Into The Afternight: Our 3rd Shift O/T

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If you’re still up and want to talk Chiefs, or just hang with fellow citizens of the Kingdom, this is the place.

There’s gold in them thar…beaches?

Hey, if you want to find the gold, you dig where it is, not where you want it to be.

With that, time’s yours.

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ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 10:00 pm

Best breakfast dish and go. For my money it has to be a good French toast.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 10:02 pm

yes and hashbrowns

ForeverRanger91
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:05 pm

My very close second is biscuits and gravy, namely from Englewood Cafe here in Independence.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 10:07 pm

I want to pen up a breakfast joint and serve poutine. Blow peoples minds

larch
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/16/2022 10:06 am

You just gave me an idea… Thanks.

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 10:03 pm

The best that I ever had made was the Bananas Foster pancakes from La Pepe’s in KC. Holy lord they were so good and probably caused my diabetes

upamtn
Reply to  Doughboy66
05/15/2022 10:09 pm

ok, that sounds decadent

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 10:16 pm

It was fantastic, wasnt on the menu but my buddy knew to order it, we were there wit bu the wives. Finished off flambeed table side right before serving. That was 20 years ago and I still want to have it again

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 10:05 pm

Breakfast KY hot brown. Biscuits covered with eggs, gravy, and bacon.

ForeverRanger91
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 10:13 pm

Not big on eggs but the rest sounds amazing

Maw423
Maw423
05/15/2022 9:59 pm

I think it’s time for bed before I confuse my self in a half asleep state and end up captured in Up and Pomp’s camp hahaha. Night y’all. And thank you for a mostly reasonable and civil discussion.

upamtn
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 10:08 pm

sleep well, don’t make too many mistakes 😉

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 10:29 pm

Appreciate the discussion, understanding is the start

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
05/15/2022 9:45 pm

The lunar eclipse has started, probably that damn Tucker causing it

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  Doughboy66
05/15/2022 9:50 pm

The bastard!!

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:54 pm

LOL!

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Doughboy66
05/15/2022 9:55 pm

11:10 here

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:59 pm

Supposed to be total at 10:30 here in the ol 816

upamtn
Reply to  Doughboy66
05/15/2022 10:10 pm

I gots clouds /sigh

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 10:20 pm

You think that is tough? Trying living in a town which was one of the best places to see the solar eclipse and it was totally blacked out by black clouds

NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:17 pm

Ok. I’m out.
It’s getting circular, and I’m tired. Plus, I’m getting a pop-up that says I’m posting too quickly.
Good discussion, folks.
Civility is a good start.
Still annoyed about Ingram getting away.

pompano
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:32 pm

peace

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:38 pm

A pop up. Mine crashed lol

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:43 pm

I’m out too. Got to get the kids to bed. As a buddy of mine at work likes to say. Stay safe and look out for deer.

ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 9:05 pm

Probably the best wrestling theme used today that isn’t a licensed song.

kcfreak725
05/15/2022 8:09 pm

So with Ingram out, do we try to sign a FA for cheap? I know Clowney is still available. He’s not a home wrecker by any stretch, but he could provide depth and some juice at DE.

upamtn
Reply to  kcfreak725
05/15/2022 9:18 pm

meh, at this point maybe best to push the “youth movement” and save a few $$$ in case of injury later in the season, keep some flexibilty

love what Veach did in the draft, and THIS is how a team should reload EVERY year … having a boatload of picks NEXT year as well just makes it all so much better

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 9:24 pm

Agreed

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  kcfreak725
05/15/2022 10:56 pm

I like Suh and JPP. But I don’t know how we will replace the stud of Melvin Ingram on the DL

ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 8:03 pm

With all this ethnic cleansing related violence created by the likes of Tucker Carlson and his ilk how long until we start holding them accountable? They put the ideas into these clearly already deranged people’s heads that if people aren’t white then they deserve to die. Guilty by proxy as far as I am concerned.

pompano
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 8:17 pm

see a lot of “he hated Tucker, he said so”…not sure where it comes from or the context, but giving Tuck cover for things he has said echoed in the manifesto seems…odd

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:34 pm

Just because one shares the same fears and beliefs as an unstable person doesn’t mean that he’s inherently evil. Those people have those fears for a reason. There problem with both sides is that they refuse to acknowledge the fears of the other as reasonable, and are often condescending toward them. Have a fear of losing your job to illegals and you are racist. Have a fear of being killed at the store by a lunatic and you are a commie taking away my freedoms. The tensions in this country are scary for a lot of people. No one wants to empathize with the other view so everything stays tense and heated

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 8:36 pm

Constantly fanned by the media.

Leaf
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 8:38 pm

comment image

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 8:47 pm

yep

Leaf
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 8:17 pm

It is a tricky situation. Nothing he says is illegal. Nothing the other side says to stoke the fires of the left are either. Too much of a knee jerk reaction and it will do more harm than good.

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 8:49 pm

this no time to be reasonable! 😃

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 9:00 pm

no shit. How dare I 😂

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 8:23 pm

Does that apply to all the journalists, congressional reps, Harris, and Biden for fanning the flames and encouraging all the rioting violence?

hoosierchief
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 8:28 pm

I’ve never read anything he wrote. I guess I glance at the headlines and see that its an opinion piece that looks a but extreme, so I skip over it. I seem to hear his name come up a lot though. I’m assuming he’s a far right crazy? not representative of the rest of us conservative sorts.

Leaf
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 8:36 pm

Pretty much. Doesn’t help that Fox gives him a huge spotlight

upamtn
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 9:29 pm

and then blow it off by calling it “entertainment”

right then!

Leaf
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 9:41 pm

I’m all for taking all the opinion talking heads from all the news outlets. News should be news not “entertainment”. That’s what the chiefs are for.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 8:58 pm

what about all these killings related to abortion or against cops fueled by the left? And do we even know this was race related? Seems like a double standard and a leap of logic

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:27 pm

the Buffalo shooting absolutely was racially motivated … the guy wrote a flippin’ 180 page “manifesto”

not sure what “killings related to abortion” you’re referring to (and we’ve seen a lot of flat-out murders BY cops over the years as well, so there’s that)

bottom line, if one wants to prevent abortions one should consider sex education for all (mandatory) and available contraceptives

if you’re about “saving lives” it all works both ways (that’s how civilizations and societies are SUPPOSED to work: cooperation instead of fighting and divisiveness)

but that’s just, you know, like MY opinion …

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 9:32 pm

we !agree!

bottom line, if one wants to prevent abortions one should consider sex education for all (mandatory) and available contraceptives

And condoms for all and over the counter birth control. You forgot those

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/15/2022 9:21 pm

Slogans generally do not give way to substantive discussion

precisely why I hated the “Run It Back” in 2020 and hated “Take It Back” last season even more …

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 7:09 pm

Concert season is getting ready to go into high gear. Going to one Monday, Saturday, Sunday, and next Wednesday. Every time I think about slowing down, I get a reminder why I shouldn’t take tomorrow for granted.

I had two coworkers that retired in the past 2 years that have already developed serious medical issues that won’t allow them to enjoy their retirement years.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 7:11 pm

Who are you seeing? The last show I went to was Gary Newman (or was it Suffocation?) 4 years ago. I really miss going to shows

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:14 pm

Tomorrow: Eagles
Saturday: John Fogerty
Sunday: Collective Soul
Wednesday:Halestorm & Stone Temple Pilots with their new singer

upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 7:16 pm

nice

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 7:26 pm

Saw STP at Freakers ball back in 02(??) . One of the loudest bands I ever heard live. They were so loud that they drowned our Weiland’s megaphone

upamtn
05/15/2022 7:05 pm

wow, 1 dead and 4 injured at a Church in Cali … mostly Taiwanese, being investigated as possible “hate crime” but no other details (yet)

insanity, I tellya

https://apnews.com/article/religion-shootings-california-914ec2bfae85cbba41f857838824a567

upamtn
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 7:39 pm

and, while we’re at it … at least 1 dead and multiple injured at a flea market shooting in Texas

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/15/us/texas-flea-market-shooting/index.html

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 7:48 pm

,,,but constitutional carry (whatever that means) is the answer. More unveted people with guns will solve the gun violence issue…

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 7:49 pm

that’s the spirit!

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 7:53 pm

The thing I hate about debating gun control with people is that there’s way too much emotion tied up in it so it’s rarely a debate.

Last edited 1 month ago by Leaf
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 8:01 pm

It’s a tough one, for sure.
The other problem is one side thinks even TALKING about it is too much. Those are the ones who give people who handle guns correctly a bad name.
Personally, I’m for registration, tracking, and limits on numbers and types. And open carry is for cops.
Won’t happen, because Carlson et al who probably never touched one will bleat on about how the “feds” are going to use it to take the guns of those who have.

ForeverRanger91
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:04 pm

This is where I am at.

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:04 pm

The other sides not much for talk either, and that’s my point. One side gets waay too defensive because the other side is too heavy handed with how to talk with them so it’s always “it’s my way or the highway” on both sides.

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 8:10 pm

True, the extreme voices on either side use all the oxygen. That said, when one side almost universally rejects background checks where can a discussion start?

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:12 pm

The side calling for more laws generally doesn’t even know what laws are already on the books.

Last edited 1 month ago by Maw423
Leaf
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 8:21 pm

I see that a lot, and I understand. They are all about “if it’s broke the government should fix it.” Some times I are with that view, others not so much.

hoosierchief
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:21 pm

responsible people should be allowed to have guns to protect themselves from those that aren’t responsible. The problem is that one side want’s to have guns, the other side thinks no one should, so to give an inch, even if deep inside they don’t have a problem with it, is to lose ground. eventually those inches add up. If the anti gun people just said that all they were against was automatic weapons with 30 round clips, and they’d stop there, we’d all probably say yeh – we understand that. but they want no one but the crooks to have guns. They can’t even say its okay for cops to have them because they don’t want people to have cops to protect them either.

hoosierchief
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 8:22 pm

BTW – I don’t even own a pistol or an assault rifle. Just a couple shotguns and a .22, so I’m not a fanatic.

hoosierchief
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 8:23 pm

come to think of it, I’m not even sure if I have any ammo for the .22. Its gotten hard to come by.

pompano
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 8:39 pm

paid 2x normal for .380 APC 3 years ago. Now the firing pin broke, gotta get that fixed.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:46 pm

I know a guy….

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:11 pm

😃

upamtn
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 10:04 pm

not that a lot of folks don’t want cops protecting them, but a lot do want cops to stop beating to a pulp for being alive while black

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 10:06 pm

this is a very white, elitist, wealthy take.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:41 pm

ha

hoosierchief
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:38 pm

Heck, I think background checks are fine – the theory is solid. the problem is that the criminals don’t have any problem getting guns regardless of what the law is, so its in fact wasting time. So I again go to saying that we’d be better off putting our resources into getting criminals off the streets rather than back onto them.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 8:45 pm

Getting criminals off the street is only the beginning. Until the system changes from being retribution focused to rehabilitation focused it just begins the revolving door of creating repeat offenders.

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:02 pm

Rehabilitation is very expensive up front. How will you pay for that? For the record, I basically agree with you. Punishment as it stands isn’t much help.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:10 pm

The prison system is a for profit private industry and there’s no profit in rehabilitating offenders. An empty prison is a simple drain on resources. Changing the focus of the system also includes society as a whole. Ex: You get out with a felony on your record and desire to go straight. You can’t rent a home in a decent area and nobody will hire you even if you could rent in a decent area. You go back to the friends you were determined to stay away from because you need money to eat. You fall back into the same traps and activities you were in and find yourself right back in jail.

upamtn
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 10:03 pm

agree and it needs to stop

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:10 pm

Well the privatization of prisons was a bad move (some contracts require 90% occupancy, so there is no incentive for rehab in the system as a whole)

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 9:12 pm

See….we can agree 😁

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:30 pm

most violent criminals can’t be rehabilated . Can’t fix stupid

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:53 pm

criminality does not equal stupidity.
w/o any attempt at rehabilitation, recidivism rates will be high by default, an indictment of the system rather than the person, imo

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 9:55 pm

Agreed

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 9:55 pm

some people are just bad people. I know you think everyone is virtuous (except MAGA voters) but it isn’t true

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:39 pm

you keep making assumptions w/o support.
Yes, some are irredeemable, have never said or implied otherwise, but please pretend that you know my morality

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:49 pm

I never said we could not
👍

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 9:51 pm

We might hit a record of agreement and disagreement in one thread tonight lol

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:54 pm

I love this bar!

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 10:02 pm

great, now where’s my drink?

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 8:22 pm

Probably truth in that, but here’s what I see in this “debate”.
Side A: Let’s limit this type of gun.
Side B: That infringes on my 2nd rights
Side A: How? You can own other guns, just not this one.
Side B: That infringes on my 2nd rights
Side A: Ok, how about just limit the number you can own?
Side B: That infringes on my 2nd rights
Side A: What if that number is something most of us would agree is crazy? Like, 20 guns. You can have more if you collect them, but anything more than 20 would need to be non-functional.
Side B: That infringes on my 2nd rights
Side A: Ok, you give us a number. What’s reasonable?
Side B: As many as I want

IOW, we don’t have conversations because only one side is even trying to come up with ideas to do anything. The other side is all about not giving anything up because of the belief that once they give one thing, the rest will fall.
Somewhere, we as a country have to realize this is NOT working as intended by the Framers. Side A CANNOT ban all gun ownership. Just can’t. Shouldn’t try (and I don’t think they really are). Side B CANNOT continue to refuse even the most basic, seemingly sensible ideas simply because of the 2nd.
I believe, with all my heart, that if the Framers could see what kind of violence happens in this country on an almost daily basis, they would limit who can own guns. It’s a problem they couldn’t have possibly imagined.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:31 pm

There was definitely zero violence in the world at the time…..

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 8:36 pm

…of the type we see almost everyday now, yes

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:37 pm

Lmao

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 8:43 pm

since the topic was gun violence of citizen against citizen, I look forward to a refutation and will concede.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:49 pm

There have been family against family fueds all over the country from the beginning. Gunfights over land and water rights. Over simple personal insults even. Violence amongst humans is nothing new, and fairly limited compared multiple times in history, and has nothing to do with they type of weapon used at the time of the violence.

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:25 pm

Feuds, sure, they have a basis. Gangs, sure. They have an expectation.
Random acts of violence against folks going about their lives, which is where we started…apples and oranges

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 8:37 pm

Are you suggesting there was ANYTHING like what we have now? Any examples of that?

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:42 pm

People needlessly killed for asinine reasons? Plenty. Guns were literally
accepted as a tool to settle civil disputes. Never mind eliminating the threat (real at times or perceived) from Native American tribes that would likely make today’s idea of hate crimes look like a tea party.

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 8:50 pm

Let’s never mind the NA “threat”, because genocide is probably not where we want this to go.
We had a big problem with dopes shooting each other over stolen cows and other perceived slights. I doubt that it happened anywhere near the levels it happens today, but let’s say it did.
Now, find me an example where one guy walked into a church/bar/flea market/school/synagogue/theater and shot 5-25 people. Found one? Good. Now find me twenty more.

pompano
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:29 pm

They ignore the randomness of innocents being gunned down today.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 9:33 pm

Is that like celebrating the innocents being killed in the womb?

upamtn
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 10:00 pm

so, that’s a “no” on Sex Ed and Contraceptives, I’m guessing …

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 10:03 pm

If you’re using contraceptives or other measures to safely and responsibly conduct your activities, you must likely wouldn’t need an abortion generally, so…..no….you swung and missed on that one 😉

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 10:14 pm

ectopic, miscarriage, stillborn (not actually born, but leaving it leads to sepsis), multiple defects, non-viable, combined is around 20% of pregnancies (maybe more)….it is healthcare

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 10:08 pm

who celebrates? It’s a hard, often heartbreaking decision.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 10:09 pm

why? If it isn’t alive and a tumor ( like the left says) it should be a very east decision

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:18 pm

the left does not have abortions, a mother does, and believe it or not conservative women have them too, so…

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 10:21 pm

Sure, but the left says it is no big deal…..so…..

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:24 pm

*they do not say that

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 10:28 pm

I’ve never heard anyone say shootings are no big deal it is what to do about them that is at issue. However, the left has made abortion into a sign sacrament of womanhood that should be celebrated

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:54 pm

what the fuck are you talking about? The right to ones reproductive decisions putting womanhood on level ground with manhood is celebrated, not the procedure.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:56 pm

Gotta have an abortion to vote dem? You are talking crazy

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:25 pm

the right says mass shootings are no big deal…so..

ohh, this is easy, do another one.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:21 pm

it’s also more accurately described as a parasite until viability outside the womb.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 10:30 pm

A baby has no viability outside the womb. If not properly taken care of, that baby will soon. die. It needs constant care/attention in order to survive. What are you talking about?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:49 pm

You play dumb well. You know exactly what viability is, if not, look it up

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 10:31 pm

Hmmm, my ex killed ours by abortion after I saw it on sanagram and had a couple of check ups told my family our good news, then she decided to kill it. Soooo, I have skin in this one. I think it is bullshit. Too easy of an out.Hope they do overturn it

pompano
Reply to  Doughboy66
05/15/2022 10:47 pm

That sucks, whatever the reason.

Doughboy66
Doughboy66
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 10:59 pm

It did, I am not even a totalitarian about it, I just think there should be checks and balances, and I dont think it should be funded by taxes

pompano
Reply to  Doughboy66
05/15/2022 11:14 pm

Well that’s a different arguement, and too late to dive into. Take care, check out the Sunday Funnies, I’m sure we’ll lock horns again. peace.

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:55 pm

The guy on our $10 bill was killed in a gun duel because that’s what idiots did at that time. People have always been violent. Guns didn’t make it a new thing when they were invented and they aren’t making it more so than what was 250 years ago.

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 9:00 pm

The types today are absolutely making it “more so”. That’s just numbers.
People will find a way to kill people, no matter what. If we got rid of all the guns tomorrow, nobody, not even the most militant anti-gun nutjob, thinks people will stop dying. It is the killing 5, 10, 20 at once that we could actually do something about, but we won’t.

upamtn
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:58 pm

this^^^

pompano
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:34 pm

I endorse this and will adopt it as my final response.

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:51 pm

I’m not saying that the right isn’t stubborn as fuck on the issue. My point is that the discussion is never as reasonable by side a. They scream that side b that they don’t need guns and they are just for killing for so long that side b shuts down. That’s why things never go anywhere. I assure you if the conversations were more reasonable, eventually you can have a discussion.

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 8:54 pm

I think so, too.
So Side A needs to shut the Zero Gun folks up, and Side B needs to shut the NRA up. The rest of us need to talk, then.

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:57 pm

I’m all for that.

pompano
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:18 pm

Now we’re talkin’

upamtn
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:57 pm

this … I remember when R & L used to actually work TOGETHER on a lot of things

/sigh

upamtn
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 9:56 pm

see? we’re having one … YAY!

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:52 pm

the problem is when the left starts regulating they just can’t stop. It won’t stop with ”common sense” gun laws

NovaChiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 8:56 pm

And there it is. A fear based on nothing more than fear. “The other side is all about not giving anything up because of the belief that once they give one thing, the rest will fall.”
You have no idea if “common sense” gun laws will help, because the right won’t even try.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:59 pm

when has the left ever stop regulating? It isn’t in their nature to stop. They are anti freedom all the way

NovaChiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:14 pm

This is exactly the kind of “discussion” that is the least helpful. Nothing but smoke blowing. If you really want to talk about it, fine. If you just want to bleat, respond to someone else.

pompano
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:17 pm

it’s what he does

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 9:55 pm

he IS rather good at it, you have to admit 😉

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:59 pm

Can you even tell us what gun laws are already in place? Background checks and mental health flags are already in place just about everywhere.

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:14 pm

“Just about”? That’s a problem, I guess.
I haven’t said anything specific. All this is general. We can’t even agree to GENERAL limits, can we? A type of gun. Numbers one person should own. Maybe not be able to carry into a bar. Anything?
Yes, there are a lot of gun laws on the books. Many don’t help. Happy? Now, how about moving a little towards my side.
THAT’S the problem. There is never any give. Issues like this, you (the Royal You, not you you) know what’s right and dammit that’s all there is to it.
It’s not that simple.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:16 pm

What’s an assault rifle?

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:18 pm

It’s a question with a point based in the answer you give. Not just to try and be an ass.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:30 pm

1. The first sentence in the “definition” makes it legally unavailable to the public without the highest of collector licenses.

2. Assault rifle is a ridiculous and fictitious title created to describe a boogeyman firearm and be applied to whatever the current fear laced narrative is focused on.

The only difference between an AR platform and a standard semiautomatic longrifle is it looks scary. They still can’t be fired any faster than the other.

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 10:03 pm

It’s a selective fire, magazine fed rifle of indeterminate caliber by original def.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 9:29 pm

I’m sorry, but when one party has a ”disinformation” czar (i.e, regulating true information that hurts the left) I just can’t trust them to enact real legislation to help solve a problem pertaining to constitutionally protected rights

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:53 pm

so … covfefe much?

Orangehead was the KING of disinformation …

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 9:58 pm

But Joe Biden isn’t?? Right. It eas been so bad that even CNN has to correct the record

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:59 pm

*an advisory board with no powers or authority.
They did a shitty job announcing it, and what it was/ was not

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:15 pm

same can be said re: privacy rollbacks, any side with leverage will probably abuse it, so the answer is to do nothing…?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 9:26 pm

We have background checks and waiting list. Felons can’t own anything except a musket, CA and NY have some of the strictest gun laws in the country and you saw what happened today. So is more legislation the answer

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:52 pm

you’re right … and there shouldn’t be legislation restricting abortion

so glad we could settle all these issues just like that… it’s a MIRACLE!

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 9:57 pm

where is abortion protected in the constitution because Life and guns are specifically mentioned

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:42 pm

Life is not, arms are.

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:50 pm

holy shit, are you … never mind, you are but that’s not the point

Clinton is Pres “they’re coming for your GUNS!”

Obama is Pres “they’re coming for your GUNS!”

Biden is Pres “they’re coming for your GUNS!”

the left can’t stop? shit, the right won’t allow a reasonable discussion, instead relying on fear mongering of the worst sort … read Federalist Paper (Madison, I think #88 or whatever) and HE didn’t want EVERYONE to have a gun … but oh yeah, let’s constantly and ever so conveniently overlook a VERY important clause in 2nd Amend, the part about a Well Regulated Militia (oh yeah!)

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 9:56 pm

the 1st words

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 8:03 pm

true for most subjects anymore.
Canadian gun laws seem to strike a balance, is there heated talk about them up there?
High ownership %, low public mass events (granted pop density is much lower, just curious)

Leaf
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:10 pm

See I disagree. I don’t know a ton about Canada’s laws, but what I do know I’m not keen on.

And I’m not surprised that the polite people up north aren’t much for heated debate. 😁

pompano
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 8:30 pm

f me, thought I was asking larch 😃

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:50 pm

WAAAY lower. Only 4 cities above 800 k as opposed to 17 in the US

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:02 pm

people are a problem…

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 9:04 pm
WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 8:52 pm

the fact is that the states that have the most stringent gun laws are also the states with the highest violent crime rates. It doesnt work. It will never work. Gun laws only serve to remove guns from the hands of the people you want to have access to firearms, leaving the people you dont want to have access as the only ones that do. Criminals dont buy guns at Bass Pro Shop. They damn sure aint registering any. Denying that right to otherwise law abiding citizens is simply unwarranted. NY has some of the most draconian gun laws in the country. Did exactly nothing to prevent what happened yesterday.

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/15/2022 9:48 pm

that was wrong, no matter the intention.

hoosierchief
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:06 pm

I have several guns laying around and none of them have jumped up and started killing people. maybe we should actually start putting criminals in jail. Hell, its already illegal for a felon to have a gun, but those laws don’t stop them.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 8:10 pm

I mean….it’s not like murder is illegal or anything. If we just write another law on the book everything will be fixed

hoosierchief
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 8:14 pm

And defund the police so no one will do anything about it, them blame it on the guns, cars or knives or whatever is being used. On a separate note, I think they really should get some sort of department set up with counselors or such that keep an eye on the social media and try to stop some of these nut cases before they go off. It seems like everything is after the fact.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 8:16 pm

It’s definitely reactionary. It also only stays in the news if it fits the proper narrative.

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 8:20 pm

it’s in the news because it happens every week

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:28 pm

Firearms are some of the fewest murder weapons annually and have been. It might be worth actually trying address the devaluing of human life rather than just blaming inanimate objects for all of our societal problems.

upamtn
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 9:42 pm

still,. USA has a HUGE firearms issue … like 20x more deaths per capita than ….wherever, it’s ridiculous

think about it and ask yourself one simple question: as a society, just America itself, do we really NEED this shit going on???

if the answer is “no” then why NOT work to limit … something (common sense laws, is that asking too much?)

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 9:47 pm

Do really think blaming that problem on an inanimate object is going to fix it? More people are killed by a knife every year then firearms. Shouldn’t we be more concerned with limiting knives? How many are killed on the road every day? Ban cars and go back to bicycles and walking shoes?

hoosierchief
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:32 pm

Every week there are also articles that tell about someone saving lives because they had a gun. depends on what you read and what you are looking for. Its the people that are using them that are the problem. You gotta look for the root cause. I can tell you, it probably wasn’t the gun.

pompano
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 9:00 pm

Home defense? no problem
Stopping an active public shooter? would appreciate a link for that.
Hell the OD cop was killed in Buffalo

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pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 9:42 pm

Ok, 11, dating to at least 2011.
Mass shooting in 2022 alone…
Month Mass shootings Total number dead
(including the shooters)

Total number wounded
(including the shooters)

Occurred at a school or university Occurred at a place of worship
January 41 59 128 0 0
February 43 40 174 1 1
March 52 47 217 0 0
April 66 75 271 0 0

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 9:48 pm

you asked me to provide a link so I did.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:36 pm

yes, and thank you.
11 examples

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 10:40 pm

ok, so where are these mass shootings and furthermore, what are those states gun laws?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 11:09 pm

that’s a deep dive, and immaterial to the argument,
you tell me.

pompano
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 8:27 pm

It’ been tried, but gun lobby $$ shoots it down, pun intended. also “red flag” laws are challenged in most places (the Buffalo guy had big red flags, and legally obtained multiple longarms).
“refund” the police, instead of APCs, pay social worker to respond to mental health incidents….

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 8:30 pm

Red flag laws are challenged because they require zero proof beyond an allegation with little recourse for the accused to refute it.

Leaf
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 8:40 pm

This here. Much like I alluded too during our abortion talks. Many of the problems with laws proposed by the left are that they are too vague and open ended so the paranoid right claims up.

upamtn
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 9:38 pm

to be fair, I don’t care if someone or someones are Pro Life and never want to get an abortion, I get it and that’s their right to NOT get one (even in cases of rape and incest etc etc whatever)

I do care if those so-called Pro Lifers (most of whom would never DREAM of even MODEST gun control) try to tell anyone ELSE what to do … there’s no TRUE “moral high ground” on either side … nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 9:40 pm

There’s a big difference in owning a firearm and choosing to end a life.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 9:42 pm

LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and the right to bear arms is actually mentioned in the constitution. Abortion is not

Now, I will NEVER tell anyone who they can’t have sex with (as long as they b are of legal age) or what substances they can ingest. Those are personal decisions that are no ones business PERIOD!

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:35 pm

LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the Dec of Independence

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 10:39 pm

sure , but most of the people who drafted the DOI drafted the constitution.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 11:06 pm

It was a statement of intent, not a governing document. SCOTUS does not use DOI for decisions.

Leaf
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 9:47 pm

This goes back to my point earlier about both sides not being able to see things from the other. For you it’s an easy choice because you don’t see it as a life yet. They do so it’s a much more muddied issue. It didn’t matter if they are right or wrong. My point is simply that until we can empathize with the others point and work from there, we aren’t going to make any progress with our hotly debated issues

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 9:48 pm

How many of those that don’t see a human fetus as a life would lose their mind if someone broke a sea turtle egg?

pompano
Reply to  Maw423
05/15/2022 8:57 pm

Fair enough, but most require proof (or a credible accusation) of threat to themselves or others (think 5150 laws), and guns are often returned, there are hearings and evaluations (can take months, granted)

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  hoosierchief
05/15/2022 8:47 pm

Former depressed incel here who grew up with 3 rifles (plus 2 handguns in a case) above my TV set as a kid. Middle school across the street, never shot anybody. Just sayin

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 8:43 pm

the texas thing wasnt a “shooting” it was a fight. everybody shot was directly involved in the altercation

upamtn
Reply to  WaywerdSon
05/15/2022 9:31 pm

yah, saw that later … nice that they kept the shit to themselves

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 8:45 pm

Are the shooters white? If not, it isn’t a hate crime

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 6:24 pm

Did I wake up in the 80s? Are the Dolphins suddenly competitive again?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Nasrani
05/15/2022 6:47 pm

They have a really good roster sans the QB.

Budahmon
Budahmon
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 6:25 pm

Well Malik Herring and Josh Kaindoh are happy campers.

Tyrone
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 6:32 pm

fuck

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 6:37 pm

Oh well. He was overrated anyway. You would have thought he was the second coming of DT by the way fans talk about him

NovaChiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 6:43 pm

He seriously added something to the D. Now, maybe we can replace that for less, but not sure what the fins gave him. If it was $5M a year, I’m going to be annoyed.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 6:46 pm

Did I miss something? I don’t recall 1 play he made all year

Leaf
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 6:54 pm

I don’t remember a specific play, but that’s not unusual for me as I don’t remember very many specific ones. But he was in the backfield a lot more than our other DE, so I don’t think he was that bad. But with that said, I don’t disagree that he’s not a huge loss. I liked the guy, and would have liked him back because I think he could have helped, but I never thought he was going to be world beater for us. Just quality depth

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 7:10 pm

Give me JPP or even Justin Houston over Ingrem. He is on his best day average at the position

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upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:15 pm

Houston?

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saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 7:25 pm

How is he a way worse option than Ingrem?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:28 pm

if I gotta ‘splain it … never mind, we simply disagree

I’ve never wanted Houston back, Ingram would have been nice depth for DL … Houston: old, too pricey and nothin’ left

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 7:30 pm

LOL….. He is the same age as Ingram and had twice the production

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:49 pm

ok, so if you think Ingram is useless, how can you possibly think that Houston has any value to the team?

Ingram at least was on the team this past season and knows the other players … Houston’s been gone awhile

just not seeing a valid reason to sign an old, pricey, over-the-hill LB

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 8:56 pm

Ingram is old too. I’m just saying no big loss an there are other DL as good (if not better) still out there

NovaChiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:01 pm

Are you serious?

You forgot about that play?
That’s your play. The attitude changed when he got there, too.

Ok, that came off pissier than I meant it. I must have watched that play 50 times after the game.

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saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 7:09 pm

1 sack, 5 QB hits, 6 hurries in 346 snaps according to PFR
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/I/IngrMe00.htm

Hardly earth shattering numbers. The love he gets ion the Kingdom literally blows my mind

NovaChiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:16 pm

Fine

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 7:28 pm

I’m not trying to be combative. I am just genuinely perplexed at the love he gets from this fanbase. Just honestly wondering of there something I missed

Leaf
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:49 pm

I’ll admit that there’s probably some romanticizing going on here, because it seemed often that him and Jones were the only ones on the d line that did anything last year. But I still believe he would have been solid depth. I think where the chiefs had him is about what he’s worth. While I liked the idea of having him, I’m glad BV didn’t chase him too hard. We played him perfectly, but he wanted the money more than a shot at a ring.

NovaChiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 8:04 pm

I don’t think you’re giving him credit for the change that happened when he got here. The eye test said we got better when he arrived. Plays like the one above didn’t happen prior to his arrival.
Maybe the stats aren’t earth shattering, but in team sports little contributions add up.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 8:57 pm

so where was he against an abysmal Ciny DL in the playoffs?

Leaf
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:43 pm

No one said he was going to be great, just was decent rotation and brought attitude that was sorely lacking last year prior to him coming to this team.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:56 pm

When Ingram showed up, we could move Jones back inside, and the whole D starting performing way better as a unit.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 7:16 pm

Bolton will likely be my next Chiefs jersey.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:01 pm

I think Karlaftis’ floor this year is what Ingram gave us last year. Energy and attitude. Hopefully Karlaftis exceeds that production, but we haven’t really taken a step back at that spot.

I was wanting Ingram back as a plus sub player that was insurance for injuries.

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 7:07 pm

I saw him as a solid role player and depth. A vet who gave juice to a team, and I’m betting that’s what the Fins think they are getting.

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 7:28 pm

I think the attitude will be brought by Karlaftis, Chenal and Co. That defense is going bring some violence this season.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:38 pm

A sack on his 1st play iirc. His value was putting CJ back in his proper position. Overall line play improved. stats don’t say it all

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
05/15/2022 7:39 pm

I like the eye test myself and I don’t recall him popping ever

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 7:52 pm

DL grades went up significantly after he came on board.
I agree he was not a world beater, but he added something we were lacking, wish he would have signed the tender, but not a huge loss either.

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 8:09 pm

For me, it was all about the attitude and toughness, which is good for young (and old) guys to see. Not much in the stat department. He leveled a running back at the line and everyone on the game day chat jumped on it. I think that stuff matters.

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NovaChiefs
Reply to  Snafu
05/15/2022 8:26 pm

Yep. Not really on the stat sheet, but it matters

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Snafu
05/15/2022 8:54 pm

where was all this attitude against the Bengels that allowed 20 sacks in the playoffs?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 10:07 pm

it got tossed out with The Greatest Mahomes Show on Earth in the second half

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
05/15/2022 10:08 pm

true 🙁

ForeverRanger91
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 8:10 pm

He had a pretty big game changing play against Denver.

Tyrone
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 8:27 pm

rekt

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 7:54 pm

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ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 5:31 pm

Ya know the USFL has been putting on some decent football, especially compared to the AAF and XFL.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/15/2022 5:48 pm

Game the other day with Ta’amu as QB He looked pretty good and it was a decent game

Last edited 1 month ago by zulu trader
Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/15/2022 5:36 pm

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Doesn’t look that dirty to me…

Last edited 1 month ago by Nasrani
pompano
Reply to  Nasrani
05/15/2022 5:53 pm

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upamtn
Reply to  Nasrani
05/15/2022 7:00 pm

it’s “The Tongue” you know …

zulu trader
zulu trader
05/15/2022 5:06 pm
Leaf
Reply to  zulu trader
05/15/2022 5:57 pm

I wonder what we get for Melvin

NovaChiefs
Reply to  Leaf
05/15/2022 6:10 pm

Usually a 3rd, isn’t it?
FUCK!

Leaf
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 6:15 pm

Sounds about right. I’d have liked Melvin back, but at least we got something for losing him

Tyrone
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/15/2022 6:39 pm

Highly doubt it. 3rd round compensation is given in return for guys who sign big contracts – think $15 million + per year for 4+ years.

The compensation for Ingram would more likely be a 6th.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Tyrone
05/15/2022 6:45 pm

He is a 10 year vested vet so the absolute most we would get is a 5th. He could sign a 10 year , 50 billion dollar guaranteed contract and have 60 sacks this season and all we could possibly get is a 5th. Also, it needs to be at least 3 million per to even get a 7thy. So the details mean a lot

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 4:36 pm

Dropping a grenade here.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 4:38 pm
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 4:39 pm

just saw that

Dolphins signed EDGE Melvin Ingram, formerly of the Chiefs. The Dolphins brought in Ingram for a visit before the draft, while the Chiefs applied the UFA tag to Ingram after it. No matter, the Dolphins took the leap on Ingram, who figures to rotate with Emmanuel Ogbah and Jaelan Phillips as well as play on passing downs.

Chiefs get a comp pick maybe

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  steve_chiefs
05/15/2022 6:39 pm

Needs to be for 3 million or more for the comp pick

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/15/2022 6:44 pm

It has to be more than the $4.4 million for 1 year we tendered him for.

I have a sneaking suspicion that we have a trade for a DE in the works. I would like a Robert Quinn trade mid-season. We would have a few weeks to develop the young guys then add a productive vet for the latter part of the season for half his salary.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 6:46 pm

I thought the tender was like 1,3 million. I know it was reportedly for 4.4 , but that was amended

probablyamistake
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Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/15/2022 5:03 pm

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