Into The Afternight: Our 3rd Shift O/T

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If you’re still up and want to talk Chiefs, or just hang with fellow citizens of the Kingdom, this is the place.

Busy night, which cheers me up a bit, so I’m going kinda casual this time.

After the tumult tonight, I can’t think of a song with a better message. Anyone here? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

With that, time’s yours.

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Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 10:28 am

Hm, sounds like they might be expecting to train Creed to snap right-handed.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 10:32 am

Mike LB was first position Andy mentioned for Bolton. Interesting.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 10:34 am

“Good group of O-linemen. LB class a bit thin.”

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 10:39 am

Ha, Orlando Brown told them to pick Creed!

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 10:42 am

Emphasizing Bolton’s leadership and the fact that he called plays. Sure seems like an heir to Hitchens, moreso than being destined for one of the outside LB spots.

EAFOX
05/01/2021 12:46 am

To continue the Berserk argument – inserting Matt Cassel in a Mahomes argument – that is a crime against humanity.

When you have a team, you build around your best player or players – in our case, Mahomes, Kelce then Hill. One can use the argument that

protection for Mahomes must be next as he is our most valuable asset
another receiver makes them more productive
a running game should be the priority to complement what they do
focus on the defense since our trio will get us points

A logical person could choose any of the above strategies – your preference for one does not make the others bad options,

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  EAFOX
05/01/2021 10:19 am

Nope, you don’t get it. It’s not about comparing Cassel to Mahomes. The point is that the arguments you’re leaning on, ALL of them, have been said for EVERY team and QB in living memory. Cassel, Mahomes, Smith, Montana, Kosar, Kelly, Jackson, Murray, Rodgers….all of them.

You’re just leaning on old cliches. Because you’ve heard these things said so often and so long, you assume that you’ll be right by repeating them.

You might very well end up being right about this particular situation. But it won’t be because you actually thought about it.

Berserker
Berserker
05/01/2021 12:43 am

Welp, I’m off. Got so caught up re-hashing old Matt Cassel era arguments that I skipped my customary post-Chiefs-pick sandwich. So I’m gonna have that and a big cup of strong coffee to enhance my calm, and bed.

G’night y’all.

EAFOX
Reply to  Berserker
05/01/2021 12:46 am

Have a good one

Jason from El Paso
Jason from El Paso
05/01/2021 12:04 am

Can we all agree that hiring DJ as a special projects coach to personally mentor Bolton is the right move? Also, I know we could use another WR although I’m still on the Hardman break out year train but man I like us getting a Center and I’ll be happy to upgrade from Hitchens in a year or two, hopefully.

EAFOX
Reply to  Jason from El Paso
05/01/2021 12:07 am

Hiring DJ would be awesome. For those who say we already have a center in Blythe, he signed a one year contract so the need was there. Hardman needs to have a big year or he is set to become a journeyman receiver.

Jason from El Paso
Jason from El Paso
Reply to  EAFOX
05/01/2021 12:13 am

Agreed on Hardman. I would love it if Creed becomes our long term center. I want to start seeing a younger line that can gel and be together for many years.

EAFOX
Reply to  Jason from El Paso
05/01/2021 12:16 am

Brown, Creed, Niang – three good young building blocks in my mind. AND guards are much easier to find than tackles and centers so barring the unforeseen we are looking good for the future.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 12:24 am

Yeah – look how a good line can change quickly – the Cowboys come to mind in recent history. But, as you said, we are off to a good start.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 12:33 am

Every plan can be a good one or a bad one.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 12:37 am

I like Veach’s approach better but he does have the advantage since he has Mahomes.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 12:18 am

True – great players do not always translate to great coaches. I can also envision the title, “How to beat BRAG in an argument – by Mrs. BRAG!!!”

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 12:36 am

I could be wrong but I don’t think she has to work that hard to win an argument.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 12:49 am

Last post – I envy you BRAG. My marriage took a downfall when we stopped talking and/or arguing. Does not matter who wins in the long run.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 12:14 am

Before watching the video, first impression is that axe would shatter way too easily. Lots of stress concentration points. Or, it would have to be made of metal so ductile that its softness compromises its practicality.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 12:24 am

I bet I could design a realistic test that would produce cracks at the corners of those hex sockets.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 12:46 am

Think I’m out on the axe… plus the dude all ready has a saw

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  rip58lovealways
05/01/2021 10:25 am

I recently found my fave camp hatchet. It’s a Cudeman. Ridiculously expensive for a hatchet, but it’s just about 2lbs of pure, simple, portable usefulness.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 10:23 am

Chopping a hardwood across the grain, at a slightly off-center angle simulating natural human error. Impact/impulse due to the relative hardness of the material, and side loading due to the angle of the impact.

I’m sure that would make for cracks, eventually, depending on the ductility of the metal. Only real mystery would be how many cycles it would take. I’d have to think a bit to come up with the number of cycles to represent a realistic “lifetime.”

ForeverRanger91
04/30/2021 11:57 pm

I know what Bolton’s athletic profile says but I don’t see it on film. He doesn’t look stiff at all.

EAFOX
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
04/30/2021 11:59 pm

I know we see highlights but I liked what I saw.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  ForeverRanger91
05/01/2021 12:17 am

He tested very different than he plays. In that, the guy that he reminds me of…Jarvis Jones. If anybody remembers who that is.

Bolton is risky. I like him, but he’s boom/bust. Hopefully Veach and me are right about him.

EAFOX
Reply to  Berserker
05/01/2021 12:21 am

I trust tape more than numbers. I remember many that rejected DJ because of how he was going to be manhandled by the offensive lineman. Seems to me he worked out.

EAFOX
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/01/2021 12:25 am

Undisciplined and instinctive are two sides of the same coin.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  EAFOX
05/01/2021 12:27 am

Every single review of any LB who weighs less than 260lbs says something like, “can sometimes be blocked by Olinemen.” Well, like, duh.

EAFOX
Reply to  Berserker
05/01/2021 12:28 am

I remember the year that Ray Lewis was quoted – saying the Ravens needed to draft some defensive lineman cause he could not make plays when the offensive lineman were blocking him.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  EAFOX
05/01/2021 12:36 am

I remember him complaining loudly to the whole sideline about being double teamed on every play, when Brian Waters was driving him down the field by himself.

EAFOX
04/30/2021 11:47 pm

I have faith that Andy will be able to find a decent wide receiver prospect in the fourth round and I am sure that we will add another piece for the secondary. I would not mind them trying to find a prospect at tight end or running back either. A pass rusher would probably have to come from FA.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  EAFOX
04/30/2021 11:50 pm

Do you think we’ll find a better WR in the fourth round than Robinson or Pringle?

If not, then why bother?

EAFOX
Reply to  Berserker
04/30/2021 11:54 pm

Perhaps – every pick has a risk/reward factor – and you never know if it will be a boom or a bust. I would rather try and fail than not try at all.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  EAFOX
04/30/2021 11:57 pm

Well, we already didn’t try. The second round was our best real chance to do that.

We’ve got Robinson and Pringle and draft picks in the late 4th and later. Might as well address other positions besides WR with those picks.

EAFOX
Reply to  Berserker
05/01/2021 12:03 am

None of the wide receivers stood out to me as long term solutions whereas Creed certainly does. Bolton was a surprise but getting a linebacker was not. I understand your point though – we definitely need to improve our receivers.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  EAFOX
05/01/2021 12:06 am

Hopefully you and Veach are both right about this year’s 2nd round receivers.

EAFOX
Reply to  Berserker
05/01/2021 12:10 am

I am sure that at least one of them will emerge as a viable starter but have no clue of whom it will be. There were a lot of small receivers and injured receivers and seemingly mediocre receivers so it was a hard choice to separate one from the other. We got Tyreek in the third so all is not lost.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  EAFOX
05/01/2021 12:18 am

Well the Pats got Brady at 199. So, sure, that’s a legitimate strategy.

EAFOX
Reply to  Berserker
05/01/2021 12:22 am

Damn Berserk – you are really wound here – which can’t miss prospect did we miss by drafting Creed.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  EAFOX
05/01/2021 12:29 am

Which prospect in the draft is really “can’t miss?”

Even Creed, if he was “can’t miss,” he would’ve been a high first rounder.

What we missed was an opportunity to get a player who might affect the team more than an ideally improved center.

EAFOX
Reply to  Berserker
05/01/2021 12:31 am

So it is more the position than the player. What if Creed was the BPA on the Chief’s list?

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  EAFOX
05/01/2021 12:39 am

Yep.

He must’ve been the BPA on their list. But a good X-WR would make more difference to the team than an outstanding center. I mean, that’s why they get paid more. Those salaries aren’t purely accidental, owners are too stingy for that.

EAFOX
04/30/2021 11:37 pm

We cannot discuss this draft without mentioning the obvious – we got a potential stud young left tackle in Brown.

Berserker
Berserker
04/30/2021 11:36 pm

Ourlads on Nick Bolton (who, interestingly, they have listed as an outside LB):

Two year starter, Frisco, TX.

Athletic, high motor linebacker with remarkable instincts versus the run and pass. Has played both in the box and as an overhang player.

Quick with initial read, he plays downhill versus the run and fits inside gaps with precision. Can take open windows and make plays in the backfield. Usually takes good angles and makes a lot of plays squaring up in the alley. Plays with knee bend and attacks blocks with quick hands allowing him to kip blocks on the move. Explodes into tackles with knee bend and finish. Drives through tackles and can drop a ball carrier in his tracks. Has been productive blitzing, timing the snap and closing on ball carriers and quarterback.

Excellent in zone pass coverage. Quick getting into a drop, he consistently finds work and closes voids in between zones. Sees the quarterback and receiver and is quick to break on the ball. Gets his hands to a lot of balls (phrasing). Makes some big hits after the catch. Can match a back out of the backfield and mirror most route breaks.

Lacks ideal length and has some trouble shedding blocks versus straight up blocks. Can get covered up if he doesn’t slip the block on the move. More quick than fast, he can get outran on the perimeter if angle isn’t precise. Loves to go back door shooting backside gaps (phrasing!), and while he makes some spectacular plays, he will under run a play at times. At times runs around the block, creating a gap or bad angle. Occasionally over runs the alley and has some trouble redirecting, causing lunge tackles. Has had some trouble staying in phase on a wheel route out of the backfield.

Has some deficiencies but makes up for it with instincts and hustle. Has three down potential and could fit as an inside linebacker in most schemes.

4th/5th round

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Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Berserker
04/30/2021 11:37 pm

One takeaway from that write-up, is that I don’t see how the strengths that they noted line up with a 4th/5th round grade. Seems like that write-up was leading to a higher grade.

EAFOX
Reply to  Berserker
04/30/2021 11:41 pm

Most sites had him picked relatively near where the Chiefs got him. Coaching should be able to tone down his gambles with more reliable discipline. Both him and Gay need to be coached up for coverage – how well they grade out as picks will depend on how good they might become there.

EAFOX
04/30/2021 11:33 pm

Bolton is more of a mystery – I do not get to watch much college football and avoid watching MU at all costs but I like his tape. In a couple of years, Bolton and Gay could become a dynamic duo in our linebacker corps. Both can seemingly come out of nowhere and make splash plays.

EAFOX
04/30/2021 11:29 pm

I think Creed will rival Grunhard as the greatest center the Chiefs have ever had.

Berserker
Berserker
04/30/2021 11:23 pm

Ourlads on Creed Humphrey: Junior entry, three-year starter, Shawnee, OK. Three-time All Big 12 conference honroee. The two time All America (first-team in 2019) also earned Big 12 Offensive Lineman of the Year two straight seasons. He is as decorated an offensive lineman as anyone in teh class. A true general in the middle and will be a huge mental asset to any quarterback he works with at the next level. He is steps ahead of the defense at all times and will be a strong piece of glue holding his fellow linemen together. Physically he brings a big, wide body with strong hands and advanced technique. His consistency as a run blocker is top notch, however he needs to improve his lower body in pass protection. Too often he gets stuck in the mud and will lack the quickness and power needed on the fly. He will be a starter and he fits into multiple schemes, but there is plenty of work to be done in a league where interior pass rushers are becoming more and more effective. Barrel chested with an athletic lower half. Plus size and power presence. Has good enough athletic ability off the snap to make do in zone blocking schemes. Will reach either B gap in a hurry. Excels with hand placement, accuracy, and strength. Will get and maintain the inside position. Knee bend comes natural to him when he needs to anchor. Won’t give up much ground. Swings his hips into the hole and simply keeps himself between the defender and the ball. A smart and cerebral leader of the line that can recognize a lot pre-snap and capable of directing traffic. Keeps his head on a swivel and rarely loks mentally fooled. Needs to be better in pass protection. Inconsistent to keep his feet active post-snap. Ankles look stiff and it will translate into poor pad level at times. Doesn’t strike defenders and it impacts his push up front. Will need to enhance his lower body efficiency and techniques when he is on an island against quicker, more explosive interior rushers. 2nd/3rd… Read more »

Tyrone
04/30/2021 11:19 pm

CREED is our highest drafted OL since Morse (pick 49) in 2015.

Prior to that it was Fisher in 2013.

Berserker
Berserker
04/30/2021 11:12 pm

Anybody got a best-available list for tomorrow? I’ve totally lost track on mine.

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