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What’s on your mind tonight?

So … what’s up?

Something something Draft, something something Chris Jones … eh, why bother, you guys take it from here!

What’s on your mind tonight?

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pompano
pompano(@pompano)
04/02/2020 9:59 pm

I love how Catfish Blues evolves (pun intended) into a respecful and entertaining discussion on the meaning of liff (sic).
like the good old days

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
04/02/2020 8:24 pm

Hadn’t seen this dude before. Well now I got time to check out his other stuff…

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  pompano
04/02/2020 8:40 pm

Been watching those who understand science demolishing the science-free beliefs of flat-earthers, young earth creationists, and Apollo hoaxers. Just a couple more, then I’m off to find some Noxzema so I can treat myself for all the burning stupidity I’ve been exposed to.

One side deals in facts and reason, the other side cobbles together “theories” that aren’t even compatible across the various “models” they put together and make up science-y sounding factoids that don’t match the observable universe and can’t be demonstrated as real via controlled experimentation, only by getting people go do things that seem to support whatever they want you to see. One side has produced computers, satellites, and basically the entire modern world. The other says that it’s all lies while surrounded by the modern world. Oy.

Leaf
Leaf(@leaf)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 8:43 pm

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BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  Leaf
04/02/2020 8:53 pm

I detest that show, not least because it couldn’t exist w/o lying to the general public in every episode. Hell, I’ve already proven to my satisfaction that on YT any video titled to indicate that they’re “providing evidence” of “things the experts can’t explain” is basically lying to you, first and foremost by convincing folks that anything they’re saying in those videos is important by lying in the title. Dickless there’s prolly participated in the whole “Egyptian light bulb” lie.

Leaf
Leaf(@leaf)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 9:14 pm

I actually like that show, but not because I necessarily think they are correct. For the most part it’s mindless entertainment. Yes it’s on the “History” channel, and one would think that means it should be educational, but AA is actually more closely tied to history than 90% of the other shows on that channel nowadays. I know I’m in the minority on this site, but I respect that they don’t just accept the standard explanation for things. Way too many people just accept what they have been told and don’t look at things and make judgments for themselves. Now with that said, I do find 90% of their conclusions to be a stretch at best.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Leaf
04/02/2020 9:20 pm

Entertainment vs fact – the problem is how many people cannot distinguish between the two.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 9:28 pm

Fewer and fewer by the minute.

Leaf
Leaf(@leaf)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 9:30 pm

True, but that’s a problem for everything. We teach incorrect/incomplete history in our schools all the time and most accept those falsehoods as fact. As I pointed out, people are too easily influenced by what yet are told. Not enough people question things.

Edit: I added incomplete because in some cases it isn’t wrong because it’s unfactual, but because it’s vague and misleading.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Leaf
04/02/2020 9:36 pm

As a former history teacher, I can attest to that fact.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake(@probablyamistake)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 8:52 pm

I have no problem with science when it comes to the mechanics of our environment, but that was a really well disguised shot at Christianity. Well done.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/02/2020 8:55 pm

It was? Only one related to Christianity was the creationists, and even there I specified the “young earth” variety. The large majority of Christians roll their eyes at these idiots, too.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 8:58 pm

Not defending anyone but realize that science can perhaps explain ten percent of the mysteries of man.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 9:32 pm

The only thing we know for sure is that we we don’t know shit yet.
But we have only been really trying for a few hundred yrs. We havn’t gotten out of kindergarten yet.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  pompano
04/02/2020 9:34 pm

Not against science but for all the people who believe everything a scientist concludes should take a look at all the falsehoods that science has presented to us throughout history. Science, when not treated the right way, is the new religion for some.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 9:42 pm

True enough, bad science is worthless.
Piltdown man made it’s way to textbooks as it was being debunked.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  pompano
04/02/2020 10:09 pm

True enough, but Piltdown Man wasn’t actually science, but a deliberate hoax for money and recognition. Scientists didn’t start it, they just got roped into it.

OTOH everything ever claimed about the nature of the “Crystal Skulls” is actually false, they’re a modern creation.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 10:12 pm

Not according to a movie I watched about Indiana Jones.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 10:18 pm

Yeah, should have prefaced “when bogus info gets accepted as science without corroboration”, bad science on the back end

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 9:45 pm

For some, but that’s always been true. The difference is that science eventually weeds out its mistakes and corrects its limited understanding of things. If one looks at religions as a way of understanding the universe in the same way…

I’ve said before and will say again that the Bible shouldn’t be trashed as entirely fictional, it’s an important collection of historical documentation that in a number of ways lines up with reality. OTOH mistranslations and failure to understand cultural context mean that it cannot be taken as literally true, either. One can glean faith, guidance and understanding from it, but it’s no basis for a rational system of reasoning about the way the physical universe works. It’s too open to “Biblical literalists” to interpret and cherry-pick while demanding that you can’t do either, it’s the literal truth.

It wasn’t Solomon’s lover’s navel that was always wet for him, after all.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 9:49 pm

Agree with both of your points – science is much better now (but not perfect) in updating the old science with new findings. As regards to the Bible, you said it well.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 9:59 pm

I don’t disagree, science has had its flaws – the cover-up of the Brontosaurus mistake, f’rex – but for the most part if you ask a science person about a mistake of the past, they’ll agree it was actually a mistake and not make excuses about “science having made a mistake” and follow up with ‘we know better now’.

The difference is that when you do such a thing with a religion – just about any religion, not just Christianity, and the reaction one gets is “you can’t hold the past against us!’. So my point is that one side won’t allow for the same rule to applied equally.

I’ve known people with faith, including a few around here, and I have respect for them and their faith. Those who have religion are another matter, because they are committed to The Only Right Way to Believe, right or wrong.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 10:08 pm

Scientists believe in the Theory of Evolution
Some with religion believe in the Adam and Eve creation
Some with religion believe in another creation via a supreme being
Some believe that we are descended from Alien beings
Some believe that we will never know the true answer

All of the above tend to be committed to the idea that they have the only right way to believe.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 10:14 pm

Perhaps, but only one on the list is supported by a mountain of empirical evidence across a range of different disciplines which were not actually working together to prop up a belief. Carbon dating works regardless of its relationship with evidence of evolution, same thing goes with genetic analysis.

And science doesn’t claim to have the only answers, just the best ones we’ve come up with to this point. It’s open to change. “It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, damnit!” is not open to change. One of those things is not like the others.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 10:29 pm

Not an Adam and Eve creation person but I do not believe people, chimpanzees, orangutans, and gorillas all have a common ancestor, Many of those who believe in science would chastise me as much as the biblical crowd would. Scientists have found many ape-like creatures and try to fit them into their theory. Have they ever questioned the theory? Could there be multiple ancestors that evolved in a different direction?

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 10:50 pm

All of the great apes (including humans) funnel back to a commen ancestor, there were some branches along the way but DNA proves we are more similar than not.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 9:33 pm

That’s a different question, and I could come up with a host of videos about interesting things that science wants to find the answer for but haven’t gotten there yet. Science doesn’t claim to have all the answers, it’s a search for them, and pretty much anyone who’s interested in science thinks that’s pretty cool, going around figuring things out while always having more to figure out.

Biblical literalists aren’t looking for answers, they have them all, and everyone who disagrees isn’t just wrong, they’re probably sinful, especially when someone pokes holes in their arguments. Ken Ham and diploma-mill “doctor” Kent Hovind are a couple perfect examples of the inherent dishonesty of the concept, since they never give a straight answer when challenged by science types. “Professor Dave Explains tried to get Hovind to simply define what he meant when he talked about animal “kind” and how it related to his discussion of life on Earth, and Hovind wouldn’t answer. Instead he did everything he could to try and discredit the question and weasel his way to a topic change. That’s not a faith based on honesty, that’s a snake-oil tactic.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake(@probablyamistake)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 9:54 pm

I’m not a scientist and don’t study scientific “theory”, so I can’t debate in that context. The Bible certainly uses a lot of symbolism and I don’t pretend to understand everything the Bible teaches. I’m just a regular guy that believes in the Lord, so not really interested in debating with people that believe in scientific “theories” of our origin. Not interested in calling people idiots because they disagree with my view of our origin, I understand the disbelief. Sometimes I struggle with my faith, but when I’m told that life on earth evolved from slime that crawled out of the ocean, I think I’ll stick with the Lord.

Leaf
Leaf(@leaf)
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/02/2020 9:56 pm

but when I’m told that life on earth evolved from slime that crawled out of the ocean, I think I’ll stick with the Lord.

If we are being fair, it could be both

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  Leaf
04/02/2020 10:04 pm

THAT”S THE POINT,
it’s not either/or.
evoloution could be the divine mechanism.
it’s not allowed as a possibility, i guess

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  pompano
04/02/2020 10:19 pm

That view is at least potentially compatible with science, it’s absolutely incompatible with “young earth creationism”. With YEC science must be false, period. No compromise, no mutual understanding, they are right because Bible, period.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 10:23 pm

I know. Went to parochrial school for 8 yrs, not by choice.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake(@probablyamistake)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 10:49 pm

This I agree with, the Bible is absolutely contrary to scientific theories of our origin. You chose science, I chose the Bible. If you’re right you will never know it. If I’m right you will be completely aware of your error. I wish I could say that I hope your right, but that would mean my Lord doesn’t exist. You guys can call me delusional or whatever you want, don’t really care because He does exist.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/02/2020 11:04 pm

I don’t say God does not exist, but I do call bullshit on the bible creation story as being literal. Many theologians contend that it is allegorical. A benevolent supreme being should resrpect a little critical thinking.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/02/2020 10:02 pm

Science and evolution – Check out “In the year 2525” for an interesting view of people in the future.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/02/2020 10:29 pm

I can’t respond to that because evolution isn’t that humans began with slime that crawled out of the ocean. However genetic testing, comparison, and theory all point to modern primates, which includes humans as well as apes, chimps, orangs, and et cetera all having the same common ancestor. Genes, morphology, paleontology and a few others all agree on this point without cutting corners to stay consistent.

I’ll go with the theory that life arose due to the proper conditions creating a sort of proto-life that eventually, like a billion years later, caused a fish-like creature to be able to make short forays on land as conditions provided pressures and opportunities than follow that chain than God made a man out of dust, then stole one of his ribs to make a female while everything else was created in male-female pairs without further explanation.

But if you don’t care for either, I suppose you can go with Devo’s lyric, “God made man from a monkey that looked like you”. 😉

probablyamistake
probablyamistake(@probablyamistake)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 9:00 pm

If you’re referring to Christian’s that reject the universe being here for billions of years, mark me down as an idiot. ?

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/02/2020 9:21 pm

Well a good chunk of the mechanics indicate that it is not 6000 yrs old.
The bible teaches many valuable and imprtant things but a literal interpetation of creation is not one.
That does not deny a creator, just means the story was allegorical, told in a way understandable to people of the time.
Moses would have a rough time with quatum mechanics.

Tyrone
Tyrone(@tyrone5)
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/02/2020 9:32 pm

marked

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/02/2020 9:35 pm

No, I’m referring to the belief (not theory) that the universe is under 20,000 years old. If that were true we wouldn’t be talking now, because computers couldn’t work.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 9:39 pm

Can you explain that, in a nutshell way? Or point me to something to look over? If the earth was <20K yrs old, computers wouldn't work? I don't get the connection

Leaf
Leaf(@leaf)
Reply to  NovaChiefs
04/02/2020 9:46 pm

Well I don’t know exactly his angle, but for one thing, the minerals needed to make the components used in computers wouldn’t have formed in only 20,000 years, let alone the fraction of that 20K year universe that is the earth’s lifespan to date.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  NovaChiefs
04/02/2020 10:37 pm

Science theory and research established the elemental table, which reliably predicts how elements behave. If uranium has a half-life it demonstrates age accurately. If the behavior of uranium did not because it’s only been 20K years then all of chemistry falls apart and the chemistry needed to invent the diode would’ve never worked.

There’s one way to stay in the 20K range and comply with both theories, though. God created the universe 20K years ago in a way to make it appear that it’s much older than its inhabitants can disprove; IOW God’s lying to man, deceiving us for some unfathomable purpose. But it’s still lying.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 10:50 pm

Leaf, BR&G,
Thanks. Makes sense. Hadn’t thought it through that far.
The idea (and I’ve seen this one before) that God placed misleading clues so we’d THINK the Earth was older than it really is just makes so little sense I find it hard to even talk about. Why? Why would he lie to us like that? What possible reason? And if we believe that God would lie to us about something as basic as how old the planet is, how do we then believe what he says about other things? It’s a line of logic that totally mystifies me.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  NovaChiefs
04/02/2020 11:07 pm

Let us think the unthinkable, let us do the undoable, let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
RIP Doug

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 9:09 pm

The flat earthers, I did that for an afternoon or 2.
“Water is level”
“No it’s not and here’s why”
“I can see it’s level”
Trolling or willful ingorance, boring either way.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  pompano
04/02/2020 9:14 pm

It is one thing to perpetuate a lie that can be one hundred percent to be proven wrong – example – the earth is flat. True, you are an idiot or a troll if you believe that crock of shit. Unexplained phenomena that cannot or has not been explained by science – if you want to believe some way out theory, no harm done and no skin off my nose.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 9:26 pm

No arguement on that from me. But at least pretend to be “scientific” about it.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  pompano
04/02/2020 9:32 pm

If one wants to be taken seriously, it should be based on some pseudo research in which we can critique your research and not simply your conclusion.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 9:46 pm

*Replication and peer review

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  pompano
04/02/2020 9:52 pm

If you want to present a series of hairs that experts cannot match to any known species, I can pay attention to that with some interest. If you want to present it as definitive proof that Bigfoot exists, I would question your conclusion.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 9:55 pm

His name is Sasquatch, fyi

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  pompano
04/02/2020 9:56 pm

The more correct term, yes.

Leaf
Leaf(@leaf)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 10:03 pm

One must be politically correct. Mr. Squatch’s lawyers are ruthless.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Leaf
04/02/2020 10:09 pm

He has the money for the best lawyers with what he makes off his commercials.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  Leaf
04/02/2020 10:12 pm

Does he still come around?
Hope he’s well.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
Reply to  pompano
04/02/2020 10:52 pm

He is the all-time champion of Social Distancing

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  NovaChiefs
04/02/2020 11:08 pm

HA

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
04/02/2020 10:46 pm

I agree, for private beliefs. When you have religious faith wanting their beliefs to be presented as equal alternatives in science classes or do as a flat-earther shouting across a fence at grade-schoolers at recess about how everything they’re being taught is a lie, my views necessarily change to match both dishonest presentations.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
04/02/2020 8:12 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
04/02/2020 7:57 pm
zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
04/02/2020 7:47 pm

Adam Teicher
@adamteicher

Reid wouldn’t commit one way or the other about whether Sammy Watkins would be able to remain with Chiefs under current contract. He added, “We sure like Sammy. He’s done a great job for us.”

Tony Sommer
Tony Sommer(@wustl_chiefs_fan)
04/02/2020 7:47 pm

I’ve been working from home the last couple weeks, but there was something I had to do in the office today, and it was in an area without any people around, so I figured the risk was low as long as I took precautions. Apparently I’m the only person in the whole company who cares at all, everybody else was walking around as if it was business as usual.

Should I write a sarcastic email to the higher ups explaining how the mathematical chances of somebody in the company getting the virus is 95% in the optimistic projections, or just leave it be?

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/02/2020 7:51 pm

quit and save yourself

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Tony Sommer
Tony Sommer(@wustl_chiefs_fan)
Reply to  zulu trader
04/02/2020 8:00 pm

Speaking of which, today was also pretty stressful. Should I relax and do nothing the rest of the night, or work on Zulu’s mock draft pick?

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/02/2020 8:01 pm

definitely work the pick

Tony Sommer
Tony Sommer(@wustl_chiefs_fan)
Reply to  zulu trader
04/02/2020 8:02 pm

Do nothing it is.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11(@gonzangkc11)
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/02/2020 8:23 pm

It’s coming — just take care of yourself & your family. Let the others, figure it out, when it’s too late

here in Denver
It’s getting crazier & crazier

probablyamistake
probablyamistake(@probablyamistake)
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/02/2020 8:44 pm

Just let it go, it’s all just a “MEDIA F…… HOAX” anyway.

Tony Sommer
Tony Sommer(@wustl_chiefs_fan)
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/02/2020 9:10 pm

I think I’m going to put it into a Science Saturday instead.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
04/02/2020 7:46 pm

Herbie Teope
@HerbieTeope

Chiefs coach Andy Reid is like all of us. He tells us he’s working out of his basement.

“You know what? It’s not bad,” Reid says.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
04/02/2020 7:45 pm

BJ Kissel
@ChiefsReporter

Antonio Hamilton mentioned that coming out of college he thought about how special it would be to play in front of #ChiefsKingdom at Arrowhead Stadium.

Said the Chiefs were one of the teams “in the mix” after he went undrafted.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
04/02/2020 7:42 pm

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
04/02/2020 7:39 pm

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
04/02/2020 7:38 pm

James Palmer
@JamesPalmerTV

Today #chiefs head coach Andy Reid said no players or coaches have tested positive for COVID-19.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  zulu trader
04/02/2020 8:29 pm

While that could simply mean nobody’s been tested at all, considering the purchasing power of an NFL team I expect the team has purchased or paid for the tests privately. 1% wealth in action.

ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91(@foreverranger91)
04/02/2020 7:37 pm

This writing project isn’t going as smoothly as I want it to.

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
04/02/2020 7:36 pm

zulu trader
zulu trader(@zulu-trader)
04/02/2020 7:29 pm

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ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91(@foreverranger91)
04/02/2020 6:03 pm

Hill is on another level as a Madden player.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
04/02/2020 6:09 pm

Just hope the way I hear he trash-talked The Landlord doesn’t turn into anything lasting between them.

ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91(@foreverranger91)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/02/2020 6:10 pm

Shit happens. I am sure HB is over it.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
04/02/2020 6:13 pm

That’s my working presumption, certainly. I’m just hoping this ain’t an outlier of some sort.

Nasrani
Nasrani(@nasrani)
04/02/2020 5:51 pm

Underrated psychedelic fuzz-rock from 1972. Only a handful of these albums were ever pressed, and then they quickly went out of print. A copy can fetch over 2000 dollars on eBay.

Definitely worth a listen.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  Nasrani
04/02/2020 6:17 pm

Had what passed for having a friend when i was a kid and he was the one who got me into The Beatles. One day he showed me a single he’d scored from a rummage sale or used record shop: The label read “Help!” from the movie Eight Arms to Hold You. I wonder whatever became of it, pretty rare find.

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