Thursday Night O/T: Good players on Bad teams

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Welcome to AG’s nightly Open Thread, drop in and join a conversation, or start one yourself.

Guys who had the misfortune to play on some really stinky Chiefs teams.

Tonight: Carols Carson, whose career ended just as Marty was arriving.

Carlos Carson. For those of us lucky enough to be old, we got to watch this guy. Sometimes. Since these Chiefs were never on TV. This guy had skills. Fifth round pick in 1980, he played for 10 seasons. His best year was 1983, made a couple of Pro Bowls, and our HoF.

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BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/02/2022 10:55 pm

Not if we keep focusing on the wrong things, it won’t. But holding to the status quo is the default, for most folks.

But even if we stop trying to do the same things over and over, people have been killing other people down our entire lineage, senselessly or worse. So even if we start doing things that will actually help, it’s an unachievable goal. That’s the nature of safety measures, after all.

pompano
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/02/2022 11:05 pm

no idea what was used in this one, but…Will never stop entirely, esp with the # of guns of all types we already have. If we can do something to reduce the worst of them (which was done before) I’m on board. Folks got by killing each other fine before AR proliferation, and will continue without them, in a slightly less horrific manner…it’s something

upamtn
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/02/2022 11:33 pm

a church … no place is safe (insert sad face here)
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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 10:13 pm

Jeebus

New York (CNN)Disgraced attorney Michael Avenatti was sentenced to four years in prison for stealing nearly $300,000 from his former client, adult film actress Stormy Daniels.
District Judge Jesse Furman said Avenatti’s conduct was “so brazen and egregious” adding, he “took advantage of a vulnerable victim given her unorthodox career and somewhat unorthodox beliefs.”

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/02/politics/michael-avenatti-stormy-daniels-sentencing/index.html

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 10:26 pm

yeah right

Stormy Daniels Net Worthhttps://www.celebritynetworth.com › … › Actors

Stormy Daniels Net Worth: Stormy Daniels is an American adult film actress, writer, and director who has a net worth of $2 million dollars.

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 10:51 pm

so 2 lawyers go down (fine by me), but the dude that paid the hush money walks free, hmmm

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
06/02/2022 10:57 pm

The “hush money” was a binding, perfectly legal contract. NDAs happen all the time, so they are not evidence of criminal activity.

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
06/02/2022 11:12 pm

Except when it’s a possible campaign fund violation.
Then denying the payment at all, then saying “I paid it myself, no violation”, maybe not provably criminal on his part, but fucked up.

pompano
Reply to  pompano
06/02/2022 11:15 pm

Also not all NDAs are legally binding depending on circumstances.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
06/02/2022 9:52 pm

larch
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/02/2022 9:57 pm

Was it not Fitzpatrick who led the Dolphins to a surprise victory over the Pats in the last game of the season a couple-three years ago which helped the Chiefs secure the #1 seed in the AFC?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  larch
06/02/2022 10:09 pm

maybe

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  larch
06/02/2022 10:16 pm

Pretty sure it was.

zulu trader
zulu trader
06/02/2022 8:30 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:46 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader
06/02/2022 7:38 pm
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:19 pm

Thoughts?

KAREEM HUNT
RB, CLEVELAND BROWNS
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The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports the Browns have not had “substantive” extension talks with contract-year RB Kareem Hunt. There has been the loosest of internet chatter that Hunt will end up a trade candidate this summer because the Browns have a potential reliable No. 2 in D’Ernest Johnson behind Nick Chubb, but there is no financial incentive to move on from Hunt at this point, unless the Browns have cash-flow concerns. Considering the sorry state of the receiver corps, it seems unlikely they would be dying to deal Hunt’s pass-catching ability. The most likely scenario is probably Hunt playing out his deal and hitting free agency as a 27-year-old next spring. 

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:21 pm

His one year contract right now is

$6,250,000

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:36 pm

too much water under that bridge

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 7:40 pm

I doubt Veach looks at it that way

Do you think if he brought Kareem in that the Chiefs would not explore all those issues?

He is 27, He is not 23 anymore

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:22 pm
Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:28 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 7:34 pm

we are paying frank clark twice this amount, and we could in a trade extend him and pay 3 million? we have a RB issue. RoJo might fix it

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:58 pm

Kareem Hunt has a 4.4 ypc since joining Cleveland.

CEH has a 4.4 ypc here.

Let’s stick with the cheaper guy until we find our next Jamaal Charles.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 8:01 pm

will be an interesting off season 🙂

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 8:03 pm

ceh cap this year $2,951,339

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 8:03 pm

Rojo $1,500,000

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 8:05 pm

Love that signing

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 10:27 pm

What about yards per reception? Or just receptions total.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 8:05 pm

We need to extend Brown

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/02/2022 8:16 pm

and? why does this not happen if Brown wants

Chiefs currently

Total Cap Liabilities: $207,640,606

Top 51: $207,640,606

Team Cap Space: $17,359,394

  • Offense: $112,404,243
  • Defense: $89,516,363
  • Special: $5,720,000

for 2023

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 9:46 pm

We don’t need another RB IMO. Extend Brown then shore up the DL if we make another move.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 9:58 pm

As I said to someone here the other day, the problem with signing Brown was his lack of expert representation, who are required to craft a customized contract, especially considering they’re dealing with the Chiefs.

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 9:10 pm

fuck him

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:17 pm

ALEX LEATHERWOOD
T, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS
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Raiders OL Alex Leatherwood has been working at right tackle so far in OTAs. The widely first guessed final first-round pick of the Gruden/Mayock era, Leatherwood was a rookie calamity at right tackle before taking some reps at guard. He wasn’t good on the interior, either. The new regime will probably also give Leatherwood some reps at guard at some point so they understand what they are working with. It is far from a guarantee Leatherwood earns a 2022 starting job.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:20 pm

yeah,trade/ bring him in to compete at RT

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 7:29 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 7:38 pm

was more a point on the Raiders have O-line issues than I want him here 🙂

3rdnlong
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 10:38 pm

I always like hearing about the deficiencies of our AFC West rivals.

ChiefDog
06/02/2022 7:02 pm

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  ChiefDog
06/02/2022 7:03 pm

well

a start?

Tony Sommer
Reply to  ChiefDog
06/02/2022 7:03 pm

About time!

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  ChiefDog
06/02/2022 7:12 pm

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larch
Reply to  ChiefDog
06/02/2022 9:26 pm

Good.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  larch
06/02/2022 9:29 pm

Orlando is the guys first client

larch
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 9:52 pm

Okay. Let’s see what happens. Ironically the one thing that makes me a bit unsure about Brown is that he didn’t have the wisdom to hire an agent sooner.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  larch
06/02/2022 9:59 pm

he’s a target as are all people with millions of dollars

larch
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 10:02 pm

So then Brown was wise in taking his time to find suitable representation?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  larch
06/02/2022 10:23 pm

I don’t think that is correct

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 10:49 pm

Probably not. I think he misled himself by doing his rookie contract, since those are pretty boilerplate. In turn, he went into negotiations feeling competent, and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that Veach tried his best to accommodate him. Unfortunately, I think he hit the wall when it came to structure. That’s likely when he started seeking representation, and he had some catching up to do there, thus the delay.

pompano
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 10:22 pm

1st NFL client, apparently Brown wanted someone w/o prior relationships i.e. “his” guy, IDK if that’s smart or not.

zulu trader
zulu trader
06/02/2022 6:54 pm

Nate Taylor
@ByNateTaylor
Patrick Mahomes after his second shot, which lands on the green on the 1st hole of The Match:
“I prepared my whole life for this moment, not the Super Bowl.”

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 7:00 pm

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 7:02 pm

is it a spoiler to tell me how it went?

I don’t want Mahomes excellent at Golf till he is 50

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:17 pm

Pat McAfee
@PatMcAfeeShow
3 beers deep.. talking some shit.. driving the ball 318 middle of the fairway… Patrick Mahomes is becoming America’s Sweetheart QUICKLY on this golf course

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 7:23 pm

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 6:48 pm
pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 6:51 pm
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
06/02/2022 6:52 pm
probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:02 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader
06/02/2022 6:26 pm

Adam Teicher
@adamteicher
One of the Chiefs’ 4 QBs was absent from practice today. You can guess which one. I don’t blame him. If I played golf in Vegas last night I wouldn’t have been here either.

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zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 6:28 pm

Kansas City Chiefs
@Chiefs
Patrick Mahomes is GOOD.

Good night, #ChiefsKingdom

zulu trader
zulu trader
06/02/2022 6:22 pm

Nate Taylor
@ByNateTaylor
Andy Reid, understandably, on the Chiefs’ offseason practices: “Listen, nobody is getting hit.”

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zulu trader
zulu trader
06/02/2022 6:21 pm

Matt Derrick
@mattderrick
New Chiefs DL coach Joe Cullen says he was a fan of both Chris Jones and Frank Clark since evaluating them coming out in their draft classes. He has high expectations for both of them in 2022.

“I expect those guys to have career years.”

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pompano
06/02/2022 6:11 pm

holy chit.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  pompano
06/02/2022 6:34 pm

$150,000 per throw. I’m in the wrong business.

Snafu
Reply to  MasterChief
06/02/2022 6:36 pm

My application still hasn’t arrived in the mail.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Snafu
06/02/2022 6:40 pm

Columbia Missouri

Maybe you sent it to the wrong place?

https://www.ranker.com/list/best-missouri-tigers-quarterbacks/ranker-college-football

upamtn
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:05 pm

he DID have the Tigers at #1 in the country … for a week, anyway

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
06/02/2022 7:14 pm

fucking Jayhawks

seriously

who could write that script?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/02/2022 8:04 pm

truth!!!!!

damn

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  MasterChief
06/02/2022 6:37 pm

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Tony Sommer
Reply to  MasterChief
06/02/2022 6:38 pm

As much as we make fun of “bad” players, the reality is that even backups like Daniel are better at playing football than any of us are at anything.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  Tony Sommer
06/02/2022 6:39 pm

not what my girlfriend says!

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Tony Sommer
06/02/2022 6:42 pm

I am better than most football players at stuff….

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Tony Sommer
06/02/2022 6:55 pm

Don’t you undersell my ability to be a smartass to complete strangers and not have them punch me in the mouth.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 6:59 pm

will be tested on your vacation?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:01 pm

Nope. I don’t want to piss off a cartel member.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 7:04 pm

pay for your weed !

BleedingRedAndGold
06/02/2022 6:10 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader
06/02/2022 6:01 pm

LIVE NOW!

zulu trader
zulu trader
06/02/2022 6:00 pm
Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 5:58 pm

Starting my first vacation of the year tonight. Me and the Mrs fly to Mexico tomorrow.

This song just dropped yesterday.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 6:03 pm

Have fun SC. Watch out for Montezuma.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 6:34 pm

congrats

Enjoy

Don’t drink water

Snafu
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 6:39 pm

Where, in particular?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Snafu
06/02/2022 6:44 pm
probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 6:52 pm
Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/02/2022 7:03 pm
3rdnlong
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/02/2022 10:41 pm

Great group! Had to listen to them in a college class once and was hooked.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Snafu
06/02/2022 6:51 pm

Cancun. Sun Palace Resort.

I am not leaving the compound. I just want to sit on my ass and eat.

pompano
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 6:55 pm

gotta get up early to get a chaise by the pool.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
06/02/2022 7:00 pm

buy one!!!!

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:04 pm

if you get up real early, before everybody wakes up, you can go swim in the ocean before the hotels dump all their sewage out in the water

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Dont ya just love Mexico?

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 7:07 pm

dammit man

don’t ruin dreams

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:10 pm

Hey, when in Mexico always use the chlorinated pools!

larch
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 9:23 pm

Okay, but not the ones with a swim-up bar and submerged stools.

pompano
Reply to  larch
06/02/2022 10:24 pm

prude.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 7:12 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 7:26 pm

so you escaped Prison

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  steve_chiefs
06/02/2022 7:29 pm
probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  zulu trader
06/02/2022 7:16 pm

Yes I do. Beautiful country. Good people.

Snafu
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 7:24 pm

Had a good visit to Cancun back in the day. Downtown. Good times. a few nice excursions to be had.
have fun

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 7:59 pm

BRING TONS OF $1’S

TIP MY PEOPLE. 🙂
Regardless of all inclusive

Next time stay @ IBEROSTAR hotel.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  gonzangkc11
06/02/2022 8:03 pm

I hope there is an ATM. I brought about $30 in 1s and I will leave a $20 for the housekeeper at the end of my stay.

Don’t know if I will do this again. I enjoy lake water more than ocean water. I did this to appease my wife.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
06/02/2022 8:07 pm

awesome man

you won’t regret this

I wish I could do what you are doing 🙁 Time ran out

zulu trader
zulu trader
06/02/2022 5:54 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader
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06/02/2022 5:58 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader
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06/02/2022 5:59 pm
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