Tuesday Night O/T: Should Julian Edelman be in the Hall of Fame?

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With the news of Edelman’s retirement, some have said he should be in the Hall of Fame.

The problem with this idea is that Edelman simply didn’t put up the numbers, and didn’t have the accolades, to make it. He would be the first player to make the Hall of Fame without making a Pro Bowl or All Pro team, and has fewer receiving yards and touchdowns than Dwayne Bowe (not to mention Bowe has a Pro Bowl). If he had played on any team but the Patriots nobody would be even remotely considering him to be a Hall of Fame player.

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EAFOX
04/13/2021 11:13 pm

Interesting timeline (who knows how accurate)
1182 – end of Trojan War, death of Agamemnon
1100 – Dorian Invasion (Return of the descendants of Heracles – whom, according to myth, defeated the grandson of Agamemnon
Somewhere between 800-700 – Homer writes down the Iliad and Odyssey

If the timeline is somewhat true, by the time the Dorians took control of most of Greece, the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of those who fought in the war would have been regaled in tales of the exploits of their grandfathers and great grandfathers – as there was little else to do for entertainment – no TV.

They are knocked down on the power scale – For three to four hundred years, there descendants reminisce about the good times when there families had the power. It is not inconceivable that some of the Trojan War story could be true, so when it was written down – whomever the Homer might be – it could be something more than a cool story. People of means – think kings and such – can trace their genealogy back more than us current common folk.

pompano
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 11:25 pm
SCKSChief
SCKSChief
04/13/2021 10:09 pm

Wow…if this isn’t the most damning piece of information against Edelman…I don’t know what is.

EAFOX
Reply to  SCKSChief
04/13/2021 10:09 pm

HOFamer Dwayne Bowe – bring on the weed.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:12 pm

LMAO

EAFOX
Reply to  SCKSChief
04/13/2021 10:17 pm

If weed helps create HOF performance, there is still hope for Demetrius Harris.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  SCKSChief
04/13/2021 10:35 pm

One played with Tom Brady and one season of Cam Newton.

The other played with Damon Huard, Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen, Matt Cassel, Tyler Palko, Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn, and Alex Smith.

EAFOX
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 10:39 pm

But when he was on the weed, they all played like Patrick Mahomes.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 10:47 pm

With Smith being the best of that lot, but too late to help much. He wasn’t there at the same time long enough, if nothing else.

EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:07 pm

More for BRAG – and I am enjoying this debate. You talk about the simplest explanation – please answer one question. If there was a lone assassin on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, why did he not take the easy shot – one shot for an expert marksman – as Kennedy was approaching the kill zone. Why would he wait to fire with obstructions in his way?

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:20 pm

Just gonna drop a comment here. Think of the dozens of possibilities: there was a brief gust of wind, or maybe Kennedy was moving around in his seat; or maybe Oswald heard a sound and was interrupted; maybe he was distracted because he was observing security; maybe a bird flew in front of him; maybe he was looking at a cute girl.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 10:26 pm

These, too, and thanks for supplying the additional POV here. I like mine better, but you are correct that there are a host of possibilities. It’s Fox who seems to have determined that there was only a single possibility, that he had a clear shot and passed it up, because that opens the door for “questions”. You and I are open to a range of explanations, but the JFK CT is focused on the assumption that the best possible shot was deliberately passed up, for mysterious reasons.

Too many assumptions go into that one particular assertion to take it seriously, IMO.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 10:28 pm

Oh I don’t have a horse in the race here. It’s been years (decades maybe) since I read up on the assassination. I lean towards the lone gunman theory, but I’m not married to it. We’re only dating.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 11:10 pm

I know that, it’s that you brought up the same principle independently, that there are loads of explanations as to why “the perfect shot” wasn’t taken. Compared to assuming as factual that he was already in position and deliberately passed up on the best shot of the day because conspiracy, that’s the picture of reasonable.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 11:16 pm

Some witnesses reported seeing a gun from the window before the presidential motorcade even arrived.

pompano
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 11:23 pm

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EAFOX
Reply to  pompano
04/13/2021 11:42 pm

Nice.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 10:39 pm

I would politely reply that your assumption that one reenactment makes the magic bullet possible blinds you to considering the mountain of evidence that points to some other explanation. The shot might be possible but is it probable? There are way too many unexplained items that do not add up here.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 11:07 pm

Again, if you position the governor in accordance with history, the line is straight. This is backed up by video evidence that he was actually in an SS “jump seat”, and not the normal front seat required by the MBT. That’s not “one reenactment”, that’s geometry, physics, and actual fact.

There never was any possibility that the MBT could possibly be true, but that didn’t stop the originator(s) from building a mighty story upon that false foundation. And you still seem to stubbornly believe that the governor wasn’t seated the way he4 was actually seated that day, you appear to place your faith in a false diagram.

Go look at the video again, and you’ll see that the governor was sitting much lower in the car. It’s the jump seat, and the evidence is clearly visible. All you have to do is look with an open mind, otherwise you’ll be caught trying to figure out reasons why he was actually seated as in the diagrams, instead of seeing reality. It’s quite clear that his seat is not standard. No more MBT, it was fictional the whole time.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 11:15 pm

I never said that I believed the Magic Bullet theory or not. I believe that there were six to nine gunshots coming from multiple locations.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:22 pm

What makes you assume he was in position and ready at the time? It’s not like there was a live broadcast detailing the position of the motorcade at all times.

The simplest explanation is that by the time he was in position and ready to shoot, the moment had passed. Saying that he deliberately passed up the chance is fictional until factually supported. Since Oswald was killed by a small-time mobster, we’ll never know, but that second killing doesn’t imply that he passed up the shot. Adding that he decided to pass up on a great shot takes extra mental gymnastics, plus a belief.

I don’t know exactly what went down that day on the TX plaza, but nobody could know all the details simply because there was a crowd there. That said, the factual evidence all points to a lone gunman (the idea way of keeping a secret is keeping it to yourself), on that 6th floor, acting alone. If you want to make it into more than that, you have to have actual evidence in support of that. Oswald was in the building, had a history of being anti-US and generally disgruntled because nobody thought him important, as his defection to Russia proved.

If you want to complicate it, remember that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Suspicion isn’t evidence, not an invitation to make things up beyond the evidence.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 10:34 pm

You seemed convinced that Oswald is guilty – a marine who defected to the USSR who possibly played a role in the U2 incident – who comes back with a Russian wife – and is not arrested for being a traitor – during the most volatile period in the Cold War. He was set up – plain and simple.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:59 pm

No, I presume Oswald was the shooter because all the facts point to a lone shooter, acting on his own, and that shooter was on the 6th floor of the Depository, there’s no hard evidence of anyone else firing a gun, and Oswald’s the best candidate from those who were there at the time. I can’t conclude that he actually pulled the trigger, but I refuse to make things up to place someone else there, instead.

If you want to make a case that it was more likely someone else, then you have to have evidence supporting that concept, not some stories and supposition. It’s you who insists on making things more complex, I guess because you never believe that anything the gov’t says could properly be true, or something.

At any rate, I keep presenting reasoned arguments, with the explanations to back them up, as well as the facts fitting them. You keep brushing that aside, because you know better. Sorry, but there are no fact supporting the “what if?” here. As I have demonstrated, the Magic Bullet “Theory” had been completely debunked as false, but you refer to sources that treat it as truthful. Why should I trust anyone who gets something so basic entirely wrong? Get the seats right, and the “theory” evaporates, because the angles work when you do that. See? Simplest explanation, based in reality, and a major element of the CT goes bye-bye. Why? Because it was a made-up story, and nothing more. If you wish to trust people who do that, so be it.

I don’t, and won’t, because I’m skeptical like that.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 11:38 pm

I guess I could introduce the thousands of volumes written that introduce other evidence – on the magic bullet as well as other information. I have never claimed to know the truth – quite a bit of the evidence contradicts each other so we will probably never know the truth. You presume Oswald’s guilt because you state the facts point to one shooter. You bring up one point of evidence – the reenactment that “proves” it could be done. You are the man who talks about innocent until proven guilty but you jump from a lone shooter to Oswald is guilty. The motorcycle officer saw Oswald on the second floor – not the sixth – about ninety seconds after the first shot. Rather amazing that Oswald could do everything that the government says he did and was able to get to the second floor in such a quick time. There are way too many inconsistencies here – I do not believe every theory and I admit that I cannot prove any fact about the assassination that I believe. I believe that I have studied the assassination enough to believe that a great deal of evidence points to the existence of at least one additional gunman. You will not consider the possibility because you have come to your conclusion – lone gunman and it was Oswald. I believe that someone was firing from the Texas School Book Depository – may or may not have been the sixth floor – may or may not have been Oswald BUT I also believe that someone was firing from the Grassy Knoll area AS WELL AS there is a possibility that someone is firing from behind at a much lower level. You can present your opinion about what you think happened but your reasonable explanation does not necessarily mean it is the truth. When I introduced the idea that half of the witnesses believed that gunshots came from the Grassy Knoll – you dismissed them as confused cause it did not meet your narrative. I could easily dismiss the reenactment as another example of a… Read more »

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
04/13/2021 10:03 pm

Edelman to HOF? No.

Now what?

EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:34 pm

Been a fun thread for me so far – Chiefs, JFK, Jack the Ripper, Zodiac, Bigfoot, Troy, and the Bronze Age collapse.

Have no choice here
What caused the Bronze Age to collapse?
My ex-wife sat on it.

pompano
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:43 pm

I mean, when she sits around the epoch she really..

EAFOX
Reply to  pompano
04/13/2021 9:51 pm

Bravo!!

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:57 pm

In my 20s, I was really into the Jack the Ripper mystery. I have probably 60+ books on the subject. I haven’t read any of them in years, but I still keep them.

With Troy, think about how The Iliad and The Odyssey impacted western civilization. In one sense, it’s historical veracity isn’t even important. What’s important is how the stories molded our world.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 10:07 pm

Who is your prime suspect for Jack the Ripper?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:09 pm

Carole fuckin Baskins.

EAFOX
Reply to  SCKSChief
04/13/2021 10:12 pm

Innocent until proven guilty

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:15 pm

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EAFOX
Reply to  SCKSChief
04/13/2021 10:27 pm
Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:17 pm

Ha, I lean towards the explanation that he was a nobody, someone who was never under any suspicion.

My second guess would be someone similar to Aaron Kosminski.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 10:19 pm

If I remember correctly, Kosminski is one of the two or three most prime suspects. It would be fun to be paid to be on a panel that could study the case for a year and present their findings to the public.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:24 pm

There was a TV show in the 80s or 90s that did that. And I believe also interviewed FBI behavior profile guys. The problem is that there’s so little true evidence. A poor area of London in 1888, during the night, with thousands of prostitutes and poor people going down back alleys and so forth – almost impossible for any “true” law enforcement to be effective then or to gather real evidence.

And even with Kosminski, I’d say he’s very unlikely as a suspect; just better than the others who have been named.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 10:28 pm

It would still be fun to be on that panel for a year – and get paid.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:33 pm

Oh man, I’d love it. The TV show I’m referring to was very well done – it was (if I remember correctly) a 2 or 4 hour history of the murders, the police investigation, a review of the suspects, then an opportunity for the panel members to identify their most likely suspect AND their least likely suspect. I had recorded it (on VCR, of course) and watched it several times back then.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 10:46 pm

Great idea for a TV series – Season One – Jack the Ripper – every episode devoted to a lengthy exam of evidence, suspects, panel discussion and such. Season Two – New mystery. It would be fascinating.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:49 pm

I’d watch it.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 10:33 pm

I would say that a slaughterhouse or butcher shop worker would be the best group to suspect, simply because even fresh blood on them wouldn’t be out of place and you couldn’t test it. 5 minutes on a cool night and even touching the wet fabric wouldn’t tell you much.

Unfortunately, the evidence that survived is still woefully inadequate to draw any real conclusions. Still, a fascinating mystery, simply because the possibilities are so wide open.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 10:36 pm

Not to mention that midwives were also often covered with blood. Walking down the street – especially at night on poorly-lit streets – anyone could have blood on them and not get a second look. Criminal’s paradise.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 10:43 pm

Add the old axiom – snitches get stitches as well as the inner city keep your head down and mind your own business.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 10:16 pm

I read somewhere that someone postulated that the original Homer was a descendant of Nestor – one of the kings in the Iliad and Odyssey.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:28 pm

Which one? Presuming there was only one Homer isn’t a huge stretch, but there’s also evidence suggesting there were two poets named Homer, and they may not have even been contemporaries.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 10:31 pm

I tend to believe in the “one Homer.” But I imagine that since the Troy story was popular and used by many writers back then, that even Homer’s stuff was pillaged and re-packaged by others.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 10:41 pm

The one author’s contention was the the series of Homers were all related to each other in the beginning.

zulu trader
zulu trader
04/13/2021 9:23 pm

Jason_OTC
@Jason_OTC
Teams with the most players with workout bonuses
Bills- 28
Chiefs- 25
Jaguars- 24
Packers- 19
Dolphins- 13
Bears- 11
Vikings- 11
Patriots- 10
Raiders- 9
Bengals-8
Giants- 8

zulu trader
zulu trader
04/13/2021 9:21 pm

PFF
@PFF
Leaders in yards after the catch per completion (2020 reg. season):
49ers – 6.2
Colts – 6.1
Packers – 6.0
Chiefs – 5.9

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/13/2021 9:21 pm

I was at that game. We lost. Scott Fujita intercepted Green and returned the INT about 80 yards. Then the Chiefs allowed a TD to the TE because we have never been able to cover one. Green connected with Hall on a deep pass to give us a shot at a GW FG. And Tynes missed it.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 9:29 pm

Just reread the game log. Fujita had a sack forced fumble that was run back over 60 yards. The new Lions head coach was the TE. And Witten also had 93 yards and a td. Terry Glenn also had a TD on a flea flicker.

Greg Robinson sucked so bad.

pompano
04/13/2021 9:11 pm
gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
04/13/2021 8:59 pm

15 DAYS TIL = NFL DRAFT
woohoo

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  gonzangkc11
04/13/2021 9:02 pm

30 to 45 days til NFL releases FULL schedule!

BTW: my Chiefs seats, are next to a Chiefs season ticket holder, I met on plane back to Denver from Bills game — he use to hang out with Carl Peterson & Derrick Thomas (seriously). He had 24 season seats…….currently has 12.

Good guy, 70 year’s old ish

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
04/13/2021 9:02 pm

I got tickets to the Chiefs draft fest at Arrowhead on the Saturday. Maybe they will allow me to give them some advice on our selections.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 9:09 pm

select early and often?

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 9:10 pm

which section are you season tickets?

I’ll need to look, believe I’m in 104

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
04/13/2021 9:13 pm

I am in section 321. The Draft fest was something setup through the Chiefs Kingdom Rewards.

I think we will be in a suite watching the draft and I get to take my picture with the Lombardi trophy. Though that doesn’t sound as fun since we just lost the trophy in February.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/13/2021 9:23 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 8:55 pm

If I refresh cause the new comments button is broke

How do I mark comments as read before?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 8:58 pm

TTBOMK you have to toggle them again. The good news is that once you’ve marked all read a second time, none of those will recur upon further reloads.

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 9:01 pm

Ahhh, fits my observations upon further review. Thought it was a server cyclical thingy.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
04/13/2021 9:11 pm

might as well stay and scroll

Papyrus is awesome

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 8:59 pm

you don’t.
Best I’ve found is to go to the dashboard and click the link to the post from “comments”, older read ones wont be yellow but you still have to z newer ones.

pompano
04/13/2021 7:54 pm
rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  pompano
04/13/2021 8:11 pm

Ha, Do you work here can you tell me why some of my comments are gone

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 8:21 pm

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rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 8:24 pm

Well now I have to apologize, I think my phone has been hijacked

pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 8:31 pm

I’ve typed stuff, forgot to hit post then logged off 🙂
Also if someone deletes a comment your reply gets deleted or gets reposted as a new comment.

pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 8:32 pm

I don’t think I have BRaGs site permissions, nor do I want them 🙂

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
04/13/2021 8:55 pm

Smart move. With authority comes responsibility, where the problems begin is when that balance tilts.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 8:22 pm

No sign of any comments by you in the comments trash bin, and the newest one’s from 3/05/21. I’d say that the answer to your question is “no”.

wvchiefsfan
wvchiefsfan
04/13/2021 7:50 pm

I work in Baltimore area. Went to lunch today with a Ravens fan co worker who swore word on the street in trudbird land was KC still in talks on a Brown trade and had something in principle trade wise if contract was worked out. Interesting how different rumors circulate different fan bases.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  wvchiefsfan
04/13/2021 7:52 pm

There was a rumor on Twitter over the weekend that we were in discussions with them too. But nothing that I saw by anyone that I know to be reliable.

And FWIW, I’d love trading for Brown. But man, it would have to cost us a lot in terms of draft capital. I’d bet a 1st and at least one other high pick – our 2nd or 3rd or a high pick next year. Just a guess.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 7:58 pm

As in Antonio AB84 Brown? When did he get his head fixed? I wouldn’t want that drama queen in a KC locker room on a weekly basis, but on the flip side, if both Reid and Veach have vetted him and are confident that it won’t recur, I’ll hold still for it.

But I’d still keep an eye on the players’ and coaches’ speech regarding him, plus whatever happens to come from him, of course. But after the way he behaved in both Pitt and Oakland, I’m wary of him.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 8:00 pm

Orlando Brown Jr. Ravens OT.

EAFOX
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 8:04 pm

Brown, Thuney, Smythe, Long, Niang – that looks pretty dang good on paper

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:05 pm

Absolutely. Plus we’d still have LDT and Remmers. And who knows whether Osemele ever gets healthy.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:07 pm

Do not forget Allegretti and Wylie

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:09 pm

So the question is, IF the Ravens are willing to trade with us, how much would you give up for Brown?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:13 pm

Brown is 24

Williams is 31?

Id give em 31 and next years one also

we had the money to pay Williams we can pay Brown

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 8:14 pm

I would part with two first round picks.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 8:17 pm

I would rather trade our next year’s one to move up this year to take a LT. At least we would have a LT on a rookie contract, freeing up that money for other premium players.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 8:18 pm

There’s a good argument for that, but there’s risk of the player not working out. With Brown, he’s already shown to be a high-level LT. Pretty safe guy to trade for.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:40 pm

Yeah – if the trade for him is comparable for trading up for a LT – getting a young guy who has shown he can play LT would make the difference. I do understand and appreciate the thought about the money. We can draft a pass rusher to replace Clark down the line – saving some money there.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:09 pm

It does. But Brown is going cost 2 first round picks, plus a fortune. Plus the Ravens aren’t going to make us better when we are in their way for the Superbowl.

wvchiefsfan
wvchiefsfan
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 8:24 pm

If Ravens don’t trade him they’re stuck with a dude that is upset at not playing LT and wants a ton of money. So they don’t hold all the cards for some big trade demand.

EAFOX
Reply to  wvchiefsfan
04/13/2021 8:52 pm

The only thing possibly holding this back is the fact that we are the Chiefs – their conquerors. They might have to swallow their pride if we are the best offer.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 8:22 pm

Thanks for the clarification.

EAFOX
Reply to  wvchiefsfan
04/13/2021 7:52 pm

I would be in on that trade.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:48 pm

Did I get comments deleted?

EAFOX
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:56 pm

Hopefully not – we are not the site that shall not be named.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:21 pm

Well I’m missing a bunch, and I’m really confused about it… my comment about pompano, my comment on Zulu, And my girl playing the guitar seem to all be gone…

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 8:24 pm

I see all of them still. Hit refresh.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 8:28 pm

I know something is a foot…. it was gone and now it’s back… or was it ?

pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 8:35 pm

when in dout, reboot

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 8:51 pm

It’s a conspiracy I tell ya

EAFOX
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/13/2021 8:52 pm

I will buy into that.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 7:32 pm

I can’t justify Edelman in the HOF. I even added 20% to his postseason yardage to make those yards mean more than regular season yards.

Even with the 20% bump his career yards postseason and regular season combined is only 8,528. That would put him 85th in NFL history against just regular season yards for other players. Below Johnny Morton, Laverneus Cole, and Jordy Nelson.

He had a good career, and got a few rings. He will just have to be satisfied with being in the Patriots HOF.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/13/2021 7:53 pm

Agreed. Brady and Gronk are sure things, but all Edelman has going for him is availability, reliability, and longevity, really. He fit the system perfectly, but the Pats rode to most of their SBs on the backs of their D. B&G would get in even if you discounted half of their rings because of that, and at their peak performance were a dangerous pairing. Edelman’s the guy who could beat lesser DBs when the attention was primarily focused on Gronk and the other WRs. Blue-collar, lunchpail kinda guy, and good for him, but that’s not elite level stuff.

BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 7:14 pm

Conspiracy theories are like astrology, they’re fun to consider, but once you start taking one seriously, you’re mentally screwed. The faith in the belief makes it impossible to take contrary evidence seriously. From the article:

“When sceptics are asked to explain why people succumb to conspiracy theories, they tend to say they offer a strange comfort – they allow people to make sense of a chaotic world. But I think there’s another, more often ignored reason. You get renaissances of conspiracy theories when the powerful behave in conspiratorial ways. The mystery is why the theorists are never happy with the actual evidence, and instead behave like amateur sleuths inside some magical parallel world where metaphors are facts. In that world, the deaths at David Koresh’s church in Waco were caused not by government overreach but by the Illuminati’s Satanic desire for blood sacrifice. Why they invariably slap a layer of fiction on top of an already fascinating truth had long been a puzzle to me, and to many others, too: a question I’ve been asked over and over is whether I think Alex Jones knows he’s lying when he tells his millions of listeners that, for instance, the Sandy Hook school shootings were “a giant hoax”.” [emphasis added]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/11/making-sense-of-conspiracy-theorists-as-the-world-gets-more-bizarre

Last edited 1 month ago by BleedingRedAndGold
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 7:20 pm

in regards all that

Humans have created vast (not conspiracies) but reasoning for everything we have ever done. It drives us and our civilization forward down all sorts of paths till we sorta come together again on a few and continue on

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 7:23 pm

One thought so we do not debunk all conspiracy theories – JFK Assassination.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 7:26 pm

Pure Political power

Hard to believe it might never be actually known to us who and why and How on that

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 7:29 pm

I often wonder if a thousand years from now – the JFK assassination will be the event noted as the start of the decline of American civilization.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 7:32 pm

You have very High Hopes?

A thousand years 🙂

But a qood question, What will replace American ideas on the World stage?

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 7:37 pm

The sound of water……

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:43 pm

A very pleasant atmosphere

I have to pee now!

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 7:38 pm

Never count out the Germans but my guess would be the Chinese.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 7:39 pm

, but never trust the French!!!

EAFOX
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:44 pm
EAFOX
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:47 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 7:44 pm

RE JFK: The primary “evidence” supporting that conspiracy theory` was the Magic Bullet Theory, and the problem is that it was a complete falsehood. Instead of positioning the governor in the way he was actually seated, the MBT insists he was seated in a normal car seat.

Furthermore, not only have all the bullets been accounted for, but the mystery of how one man got wounded while down by the bridge, as well. The first shot would have lined up with the traffic light – and with audio analysis, it’s clear it was the first shot at a particular point in time WRT the motorcade – the first bullet passed through the traffic light’s backplate, diverting it in his direction.

Reconstructions of the shooting have been done with dummies in the place of the people that day, and it was also demonstrated that Oswald had the time to make the shots. Not only that, but basically anyone who was already a good shot with a rifle would only need to get the new rifle dialed in, from there it’s just practice working the bolt handle, in order to get the shots off in time. No high degree of skill and training needed, just a milling to high degree of competence.

But those CTs wouldn’t admit that the MBT was wrong, back in the day, because it would ruin their beautiful “theory”. Which is another way of saying that they chose to be stupid over paying attention to reality. The last election was a circus, mainly because of all the CTs floating around that are being taken seriously now. Oy.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 8:00 pm

Lee Harvey Oswald – innocent until proven guilty? Do not buy into the government version.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:02 pm

Forget JFK. The REAL unsolved mystery is the identity of Jack the Ripper.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:05 pm

and the Zodiac

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:06 pm

I’m partial to JTR, but yeah the Zodiac one is still so scary.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:13 pm

My personal top five mysteries
1) JFK Assassination
2) Jack the Ripper
3) The Location of Troy
4) Zodiac
5) Bigfoot

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:17 pm

I’d switch 1 and 2. And I don’t believe in Bigfoot.

But the location of Troy really isn’t a mystery. I’ve visited the site that’s believed to be it. Most historians seem to agree.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:23 pm

I can live with the switch. I think most Bigfoot sightings are hoaxes but would argue that a lost species could easily be living in the Pacific NW. I truly believe in an alternate location to the city of Troy – the evidence to me does not match up with the current historical site. The site could be connected to the Trojans but I think it is more of a satellite city.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:29 pm

Really? It’s been years since I last looked into it, but I studied it quite a bit when I visited Istanbul in 2014 and took a side trip there. To me, the evidence seemed pretty solid. And I think it’s pretty much accepted that Homer (and whoever else wrote about it) would have amplified the city’s importance and size.

Short aside – there’s an amazing trilogy of books written by David Gemmell that’s a retelling of the Trojan War. He wrote the books from the perspective of how it would have likely happened – removing Zues & the gods, making the battle more about hedgemony in the Mediterranean, that Helen was the excuse not the real reason for the war, etc. Just an incredible trilogy of books.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:34 pm

I will check out the books – I am fascinated by the subject of Troy. I could be wrong but I feel that too many historians reject other theories simply because they had adopted the accepted theory.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:43 pm

Ever hear of James Ussher, the Irish bishop that wrote a history of the world in the 1600s? He gets mocked nowadays by a lot of people for his young earth belief, but some of his historic stuff is really cool. He actually lists the fall of Troy in his history – I believe he uses the year 1184BC. He had sources that are now long gone, so it’s not always known who he was relying on. But still cool to me that hundreds of years ago, historians were trying to learn more about Troy.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:49 pm

1184 BC

was that before Moses?

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 8:50 pm

No

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:52 pm

hmm

I need a flow chart

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 9:18 pm

I have spent hours sifting thru historical sources, ancient genealogies and such to try and create such a timeline – trying to fit history, religion, and mythology into a cohesive whole.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 8:55 pm

Actually (spoiler alert), Moses has a minor role in the Troy trilogy that I mentioned. (Under a different name, while he was on the run after escaping Egypt as a young man. It was pretty ingenious in the book.)

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 9:15 pm

Would the pseudonym of Moses happen to be Patrick Mahoses?

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:20 pm

LOL.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:49 pm

That is the most common year used for the fall of Troy. I agree that the war was about economics – control of trade in that area – would not necessarily say the Mediterranean. I have two working theories that make a little more sense to me – about the location – but I am a lowly reader and not a touted historian.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:54 pm

Yep, that’s the most common year for Troy….but I didn’t know that they knew that in the 1600s, so it was pretty cool to see.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 9:16 pm

True

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:02 pm

How about tomorrow night you give us the “rough draft” of your theories? Running out of space here and I’m getting sidetracked with other things!

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 9:16 pm

I could talk and write about this stuff for hours.

pompano
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:26 pm

Write up a one off post man. My shit’s getting old…

EAFOX
Reply to  pompano
04/13/2021 9:28 pm

I do tend to get over exuberant at times.

pompano
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:36 pm

that’s not a bad thing

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:18 pm

If the archeology of Troy interests you, you should look into the Bronze Age Collapse. Now there’s a collection of archeological mysteries for ya.

Some scholars believe that it accounts for the founding of Israel, with the hill tribes simply taking over depopulated cities, and everything from Exodus is the myths and legends they created to justify their new ownership as old. That’s incomplete, to my way of thinking, but if you want to hear about that, start a fresh thread up top. Things could get BRaG-tastic, and we might need the elbow room. 😉

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 9:13 pm

If you liked that, you might enjoy To Reign in Hell, I believe by Steven Brust. It’s a fictional imagining of the mythological revolt of the angels in Heaven. As he put it, two things are clear about that, that God’s the ultimate power and that they rebelled against him anyway, a fight they couldn’t possibly win. Why?

It’s a lovely tale, loaded with colorful characters, from Leviathan to Lucifer, Satan to Michael, and more. And the way his story unfolds makes that dichotomy make sense, because ultimately the story’s a Tragedy.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 9:18 pm

Interesting. I’ll look it up. Thanks!

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 10:10 pm

It’s a wonderful bit of fantasy, IMO, so let me know if it was to your taste, please.

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 9:22 pm

It could be argued Lucifer was man’s best advocate, pre-eviction (eithers eviction)

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
04/13/2021 10:10 pm

The Bible seems to me to be clear that Lucifer and Satan are two different personalities. From the latest I’ve heard on Bible scholarship, it appears that in ancient Hebrew “satan” wasn’t so much a name as a job title, “the opposer”. You might even say a devil’s advocate, acting not out of malice, but because that was his role.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:06 pm

Now whether or not Troy’s been properly located is indeed an actual mystery, because there are quite a few who believe that it could have been another site in the area. A large part of the problem’s that the original guy’s excavation was like swatting a mosquito with a cannon, so a lot of evidence has been lost.

Bigfoot I consider to be a slim possibility, but now that IR cameras are so affordable that anyone who wants to seriously search should be using one. Heck, mount one on an RC quadcopter and you can see a lot very quickly, from relative safety. “Squatchers” don’t appear to be too keen on ideas like that, possibly because they’d run the risk of debunking the belief for themselves.

But since all the physical “evidence” to date has been debunked by DNA analysis, the sand’s running out of that hourglass.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 9:24 pm

I believe it is plausible that a species could still live and not be discovered in remote locations – small area in the Pacific NW – where native americans had stories about its existence, long before these stories made every idiot see one in their backyard. Walk thru a small forest and compare how many animals you see to how many there actually are. Maybe 1 percent of the contacts are real. That would be a lot of money to spend on searching for a species that may or may not exist with signatures that would not provide definitive proof.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 10:06 pm

There’s one thing you’re missing, a viable breeding population. A handful of scattered individuals won’t work. Then there’d be evidence of feeding activities and sleeping sites associated with each individual if not family group… That’s an awful lot of evidence to simply vanish away.

But as I said, if there is a Bigfoot population out there, nighttime sweeps with an IR cam would locate them, if done on a large enough scale. Once again, the logistics of such a species existing in the Americas is dicey, once you take into account things like actual living behaviors.

Otherwise, you might as well believe that they not only exist, but they spend almost all their time figuring out how to avoid being spotted by technologies they’d have no basis of understanding for.

pompano
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:26 pm

There were several guesses for Troy but the current one checks all the boxes, don’t think there’s any serious debate.

pompano
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:10 pm

Saw that his cipher was finally solved, not sure what was uncovered.

EAFOX
Reply to  pompano
04/13/2021 8:11 pm

Nothing

pompano
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:20 pm

figures

EAFOX
Reply to  pompano
04/13/2021 8:26 pm

The man who fits the most descriptions was ruled out due to handwriting and DNA (maybe) and the one that matched the handwriting the most does not match the physical profile. I have postulated that perhaps the two have some connection – never have read anything to see if they did or did not – so I favor the theory that the Zodiac was actually two people.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:32 pm

The last time I looked into it, I really felt that it was one of the main suspects – I forget his name now. But I imagine he was guilty of many other crimes that were never tied to him.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:37 pm

Arthur Leigh Allen if my memory serves correct. He was the one that the cops favored as the main suspect – and matched the physical description and such. If you saw the movie Zodiac, the creepy filmmaker was the suspect who matched the handwriting more than the other suspects.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:39 pm

Yeah, I think that’s the guy! He died years ago, correct?

Yeah, the Zodiac movie (from what I recall – it’s been a few years – was excellent. And one of the very few movies that I thought was scary.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:46 pm

Yep – the suspect is dead. AND the movie was a pretty realistic portrayal of the evidence and the investigation.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:47 pm

The guy attacking the guy and girl with a knife at that park….man, I remember it actually got my heart racing. And movies never scare me.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:50 pm

Real life is much more frightening that fiction.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:59 pm

1000%

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:40 pm

It’s not the “gov’t version” I buy in to, it’s the experts’ research and analysis.

And Oswald’s legal status has nothing to do with the MBT’s complete falsehood – there’s video evidence that disproves it, fer chrissake! As for the ID of the shooter, that’s of lesser importance, the fact of the matter is that there was only one shooter, they were in that window of the Book Depository, and that’s who killed JFK.

Now, is it possible that Oswald had randomly gotten a job there, and some agency picked up on that and used his employment there to kill Kennedy and frame him for it? Just barely, maybe. That’s a very lucky break as part of a very long, active game. How many people would be scouting for people like Oswald, once the itineraries were set? No internet, no computers, so it would have to be field work and legwork entirely. The logistics of such an effort would have been ridiculous, had they been real.

And that, my friends, is where CTs inevitably fail, because they don’t take boring things like logistics into account, and large groups of people are assumed to all keep perfectly silent – which is not at all true of H. Sap, you know. And if you don’t trust anything, you can’t really know anything, either.

In many ways our gov’t has become monstrous, but I’ll still trust the official story over unfounded conspiracies until evidence comes up that invalidates the official narrative. At least the gov’t story has to stick to actual facts, more or less, because anything else is sure to be debunked in short order. But that’s speaking strictly of factual accounts of events they’ve investigated, not the regular polspeak, just to be clear. Know who and what to trust, and when. And just because neither side can be trusted entirely doesn’t mean that one side’s pulling more imaginary stuff out of its ass than the other.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 8:43 pm

My short response – Oliver Stone was more right than wrong.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:52 pm

My response to that is that Stone put out a fictional movie, not anything close to a documentary.

Basing opinions on movies, or using movies as props for your own fervent opinion is not the course of reason. It’s a feel-good path, where you always know the secret truths that others somehow refuse to see, save for your scattering of other true believers.

I’ll take what can actually be demonstrated over a story riddled with holes that the believers refuse to see. And I take note that I have yet to hear you agree that the MBT was a falsehood. You still believe that the fiction’s actually the truth, in spite of all the facts debunking it? If so, be so kind as to say it, so we know where you stand on that JFK Conspiracy keystone.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 8:58 pm

I read the book that Stone gathered most of his “fictional” story from. It presented a multitude of evidence – most left for the reader to ponder. The author did not present a conclusion until the last ten pages. I read the book so much that it tore in two – a fascinating read.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:38 pm

It was still a fictional movie, and should be treated as such. It is not an acceptable source material for anything at all. As for the book, I can’t say, having never read it, but I don’t trust it simply based on Stone’s fictions. If I did read it, I might change my mind, but you’re saying the movie followed the book really well…

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 9:43 pm

The movie was based off the conclusion of the author – which you can take or leave as you want. The bulk of the book – “Crossfire” by Jim Marrs threw mountains of evidence for one to judge on your own. I bought into some not all.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:52 pm

*Shrug* IIRC, Costner presented the MBT as factual, complete with an incorrect diagram showing the governor in a normal car seat, and not the Secret Service jump seat he was actually occupying that day. The lower position makes the need for a ping-pong bullet go away entirely.

False and fictional, so if the book takes it seriously, i don’t take the book seriously.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 9:55 pm

I forgot it, but I’ll add that this seems to be the end of this conversational path. You can’t present me any evidence that disproves or even seriously calls into question the traditional account, and what you have presented flies in the face of Occam’s Razor. The simplest explanation is right there in front of you, it’s the CT that wants to add needless layers of complexity.

Still, it was a good conversation, and I always appreciate those, even if agreement can’t be reached.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 10:03 pm

I could write about the multitude of criticisms about the magic bullet but you are basing your conclusion off of one reenactment – and as you say – would not treat seriously any source that questions your decision to accept the magic bullet theory.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 9:02 pm

I start with common sense – why would the shooter – and we can suppose that it was Lee Harvey Oswald – pass up a clear shot and wait to fire thru a tree? Why would a trained Secret Service driver tap the brakes once the shooting has started rather than accelerate to potential safety? Why would half of the crowd swear that the bullets came from the Grassy Knoll – and smelled gunpowder there?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 9:36 pm

No, you start with suspicion, which is a rather different thing. It’s what allows you to treat wild stories from confused witnesses as evidence, when it isn’t.

As for the “impossibility” of that shot occurring, it didn’t need to bounce around like a pinball, and if it were actually impossible, how was it that one team duplicated the shot with ballistics gel dummies equipped with bones, and got much the same resulting wounds, and the bullet was relatively undamaged, too, as you’d expect from a FMJ round. I’ll stop believing that demonstration when you can provide evidence that it was falsified, and unfortunately, I don’t recall which team did it.

That story won’t wash, and there’s absolutely nowhere else a shot would have been in position to be ready to fire on the motorcade. Three shots from the Depository. That’s it until someone finds actual evidence to the contrary, not simple suspicions. The storm drain’s physically impossible, and the man in the crowd on the grassy knoll would have been spotted and grabbed immediately, had he existed and fired from there. So that didn’t happen either, unless common sense tells you that when you hear a gun go off behind you that you don’t ever turn and look around.

What common sense tells me is to follow the established facts, not the stories made up to play connect-the-dots once again. The bullets were ordinary and accounted for, the other “locations” were untenable, and the “skeptical questions” are little more than assertions dressed up as questions. When I was still hanging out in AFA-B, it got so that the kooks were playing that game so often, we got to call it JAQing Off. Not a good look.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 9:50 pm

Well, one should always be suspicious or we become robot slaves to those that supply the narrative. You make the assumption that all of the witnesses are confused – does this apply to this case or all situations of this nature.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 9:09 pm

As for the Magic Bullet Theory, Arlen Spector is more responsible for that bull than anyone else. The government had to prove that there were only three shots – more than that indicated the presence of at least one more gunman. The first shot most likely hit the traffic light – and wounded James Tague. The “third shot” – the kill shot – certainly appears to come from the front – not behind where the Texas School Book Depository was. Thus, every other injury had to be from the second bullet. The research you refer to has been contested by other reenactors. The odds of a bullet – being fired downward from the sixth floor into a back and out the neck and playing ping pong in Connellys body – and being presented as a pristine bullet – is not very logical.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 9:11 pm

By the way, the Warren Report started out with the assumption that Oswald was guilty.

slackator
slackator
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:20 pm

literally hundreds of conspiracy theories have come true through history and even today some recent ones were confirmed, its why it stupid in my opinion to bash all conspiracy theories as baseless and wrong. Conspiracy Theorists sure because there are thousands of unbelievably dumb theories spouted by these nutjobs but not conspiracy theories just because a person in charge doesnt like the truth coming out.

EAFOX
Reply to  slackator
04/13/2021 8:31 pm

I have a theory that all of my bosses meet everyday and conspire to see how much they can screw EAFOX as much as possible. I cannot prove that they do but I have some quite compelling evidence to support that theory.

Conspiracies without evidence are fantasy but theories with some solid research could very well end up being the truth.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 8:33 pm

I know it’s just playing with words, but when there’s legitimate evidence, I tend to remove the phrase “conspiracy theory” then.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 8:41 pm

As a man who appreciates words, your point is well taken. I could change that to reasonable speculation? Not sure.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 7:29 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 7:30 pm

Also:

“These days nothing much has changed, except instead of streaks of vapour and the dollar bill they’re deciphering clues in Beyoncé videos and Chrissy Teigen’s tweets. For QAnon to work, adherents have to allow themselves to believe that the secret paedophile elite, despite their Machiavellian genius, can’t resist leaving little visible pointers to their malevolent power, like a thief placing a monogrammed glove at the scene of the crime. It’s lucky for the armchair detective that that’s their achilles heel.”

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 7:34 pm

Where is Tom Hanks when we need him?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 7:36 pm

remaking Busom Buddies?

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 7:37 pm

Or guest-appearing on Happy Days?

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 7:39 pm

Pep Streebeck – if I can move a decade forward.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 7:43 pm

Dang, I don’t know that one.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/13/2021 7:51 pm

Dragnet with Dan Ackroyd

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 7:53 pm

Ah got it!

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 7:34 pm

Gaetz says Hi

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/13/2021 8:17 pm

The ONLY cool thing Alex Jones ever did was sneak into the Bohemian Grove and take video.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:08 pm
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:10 pm

Farrah-Fawcett Hair

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 7:13 pm

Who didn’t have that poster hanging up on the wall…

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:15 pm

that one person that didn’t have a Boston Album

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 7:17 pm

True.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:24 pm

jeebus

Meant Frampton Comes Alive

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 7:25 pm

I guess you feel like I do.

pompano
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 7:29 pm

when the hell did I die

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  pompano
04/13/2021 7:34 pm

That day for me was when you said you couldn’t make a chiefs game again this year… ?

pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 8:02 pm

It gives me no pleasure either, believe me.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 7:32 pm

You Freakazoid…..?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:13 pm

Bought a 36″ fire ring today

Light Up Everybody

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 7:14 pm

That’s cool , they’re extra handy to burn up yard trimmings as well

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/13/2021 7:16 pm

My plan!!!!!

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 6:45 pm

So besides Tom Brady, who is going into the Hall of Fame from the Patriots 10+ years of greatness?

Belichick of course but what other players?

slackator
slackator
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 6:47 pm

kickers likely, Gronk, Seymour people are making a case for

EAFOX
Reply to  slackator
04/13/2021 6:53 pm

Brady, Gronk, and Vinatieri are the only locks – the potential ones are all on defense – Wilfork, for example, might have a shot.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/13/2021 6:59 pm

New England PatriotsAndre Tippett (1982-1993)
Bill Parcells (1993-96)
Curtis Martin (1995-97)
John Hannah (1973-1985)
Junior Seau (2006-09)
Mike Haynes (1976-1982)
Nick Buoniconti (1962-1968)
Randy Moss (2007-2010)
Ty Law (1995-2004)

not to many patriots in the hall

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/13/2021 7:01 pm

Especially when you eliminate from the list above those who made their bones with another franchise.

EAFOX
04/13/2021 6:43 pm

The more you have to defend someone’s greatness, the less great they actually are.

slackator
slackator
04/13/2021 6:38 pm

supposed I show you a stat sheet:

WR 11years 0 Pro Bowls 0 1st Team All Pro 620yds/season 3TD/season 50yds/game

what part of that is HoF worthy?

Now lets compare that unnamed player to a player NOT in the HoF from a very different era

Otis Taylor
WR 11years 3 Pro Bowls 2 1st Team All Pro 664yds/season(14 games) 5TD/14game season 56yds/game

Much different era but I only see Chiefs fans rightfully clamoring to get Taylor in the HoF

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