Tuesday Night O/T: The entire city watched the Chiefs beat the Bills, and we’re closing in on a record.

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If you were to guess what percentage of the televisions that were on Sunday night were watching the AFC championship, what would you guess? Yeah we love our Chiefs, but surely there’s a lot of households that don’t care about sports, or are from other cities and don’t care about the Chiefs, etc. Maybe 50%? That seems like a high number. Is 70% unreasonably high?

No, it turns out it was even more than that.

That is an unbelievable number. And speaking of unbelievable numbers, the Chiefs are approaching a new record.

To be favored in a playoff game is impressive. You’re playing the top teams in the league, and yet Vegas still thinks you’re going to win. To be favored in 10 consecutive playoff games requires an insane level of consistency. Not only do you have to be good, you have to be so good that nobody else can even touch you.

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pompano
01/26/2021 11:06 pm
Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
01/26/2021 9:58 pm

I really wanted to buy a couple of these, but it would be cheaper to be in the ICU with Covid.
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pompano
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/26/2021 10:28 pm

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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  pompano
01/26/2021 10:41 pm

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pompano
01/26/2021 9:44 pm

The privatization/for profit model of the prison system should never have been allowed to happen.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  pompano
01/26/2021 9:49 pm

Lol. Have you forgotten what country you live in? That’s funny. 🤣

pompano
Reply to  probablyamistake
01/26/2021 10:23 pm

hey, banks can be trusted to operate in thier own best long term interests, why would they not?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
01/26/2021 9:49 pm

Won’t hear me argue. Everything else aside, it created an industry that lobbies to keep them full, by whatever means they can bring to bear.

I won’t say it was a bad experiment, but you have to pay close attention when you are experimenting, and that wasn’t done.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  pompano
01/26/2021 9:58 pm

People imprisoned by The State need to be in prisons run by The State. Period. Though the for profit prison population is incredibly small compared to the rest of the overall prison population. The vast majority of the prison population is actually in holding prior to sentencing, waiting for bail, or waiting to be charged. There’s an article I found about prison populations I’m referring to. I’ll see if I can dig it up because it was actually pretty enlightening.

pompano
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/26/2021 10:27 pm

curious to see CAs %.
i believe they handed off alot.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  pompano
01/26/2021 10:46 pm
pompano
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/26/2021 11:02 pm

a lot to digest, bookmarked.
thx

QuackTastic
QuackTastic
01/26/2021 8:38 pm

Gonna be a late night for me fellers. My 7 month son has chicken pox, was supposed to be down for the night and just woke up and is active as all hell.

pompano
Reply to  QuackTastic
01/26/2021 8:43 pm

that suck for you both..soothing music?

there are much better renditions but this vid style is new to me. 🙂

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SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  QuackTastic
01/26/2021 9:08 pm

Glad to be out of that stage of life. Now I just spend my time telling my teenager to go to bed. LOL

MasterChief
MasterChief
01/26/2021 8:02 pm

Man, is this a great time to be a Chiefs fan! To the Chiefs!!!comment image

pompano
Reply to  MasterChief
01/26/2021 8:04 pm

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BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
01/26/2021 8:13 pm

I could look it up, but I’m lazy. Is that the gal who played Fiona on Burn Notice?

slackator
slackator
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 8:15 pm

No I dont think so

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  slackator
01/26/2021 8:23 pm

Maybe not, then, and no nipple popping up top, which might be a clue.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 10:03 pm

No, no, no. That is no Fiona

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  NovaChiefs
01/26/2021 10:19 pm

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NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/26/2021 10:25 pm

THAT’S Fiona! I loved how they wrote out her accent between the pilot and Season 1.
Michael: “New look, new accent?”
Fiona: “I’m in Miami now and I thought I should fit in”
Done. Move on.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  NovaChiefs
01/26/2021 10:27 pm

My favorite TV show of the mid-2000s.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/26/2021 11:40 pm

Believe it or not, Jeffery Donovan actually played Mrs BRAG’s (fictionalized, of course father in a small production movie titled “Believe In Me”, based on the account fictionalized by his uncle, a young adult writer of some acclaim in his day. The name of the press box of the Sooners’ stadium’s also named after the uncle, and apparently the FIL had known Jim Gardner during their time at OU.

Truth is stranger than fiction, but that ain’t the half of it. Anyone interested in weird coincidences should ask me about the basketball camp tale.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  pompano
01/26/2021 8:25 pm

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pompano
Reply to  Severely Concussed
01/26/2021 8:35 pm

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SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  MasterChief
01/26/2021 8:06 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 7:55 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 8:26 pm

One of the overlooked things about Mahomes is that in his first season, he had a hard count that was as good as about any vet QB in the league, and it’s only improved since then. Seen it mentioned on a couple of the more player-oriented, nut and bolts type clips, but the word’s out in the league, this guy’s particularly good at it.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
01/26/2021 7:54 pm

Watching the show Alone. Man…to last in the Arctic for 70 days and not win would be horrible.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  SCKSChief
01/26/2021 7:58 pm

Awesome show

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 8:23 pm

Oh damn…Day 72, midnight, some dude just burned down his shelter. Below zero temps. Ugh…

John Doerty
John Doerty
Reply to  SCKSChief
01/26/2021 10:59 pm

Not sure what season you’re on but the contestants get badder and badder. It’s clear that some of those sons of bitches not only could do it forever, but kinda want to.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 7:53 pm

7pm mst
INSIDE THE NFL on showtime:)

upamtn
01/26/2021 7:44 pm

ok, I gots that COSMOS video to finish … damn The Universe is mind-boggling

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 8:27 pm

It’s not just larger than you imagine, it’s larger than you can imagine.

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 8:37 pm

” I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to space.”
RIP Doug

BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:37 pm

Got some really good conversations going on tonight, just the way I like it.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:38 pm

We try

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:39 pm

Can we talk about your lack of Images for open threads?

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 7:42 pm

Doctor my eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyes … I cannot see the sky
Is this the priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice … for having learned how not to cry?

Jackson Browne

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 7:47 pm

awesome Wolfman!

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 8:28 pm

I give you videos, and now you want pix, too?

Greedy wretch. 😉

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:40 pm

that’s the way (uh huh! uh huh!) I like it (uh huh! uh huh!)

/drops mic

ok, I’ll stop now …

MSnCO
MSnCO
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 10:25 pm

Thanks. That was bad.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:23 pm

KC Chiefs Unrestricted Free Agents: Let’s Debate, who do you keep:
Taco Charlton – DE
Ricky Seals Jones – TE
LeVeon Bell – RB
Mike Pennel – DT
Antonio Hamilton – CB
Stefen Winsniewski – LG
Daniel Kilgore – C
Tanoh Kpassagnon – DE
Anthony Sherman – FB
Kelechi Osemele – LG
Mike Remmers – RG
Austin Reiter – C
Demarcus Robinson – WR
Damien Wilson – LB
Bashaud Breeland – CB
Daniel Sorensen – S
Sammy Watkins – WR

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:24 pm

Keep in mind…
Chiefs are currently listed as $17-18 million over the projected $175 million salary cap total. There are some new reports suggesting that the projected cap number for the league will be closer to $180 million.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:27 pm

do the rules allow the Chiefs to re-sign vets to a minimum like last year?

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:30 pm

Above salaries account for a total of: $39m ish

Top 5 are:
Sammy – $9m
Daniel S – $4m
Bashaud B – $3m
Alex O – $3m
Damiem W – $3m

Total – $22m

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:33 pm

but that is already accounted for since they are off the books

the Over the cap number is Chiefs contracts for active players next year

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:34 pm

cutting LDT an Schwartz gain us what?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:47 pm

cutting LDT is a negative 2 million. Cutting Schwartz is 6 million is savings . Cutting Fisher is 11 million in savings. I don’t expect both starting Tackles to be o the roster next year

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/26/2021 6:50 pm

maybe LDT will flat retire and save us the 2 million

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:51 pm

if he retires then we are still on the hook for the 2M. My guess is that is part of his pro rated bonus which has already been paid out

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/26/2021 6:53 pm

agree and well

I do think the Offensive Line is where the Chiefs should look to get younger and cheaper and the Linebacker position also

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 7:31 pm

agree … Mitch and maybe Fish … can we get DeCastroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo? (I kid, I kid!)

slackator
slackator
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:51 pm

I doubt it with his posting on Twitter a couple of weeks ago he’ll be back next year and ready to go

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/26/2021 7:34 pm

cutting LDT is a negative 2 million

PAY THE MAN!!!

yeah, much as I love me some a “Big Fish & Mitch” Sandwich, it’s gettin’ time to change the menu … Mitch being hurt, likel gone on his own, and Fish be too pricey (doubt he sits out and just rehabs and comes back in 2020, he’d be gettin’ up there agewise)

upamtn
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:40 pm

Sammy … that’s a chunk of change for a part-time player

other guys are reasonable
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BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 7:17 pm

IMO Sorensen’s a lot more cost-effective than he’s given credit for. He appears to be one of Spags’ Swiss army knives, not the best tool for any particular job, but can do a lot of things as needed. He’s no glamour hound, and Mike Rowe would love him, I expect. Any dirty jobs at hand? Call in Dan, he’ll do it.

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:24 pm

IMO Sorensen’s a lot more cost-effective than he’s given credit for

I’ve been saying for years … can’t count how many times I’ve gone round and round with Berserker about #49 (though I suspect he secretly gives the guy more credit than he admits) … from what I’ve read, he’s also a workaholic, studying, improving, and knowing his game … “smarts” count for a lot and can make up for a lot of sins (just like paint!)

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 7:31 pm

Smarts, indeed. Remember Maslowski? Marginal LB athletically, but he was smart enough to make up for that, while he lasted.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:32 pm

Also, in cook-speak, an ounce of sauce can cover up a pound of sins, or something to that effect.

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:38 pm

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm bring it, baby!

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 7:46 pm

an Ounce, Sauce, or Sins?

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 8:02 pm

an ounce of sin sauce?

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:38 pm

Maz!

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 7:41 pm

King of the solo tackle…8-10 yards downfield.

pompano
Reply to  SCKSChief
01/26/2021 8:52 pm

tbf the defense got worse when he got hurt, mighta made some noise that year (but prob not)

Snafu
Snafu
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:50 pm

Didn’t Shannon Sharpe burn him for about a 70 TD?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Snafu
01/26/2021 8:37 pm

Dunno, but it seems likely. As I said, not the most athletically gifted guy, but smart enough to compensate, somewhat. Well enough to make the roster, at least.

I liked him, but I can’t say he’s great, just smart, tough, and scrappy.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:49 pm

wow! with 10 million in rollover and only 700k in dead cap for next season and they are still 19 M in the hole. That is terrible

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/26/2021 6:51 pm

What is Hitchens status?

Veach worked that cap big time but here we are playing in the Super Bowl in a week and a half

well worth it

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:56 pm

2 million in savings , 8 million in dead cap. YA, it is worth it now, but we are in some real cap trouble starting next year. The one positive is that this is a great culture in KC and players want to play with Mahomes. So guys will take less in free agency. But it will be harder and harder to attract top tier FA’s unless they get the cap under control

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/26/2021 7:00 pm

To be fair though, nobody’s in good shape for the cap next year. This year was kind of the warning tremors before the massive earthquake that is the NFL top team shakeup next year. KC’s got the best core in the league locked up, but who knows either who we can afford to keep, let alone upgrade from someone else’s scrap heap.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/26/2021 7:03 pm

Veach has done a great job in the draft after the Breeland Speaks miss

He will draft players the Coaches can coach up

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 7:09 pm

Draft, UDFA, overlooked FA gems, practice squads, and vets who are basically on the street until next season, he’ll look everywhere. Finance has had months to prepare, and I’m sure that between them and their leader there’s a plan in place. Maybe not finalized, but something to work from.

I bet Veach has already been having conversations to that effect with players and agents.

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:26 pm

all this and most likely more

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 7:11 pm

don’t forget about Tim Terry. He ha been very big in constructing this roster

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/26/2021 7:05 pm

Fair point. The only contending team that is in great cap situation is Indy with 68M. They would be a team to keep an eye on in 2021. The saints are 112 M in the hole!! That has to be a typo

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/26/2021 7:28 pm

$112 in the hole? hole-y shit … they’re gonna need a bigger stimulus check

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 7:45 pm

Hell a hole that size in New Orleans is a flood

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/26/2021 7:05 pm

Personally, I wonder if they’re really going to just cut the cap and leave it at that, but that’s for the postseason.

I recall hearing that the League was considering treating cap overages as some sort of “loan” to older players, but I dunno, the optics of that aren’t so hot. With a flat, reduced cap, no exemptions, a lot of expensive vets W/O contracts are going to be out a lot of money if they sign to play in 2021.

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:28 pm

valid possibilities … the pandemic has changed everything, it’s a fluid and dynamic situation til they get back to having butts in the seats again

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/26/2021 7:01 pm

According to Reid, A lot of the players respect Veach, and he’s always a step ahead. Right from the Walrus’ mouth, and he’s not a man given to lying.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:44 pm

who can you sign is the question

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
01/26/2021 6:45 pm

ton of guys are gonna hit the market

cause not many teams have any cap to sign their own just like us

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 9:37 pm

I think the owners are gonna get together and they will likely eat the difference and not drop the cap. Those guys aint eager to let the cores of their teams hit the free agent market as cap casualties. They can afford it, they will still be turning a nice profit and not destroying their teams over a one year shitstorm beyond their control is worth the investment IMO. League meeting during suoerbowl week will most likely addres it. It would be stupid to gut teams to meet that cap

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  WaywerdSon
01/26/2021 9:47 pm

Basically, or they put it on the table for the next meeting, looking for options and plans. I know that the image is millionaires being greedy at most times, but billionaires being understanding at least, if not generous, would do a ton for the league’s image.

Being miserly about it is what everyone expects, but that would only make the point more clear: We’ll tighten our belts in order to provide you with the best possible product on Sundays. *Sigh* Which means that they probably won’t do it, but it’s a cheaper dream than buying a lotto ticket.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 9:49 pm

They are collectively greedy but individually quite generous.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/26/2021 9:52 pm

The players who actually are millionaires? You bet, and a lot who make less, too.

The billionaires, not so much.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 10:15 pm

I don’t know about that. The Rooneys, Hunts, Amy Adams Strunk (Titans), Arthur Blank (Falcons) and Bob McNair (deceased) have all had pretty good reputations for philanthropy. Of course there’s also quite a lot of assholes among the owners too, like the Spanos, Stan Kroenke, Al and Mark Davis, and so on.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:25 pm

till we have cleared 18 million+ in cap we cannot keep any of them

slackator
slackator
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:31 pm

Keep: Taco, Wisniewski, KPass, Sherman, Osemele, Breeland
Let go: Bell, Wilson, Watkins
The rest I leave up to those smarter than me, even Sorenson who has always been on my let walk list. As for the money, its not my money and Veach and Co. turned $176 into Mahomes, Jones, Watkins, Osemele, Bell, and a few others so Im sure they have a plan in place to make it work

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  slackator
01/26/2021 6:37 pm

Which is why I considered likely cost in my off-the-cuff comment. Of course, who I want to stay takes a back seat to who will actually stay, but my guess is that a lot rides on how willing each player is to play ball with Team Veach. That’s why Watkins staying on seems like a real possibility in my view. He’s already danced that dance a time or two, after all.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 6:41 pm

Watkins would be well served to stay in KC for whatever they offer

He is not a young pup and would probably get cut with any new team he signs with

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:45 pm

he may not get cut if it’s guaranteed, but how much anyone will guarantee a guy who’s been hurt both the last two seasons for big chunks of time is unclear … so there’s that

if I can flat save $9M he be a ghost, we gots DRob, Pringle and more (IMO)

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 6:47 pm

I will check but

Sammie Watkins is an unrestricted free agent after the Super Bowl

We don’t save any money cause his contract is done

Robinson is also done here unless we Re-sign him

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upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 7:31 pm

gotcha

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  slackator
01/26/2021 7:20 pm

I’d sure like to keep Remmers because I can see the team being without Fish and Schwartz.

slackator
slackator
Reply to  SCKSChief
01/26/2021 8:13 pm

I dont know or watch enough about OL to be able to make a call on them, other than Ive liked what Ive seen from Wis and Osemele when they have been able to play

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:31 pm

While cost is a factor, I presume that’s not a part of this. So, let me see. Right off the bat I like Remmers, Sherman, and Sorensen. I think those guys bring a lot of non-obvious value to the team and should stay reasonably priced. Taco’s probably a good bet to return, since I think a large part of him coming here was to rehab his rep, but he didn’t get a lot of tape during the season. Osemele’s likely in the same boat, depending on how his knees heal up. I expect Watkins to play contract ball to stay, he loves it in KC, it’s his dream team and he’s happy here.

3rdnlong
3rdnlong
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 7:11 pm

Cut: Seals-Jones; Bell; Hamilton; DRob; Sammy; Kilgore;

Keep: Taco; Pennel if cheap; Wiz; Kpass; Sausage; Osemele; Remmers; Reiter; Wilson; Breeland; Dirty Dan.

Debate on.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  3rdnlong
01/26/2021 7:22 pm

My big question is: When will Osemele actually be healthy enough to try playing? Two knees for a man his size could prove problematic. Love him if he’s healthy.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  SCKSChief
01/26/2021 7:35 pm

Tendons, not ligaments, so while I have no clue about prognosis, it’s not the usual knee injury in play here. Guess I should consult Mrs BRAG on that.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:43 pm

Good reminder. One would think that a tendon would take longer to heal, but I just used the old google machine and it’s remarkable how much quicker the healing time is.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  SCKSChief
01/26/2021 7:51 pm

Osemele was seen at practice facility recently. He’s up and running. Probably good for next year

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  zulu trader
01/26/2021 7:52 pm

He was there, not participating in any capacity. The #70 was some dude they just signed.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  SCKSChief
01/26/2021 8:29 pm

Can confirm. I think BJ mentioned it in a twit, but if not him, someone.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 7:39 pm

Out: Seals Jones, Bell, Watkins, Kilgore, Sherman, KPass, Wilson, Robinson
Keep: Charlton, Pennel, Wis, Osemele, Remmer, Reiter (gawd I hate saying that), Breeland, Sorenson

Until Niang is a player and the Chiefs can find some quality/cheap younger OL, they have to keep all they can.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  SCKSChief
01/26/2021 7:42 pm

Any other year and two time Super Bowl and three time AFC championship talent would be drawing huge Free Agent contract money

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 7:44 pm

I would love to see some of these guys draw big interest from other teams, work some of those comp picks.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  SCKSChief
01/26/2021 8:22 pm

Good point, and Team Veach is very good indeed at IDing talent in the later rounds. What he could do with say, four in the 3rd, could have a jackpot payoff. It’s not all Veach, of course, but I think he’s got a really solid personnel-side team to be his eyes, and maybe a system of evaluation the rest of the NFL can’t touch due to staying traditional.

One of the hallmarks of our team now is that traditional methods mean little, functional methods rule. You see it on both sides of the ball, and with Veach as GM, having been with Andy since his first day, it’s likely they operate the same way. Anyone remember me opining that traditional statistics don’t measure this team or anyone on it very well? If Veach uses non-traditional stats in his team’s evals, it would not be surprising, at least to me.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 7:45 pm

Remmers is the only keep on that list that I would pay any more than close to the vet minimum.

Close to vet minimum guys I would bring back:

Sorenson
Wilson
KO
Sherman
Kpass
Pennell
Taco

The rest of the guys will be too expensive or easily replaced.

BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 6:09 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 5:54 pm

Likely an unpopular thing to consider, considering that a lot of folks dislike Frank Clark, but what if Clark’s sack production has less to do with him having “lost it”, and more to do with playing the role his DC has assigned him?

Now I can’t speak for anyone else, but if that’s the case, I’d rather be having him do his actual job rather than chasing some sack total number. And if sacks are part of the incentive pay in his contract, he’s literally cutting that part of the pay out in order to do so. I think that on both sides of the ball this team is so different from how the rest of the league plays that traditional stats fall apart for some things, but few if any seem to have noticed it.

kcfreak725
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 6:00 pm

I’m of the belief that in certain games, it is how he’s being schemed, especially when the QB is mobile, in which he needs to act as a spy. Do I wish he has more sacks? Absolutely. But I do think it’s not entirely on him.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  kcfreak725
01/26/2021 6:06 pm

I’m sure lack of production on the IDL is a big contributor to his own numbers. I bet the scheme was not just a mobile QB, but good run and screen games that could do that too. Bills, Ravens, Saints, Texans, Panthers, and Raiders all had either good run games or mobile QBs or both.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
01/26/2021 6:11 pm

I may have missed it

But I have not seen a lot of complaining from us on the Chiefs run Defense this year.

Now in my mind the Chiefs would welcome most enemy teams to run the ball

analytics and all say that passing makes more Yards per play than running

Some wild stat which I might be wrong on

the Chiefs are averaging 5 points per Offensive drive….
by all means kick a FG opponent, you just lost 2 points to Mahomes and the Chiefs

workingmansdead
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:25 pm

When you play with a lead, run defense isn’t tested much

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  workingmansdead
01/26/2021 6:31 pm

truth

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:36 pm

yanno what I think? just a hunch here, but I honestly think these dudes, player or coaches or anyone else, really gives a shit about stats and numbers EXCEPT the scoreboard at the end of the game … it’s all about winning individual match-ups, winning the one-on-ones each and every time (to the maximum degree possible) on every single play, both sides, all game long, even the tiny things, in the trenches and on the routes … do the “math” and if your team wins more individual match-ups than the over team, thee’s a higher likelihood of your team scoring more points, and that means winning the game, and that’s what it’s all about … the rest will take care of itself

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 6:38 pm

and of course the rubbing the other teams nose in it while you are doing it!!!!

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 7:12 pm

Pretty much my thought. With this team, the only thing that matters is Ws and Ls, the rest is gravy. Both sides of the ball, too.

SBs pay rather well, to boot, and wearing a Ring or two doesn’t hurt one’s post-career prospects a bit.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 6:03 pm

Maybe the Chiefs players need to put a Super Bowl incentive into their contracts?

I do think you are onto something though, Frank Clark seems to get sacks when it is time to get sacks at the end of the game when we are trying to sweep the Leg and finish em.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:24 pm

One thing that caught my eye this season was what appeared to be a particular emphasis on batted balls by the OL. This makes some sense, since you don’t need to “win” against your guy to succeed on that, so you can be ready to act faster than getting to the QB. As far as statistics go, sacks may be losing some value to that sort of strategy. Do you want sacks, which are harder to get, or batted balls, which are a lot easier to come by?

Then there’s the consideration that the rushers don’t keep playing their ‘A’ game throughout the game, but that doesn’t mean that they can’t spend that time setting their guy up for the opportunity to bring the heat when it really matters. The defenders pretty much have no idea what the rush plans will be, once they actuallt start going for sacks.

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:30 pm

Maybe the Chiefs players need to put a Super Bowl incentive into their contracts?

Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve!

FYI: they have that already … SB’s pay quite well, I can assure you

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 6:21 pm

Absolutely. There seem to be alot of wrinkles to this defense regarding DEs, and simply rushing the passer is not the end all be all. The fact that he can dominate at will in games where he’s been turned loose seems to give your observation quite a bit of weight.

slackator
slackator
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 6:25 pm

I think when these guys play hundreds of snaps a year people need to change their mindset in thinking youre only good if you get a sack in 10 or so of them. Theres so much more to defense then 10 sacks a year

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 6:28 pm

I’d rather be having him do his actual job rather than chasing some sack total number

hear! hear! I heartily approve n agree n shit like that …

FYI: I was thinking a bit ago (always dangerous) about KC almost always playing from behind in playoffs, and I wondered about “why” that would be … is Spags basically doing a “Read & React” first Defensive series to see WTF opposition is doing and then adjusts the D accordingly? just thinking out loud that it would make a lot of sense to acall some “basic shit” early, see what THEY do to how WE line in base, and THEN play a game of “gotcha!” … maybe?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 6:30 pm

I guess sorta

But the Chiefs playing from behind is usually cause we had some major screw-ups from the Special teams or turnovers early

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 6:41 pm

hey, everyone’s human … until it’s a Madden Video

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/26/2021 7:27 pm

Considering that with Mahomes under center, if the Chiefs score first, they’re 23-5. When the opponent scores first, they’re 21-4. I think Ups sees the same thing I see. Nothing fancy on either side until they figure out what the other team’s doing, then adjusting on the fly to keep things at worst close. Burn a quarter that way, see how they try to adjust to the changes, and then after the half, let’em have it.

Also, I’m convinced that Mahomes has basically become Reid’s eyes on the field, since with perfect memory he can describe things well and provide a lot of details that can’t be seen from the sideline or the press box. That allows for superior in-game adjustments on the offense’s side. I doubt that when Reid and Pat huddle up over the pad they’re talking about Animal Crossing, they’re taking observations, planning and plotting. And look at Kelce, Pat’s got a definite knack for getting inside his teammates’ heads, so why wouldn’t he be the same way with his coach?

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 7:38 pm

he can describe things well and provide a lot of details that can’t be seen from the sideline or the press box

don’t discount the press box view, also (maybe more importantly) Kelce, Hill & Co can input as well (along with Mahomes)

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 8:34 pm

Oh, I’m not, not at all, but every team has that, in one form or fashion. But the view from where the action is isn’t the same thing, and my guess is that most coaches can’t “see through the QB’s eyes” anywhere close to what Pat and Andy have going on. He sees details that aren’t obvious from any other vantage.

As for the guys you mentioned, I’m not discounting them, either, it’s just my focus was on 2:15PM.

paulkcc
paulkcc
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/27/2021 10:31 am

Isn’t it great to have a DC who can actually make adjustments during a game.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 5:50 pm

Early Tampa, FL weather:
73 high | 56 low 8 mph wind

Vegas:
Chiefs a 3.5 point fav
Total points 57.5

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 5:52 pm

I reached out to my boy in Broncos front office to ask if any Broncos players will be selling tickets to SB. IF…..I score tickets. I’ll stay with an EX Girlfriend in Tampa 🙂

upamtn
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:23 pm

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice! good luck, Brother …

oh, those burnt ends … ? 😉

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 6:25 pm

my boys chewed up my bbq stash, after the game 🙁 Since no places were opened after game

upamtn
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 6:37 pm

it’s all good … hope they enjoyed it!

MSnCO
MSnCO
Reply to  upamtn
01/26/2021 10:49 pm

Was that the burnt ends you were referring to? I was going in a different direction.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
01/26/2021 5:45 pm

Watch “Kansas City Chiefs 2021 Super Bowl Hype video” on YouTube

BleedingRedAndGold
01/26/2021 5:42 pm
Nasrani
Nasrani
01/26/2021 5:34 pm

You been runnin’, hidin’ much too long
You know it’s just your foolish pride

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