? Do you think the worst i would experience would be epithets or do you think I’d be assaulted? In fact I saw a video of a guy holding an “all lives matter” sign in one such place and it wasn’t just threats there.

As for Tyreek, I’d say locate and view that thread. After the initial “this isn’t good” comment, I was quick to question the narrative Brooke was spinning. Among the first I’d wager even. Perhaps my misogyny is just more powerful than my racism lol.

And remember that Perna, he who must virtue signal his anti racism bona fides far and wide, routinely calls Tyreek all those things.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
07/31/2020 12:24 am

I’m calling bullshit. You know damn well that you’d be beaten to bloody pulp by a group of what the media would call “teens”. And you’d be called “white boy” and “cracker” while they did that. And you know that too.

I can’t stand GWB let alone David Frum who wrote the line in gonna reference, but it’s nevertheless a valid critique. This is the “soft bigotry of low expectations”. You refuse to systematically apply the same codes of behavior and decorum on black people that you expect of whites. You’re grading on the curve.

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
07/31/2020 1:05 am

Then do it and post it. Test your mettle sir.

I OTOH know better.

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