Imaginary Power Rankings – Week 16

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AG Fist Ranks the Chiefs #1 #4 (Fist is not a homer – Chargers are better, they just proved it by winning the actual game)

Here at AG we make the rules.  Sure, the Chiefs lost a heart breaker in the last seconds of the game to the Chargers, but the Chargers lost to the Case Keenum-led Broncos…THE BRONCOS!  The Rams laid an egg against the Bears, and the Patriots have lost so many bad games I can’t even keep track of them all.  The Saints, another fan favorite by corrupt mainstream media, lost an ugly game already to Dallas, and are currently putting me to sleep watching them play the Saints.  So for these reasons, and because we make the rules, AG moves the Chiefs up to the coveted imaginary 1-spot from there position last week soundly at 1.

CBS Ranks the Chiefs #4

They still own the top spot in the division, but now they face a tough road game at Seattle. They can’t afford a loss.

ESPN Ranks the Chiefs #3

Biggest breakthrough: QB Patrick Mahomes. The Chiefs no longer have to go with some other team’s castoff at the most important position, as they did for most of their first 58 seasons. With Mahomes at quarterback, the Chiefs have the look of a team that will contend for division and conference championships for years to come. — Adam Teicher

NFL.com Ranks the Chiefs #3

The Chiefs‘ lack of balance bit them in the cold of Arrowhead Stadium on Thursday night. No, I’m not just talking about the running back situation, which, in the wake of Kareem Hunt‘s departure, is problematic without a healthy Spencer Ware. My concern is the constant leaning on Patrick Mahomes to outscore the other offense. Kansas City couldn’t make it happen on Thursday night, and the Chiefs lost — consider it version 3.0 of a problem that came to bear in the Monday night track meet with the Rams and the loss to the Patriots in Week 6. When you score 28 points at home, that should be seen as “enough,” not a disappointing final tally. That said, the Mahomes-led attack needed more from a ground game that produced 60 yards. The offense as a whole garnered less than 300 yards for the first time this season.

Sporting News Ranks the Chiefs #3

The Chiefs’ defensive issues resurfaced, as they couldn’t stop the run or pass when they needed to against the Chargers. They are suddenly facing a tough task to keep the AFC West lead with a trip to the Seahawks next on Sunday night.

NBC Sports Ranks the Chiefs #3

It’s got to be maddening to be 11-3 and still fighting this hard for home-field and a bye week. 

USA Today Ranks the Chiefs #5

Chris Jones has morphed into a one-man gang on defense. Unfortunately, that’s a big part of the problem — he could use more gangsters.

Look how many other sports writers think the defense sucks.  I wonder if that means Sutton should retire?

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Panzer85
Panzer85(@panzer85)
12/18/2018 5:29 pm

I can see folks are still upset about the Chargers loss. Just remember, these teams that have beaten us have had to pay aggressive in order to win. Lots of 4th down attempts. The beginnings (though I can recall one or two earlier in the season) of 2pt conversions. In my opinion, whatever we or any other teams think of our defense (or offense for that matter), other teams are more scared of the Chiefs than they would like to let on when off the field. Even with the injuries and poor play calling, this team is good in a shootout. If we can continue to dictate the direction of the game with a shoot first; ask questions later, offense, we will come out ahead of the division and probably the conference.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/18/2018 4:45 pm

Why….whatever do you mean Tony?

Patomic Fist
Patomic Fist(@patomic)
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Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/18/2018 4:52 pm

Yeeeeesssssssss!!!!! LOL!!

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/18/2018 4:59 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Berserker
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Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 5:03 pm

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tecmo_sb35
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 6:15 pm

Midnight Ron, eh?

John Doerty
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Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/18/2018 5:34 pm

I was under the impression that putting baby in the corner is frowned upon?

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  John Doerty
12/18/2018 5:40 pm

Tony is not impressed with my double snipe snipe….first ninja-ing his #1 ranking, then taking a shot at his BFF at the end of the article.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/18/2018 6:23 pm

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Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/18/2018 7:00 pm

I’ll get you one of my bootcamp photos where I might actually have a chance of looking somewhat mean.

Patomic Fist
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12/18/2018 3:51 pm

@ Berserker…what is the biggest PON on defense (pretend that they keep Ford / Houston)? ILB, CB, S?

Berserker
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Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 4:01 pm

So, basically as the roster stands right now? Man…there are so many needs, but I’d say we need a good on-field play caller. And that’s absolutely recency bias, with Berry’s Thursday night right in the front of my mind.

I’d say a close second would be Patrick Peterson a top CB who can at least compete with #1/2 WRs in one on one coverage.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 4:05 pm

Yeah…I wouldn’t be disappointed if they went DB with their 1st 5 picks….

Berserker
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Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 4:41 pm

I’m thinking that one outside CB who can safely be left in man coverage on a #2 WR, would boost the entire coverage game.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 5:00 pm

Yeah that makes sense….should leave 4 DBs to cover the other 2 WRs in a 3 man set.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 4:08 pm

They need to do something about Ragland and Hitchens though too….I’m sure I don’t want to see Ragland on the field anymore.
Not as sure about Hitchens…the DC probably gets honorable mention for his regression this year.

SPI Chief
SPI Chief(@spi-chief)
Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 8:03 pm

Yeah ILB is definitely a need but probably not a 1st rounder. I like the way you and Berserker have it laid out, a stud CB in the 1st pushing everyone else down into there more natural spot; and then a good ILB in the 2nd. Watching Kuekly last night got me horny I must say.

Berserker
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Reply to  SPI Chief
12/18/2018 8:09 pm

Yeah, it’s pretty tempting to say ILB or safety. Honestly, I probably wouldn’t be mad at all if we got a top prospect ILB or S.

But, it’s kinda a case of the “traditional” answer probably being the right one. CB and pass rusher are the highest paid defensive positions for a good reason.

stjoechief
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Reply to  SPI Chief
12/19/2018 10:07 am

“To their natural position of guard.” FIFY #brandonalbert

Ransom_
Ransom_(@ransom_)
12/18/2018 2:22 pm

Ninja Fist. Nice. And agreed.

Patomic Fist
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12/18/2018 2:07 pm

As Tarkus pointed out a few days ago….I think the Chiefs are missing Kareem Hunt more than a lot of fans would like to admit.

Berserker
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Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 2:10 pm

And Ware.

Not to say that D. Williams is bad. I personally think he’s OK with a chance to get better. But, there were some camp/preseason mancrushes on the guy, so I suspect some folks have a little bit of confirmation bias going on.

John Doerty
John Doerty(@tsv0728)
12/18/2018 1:22 pm

The post says that the Saints put you to sleep watching them play the Saints, just FYI. I’m not even sure that would be a fun game, with how bad their offense has been the last few weeks. The “corrupt mainstream media” dig was funny.

John Doerty
John Doerty(@tsv0728)
12/18/2018 12:58 pm

I earned myself a few downvotes, but I’m not sure for what comment. Is there any way to tell? Hard to bitch about the rankings. The Chiefs still don’t have a “bad” loss, though any home loss could be argued. Still, every team they lost to has been ranked in the top 5 when they lost. The downside is that suggests they cannot beat the elite teams, which is probably a fair notion.

workingmansdead
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Reply to  John Doerty
12/18/2018 1:02 pm

Downvoted.

Berserker
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Reply to  workingmansdead
12/18/2018 2:02 pm

Flagged!

Berserker
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 2:03 pm

Oh wait…

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 2:05 pm

Upvoted!

HawaiiFiveOh
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Reply to  John Doerty
12/18/2018 1:03 pm

Those are teams that they should lose to sometimes. They’ve beaten the Steelers, Chargers, and the Ravens but lost to the Chargers and the Patriots. That’s a 3-2 record against playoff teams. Considering they’ve faced the best the AFC has to offer and came out with a winning record, I’m not sure how you could say they can’t beat elite teams.

John Doerty
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Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
12/18/2018 1:11 pm

That’s true. You aren’t going to beat every team, every time. Still the “big” wins were a long time ago. The Ravens aren’t an elite team IMO, and that was at home. You can only play your schedule, but that Chargers game leaves a real bad taste when combined with the rest of the potential Superbowl related story.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  John Doerty
12/18/2018 1:13 pm

They have lost close games to very good teams. I’m ok with it…in years past they would beat very good teams and lose to shitty teams like the Titans and Bucs (2016).

John Doerty
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Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 1:17 pm

That is certainly true. Haven’t had a true bed wetting moment, which is a big improvement in the regular season at least. I just lost a fair amount of confidence after the Chargers I guess. Standard insecurities. Don’t want Pat’s first playoff experience to feel like a continuation of the past many years of ineptitude. Don’t want MY first Pat in the playoffs experience to feel that way either. I didn’t really even give that possibility a second thought until Thurs night.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  John Doerty
12/18/2018 2:04 pm

The Chargers loss completely took the wind out of my sails…I had no desire to be on here Friday and Saturday, just didn’t even want to think about the Chiefs.
There was so much on the line with a W meaning clinching the division & a 1st round bye. Now they’re in significant danger of being the #5 seed.

Leaf
Leaf(@leaf)
Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 2:39 pm

I think some of the issue is, many convinced themselves the chargers were all hype and on the same level of the bucs, titans, shitty NY team. It seems it’s easier to think we are the same old chiefs than it is to think the chargers are decent enough to warrant the win.

HawaiiFiveOh
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Reply to  Leaf
12/18/2018 2:51 pm

I still think the Chargers are all hype and the Chiefs just weren’t firing on all cylinders due to some inexplicable coaching decisions and bad calls by the refs. That was the best the Chargers could do and they won by 1 point. Same with the Rams. Same with the Patriots.

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread(@arrowspread)
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
12/18/2018 2:59 pm

The best the Chargers can do is turn it over twice and get sacked 5 times and still put up 29, on the road?

Also, we’re probably leading the league in penalties, and that is clearly not going away anytime soon. So we probably will never be firing on all cylinders thru 4 quarters.

SPI Chief
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Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 8:12 pm

uuuuuuggghhhhh the penalties. Killin us

Leaf
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Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
12/18/2018 3:52 pm

I think they are OVER hyped, but they aren’t all hype. They are still a good team. So while we probably should have won, a loss to them still isn’t on the same level as the ones to thoes other teams.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Leaf
12/18/2018 2:55 pm

Yes, I was told blah blah blah Sutton owns Rivers etc etc etc. I knew better.
It wasn’t losing to the Chargers specifically that stung. It was missing the opportunity to clinch the division and a 1st round bye, when they still have to play Seattle away, in which a loss now very likely means 5th seed.

Berserker
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Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 2:58 pm

On the bright side, if the LACs (still cannot stop the Clippers being the first team I think of when I see LAC) really are just over-hyped and flukey, then they should lose to Baltimore.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 3:01 pm

I expect the Chargers to beat the Ravens, because the Chargers are not a fluke. Even more importantly, their defense doesn’t suck.

Leaf
Leaf(@leaf)
Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 4:00 pm

I agree with that last part. I am definitely disappointed that we couldn’t clinch the division. The other to losses were easy to shrug off because they had little to no real impact on our final standing. This loss has made it so we have to be perfect the rest of the way.

Berserker
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Reply to  John Doerty
12/18/2018 2:07 pm

Mystery downvotes, hmm? Let’s see…. Do you hate Eric Berry? Think Marcus Peters and/or Kareem Hunt should still be on the team? Either dislike OR like Bob Sutton?

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 2:08 pm

I think Tony put in an auto-downvote-bot, that looks for any negative sentiment towards Sutton.

Berserker
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Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 2:12 pm

Genius!

Has Tony still got the most downvotes?

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 2:14 pm

Ha, I don’t know if Tony has the most downvotes, but that would be funny if he was in the lead.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/18/2018 4:43 pm

YUP. By a good margin. Although it looks like I collected another one today, which is weird because I don’t remember saying anything about Marcus Peters…. Oh wait, yeah I did.

HawaiiFiveOh
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Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/18/2018 5:07 pm

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SPI Chief
SPI Chief(@spi-chief)
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
12/18/2018 8:13 pm

Don’t bag on Towlie Cartmen!!

SPI Chief
SPI Chief(@spi-chief)
Reply to  John Doerty
12/18/2018 8:05 pm

Eh it happens. I know I earned a few because some people don’t understand sarcasm….as I go weep in the corner.

ChiefUdall
ChiefUdall(@chiefudall)
12/18/2018 12:21 pm

I think the 3 spot is about right. We can argue 1-5 and be correct at any number.
The next 2 weeks will be huge, need to reset and gain momentum going into the playoffs.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  ChiefUdall
12/18/2018 12:31 pm

It’s opinion obviously, but I put the Rams ahead because same record, and a H2H win over the Chiefs.

I also put the Chargers ahead, even though that logic is suspect because in actual seeding, the Chiefs are still ahead of them.

HawaiiFiveOh
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Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 12:44 pm

Considering the Rams and the Chiefs both lost at home this week, that’s a fair statement. One of the articles from the Morning Huddle was about how there’s no clear-cut best team this year because all of the top 4 teams (Saints, Rams, Chiefs, Chargers) have had some baffling losses (Saints/Rams/Chargers), or just looked pedestrian lately (Chiefs).

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 2:15 pm

I agree that the Chargers belong up there. Recency bias is legit in the NFL, if the point of rankings is to predict how teams might do in the playoffs. How a team played last week is probably a lot more relevant than how they played in Week 1, to their potential playoff performance.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 2:18 pm

Yeah, that’s how I viewed it, that even though Chiefs-Chargers split H2H, the most recent game (being Week 15) bears more significance than Week 1.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 2:31 pm

So, considering that, I just looked up FO’s weighted DVOA, which they just updated today for Week 15 games. And they still have us at #1. I did not expect that. Much less spread between KC and 2nd place in WEI than in regular DVOA, though. I guess we just kicked so much ass early in the season that our WEI is still coasting on the momentum.

Berserker
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 2:38 pm

Offensive DVOA rank #1, defensive rank #27. sigh

The only other team in the top twelve with close to that big of a disparity, is the Bears with their #23 ranked offense and #1 defense.

Aaaand… no other team in the top twelve DVOA rankings has one side of the ball ranked below 23rd.

Aaaaand… the only other team currently in the top 12 playoff seedings that has either offense or defense ranked below 23rd, is Dallas with their 26th ranked offense.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 2:48 pm

List of teams with either offense or defense ranked 27th or below in DVOA:
Chiefs (27th defense)
Cinci (28th defense)
TB (29th defense)
Oak (30th defense)
Det (31st defense)
Atl (32nd defense)
SF (27th offense)
Redskins (28th offense)
Jags (29th offense)
Jets (30th offense)
Buffalo (31st offense)
Cards (32nd offense)

Of the 8 teams currently in last place in their division, 7 of them are on that list.

None of the teams on that list are currently any better than 3rd place in their own division. Except, of course, the Chiefs.

What in the actual fuck are we doing on defense?

ArrowSpread
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 2:53 pm

Pinning our ears back! For 80 fukn plays a game.

Berserker
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Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 2:55 pm

I’ve been afraid to wade into Tony’s Defense of Sutton thread. Is that one of the ideas getting juggled around in there?

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 3:05 pm

I can’t even read Tony’s Sutton apologist stuff. And I have a ton of respect for Tony.
Anyhow, I can’t tell you what his article says, because I didn’t even make it past the article name.

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread(@arrowspread)
Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 3:08 pm

I didn’t stick around for too many comments.

My thoughts are just what I’ve been repeating: all our safeties are replacement level, our ILBs can’t cover a lick man to man downfield — or hell, even out of the flats, and are only slightly better in zone coverage. And all of our corners are slot guys and a lil undersized with the kind of coverage we run. And Sutton can’t coach his way out of it, at least to the point of fielding an average defense. The fact that EB has to have a tantrum for guys to get into position is.. It blows my mind, man. Either Harris and Emmitt can’t teach assignments, or Sutton isn’t giving them anything to teach.

“You, follow him. YOU, go with that guy.. “

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread(@arrowspread)
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 3:10 pm

Unless we get some kinda zone blitz guru up in here, tho… I fear the next DC is gonna have similar problems with the personnel.

It always seemed to me like Veach was eyeing a two year build-up into a championship team. If this year was supposed to be some kinda foundation-laying, though.. It has failed miserably.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 3:22 pm

Veach just way over-reacted to the poor run defense last season. I’m still halfway convinced that Sutton was doing about 60% of the steering in the offseason that brought us our big, slow “run stoppers.”

But on the other hand, Veach did get DoD, so he apparently does at least partly understand the value of that kind of undersized, fast defender.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 3:23 pm

You can’t coach speed.
I sure would like to hear Veach (and the new DC) making that a point of emphasis this coming off-season.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 3:34 pm

Reminds me of the 2007-2009 years, when we were called the slowest team in the NFL. Except of course this time it’s just the defense.

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread(@arrowspread)
Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 7:31 pm

And hopefully it’s not Scott Piolis version of an infusion of speed.

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread(@arrowspread)
Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 3:24 pm

I actually hope that is the case. We got way more problems if Veach is the one driving that bus.

Hopefully Sutton’s input is just trash.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 3:16 pm

Last night, I saw another ILB who did a much better coverage job than ours do. Not Kookly or Anzalone though… I’m talking about Thomas Davis, Sr, when he followed that TE down the field well enough that the pass bounced off his helmet.

Yeah, I know Davis used to be a fast, all-world awesome LB. But right now, he’s 35 years old. HE’S 35 YEARS OLD.

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread(@arrowspread)
Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 3:25 pm

You mean thrice-torn ACL Thomas Davis??

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 3:31 pm

Ok, so maybe there’s some deer antler in him. But he did look faster and better in coverage than our 25-26 year old ILBs.

And he’s got a Sr at the end of his name.

ArrowSpread
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 3:33 pm

Oh absolutely. I was just adding to your already-gross illustration.

Berserker
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Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 3:37 pm

I usually hate the idea of drafting an ILB early. But this next draft, I might actually like if that happened.

Because we can’t replace Hitchens with a FA. He costs too much to add more $$ to that position, and he can’t be traded or cut for a while. So to upgrade that position, it’d have to be somebody on a rookie contract.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 2:58 pm

They’re sucking ass on defense is what they’re doing, and that includes the DC. I’ve never claimed that they’re ok on personnel, I’m saying that Sutton is absolutely part of the problem and needs to go along with some meh DBs.
With this level of suck on D and still insisting on keeping Jordan Lucas on the bench for Sorenson / Murray / Parker….you need to retire Bob.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 3:02 pm

I still think a big problem is that Bob favors the classroom stars, the “likeable” guys, too much.

For example, if Sutton had a say in offensive personnel, I bet we would’ve kept Chark instead of D. Williams.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 3:07 pm

Yeah…the guys that in a classroom can tell you where they’re supposed to be, but on the actual field either:

  • fuck it up completely,
  • are too slow to get where they know they are supposed to be,
  • or get themselves too far out of position to have a chance of getting there.
Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Patomic Fist
12/18/2018 3:10 pm

I can just imagine how it goes. Sutton gets visibly frustrated every week when he sees his guys repeatedly being out of position. And then Tuesday-Friday, those same guys give all the right answers in film study, and Sutton convinces himself that this week will be the week it finally all comes together.

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread(@arrowspread)
Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 3:11 pm

And maybe that’s just it. He’s too scared to give a guy an F on the test.

John Doerty
John Doerty(@tsv0728)
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 3:13 pm

Coupled with his boss being afraid to give him an F, and you’ve got…well, you’ve seen it.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 3:29 pm

I think he might over-complicate the defense for the players. Like, I think he might try to explain the entire defense and the philosophy behind all of his ideas to the players. And then he expects the players to know all that stuff, and to keep it all in mind while they’re playing.

The best defenses have a simple framework, and each player has their own short list of if/thens. It’s the coordinator’s job to, well, coordinate the whole big picture. I think Bob is having his players try to do that part of his own job.

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread(@arrowspread)
Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 4:48 pm

Position coaches keep goin unmentioned.

When the OL was trash we weren’t blaming Pedersen or Nagy or Reid.. We were blaming Heck.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 5:05 pm

Well, I hope Al Harris isn’t our next DC.

ArrowSpread
ArrowSpread(@arrowspread)
Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 5:33 pm

Just sayin.. You go from Bob to Players.

Whats there for the position coaches?

Bob should absolutely be fired. But yea I do wonder about the techniques Emmitt Thomas is teaching these guys that rack up more penalties than any other team in the league for stuff that woulda been legal B.C when Emmitt last donned a helmet and pads.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  ArrowSpread
12/18/2018 8:04 pm

I’m not sure Emmitt is doing much directly with the players. I almost never see him directly coaching players at training camp. I got the impression that he’s mostly there as a mentor to Harris and maybe some other assistant coaches.

Patomic Fist
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Reply to  Berserker
12/18/2018 3:18 pm

I can’t think of any player that Sutton has let actually win a position, other than Peters who was so clearly better than the others that it would have been an instantly fireable offense not to start him as a rookie.

Even Chris Jones got his starting job due to injury (Bailey was IR’d in 2016).

In other words, Sutton decides the depth chart prior to week 1, and he isn’t changing it unless injury….and if the injured guy comes back, he automatically gets his job back.

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