Winners/Losers: Chiefs Vs Ravens

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The Kansas City Chiefs lose a game they should have won.

The Ravens were down multiple starters, but still found a way to beat the Chiefs. Who’s to blame?

Winners

Patrick Mahomes

He has a permanent spot on this winners list, but how can he not? He was 24/31 with 343 yards and 3 touchdowns, with an interception being his lone blemish. But it was on 3rd down, on a play that would have been a sack anyway, so as far as interceptions go it wasn’t bad.

Tyrann Mathieu (and His Bank Account)

Last week it was his bank account since the defense struggled without him, but this week it’s him and his bank account since the defense struggled outside of his two picks. Outside his interceptions, the Chiefs defense got two stops the entire night.

Travis Kelce

Like Hill’s big game last week that nobody talked about, Kelce’s big game will go underrated because it’s become expected. But with 7 catches for 109 yards, including an incredible 46 yard catch and run where he showed that my preseason worry about him becoming old and unathletic was completely wrong.

Receivers Not Named Hill or Kelce

Last week, this group was a loser, as they failed to do hardly anything. This week, they actually showed up, with guys not named Hill or Kelce combined for 220 receiving yards. This was a big worry for many in the offseason but in this game it wasn’t an issue.

Losers

The Defense

The Ravens were down starters on both sides of the ball. The offense took advantage, the defense did not. There is no excuse for them to give up 36 points to such a depleted Ravens team. The Ravens had 239 rushing yards on 41 carries for a monstrous 6.1 yards per attempt, and if that wasn’t bad enough, Lamar Jackson averaged 9.2 yards per pass attempt to get 239 yards through the air as well.

So far in this young season, this defense is making the 2018 version look good. If this doesn’t improve, they’ll have a hard time winning 3 or 4 straight playoff games. Mahomes will go down as the best quarterback ever, but even he isn’t perfect, yet perfection is what the defense is demanding of him.

Clyde Edwards-Helaire

The Chiefs were in prime position to win the game on a last second field goal, but Clyde coughed up the ball and gave the Ravens a win that should have belonged to the Chiefs. Considering that he hasn’t shown much for the high draft capital invested in him, this is the type of thing you absolutely can’t do.

Creed Humphrey

It may have just been one play, but his botched snap put the Chiefs in an impossible situation. Thankfully, a strong punt from Tommy Townsend saved the day, but it still is something that can’t happen and may have ended up costing the Chiefs the game had they been able to score points on that drive instead.

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MasterChief
MasterChief
09/20/2021 6:25 pm

Something was up with the team during the game with regards to their attitudes.

They looked unhappy the whole game. They kept showing closeups of Hill and Kelce, and showing the sidelines and I didn’t see the usual smiles and light-heartedness I usually see. This happened last year too in the SB. The team looked literally sad about something, like they had just been yelled at.

Stuckinpackland
Stuckinpackland
09/20/2021 4:12 pm

I still cannot believe the 2 illegal contact calls. I haven’t seen one of those in probably 2 years. I watch almost every game all season. Then there is 2 in one night on one guy when just a few plays earlier hill is getting mugged down field prior to the pass to cause an incompletion.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  Stuckinpackland
09/20/2021 6:18 pm

Agreed. Officiating was a shit show all night, and impacted plays by both teams. Those against us just seemed to be a bit more impactful.

river
river
Reply to  Maw423
09/20/2021 9:20 pm

Thought the PI call against Ward was crap. Pay the refs a million + a year if they’re good.
Dealing with bad calls year after year has to stop.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  river
09/20/2021 9:24 pm

the false start on the go ahead TD was by far the worst missed call of the game, on what turned out to be the most important play of the game

ArrowFan
ArrowFan
09/20/2021 3:57 pm

I know why they ran the ball on the fumble play. But I don’t know why anyone was able to so easily slap the ball out of CEH’s hand. At that point in the game, a two-yard lose doesn’t hurt anything and he should have known that. I go back to the preseason and Gore showed great awareness of game situations and I just wonder if he or anyone else would have been more situationally aware on that play?

John Doerty
John Doerty
Reply to  ArrowFan
09/20/2021 4:46 pm

He had two hands on the ball when he took the handoff. Like, he clearly understood the situation it seemed. Then when he is about to initiate contact he decides to stop holding on? I’m just going to remove one hand, and then loosen the grip from my other arm, AS I INITIATE CONTACT??? Bloody hell.

Nasrani
Nasrani
09/20/2021 3:23 pm

Creed Humphrey also completely whiffed on a block that caused the Mahomes INT.

It’s a growing pain, but one that still hurts, to be sure.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  Nasrani
09/20/2021 3:30 pm

I need to rewatch but I kind of remember him stopping and then Mahomes running past him. Thats a tough play for a lineman. If he gets downfield and the QB throw it then its penalty.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
09/20/2021 3:54 pm

If it’s the play I’m thinking of, the guy Humphrey needed to block just kind of bounced off of him and went straight to Mahomes.

To his credit Humphrey tried to make up for it, but it hurt to watch.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  Nasrani
09/20/2021 3:59 pm

Yeah but didnt he come off the block to the side. I think if pat stayed behind him it would have been fine. Again I need to rewatch

ArrowFan
ArrowFan
09/20/2021 3:09 pm

The biggest losers are the coaches Reid and both coordinators But Spags should carry the majority of the blame. My Jr. High defense coach can come up with a better plan to handle the QB option.

upamtn
Reply to  ArrowFan
09/20/2021 3:14 pm

My Jr. High defense coach can come up with a better plan to handle the QB option

then why don’t you urge him to submit an application to the team to be DC?

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  upamtn
09/20/2021 3:32 pm

Dude when somebody gets a bad haircut do you say “well maybe you should cut your own hair”?

ArrowFan
ArrowFan
Reply to  upamtn
09/20/2021 3:50 pm

Rule 1 with any QB option is to hit the QB on every play regardless of who has the ball. If a QB wants to act like a RB then he should be treated like one. Look at it like this. On any given run play or play-action play does the Defense typically wait to see if the RB gets the ball before they commit to stopping him? The answer is no. As a Defense, you assume the RB is getting the ball and commit to stopping him. The secret if you want to call it that for stopping Lamar is to assume he has the ball and cover him. I’m sure this will open up other types of plays but just letting him run free is a bad mistake and the reason they ran all over us. Like I said my Jr. High football coach knew a lot more about slowing down or stopping a QB option offense than does Spags.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
09/20/2021 2:37 pm

I would put Juan Thornhill in the winners column as well. When the guy above you on the depth chart was missing tackles left and right, the coaches should give a chance to the next guy.

Losers

Refs called penalties that weren’t penalties. They missed obvious ones. They missed calls on both sides, but ours were super impactful.

Coach Reid seems to not feel the game sometimes. He either overthinks the situations or is a slave to what the percentages say. Against the Ravens we should have let Mahomes try to get the td as fast as possible. Make Lamar go 75 yards in less than a minute with no timeouts. Make him beat us with his arm and see if he can call the plays at the line. I haven’t seen him do that yet. Playing for the fg with no time left is something you do against Rodgers or Brady.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  Severely Concussed
09/20/2021 2:41 pm

What have you seen that makes you think Spags/Reid have the balls to bench guys like Sorenson, Niewoman, or Hitchens?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
09/20/2021 2:48 pm

I don’t think Hitchens is near the liability the other two are.

Reid has benched poor performers before. Marcus Cooper, Lesean McCoy, Leveon Bell.

Sorenson might be the difficult one though. Because he makes a really good play to every 5 bad ones.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
09/20/2021 2:58 pm

yeah well, guess what … yesterday Sorenson was one of the leading tacklers on the Chiefs (Thornhill, in limited snaps, made no plays, or at least isn’t listed: no tackles, no passes defended, nothing)

oh, and the Chiefs had all of one sack yesterday … by #49 for what it’s worth

so all you haters can just take THIS!

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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
09/20/2021 3:01 pm

That shirt might not be complimentary.

Who missed that tackle?

Daniel Fuckin’ Sorenson.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
09/20/2021 3:12 pm

and your point? that, Sorenson is human? Mahomes tossed an INT that he COULD have simply thrown away, CEH coughed up the ball at just about the worst time and place possible, the entire front line (Defense DEs and DTs) somehow managed to vanish for the entire game (and you thought it would be impossible for Clark & Jones to become invisible … ha!) while Sorenson and a very few others were making the stops (check the stats)

Stuckinpackland
Stuckinpackland
Reply to  upamtn
09/20/2021 4:09 pm

Holy shit, making stops?!?! They were either getting blown 10 yards off the ball and jumping on the pile or completely missing tackles all together they fucking suck and they stick out like sore thumbs on this defense. Sorenson and Nieman belong on special teams where they can only negatively impact a handful of plays each game

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  Stuckinpackland
09/20/2021 6:14 pm

Sorenson is just fine when he’s playing the role he should be. Playing the 3rd safety where he can simply attack, rather than read and react, is where he shines. Even in this game he was a bright spot when allowed to play to his strengths.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
09/20/2021 4:46 pm

Hey man. You seem to be getting rather hostile for a peace loving hippie. These are just my opinions and I am not asking for Dan to be cut. Just relegated to the third safety where he typically thrives.

Here is some blues as a peace offering.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
09/21/2021 11:19 am

not at all “hostile” … just hoping to get (some of) my AG friends to wake the phuque up and realize that our favorite team isn’t perfect

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  Severely Concussed
09/20/2021 3:18 pm

Did he bench those guys or did he just not play them?

I need to rewatch and watch 53. Honestly my opinion is based his name never getting called and one play where I saw his ass get handed to him by a towel boy. Or maybe it was a wr. No need to watch 56. That guy just flat out sucks. Just sucks.

upamtn
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
09/20/2021 3:08 pm

snide comments aside, name-calling (Niewoman? really???) makes you sound like a 14 year old without a clue … that said, I urge you to try out for the team at LB: you’re quick to criticize others … but can you do it yourself?

talk, as they say, is cheap

Hitchens: 9 solo tackles, 12 total tackles
Bolton: 8 solo tackles, 9 total tackles
Sorenson: 7 solo tackles, 10 total tackles, 1 Sack (only sack from KC)
Mathieu: 6 solo tackles, 6 total tackles, 2 INT

NOBODY else had more than 3 solo tackles … not one other guy on the entire defense and it wasn’t even close (Clark with 2 tackles, Jones with 1 assist on a tackles … the front line itself – DEs and DTs combined – did basically nothing all day long

if you’re going to criticize, at least place SOME of the “blame” where it belongs: a Defensive Front that couldn’t stop the running game, period

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  upamtn
09/20/2021 3:24 pm

Sorry Nieeunoch. Is that better? Honestly I feel bad for him. Its not his fault that they keep trotting him out there to get embarrassed. I get paid no money to play LB. Sorry that argument is fucking stupid.

To your point safeties leading the team in tackles means that your front 7 is failing horribly.

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
09/20/2021 3:16 pm

I’d also love seeing the Chiefs RUN THE BALL … you know: chew up some clock time so the Defense isn’t constantly on the field

at this point, I’d bring up Gore from PS and put CEH there instead … (yes, I’m completely serious)

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  upamtn
09/20/2021 3:34 pm

Seemed like we were getting too cute with our run plays. Im not excusing CEH but cant we just have the olineman block the guys in front of them?

Last edited 1 month ago by DenverDonkeyHater
upamtn
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
09/21/2021 11:20 am

cant we just have the olineman block the guys in front of them?

hey, that sounds like a plan …

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  Severely Concussed
09/20/2021 3:24 pm

Clete Blakeman has caused problems for us in the past. He’s no Jeff Triplette, but we’ve been on the receiving end of some of his worse calls, and they’ve cost us games before.

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ArrowFan
ArrowFan
Reply to  Nasrani
09/20/2021 3:53 pm

The first one on Matthews was at least arguable but the second was a ghost flag. Both together seriously calls into question his integrity.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  ArrowFan
09/20/2021 4:01 pm

I thought it was the opposite. The first one he just touched the guy but didnt affect the route. The second one was a nudge which made the wr step slightly off, but not by much

upamtn
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
09/21/2021 11:22 am

now see? THIS is why I loathe fans “blaming the refs” … granted they aren’t perfect (nobody is!) but right here is a perfect example: you and ArrowFan both saw the EXACT SAME PLAYS (with the benefit of replay, no less!) and came to different conclusions

the refs have a million things going on in realtime, and it’s superfast bing bang boom … give ’em a break

Stuckinpackland
Stuckinpackland
Reply to  Severely Concussed
09/20/2021 4:06 pm

We hadn’t stopped them all night. U can’t blame Reid for ceh coughing it up

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Stuckinpackland
09/20/2021 6:36 pm

We had a massive chance to win it if he just holds on.

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