Lockdown of the Town Part VI

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Welcome back to another installment of Lockdown of the Town, where we take a look at the latest COVID-19 updates and whatever sports news we can find to get us through the day. Hopefully, there won’t be too many more of these Lockdown editions left, but until then, let’s dive in!

That’s What Speed Do

With the draft being a few days from now, it’s likely you’ve seen countless mock drafts on your timeline, each one with its own reasoning for taking a certain need over another. The most common theme I’ve seen is taking a linebacker or secondary piece in the first or second round, which I agree with in most cases. But what about adding more speed to an already lethal offense?

According to a rumor reported by Peter King of NBC Sports, the Chiefs could possibly plan to trade up for Alabama speed threat Henry Ruggs if he falls into 20’s in the first round.

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Ruggs is an exciting prospect that led all players in the NFL Combine with a 4.27 40-yard dash time. We’ve also seen what Andy Reid can do with speed in this lineup with the recent addition of Mecole Hardman. King had Ruggs going to the Philadelphia Eagles at No.21 in his most recent mock draft, so there is a possibility that the Chiefs jump up to 20 to take him off the board.

Weekly Debate Fire Starter

As workers and small business owners feel the pressure with extended stay-at-home orders across the country, a growing protest movement against such orders has taken place.

The protest against the very orders made to help slow the spread of the virus took place near the Country Club Plaza. Approximately 75 to 100 people attended a rally demanding that the orders be lifted. These followed much larger rallies earlier this week in places such as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

It’s understandable that the isolation from others and financial strain being put on the working class has caused many to become unraveled. Of course there are the fringe lunatics who believe it’s either a hoax or nothing more than the flu.

Whatever the reason may be, in my opinion, calling for orders to be completely lifted at this time seems selfish and irresponsible. We have yet to flatten the curve of infected patients in this country and we still don’t know who may have the virus considering the 14-day incubation period.

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Opening all public places and businesses would only cause yet another spike in an already tragic death toll of Americans. I’m sure many are stressing about their future whether it be with jobs or the economy, but to do this now is like fumbling the ball at the two yard-line. We need to keep our wits about this and think about the vulnerable in this country!

What are your thoughts? Should we continue the stay at home order? Let us know in the comments. And as always, stay safe out there Chiefs Kingdom!

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MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer
04/21/2020 4:58 pm

One more note that I had still trying to look at this neutrally but admitting that I do not like the idea of this lockdown. Countries like Taiwan and Sweden who have not had a lockdown do not seem to be having a significantly different outcome than we are or other countries who have. They have fewer deaths per million population and fewer cases per million population than the US their curve is not going up any steeper than the US. So just looking at it from a if your locked down or not locked down and trying to claim that a lockdown is saving lives and flattening the curve doesn’t seem so true.

But hey somebody said it is saving lives and if I don’t believe that that I am greedy and I’m just thinking about rich people making more money. I’m not directing this at anyone in particular but I’ve been told that if I think the shutdown is a bad idea then I think money is more important than human lives. Just because the numbers don’t say that it saves human lives that doesn’t mean anything I’m just being irrational and not paying attention to what everybody’s telling me instead I’m actually trying to look and see if there’s anything other than what the loudest people are screaming at everyone.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  MidKan Chiefs Lifer
04/21/2020 5:44 pm

trying to claim that a lockdown is saving lives and flattening the curve doesn’t seem so true

How could it NOT be true that the lock-down is saving lives and flattening the curve?!?

Support our front line life savers!!!

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  MasterChief
04/21/2020 6:28 pm

Yeah, it does help. How much depends on the place, the health care capacity compared to number of patients.

I remember just a few weeks ago, that nuance was actually part of the message. But unfortunately like with so many things lately, the message is devolving into a stupidly simple all-in. It’s getting to be so you’re either totally Team Lockdown or totally Team No Lockdown, with nothing in between. Because there’s way too many people who won’t try to think.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Berserker
04/21/2020 7:26 pm

Yeah sure, but that has to be well thought out and carefully planned. Just letting ‘er rip is a dangerous game. I believe our economy will adjust and recover IF we don’t end up having a second wave lock-down. But hey, I’m sure a few dipshits will get us there no matter what the rest of us do to avoid it.

This should say “Give me Liberty AND give others death” and “Live free and make others die”.comment image

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer
Reply to  MasterChief
04/21/2020 11:06 pm

Ok I guess the numbers that dont support your claims are false.? The numbers, graphs, etc are right there on worldometer. The few countries that haven’t locked down are not any worse than any others. If the shutdowns / lockdowns are flattening the curve then why do they have the same curve and lower numbers per capita? It would seem that your question has been answered with what seems to be fact. But in this day in age people are not worries about those it’s all about repeating themselves and asking for more proof or flat ass denying any facts given to them and insisting themselves to be correct.
Well how bout a little turn about? Where is any graph showing a slowdown since the start of lockdowns? We are over a month in with a disease that runs its course in 2 weeks to a month. If a lockdown was working the numbers should start to slow after week 2 I would think. But that does not seem to be happening.

Yet the lockdowns are working and we must stay the course… Well I’d at least like to see some proof that this is working other than someone saying it is. Show me the numbers to prove it.

Athens Chiefs fan
Athens Chiefs fan
Reply to  MidKan Chiefs Lifer
04/22/2020 8:20 am

Taiwan had taken measures from previous years because they already had problems with another virus coming from China, so they were well prepared for this one. Sweden is not so bad according to numbers because a lot of people are in self quarantine and the goverment is counting only deaths at the hospitals.

KCChef
KCChef
04/21/2020 1:21 pm

I just saw a Great Protest Placard ( IMHO ) Held up by a masked First Responder :

” Protect The Front Line
Not The Bottom Line ”

: )

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer
04/21/2020 12:53 pm

Influenza deaths this year in the US according to the CDC. Between 24000 and 62000 and we didnt get daily updates to scare the shit out of everyone why not? The shut downs would have slowed down the influenza too right? At least for the last part of the flu season.

I dont think this is a hoax, and it is worse than influenza (at least until they figure it out, initially several different strains of the flu had a much higher mortality rate than the covid 19). I do think constant coverage has led to over reaction. I haven’t heard a word this year about the influenza, but the death toll has up to this point been in the same realm as covid 19.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  MidKan Chiefs Lifer
04/21/2020 1:10 pm

The nonstop coverage is because New York City has been hit hard and that is where all the media is based. They seem to forget not all of America is like New York City.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/21/2020 2:51 pm

Hope you’re right, because some states in the south are gonna start opening things up even though their infection rate is still on the rise. If this experiment goes south, we’re gonna be starting over. If you think the economy is bad now, if we have to start over, we will definitely be going into a depression (instead of maybe).

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/21/2020 3:10 pm

Not necessarily. Every day gets us a day closer to treatments (like a new Tamiflu) and vaccines. So If we do have to “start over” on a shutdown after a few weeks, then that would be a few weeks closer to covid-19 being just another strain of flu. Time is on our side.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Berserker
04/21/2020 3:20 pm

What I’ve head is that the scientist want the rate of infections on the decrease before any region starts openings up. I haven’t heard your opinion from any doctor or scientist. Like I said though, I hope you guys are right for all of our sakes. Personally, I think they’re using these states in the south as an experiment.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/21/2020 3:28 pm

Which opinion are you calling “my” opinion? That we will have treatments and vaccines eventually?

….

Have you heard any doctor or scientist say that we WON’T have treatments and vaccines for this, ever?

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Berserker
04/21/2020 3:29 pm

I mean…what do you think is the entire point of this shutdown? It’s not a cure itself. It’s a delaying tactic.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Berserker
04/21/2020 4:12 pm

Come on, I replied to this and now it’s gone? Great.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/21/2020 4:18 pm

?

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/21/2020 4:19 pm

Maybe “they” are out to get you! 🙂

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/21/2020 4:20 pm

Let me try again. I know it’s a delay tactic, that’s flipping obvious. Define “a few weeks”. “Time is on our side”? Who are you, Mick Jagger? The people with time on their side are the ones that survive, the ones that don’t not so much. If some regions open up early and the death rate jumps, what’s an acceptable loss for you? How many people are you willing to sacrifice to go against what the scientists recommend?

Maybe “they” are out to get you! 🙂

Not they, just you. 🙂

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/21/2020 4:36 pm

“The scientists say,” as if they all say the same thing, and they’re God.

Here’s a news flash for you – Nobody knows THE right answer. Nobody.

Your need to latch onto and BELIEVE in one answer, and make yourself feel better by trying to shout down anybody who doesn’t totally buy in to the answer you happen to believe in – that’s exactly the very worst part of religion.

That’s right, religion. You’re being religious, only without any of the redeeming qualities that most religions have. You’re just in it for the crutch to lean on and beat other people over the head with.

More people are going to get hurt and die. Nobody knows how many. We just need to try our best to figure out the right answer as we go along. That includes trying some answers that might be wrong along the way, like every other place that’s gotten this virus before us and have opened back up partially and, inevitably, have seen a new rise in cases after they did.

Because there’s no perfect answer. We won’t know the answer until after we’ve tried to find it. Nobody is going to just tell us the answer, not God, not “the scientists,” nobody. We’re going to be responsible for figuring this out ourselves. If you can’t handle that, well, I guess just hide and wait for better people to figure things out for you.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Berserker
04/21/2020 4:54 pm

Nobody wants this over more than me. I’m not trying to be self-righteous, just believe in erroring on the side of caution. People (really smart people) like Fauci and Birx have both said they’re not sure what they’re dealing with yet. When you were in the military, didn’t you want as much information as possible on your enemy before you attacked? If you were under attack, didn’t you take orders from the guys who say the big picture? These scientist might be wrong, and maybe everything will be fine if those states in the south open up. I honestly and truly hope so. I don’t want to see this blow up in our face. Not a coward. I’m 63 years old, lived a decent life. Not afraid for myself, but I am afraid for those that will die (and have) of this. Choking to death doesn’t sound like a whole lot of fun to me. Would rather get hit by a bus. 🙂

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/21/2020 5:57 pm

Military is not the right example for your point, there. I probably get most of my independent streak from my military experience. Contrary to popular non-military opinion, they don’t try to train drones. They try to train soldiers to Accomplish The Mission on their own, because clear orders are often not available. The only time you can actually count on getting good, clear orders, is when there’s not an emergency happening. I’m with you about erring on the side of caution, I like erring on the side of caution. But I don’t think anybody actually knows where that side is right now. Poverty kills people, with disease as well as in other ways. Covid-19 hits the poor worse than the rich, just like every other disease. When people don’t work, then people don’t pay taxes. The government is printing money that our grandkids will have to work off for us. Maybe our grandkids can work for Chinese companies, I’ve heard some of them have been opening back up. Of all the places that got this virus before the U.S., I haven’t heard of one that has re-opened businesses and NOT gotten a new rise in cases. But yet they try to partially re-open anyway. That’s not because they are all stupid and ignoring “the scientists.” I have heard Gottlieb and Fauci and other members of “the scientists” speculate about the right way to gradually re-open, before there’s a cure or vaccine. They’re not totally sure about the exact right way to do it, but they know we can’t afford to all just sit and wait. I am working and trying to support local businesses, probably shopping and buying more locally than I did before Covid-19. I try to avoid elders and masked-up people when I’m out. I donated my refund to Second Harvest. I had some new 3M dust masks in my garage, I sprayed the packages with lysol and left them on my front porch for my parents to pick up. I found a gaiter on Amazon for myself. “What’s an acceptable loss?” Fuck you, and fuck anybody who’s… Read more »

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Berserker
04/21/2020 6:27 pm

Gettin a little personal aren’t ya? I like you but you’re not my type. How is it a dumbass question after what we’ve seen happen in NY? Something like that isn’t happening in Podunk Iowa, but it sure as hell could happen in Chicago or San Francisco if we’re not careful. Concerning poverty, maybe we shouldn’t be shipping our jobs overseas. Then not taxing the companies that do so. Then letting these same companies pollute the environment, which always effects the poor. Deregulation is what caused this fricking virus! Maybe if China cared more about people than commerce (just like the US) we wouldn’t be in this BS to begin with.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/21/2020 6:53 pm

Yes. It’s a dumbass question because everybody knows there’s no answer. Because it’s a childish Groucho Marx question. Because you, like a sucker, copied it from some asshole whose only reason for asking it was to get your click. Because the only reason to ask it is to piss people off. So congrats, you pissed me off.

The west coast hasn’t been as bad partly because Trump cut off travel from China before he cut off travel from Europe. I remember when cases started popping up on the east coast, after China travel was cut off but before Europe was, they were saying 70% of those new cases were being traced back to travelers coming in from Europe. So, that’s why the same people who called Trump too reactionary for cutting off China so soon, are now criticizing him for not being reactionary enough.

I agree with you about restrictions on off-shoring. Maybe those will happen after this. But I was talking about ways to help the economy now, not next year.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Berserker
04/21/2020 7:21 pm

It’s not a question asked expecting an answer. It’s asked to encourage self-examination. All you did and always do is flip the intent back at me. Do you really think I give a crud about clicks. I constantly slam trump in trump country. That’s not conducive to clicks. In fact, I’m sure some here wish I would disappear. We do need to get back to work, need the private sector generating income. Maybe an infrastructure package? The scary part is that WWII is what got the us out of the depression, hopefully there’s not a repeat.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/21/2020 8:18 pm

It’s not being asked to encourage self-examination. It’s being asked to DIScourage self-examination. You can tell, because the follow-up from the assholes who ask it is always some version of “just do what The Scientists say.”

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Berserker
04/21/2020 8:22 pm

Ok Berserker, don’t want to fight with you. Sorry if I offended. Hope we all get through this safely.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
04/21/2020 12:09 pm

Nobody likes this. Nobody!!! It’s putting me out of business, so I get the fear and frustration. We must finish this fight, now is not the time to back-off. Saw a picture of a healthcare worker standing in the way of line of cars protesting, to me that sums it up. These people are putting their lives on the line to help infected people, and we have yahoos whining about the inconvenience while hiding behind an American flag. Nothing is more unpatriotic than not having the backs of the people at the frontline (reminds me of Vietnam). All of you fake patriots out there, get a f…..g clue.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  probablyamistake
04/21/2020 3:46 pm

Beautiful

MasterChief
MasterChief
04/21/2020 12:00 pm

The lock-down is the best strategy available. If we pull out now, we’ll be wasting the last month or so while entering a 2nd, bigger wave. I think it would be a lot worse than if we just stick to what we’re doing and see this thing through.

Half-way through any big trip, the kids in the back will almost certainly be asking if we’re there yet. NO! We’re not there yet, kids! We’ve still got a ways to go. Hang in there!

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  MasterChief
04/21/2020 3:13 pm

Sometimes you gotta stop to pee, though. You still get to where you’re going, though. And you feel a lot better when you arrive.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
04/21/2020 7:56 am

This is playing out almost exactly like I thought it would. The longer the government mandates people to stay at home, the more unrest will come to the forefront.

My biggest issue is with the governor of Michigan. When she told people they couldn’t travel to their 2nd dwelling upstate, I figured there would be major protests. The government issues business licenses so they can mandate a business close down for public safety, but for them to stop people from living on their properties that citizens pay taxes on is overreaching.

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