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SNF: Colts Vs 49ers Open Thread

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A thread to discuss the game

Can Carson Wentz remain hot against San Francisco?

Who are you picking to win?

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WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
10/24/2021 9:26 pm

the underthrown deep ball has to be figured out, its impossible to not interfere on that

jleach7
jleach7(@jleach7)
10/24/2021 9:17 pm

Call me weird but i love watching sloppy low scoring games like this, guess I’m just a football nut lol

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
Reply to  jleach7
10/24/2021 9:25 pm

it can kinda suck at the stadium tho

jleach7
jleach7(@jleach7)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 9:31 pm

I agree, have you been to any away stadiums? iv only been to the texans stadium besides arrowhead

KC Dude (A.K.A Zif)
Reply to  jleach7
10/24/2021 9:33 pm

Been to San Diego when they were still there.

jleach7
jleach7(@jleach7)
Reply to  KC Dude (A.K.A Zif)
10/24/2021 9:35 pm

Id love to go Lambeau Field one day, its on my bucket list

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
Reply to  jleach7
10/24/2021 9:35 pm

been to a few hog games here in fayetteville and a few in little rock years ago, but no other nfl stadiums

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed(@severely-concussed)
Reply to  jleach7
10/24/2021 9:36 pm

I saw the Chiefs play at the old Cowboys Stadium.

And I went to the NFL draft at the new Cowboys stadium, but a lot of it was blocked off so it didn’t feel very grand.

jleach7
jleach7(@jleach7)
Reply to  Severely Concussed
10/24/2021 9:40 pm

Id love to go to the draft in KC in 2023

Last edited 1 month ago by jleach7
Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed(@severely-concussed)
Reply to  jleach7
10/24/2021 9:44 pm

I will go because it is in KC, but honestly, the live event is pretty underwhelming.

jleach7
jleach7(@jleach7)
10/24/2021 9:13 pm

What a horrible challenge

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
10/24/2021 9:11 pm

he threw the flag, thats a TO. you cant do that then change your mind. not sure what they thought they saw that was worth even thinking about challenging

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
10/24/2021 8:43 pm
WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
10/24/2021 9:10 pm

i thought that would be much more violent

Doughboy66
Doughboy66(@doughboy66)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 9:12 pm

If there was more fuel there would be. There is a video out there were they poured liquid o2 in a Charcoal bbq. Bigger poof

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
10/24/2021 8:36 pm

I am so fucking out of here.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 8:38 pm

adios amigo

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
10/24/2021 8:23 pm

thats BS, thats a sfety, he kicked the ball into the end zone

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 8:24 pm

that thing was dying, if it was still moving forward it wouldnt have hit his foot

KC Dude (A.K.A Zif)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 8:24 pm

Incidental contact.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
10/24/2021 8:22 pm

its hard to see with rain pounding in your eyes, thats not an easy catch in the weather

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
10/24/2021 8:14 pm

dee ford missed a sack, where have i seen that before?

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
10/24/2021 8:06 pm

What the heck was the thought process on that one?

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
10/24/2021 8:05 pm

What in the actual fuck was that?

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
10/24/2021 7:56 pm

To expand – Here is the defense that I would put out there to start the next game
Wharton, Saunders, Nnadi, Danna
Bolton, Crazy Gay
Ward, Fenton, Sneed, Mathieu, Thornhill

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
10/24/2021 7:45 pm

To the point below about the game plan – The Titans had a simple one – run Derrick Henry and take advantage of the opportunities that appear when you commit eight men to the box. This year – teams play two deep to neutralize Hill and mug Kelce as much as possible to take him out of the game – how are we taking advantage of the other team focusing so much on our top tier players.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 7:48 pm

I was glad Kelce let the refs have it today, also glad he didnt get flagged for it, but he has been getting held and grabbed every single play and they never call anything. Tony G had the same trouble here, but remarkably, not so much in Atlanta

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 7:51 pm

We need some emotion there – I for one would not have been upset had he got upset enough to be tossed out.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief(@sckschief)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 7:55 pm

Teams have been playing soft, two-high looks for years now. Odd that KC has no answers. No running game is really hurting them.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  SCKSChief
10/24/2021 7:58 pm

Hunt – yes. D. Williams – yes. CEH – MEH. Williams – no. We might get some yards but teams have no fear that CEH or Williams will take one to the house.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
10/24/2021 7:43 pm

BTW, Fuck Dee Ford

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 7:46 pm

Frank Clark for Dee Ford? Yes or No

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 7:48 pm

fuck no, unless they both go to the Raiders

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
10/24/2021 7:40 pm

Wharton, Saunders, Nnadi, Danna – those would be my starters moving forward. Hustle and earn a paycheck. When Jones gets real pissed about not starting, put him in and let him take out his anger on the OG. Clark can be the pass rush specialist.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 7:45 pm

what about Clarks play suggests he specializes in anything other than offsides?

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 7:46 pm

At least it takes him out of the starting lineup.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
10/24/2021 7:34 pm

great, its gonna be a snoozer toniight too, what a shitty day of football. couple decently competetive games, but mostly all shitty

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
10/24/2021 7:29 pm

I think our defense is playing in the nightcap too

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 7:34 pm

They need the practice.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 7:35 pm

it doesnt seem to be helping

SCKSChief
SCKSChief(@sckschief)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 7:36 pm

It’s time to end the CJ95 at EDGE experiment. Problem is there isn’t ONE good DE on the whole roster. Veach might get some fire under his ass this year and it would be well deserved.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief(@sckschief)
10/24/2021 7:28 pm

What has to happen for the Chiefs to have an actual running game with an actual running back? I think we are now seeing why no one has hired Bieniemy.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  SCKSChief
10/24/2021 7:33 pm

Hard to tell without being in the loop who has more responsibility for this quagmire – Reid or Bienemy. Too often we are calling plays that play into our weaknesses rather than emphasizing our strengths.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief(@sckschief)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 7:36 pm

I don’t even know what they are doing anymore. It’s like they aren’t running route concepts that work cohesively to put defenses in conflict. It’s like they are doing the “run to space” offense again…which didn’t work last time either.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  SCKSChief
10/24/2021 7:38 pm

Saw a couple of overhead shots in which every receiver was covered – no one was able to get free. Someone needs to step up here.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 7:48 pm

I have a possible answer, but it’s one that nobody gives much credence to, so why bother?

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
10/24/2021 7:50 pm

And what would that possible answer be?

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 7:59 pm

Once again, the OL hasn’t jelled yet. How long will that take? No idea, but I do know that those who think “It should’ve happened by now!” are making excuses so they can forward their pet theories.

It may not be Sorensen and Hardman taking all the blame today, but folks are still looking for that “one person” to blame everything on. The problem that fixing the blame on a person never fixes the problem unless that one person really was causing it. They’re just indulging in biases and flat-out guessing. That’s why I’ve gotten to not spending much time in game threads, all the blame and recriminations against our own players by those who don’t know what the real problems are. No, thanks, it’s hard enough to keep my outlook non-negative as it is, swimming in a lake of negativity…

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
10/24/2021 8:06 pm

I agree with your first point to a certain extent. It is a long process for an OL to jell. However, there is a pattern for both of our offensive tackles – getting beat on the edge. That is a one on one assignment and has nothing to do with how connected they are to their teammates. Both Niang and Brown might improve but it is killing us in the meanwhile. On the other hand, Smith had a bad game today but that will happen with young linemen. He does not have a pattern of being abused like he was today.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 8:10 pm

theres certain matchups that are just onesided. Fisher against Watt, for example. for whatever reason, Fish had that guys number. Im not worried about smith, games like today happen, we have had our share of them this year, but theres still a long season and lots of shit changes

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 8:11 pm

Miller v Schwartz

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 8:14 pm

I am still optimistic about our line but our tackles have to improve or we better become a power running team sans a power back. Yes, you can learn on the fly but when you put our quarterback’s life in danger – we need to make some sort of move.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 8:17 pm

I thought Remmers started today, so that takes Niang right out of the blame game on this one. But it’s more than just them, because Mahomes has to settle in with them, and in case you haven’t noticed, he’s also struggled to this point. Why? The simplest explanation at this point is lack of coordination with the OL.

Early on the D plus Hardman took all the blame, but that wasn’t the case today, the O hung them out to dry.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
10/24/2021 8:19 pm

It was Remmers – I was using Niang as an example since he was pulled due to struggles with pass protection.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 8:25 pm

Did Reid or EB say that’s why Remmers has taken over, or are you inferring it? If it was stated as such, disregard the following. My thought there is that Remmers was put in not only to give Niang a time to work on whatever things, but also (and this is key) to put a veteran next to Smith, probably to help stabilize the OL.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
10/24/2021 8:21 pm

Mahomes “struggles” start with tackles who performed poorly today, continued with receivers who were not getting open, and hamstrung by a defense that let Tennessee hang 27 points on them in the first half.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 8:53 pm

Did the offense crack the 100 yards gained mark in the 1st half? As for struggling, he’s never had to struggle with learning to coordinate a scratch-built OL, so past performance doesn’t let him off the hook here.

Look, I get it, we all love Pat, and I’m certainly not blaming him. Why is it that when I point out struggles that are symptoms of a systemic problem, folks act like I’m blaming someone. Whatever is wrong, it’s not something they can fix fast enough to please fans. Replacing a single player would do that, if that player were the actual cause, so finger-pointing is demanding a quick fix. Unfortunately, if the problems have been subject to that sort of quick fix, don’t you think that they’d have already done whatever?

Where’s HL Mencken when I need him?

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
10/24/2021 8:09 pm

You can blame one person on a play or a series of plays – Brown being abused by a speed rusher – and that is fair. One has to look at the totality of their work to judge whether or not they should be replaced. Mahomes can throw a hundred interceptions – and I can judge each one bad – but he has a track record of being the man. This is the NFL – we cannot wait too long to see improvement or the season is over.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 8:15 pm

So the answer is to replace people at random with newbies and then find the next person to blame, when that brilliant plan fails to succeed? Not your plan, of course, but you’re aiming headlong into a fallacy that’s very common these days, “We must do something! This is something. We must do that!”. In electronics, that was called “shotgunning” while I worked it, and mostly what it does is waste time and parts while flailing aimlessly.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
10/24/2021 8:16 pm

Dirty Dan gets beat playing deep – replaced with Thornhill and we have seen better results.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 8:21 pm

That’s because he is what he is at this point, but Juan can’t do everything that Dan does, he’s more specialized. So in his specialty, dedicated safety, he looks better, duh.

However, this is the era of the Nickel being basically everyone’s true base defense, so that means you need some generalists on the team, as well.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
10/24/2021 8:22 pm

Duh??????

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 9:06 pm

Dan’s a hybrid, S/LB combo. He’s also pretty good in that role, and I suspect that players who can fill all the roles he does are hard to come by. In short, he’s a valuable asset who helps make the team better – and too many fans hate him being on our team because he’s not the specialists he constantly gets statistically judged against.

But I’m calling it a night on these discussions, since they just get met by pushback. As I said initially, why bother? All talking it over did was lower my morale, and I have extremely little of that left, these days.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
10/24/2021 8:18 pm

Now, we may not have the player to replace Brown and – this is where I blame the coaches – adjust what you are doing to help him out. Put a friggin tackle next to him if you have to.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon(@waywerdson)
10/24/2021 7:22 pm

I love bad weather games

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  WaywerdSon
10/24/2021 7:26 pm

Back when I was coaching, I loved bad weather games. Made it feel like real football.

Snafu
Snafu(@snafu)
10/24/2021 7:20 pm

Luckily, Kyle Long will be healthy again and everything will be fixed.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Snafu
10/24/2021 7:21 pm

Remmers had a bad game but did decent last year. Niang has a pretty high ceiling but struggled in pass protection. Long could be the man to bring that unit forward.

Snafu
Snafu(@snafu)
Reply to  EAFOX
10/24/2021 7:23 pm

Couldn’t hurt, but I’m not counting on it.

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