Tonight’s Game Doesn’t Matter: Why The NFL Tiebreakers Suck

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Tonight’s Monday Night Football game is a great matchup. The Chiefs and Eagles faced off in the Super Bowl 9 months ago, and this year they once again are two of the top teams in the league. This is the type of game that’s deserving of a primetime slot.

Too bad it doesn’t matter.

That’s because the NFL made the horrible decision to make conference wins the top tiebreaker for teams who don’t play each other. It does make sense on the surface, it maintains a bit of separation between the conferences like in the old days before the merger and emphasizes games within the conference. But in a league where teams only play 17 games, tiebreakers are extremely important, and by making conference games the top tie breaker it makes interconference games nearly meaningless.

Ok yes it is better for the Chiefs if they win than if they lose, but only slightly. Right now the biggest threat for the top seed in the AFC is the Ravens. The Chiefs currently have the tiebreaker because one of our losses was to the NFC Lions while all 3 of the Ravens losses were to AFC teams. But if the Chiefs win this game (and beat the Packers in a couple weeks, which is very likely) then the Ravens literally get a free game against their toughest remaining opponent, the San Francisco 49ers. A loss there gives them another loss, but it also gives them the tiebreaker, exactly canceling out the loss. And since that’s their most likely loss, the Chiefs would then earn the tiebreaker back by losing to the Eagles, which then makes this game meaningless.

This is all so silly, and for no reason. Instead of emphasizing a tiebreaker that makes games meaningless, why not emphasize tiebreakers that make the games more exciting? For example, further down the tiebreaker list is point differential. If this was instead the top tiebreaker, you would no longer have garbage time. Every single second of every single game would matter and teams would no longer put in backups in blowouts.

But no. Instead we’ll go into one of the best games of the season knowing it doesn’t really matter.

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gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
11/20/2023 5:30 pm

STREAMING live
Chiefs FIELD PASS

click on below link to watch

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
11/20/2023 5:19 pm

Broncos Kareem Jackson SUSPENDED for 4 games

For that flag that was NOT tossed during yesterday game.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
11/20/2023 5:16 pm

Rain @ Arrowhead now

Will go through
930pm ish

Per weather channel

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
11/20/2023 4:52 pm

I am fine with this game not mattering in determining who gets home field in the conference

there is no need I can see to change that formula

Tyrone
11/20/2023 4:41 pm

It is FAKE NEWS that this game doesn’t matter, of that it would somehow be beneficial to lose it in anyway without regard to our other wins/losses.

The most obvious and simple real scenario where winning/losing this game makes a significant impact outside of strict win/loss record is this:

If we finish with the same record as the Ravens, and go to the “Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference” tie-breaker. In this scenario, if the Ravens lose exactly 1 more game for the season (and the loss is against an NFC team), and we lose exactly 2 more games for the season. If loss A for us is against an AFC team, then if loss B for us is against an NFC team (for example this game) then we would win the tie-breaker. If loss B for us was against another AFC team, then both teams would have the same AFC record, and it would go to the next tie-breaker, (Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four). The Ravens don’t play the Eagles, so it wouldn’t strictly be important that way.

If if came down to this scenario where we both finish with 4 losses, and the same AFC record, then the Ravens are guaranteed to win the common opponent tie breaker, having beaten the Lions, who we lost to. Remember in this scenario the Ravens only lost 1 more game, and it’s an NFC game (not a common opponent).

If both teams get to 5 losses, with the same AFC record, then we could (likely) end up with the same common opponent record, and would then go strength of victory, which it’s far too early to speculate on.

Tyrone
Reply to  Tyrone
11/20/2023 5:07 pm

If loss A for us is against an AFC team, then if loss B for us is against an NFC team (for example this game) then we would win the tie-breaker. “

This doesn’t mean losing this game would be good, it only means losing this game, in that particular scenario, wouldn’t be as bad as losing against an AFC team.

vvet818
11/20/2023 4:28 pm

somebody has to win so it might as well be us!

vvet818
Reply to  vvet818
11/20/2023 4:37 pm

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gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
11/20/2023 3:44 pm

Link to Chiefs pre-game FIELD PASS…..Streams LIVE @ 425PM mst

https://www.youtube.com/live/HzFWBZudbWY?si=4wwLpgw9Bladj-uE

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
11/20/2023 3:19 pm

BRAVO

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
11/20/2023 1:07 pm

This game matters a ton.

It sets the tone for the 2nd half of the season.

We are also still trying to find our offensive identity a bit. I do think as we approach the playoffs our wrs rotation will almost completely flip from where it started.
WR1 Rice
WR2 Toney
WR3 Moore
WR4 Watson
WR5 MVS

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Severely Concussed
11/20/2023 1:26 pm

My personal preference:
WR1 Rice
WR2 MVS
WR3 Toney
WR4 Watson
WR5 Moore

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
11/20/2023 1:05 pm

They should eliminate the difference between the AFC and NFC. Its a meaningless distinction. Seed the playoffs 1 through 8 division winners.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
11/20/2023 1:02 pm

Point differential would be a crappy tiebreaker. Emphazies teams running up the score more than anything else. I could see if there was some sort of an inbetween. Keep track of 10+ point wins or something along those lines?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
11/20/2023 1:08 pm

Not to mention it would give southern based teams or dome teams an advantage as they typically score more points in December because they don’t play in winter conditions.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  Severely Concussed
11/20/2023 1:14 pm

It used to be part of the formula for the BCS and the big boys kept all thrir starters in the game to clobber the directional schools.

The fish would have been encouraged to run up the score even more against the donkeys earlier this year. The chiefs against the bears. I think there may be a way to take it into account but a straight up point differential is not a good metric.

upamtn
11/20/2023 12:36 pm

yes it is better for the Chiefs if they win than if they lose …

gee, ya think?

Overall Record is the NUMBER ONE THING … forget tie-breakers for a minute, and focus on record: straight-up W-L season record, period

if Chiefs end up with better overall record than the Ravens then NOTHING ELSE MATTERS … there are no tie-breakers involved … IOW: JUST WIN, BABY

upamtn
Reply to  upamtn
11/20/2023 12:46 pm

 if the Chiefs win this game (and beat the Packers in a couple weeks, which is very likely) then the Ravens literally get a free game against their toughest remaining opponent, the San Francisco 49ers. A loss there gives them another loss, but it also gives them the tiebreaker, exactly canceling out the loss

Tony, you’ve done lost your mind … that makes no sense

the tie-breaker is “in conference” and the Raven are in the AFC not the NFC … but a loss doesn’t “cancel out” a loss at the end of the season

Tyrone
Reply to  upamtn
11/20/2023 1:57 pm

Yeah no idea what he’s on about. Games against the opposite conference have no impact on the in conference tiebreaker step

Tyrone
Reply to  Tyrone
11/20/2023 1:59 pm

This game will become relevant for tie breaking if it comes down to stren5of victory, in which case it will obviously be better to win it.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  upamtn
11/20/2023 1:34 pm

Yeah, every W matters. When it comes down to the end of the season, we don’t want some other team holding our destiny in their hands.

Team Player
Team Player
11/20/2023 12:22 pm

Nah. The zero-th tiebreaker is wins. If the chiefs win as many games the rest of the year as the ravens, the chiefs get the top spot.

The incorrect underlying assumption in this article is that the teams will be tied in w/l record.

upamtn
Reply to  Team Player
11/20/2023 12:37 pm

this times a whole bunch (and just what I posted) … W-L is absolutely the #1 Priority

upamtn
Reply to  upamtn
11/20/2023 12:48 pm

and … if that “assumption” of tied in W/L is true, the Chiefs ALREADY HAVE that tie-breaker (as of now)

Beachbeard
Beachbeard
11/20/2023 12:05 pm

I am surrounded by Cowboy fans that for one week are all in on KC

rip58
Reply to  Beachbeard
11/20/2023 1:57 pm

Haha, you still have cowboys fans ..😂😂

Beachbeard
Beachbeard
Reply to  rip58
11/20/2023 2:55 pm

It’s their year 🙄

rip58
Reply to  Beachbeard
11/20/2023 3:59 pm

Good to see you, happy thanksgiving if I don’t see ya before hand…

Nasrani
11/20/2023 10:47 am

But if the Chiefs win this game (and beat the Packers in a couple weeks, which is very likely) then the Ravens literally get a free game against their toughest remaining opponent, the San Francisco 49ers. A loss there gives them another loss, but it also gives them the tiebreaker, exactly canceling out the loss. And since that’s their most likely loss, the Chiefs would then earn the tiebreaker back by losing to the Eagles, which then makes this game meaningless.

So if I’m reading this right, a loss tonight is technically more beneficial than a victory tonight? The NFL didn’t exactly think that through did they?

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KCRowdy
KCRowdy
Reply to  Nasrani
11/20/2023 11:01 am

That’s what I thought, but I’m old school. You play to win the game period. There is no substitute for victory. But hey, that’s me

upamtn
Reply to  Nasrani
11/20/2023 12:40 pm

no no no no no

a loss is NOT beneficial to the Chiefs … how are you getting that interpretation???

as Team Player said: the “zero-th tie-breaker” isn’t a tie-breaker at all … plain old W-L season long record is #1 at the base of it all … a win tonight puts KC on top (for now) in the AFC … a loss gives Balt the top spot (for now)

Nasrani
Reply to  upamtn
11/20/2023 1:32 pm

how are you getting that interpretation???

The NFL’s requisite doublespeak, smoke, mirrors, and all around legalese. But ratings be damned. Go Chiefs – always.

Tyrone
Reply to  Nasrani
11/20/2023 2:13 pm

Tony is on crack. He’s over complicating the fact that AFC losses are worse than NFC losses and confusing himself.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Tyrone
11/20/2023 2:36 pm

Crack bait?

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