RED Friday Night Open Thread : Good Players on Bad Teams

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Welcome to AG’s nightly Open Thread, drop in and join a conversation, or start one yourself.

Guys who had the misfortune to play on some really stinky Chiefs teams.

Tonight: Bill Maas

Bill Maas. DT. Two time Pro Bowler. 1984 AP DROY after being taken 5th overall. Maas was the first NT in our history to make a Pro Bowl. Had himself a nice little career on a bunch of teams that had good defenses and little else. On to a career in the booth, doing a good job there as well. Then, the incidents…. But let’s not dwell on those. Instead, let’s listen to Bill for a bit

Bill Maas’s message to Clark Hunt before the Andy Reid hiring

When the crowd was too loud for Horseface

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=505161099976212

Since I couldn’t find highlights (seriously. Goose egg on this), more Bill talking about his best day as a Chief

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saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
07/22/2022 9:08 pm

Nova

I have a topic, all Carl Peterson team.Thoughts?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
07/22/2022 10:38 pm

God, we could field a HOF team for players he pissed off, or let sign with other teams.

QB Gannon
WR Joe Horn
RT John Tait
DE Neil Smith
DE Jared Allen
LB Donnie Edwards

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
07/22/2022 10:59 pm

Not too mention, he was one of the first to take advantage of free agency. Marcus Allen, Dan Saleamua, Joe Phiilips,

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
07/22/2022 11:02 pm

Tomorrow…..maybe…

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saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
07/22/2022 11:50 pm

ME? LOL, you work here, remember

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
07/22/2022 9:02 pm

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saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  WaywerdSon
07/22/2022 11:04 pm

a year too late

BleedingRedAndGold
07/22/2022 8:25 pm

This may interest Tony, and possibly Nas, as well. From the article:

In all of my many years of following China’s censorship saga, I have never seen the government so determined to expunge even the slightest expression of dissent or disapproval on the part of citizens. The reason is fairly simple: at the 20th Party Congress to be convened this fall, Chairman / President / General Secretary Xi Jinping is going to attempt something unprecedented in the history of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) since the time of its founder, Mao Zedong:, viz., to make himself Paramount Leader for life (no term limits!). Since not everybody — including members of other factions in the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) — is pleased with this proposed arrangement, tensions are running high, to put it mildly.

https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=55382

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
07/22/2022 8:08 pm

Sorry to post this bummer here

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  Severely Concussed
07/22/2022 8:27 pm

cancer sucks

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Severely Concussed
07/22/2022 8:39 pm

Burying one of your kids is one of the worst things to happen to parents, but I salute this young man for his optimism and endurance.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Severely Concussed
07/22/2022 8:53 pm

Crap

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
07/22/2022 11:06 pm

just brutal 🙁

upamtn
07/22/2022 7:44 pm

Paying for some Bruce Springsteen tickets these days may be “Tougher Than The Rest.”

That’s because Ticketmaster’s “dynamic pricing” has some seats reaching $4000 to $5000 a seat.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
07/22/2022 8:00 pm

Yup. I was fortunate to be selected as a verified fan which allowed me access to the presale for Tulsa. I was logged in and in the waiting room before the sale started at 10am, and at 10:05 the had already jumped in price to a ridiculous level.

I still bought behind the stage seats for $90each because I really want to be in the building at least once, but I am also invited to buy tix for his KC show. I hope I have better luck, or they fix that horseshit before then.

The dynamic pricing isn’t new. The Chiefs also have it in place for ticket sales. But the formula Ticketmaster uses for concerts is way messed up. I.E. Olivio Rodrigo had a concert my kids wanted to go to. They announced the front pit GA price as $69 prior to the on sale date. The amount of people that tried to get tickets the moment the sale started caused the ticket price to raise to $1,200.

And lest we forget Ticketmaster doesn’t have a flat fee per transaction. They charge 15% of the ticket price I think. They don’t do any extra work selling a $69 ticket than they do a $1,200 ticket, but they are going to charge you $170 more in fees.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  Severely Concussed
07/22/2022 8:28 pm

ticketmaster sucks donkey balls

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
07/22/2022 10:01 pm

I’m gonna see agent orange in Sept for like 20 bucks. First time at a real show for me in like 4 years

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
07/22/2022 10:35 pm

Between Aug 27th and Oct 3rd, I will see 10 different shows.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
07/22/2022 11:03 pm

damn…. where do you live (without doxxing yourself of course)

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
07/22/2022 11:38 pm

Joplin, MO area. I am putting a shit load of miles on my body getting to all the shows this year. For this calendar year I should see 30 concerts while traveling to:

MO: KC & STL (Joplin rarely pulls in any artists)
OK: Tulsa, Miami
KS: KC, Lawrence
AR: Rogers, Little Rock
TX: Arlington, Irving, Ft. Worth, Dallas
TN: Memphis
NE: Lincoln
CO: Denver

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
07/22/2022 11:49 pm

sweet! Last show I saw was either Gary Newman ( our car got robbed BTW) or Suffocation which was Frank Mullen’s last show. Who are you seeing?Both were great, BTW Who are you seeing?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
07/23/2022 4:48 am

Upcoming shows

Incubus and Sublime
The Black Crowes
Jack White
Shinedown
Modest Mouse
The Killers
Panic at the Disco
Red Hot Chili Peppers and The Strokes
Scorpions and Whitesnake
My Chemical Romance
Mother Mother
The Black Keys
The Who
Greta Van Fleet

Also might sneak Halestorm and The Pretty Reckless in there, and I am pretty sure Butch Walker is going on tour in the fall.

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
07/22/2022 9:40 pm

he aint happy bout it

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
07/22/2022 7:32 pm

Saw today that Victor Bolden signed with AZ . Kavonte Turpin is still unsigned. He was the USFL MVP a year ago. Profiles as Jakeem Grant. Very slight, but game breaking return ability, 4.31 speed. KC should bring him in for a tryout

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
07/22/2022 7:45 pm

Victor Bolden … who?

Kavonte Turpin … who??

Jakeem Grant … who???

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
07/22/2022 8:02 pm

Jakeem Grant is the only name that I recognized.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
07/22/2022 8:41 pm

UPS hasn’t heard of him so he must be trash. Shrugs

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
07/22/2022 8:39 pm

6 career return TDs in 6 seasons for Grant. Pretty damn good if you ask me

Wichita Chief
Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:16 pm

Rip with tickets to the Bills game. All I can say is….

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upamtn
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:19 pm

that’s gooder

Wichita Chief
Wichita Chief
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:19 pm

One more try

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Wichita Chief
Wichita Chief
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:20 pm

Keyboard challenged

upamtn
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:21 pm

obviously 😉

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:21 pm

me too

Wichita Chief
Wichita Chief
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:21 pm

Rip, Steve, Wichita

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Wichita Chief
Wichita Chief
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:22 pm

In no particular order

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:26 pm

I would say it is more of a different trio 🙂

Wichita Chief
Wichita Chief
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:30 pm

True. It still cracks me up though.
I better fire this up and go mow. The mercury is below 100.

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:33 pm

you are the only one to see Strams ghost at Arrowhead

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:22 pm
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Wichita Chief
07/22/2022 7:19 pm

your image is not working

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:03 pm

damn

The Salary Cap SituationAs previously stated, the NFL is a business, and the salary cap is a real factor when building a team. The cap for the 2022 NFL season is $208.2 million, while the Over The Cap is projecting the 2023 NFL cap ceiling to be $225 million.
Also according to Over The Cap, with the projected $225 million cap ceiling, the Chiefs are projected to have around $16 million in cap space for 2023 with approximately 42 roster spots taken (after Joshua Williams signs his rookie contract). Chris Jones’ 2023 cap hit is scheduled to be about $27.04 million, with $20 million of that being base salary and a workout bonus.
Because 2023 is the final year of Jones’ current contract, the Chiefs (next offseason) will be unable to restructure his contract to push money down the road to save cap $ immediately. The only realistic way the Chiefs can reduce his cap hit is to A.) Release him and save $20 million or, B.) Trade him and also save $20 million or, C.) Extend his contract beyond 2023 and save anywhere from $5-15 million on the 2023 cap. (That depends on how the new extension is structured.)

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/06/07/chris-jones-contract-creates-big-questions-chiefs-beyond-2022/

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zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:06 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:07 pm

Aaron Donald isn’t retiring, and he’s returning to a bank vault worth of cash.
The Los Angeles Rams restructured Donald’s contract to make him the highest-paid non-quarterback in NFL history, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Monday, per a source. The team has since announced the news.
No new years were added to Donald’s contract, which now guarantees him $65 million over the next two seasons and $95 million through the 2024 season, Rapoport added. In all, Donald nets a $40 million raise over his previous contract, which carried a base salary of just $9.25 million into the 2022 season.
“I’m locked back in to go get us another ring — why not!?” Donald said upon signing his new contract. “Getting the chills thinking about it. Let’s go to work.”

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:15 pm

whatever happened to “I’d play for free if they’d let me”

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
07/22/2022 8:46 pm

What happened to “I’m a multi-billionaire, so I don’t need the gobs of money my NFL team drags in”? That’s where the obscene “salary” level actually kicks in.

But hey, if you want to focus on the millions made by disposable employees and ignore the billions the CEOs make, I can’t stop you. For my part, I’m all for them negotiating to get as much as they can while they can. NFL=Not For Long

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:15 pm

at $225M/team and 32 teams in the league, that’s $7,200M total = a bit over $7 BILLION …

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
07/22/2022 7:29 pm

The N.F.L. signed new media rights agreements with CBS, NBC, Fox, ESPN and Amazon collectively worth about $110 billion over 11 years, nearly doubling the value of its previous contracts.
The contracts, which will take effect in 2023 and run through the 2033 season, will cement the N.F.L.’s status as the country’s most lucrative sports league. They will also set the stage for the league’s owners to make good on plans to expand the regular season to include a 17th game and charge more for broadcasting rights.

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:47 pm

and “we” pay for a lot of those agreements … all of them, one way or another (even if you’re not a football fan, you pay)

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 8:25 pm

The NFL also stands to make bank on the Sunday Ticket package starting next year. If they can sell 10 million units at $250 per, (and you know you will buy it, dont even lie), that’s another $2.5bil a year.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
07/22/2022 7:30 pm

Professor

where is the missing 3 billion dollars per year going?

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:48 pm

I am NOT a “capologist”

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:03 pm

Siaki Ika
Baylor
DL1T
Reach/Value: -2Height:
6’3″
Weight:
350
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The likelihood that Chris Jones remains in a Chiefs uniform after the 2022 season is not very high. His $27 MIL contract does not fit well under the salary cap. Even if Jones stays, and George Karlaftis (picked in RD1 this year) pans out, the Chiefs are very thin on the defensive line. Look for GM Brett Veach to follow through on his promise to fix the D-Line in the 2023 draft.

The Chiefs should have 12 selections next year when the NFL Draft comes to KC!

~KCBudMan, Chiefs Analyst

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:17 pm

with (currently) 12 picks, one would imagine Veach could finish the D-Line, O-Line, more for the Secondary and another coupla WRs and/or RBs (pretty much whatever he wants)

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
07/22/2022 7:36 pm

I should schedule a hotel for that weekend

the Hyatt would be awesome right across the street from Union Station

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 6:55 pm

IS the IT department supposed to be helping us with new and improved that breaks tried and true?

seems I was able to do things via the company website with password and verification by phone…
Now I can’t cause my personal home desktop is not known to corporate IT, it was 2 weeks ago…

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:03 pm

would likely be IT … doesn’t recognize your PC now, might be different IP address (they can change, depending on your service provider and other factors)

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
07/22/2022 7:09 pm

just as an IT guy, I don’t understand why I can access the network website via any device since it is password and verified by a second device….

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:18 pm

that’s happened to me and I’ve never understood it … unless Arnie stopped by their office and “You’ve Just Been Erased”

Leaf
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 7:53 pm

The reason for that is the network websites are closed off to access from non network for security reasons. If it’s open to the wide web it can be hacked given enough time. Closing off access adds another layer of security. The only way to access a network website is if you VPN in

Leaf
Reply to  steve_chiefs
07/22/2022 8:21 pm

My bad Steve. I completely read your comment wrong. After a long shift reading comp goes way down 😂

zulu trader
zulu trader
07/22/2022 6:35 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader
07/22/2022 6:17 pm

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MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  zulu trader
07/22/2022 7:01 pm

She reminds me too much of Francesca Fiore from The Kids in the Hall.

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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  zulu trader
07/22/2022 8:10 pm

Damn. She makes me look tan.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
07/22/2022 6:13 pm

The first day of camp hasn’t been the same since Sausage retired.

View post on imgur.com

rip58
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/22/2022 6:21 pm

Sherman…. He was awesome..

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  rip58
07/22/2022 6:25 pm

he was great!

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MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  zulu trader
07/22/2022 7:02 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/22/2022 6:49 pm

agree

zulu trader
zulu trader
07/22/2022 5:59 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader
07/22/2022 5:57 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader
07/22/2022 5:56 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader
07/22/2022 5:47 pm

Stadium
@Stadium
·
Top 5 QB ratings in Madden 23:

1. Tom Brady-97
2. Aaron Rodgers-96
3. Patrick Mahomes-95
4. Josh Allen-92
5. Joe Burrow-90

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  zulu trader
07/22/2022 5:56 pm

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zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  MasterChief
07/22/2022 5:58 pm

I guess the GOAT is still the GOAT

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  zulu trader
07/22/2022 6:20 pm

The score is for current ability, not past accomplishments.

I’ll take Mahomes over all of them.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  MasterChief
07/22/2022 6:22 pm

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Leaf
Reply to  MasterChief
07/22/2022 7:57 pm

Yeah that ranking seems very odd as no one in their right mind thinks that current TB is at the top

ChiefDog
07/22/2022 5:46 pm

zulu trader
zulu trader
07/22/2022 5:45 pm

ChiefDog
Reply to  zulu trader
07/22/2022 5:47 pm

Don’t sleep on my boy!

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  ChiefDog
07/22/2022 6:15 pm

#1 receiver come September

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
07/22/2022 6:19 pm

where is EAFOX???

he needs to see this!

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  zulu trader
07/22/2022 6:48 pm

You guys need to R E L A X. It’s practice. When has he ever shown the focus to be a #1 WR. JuJu will be Patrick’s #1 target by the end of the year if he stays healthy.

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probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/22/2022 6:50 pm

Excluding Travis of course.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/22/2022 7:01 pm

hardman will have more yards than juju — hands down!

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  zulu trader
07/22/2022 7:30 pm

Doubt it

upamtn
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/22/2022 7:06 pm

It’s practice

I keep tryin’ to tell ’em that but will anyone listen?

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  upamtn
07/22/2022 7:29 pm

Zulu? Listen?

upamtn
Reply to  probablyamistake
07/22/2022 7:48 pm

I know, right?

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