Friday Night Movies O/T: Are the Star Wars sequels worse than Battlefield Earth?

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It’s no secret that I didn’t like the Star Wars sequels. More specifically The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker. Those two movies were two of the three worst major studio films I’ve ever seen (The Force Awakens was merely subpar). When I say this a common response is that I must not have seen many movies, which is true. I don’t watch a lot of movies, and when I do I usually try to watch ones I know I’ll like.

So I decided to watch the top 10 movies on IMDb’s lowest rated movies list to see how they compared. But I ran into a problem. I felt I had to exclude Manos: The Hands of Fate (which sounds kind of cool to be honest) and Birdemic: Shock and Terror since they both had extremely low budgets that would prevent even competent filmmakers from making a good film. It’s not really fair to compare them to a movie like The Last Jedi that could spend more than their entire budgets on an animatronic boob monster (which is the name of my new band).

TIL the Thala-Siren milk that Luke drank was shot white! (From The Last Jedi bonus materials) : StarWars
What’d they do to you Luke?!

But there were still 8 movies left, so not a big deal. Except a lot of them were comedies, which don’t make great comparisons. Unfunny jokes can absolutely sink a comedy, while the unfunny jokes in The Last Jedi could have been overcome if it wasn’t for the lack of quality writing and poorly choreographed fight scenes.

Ok so now it’s down to 2, but that’s fine. If Rise of Skywalker can’t overcome 2 of the worst movies since the invention of celluloid then it should rightfully be called arguably the worst film ever. But the two remaining movies didn’t work either. One was Code Name: K.O.Z., a Turkish propaganda film that I literally couldn’t find an English copy of. The other was a horror film called House of the Dead based on a video game. But horror, like comedy, doesn’t compare well to sci-fi action movies, so I scratched that too.

With all 10 movies excluded I decided to just look for a single movie that would make a good and fair comparison, and it didn’t take long to find it.

Battlefield Earth

The 16th worst movie according to IMDB, and rightfully so. While watching it I had the same thought as Chris Stuckman, that I just couldn’t believe this movie had actually been made.

Ever heard of Chekhov’s Gun? It says that if you show a gun in the first act, it should be fired in the second act. I don’t know who Chekhov is but he must have really pissed off the writers of Battlefield Earth as they immediately violate this rule not once, but twice. When I say immediately I don’t mean after a little bit. Literally the first minute of the film, with the very first dialogue, is a completely pointless scene where the protagonist finds out his dad died. We never see the dad, and he is never mentioned again, but sure let’s open the movie with it.

Then, moments later, his wife or girlfriend or whatever gives him a necklace thing that she briefly explains was passed down through the generations and brings good luck. But like his dad this necklace is never mentioned again.

https://davegolder2005.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/battlefield-earth-tongue.png
Also this lady with the crazy tongue who exists for one scene.

But it’s not just the violation of an obscure writing convention that makes it bad, it sucks at every level. The dialogue is impressively terrible, so bad you’d almost have to try to write something that bad. The characters, particularly the aliens, are idiots, which is particularly ironic considering they’re supposed to be an advanced species.

In one sequence the alien leader, who apparently went to the Holdo school of leadership, wanted to figure out what the “man animals” liked to eat. A normal person would just ask, but instead he sent them out to the mountains without food for 3 days and then saw what they ate. Since the first thing they saw were rats, he concluded that humans loved to eat rats.

Then there’s the cardinal sin of sci-fi writing, which is inconsistent rules. When you create a fake universe you have to maintain a level of consistency with the rules if you want the viewer to be able to invest, but here there are no rules. Like the air. Apparently the aliens breathe different air that humans can’t, but this only pops up occasionally. Most of the time the humans are able to walk around and breath with no assistance in the same area the aliens are.

Is it better than The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker?

I only scratched the surface of all the awful things about this film. Battlefield Earth is indeed one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I legitimately had to take breaks throughout the movie as I couldn’t take it in all at once without wanting to jump off a tall building.

But it is better than The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker.

I gave those movies a 0/10, but Battlefield Earth has a small handful of positive things that boosts it to a 1/10.

While the setup for the rat thing was dumb, the joke itself was actually pretty funny. I legitimately laughed when he first went up to the protagonist and confidently tried to bribe him with a rat.

I was also a bit more invested in the final fight scene than I was for the Star Wars movies, which given how bad it was speaks volumes for how bad they are. Star Wars had every reason to be better given the superior production values, but The Last Jedi constantly shoots itself in the foot by resolving what tension it manages to build in the worst ways possible, while The Rise of Skywalker‘s climax is so nonsensical that it’s hard to know exactly what you’re supposed to be rooting for. Battlefield Earth at the very least lays out the plan and executes it. It may make no sense but at least you know what the goal is.

I also actually liked John Travolta’s character. It’s not a great character, but it had some personality at least and you could understand his motives, something you can’t say for most of the Star Wars sequel protagonists.

While the last two Star Wars sequels were complete unmitigated disasters, Battlefield Earth was a ever-so-slightly mitigated disaster, preventing it from quite joining their exclusive club.

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BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 10:48 pm

Dunno if I would have been more active here tonight, but that was precluded by our “nephew” and his GF dropping by to visit. That was during the 1st intermission of the Wild-Blues game, and they’re still here. He’s not actually related, of course, he’s the son of my Raiders friend on the next block, but I’ve known of him virtually his whole life, and when he moved us in after we escaped Leavenworth, he and I clicked pretty well. Makes sense, since we both got his father’s sense of humor, it made it easy for him to pick up on mine, just by observation.

He’s a good kid, though he’s the age of our eldest and well into adulthood. I got to do physical work with him a few times, splitting wood and such, and it was always a pleasure. I don’t concede my adulthood, but that doesn’t mean I talk down to them, either. And 30 minutes after beginning this, when they were heading out the door, we finally said good night, lol. Good kids.

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 11:50 pm

sounds like a good evening

EAFOX
04/09/2021 10:29 pm

Enjoyed talking about movies but turning in for the night.

Mattl
Mattl
04/09/2021 10:28 pm

All right, guys – it’s been fun tonight. But it’s 11:30 here in PA, so I’m headed to bed. Have a great night.

EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:51 pm

Movies that prey on our imagination are by far the scariest. A great filmmaker knows how to balance what we see on the screen with what we imagine in our mind.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:53 pm

seems the youngsters have seen it all an nothing is left to the imagination

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:56 pm

I remember the good ole days when as a child I could spend hours playing with a stick – and my imagination would do the rest.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 10:00 pm

I could listen to pop with the dogs in the woods

Billy don’t be a Hero

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 10:04 pm
EAFOX
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 10:09 pm

Had to add this – theme song from the NFL draft in which we drafted Patrick Mahomes and Chicago picked Mitch Trubisky.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 10:01 pm

When I was a kid, anything resembling a stick was a lightsaber.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:54 pm

I don’t usually get scared watching movies, but a “real life” scary movie like Silence of the Lambs is far more terrifying to me than a supernatural one, which often just seems silly to me. In other words, where there’s a killer who’s a living, breathing individual.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:56 pm

I will not watch Hostel

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:58 pm

Yeah, I saw that years ago. Not my thing. There was a certain exhuberance in the inflicting of pain. I enjoy the suspense-type horror movies – Scream, Halloween, Friday the 13th, etc.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 10:05 pm

Always good for an enjoyable evening watch

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:59 pm

I watched gore films to see tits, cheer on the most creative kills, and as a prelude to getting laid from a scared date.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:57 pm

Psycho was the best. Loved the original Frankenstein. The Exorcist freaked the shit out of me.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:59 pm

Psycho was amazing. The Exorcist did nothing for me though. It’s interesting that, depending on each of our unique backgrounds, certain movies will have a completely different impact on us.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 10:04 pm

agree

I was reading Pet Cemetary by King

at that particular moment when the child was hit by the truck

I put the book down never finished and never read another King novel

I did rewatch the remakes I had read or watched before

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 10:08 pm

Hard scene to watch in the movie.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 10:09 pm

Wow, I’ve never seen/read that one. King isn’t shy about being graphic and inappropriate, that’s for sure.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 10:13 pm

Uneven movie but a great premise. Fred Gwynne was excellent in the movie.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 10:14 pm

My friend is a huge Stephen King fan and emails me every time one of his movies is on TV. (Understood that the movies are totally different than the books.)

She got me to watch The Shining, which I enjoyed. And I’ve seen the remake of It (part 1). Crazy stuff.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 10:19 pm

Carrie and Cujo are great. Loved The Mist as well.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 10:21 pm

I’ll keep an eye out for them when they’re on. I’ve seen Carrie and Cujo listed every few months.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 10:27 pm

Neither are top 100 movies but both are solid views.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 10:07 pm

I also like movies where I have to guess who the bad guy killer is – as long as they are made well.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 10:08 pm

Absolutely. As silly as the Scream movies are, I love them because they keep you guessing as to the identity of the killer.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 10:12 pm

Scream was a nice surprise – I took my niece to see the movie – only reason I went but found it to be enjoyable.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 10:14 pm

I took my kids to adam sandler movies

I hate him now

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 10:18 pm

About 2/3 of Adam Sandler movies are funnier than shit. I will pass on the others.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 10:22 pm

my chosen choice of movies watched has no comedies on it

Belushi Died

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 10:26 pm

A great comedy is the hardest movie to make cause it has to be funny no matter how many times you watch it. Were you a big SNL fan – the original crew?

pompano
04/09/2021 9:39 pm
EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:12 pm

Great writing? Great acting? Dumb luck? When I viewed the pic below, I thought Spicoli, not Sean Penn. I think Archie Bunker, not Carroll O’Connor. I think Han Solo, not Harrison Ford. I think Jeff Goldblum, not any character he ever has tried to portray.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:16 pm

an actor

No one ever thinks Dustin Hoffman, or Al Pacino

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:22 pm

In the beginning, we had great actors who played themselves but within a wide range due to great storytelling – Bogart, Gable, Stewart, and John Wayne. Then, we had the generation of versatile actors – DeNiro, Pacino, Hoffman – that could pull off many different looks. Now, actors play second fiddle to the special effects.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:31 pm

yep I agree

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:40 pm

I had a thought

Babylon 5 was an awesome tv show

The basic premise was two questions.

Who are you?

What do you want?

the basic questions I would think somewhere above food and a home on Maslows Hierarchy of needs…

I was just thinking

If me and my wife had answered those questions …

I think she would say

an independent spirit and my own family

me

I work to provide for me and others, Someone that loves me and I do not need to control

I think that worked for us

was a lot of work in between but that was the basic guist

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:51 pm

I once got a job and during orientation the manager asked the group what our dreams were.

I said mine was to provide for my family to where my wife didn’t need to work, so she could always be there when the kids had an event or project they needed help with.

He didn’t like my answer, because he wanted me to say a tangible item like a fancy house or car. It was a commission based job and he thought I would be more motivated to go after an item more than family security.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 8:55 pm

You got the job if my reading comprehension still works? Providers are more stable I think

in my history, I have had 3 jobs since 1980 with only 4 months/ of unemployment 🙂

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 8:59 pm

I am old

so it is what it is

pompano
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 9:05 pm

*
no

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 9:23 pm

I have had 4 since 2004. I will have this one until I retire in 24 more years.

EAFOX
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:39 pm

I have been with the same district for over 40 years.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:21 pm

Yeah. That was orientation. I knew I wasn’t going to fit in there.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 11:01 pm

When it comes to raising kids, time is more precious than money. Ours didn’t have a lot of fancy stuff growing p, but they’ve both up and told us that compared to their better-off peers, they wouldn’t swap with any of them, and they were lucky to have us as parents. Greater praise than that simply doesn’t exist, and I’m all too aware of my shortcomings as a parent. Then again, that awareness may have helped, since I always tried to do better than whatever I flubbed.

We could have done things differently, and been able to pay for more things, but then we would have necessarily paid less attention. And while our methods were often unconventional, as I always told our kids, if it’s stupid but it works, it ain’t stupid. One of a long list of Rule Ones I raised them by, and I keep telling y’all that I don’t do “best ever” comparisons, lol. Same reasoning, it depends on the context and situation.

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:55 pm

comment image

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
04/09/2021 8:57 pm

that is a sandel and you do not seem the type Pomp for religeous self flagelation

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:03 pm

it is quite pagan actually

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
04/09/2021 9:22 pm

should I find a clip of Freedom

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:30 pm
EAFOX
04/09/2021 8:34 pm

The problem with the movies of today is too much emphasis is placed on special effects. Nothing inherently wrong with that but the subsequent deemphasis on the acting and storytelling suffers. Hollywood knows that people will spend their hard earned money as long as things blow up or car chases scenes become unreal.

EAFOX
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 8:47 pm

I think about the original Jaws – Spielberg knocked it out of the park – due to technical difficulties – by delaying the appearance of the shark. We are caught up in the movie by the time we see the shark. Example of story over special effects. One of the most memorable scenes is the story of the Indianapolis – no shark there.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 8:52 pm

The Indianapolis should be a movie on its own

I saw a movie about about a downed plane around the battle of midway and the rescue missions to find the downed airmen

Was a great movie

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:59 pm

The Indianapolis is a fantastic story – I am sure that someone somewhere has made a movie but it is surprising that a major movie was not devoted to telling that story.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 11:04 pm

I suspect that the US Navy has resisted cooperating with any project about that. Too many embarrassing elements there, one of the worst SNAFUs of the war. That especially applies to the aftermath, but it happens all too often in military history.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 8:53 pm

I read (I think it was after Jaws), Spielberg would often put the “appearance” scene towards the middle of his movies. In ET, we don’t see ET fully until midway through the story. In Raiders of the Lost Ark, we don’t see the Ark until halfway (or more) through the movie. Supposedly Spielberg had made some comment that he learned if you showed things too early, it lost the impact since there was no suspense; if you showed them too late, it was a disappointment.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 8:57 pm

There are a few exceptions but they have to be a roller coaster of a movie. In a world where the average attention span of individuals is shrinking, the movies have to capture their attention right away – or so the filmmakers believe.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:00 pm

Nothing drives me more crazy when watching an action movie than when they do the shaky camera and change the camera angle 25 times in five seconds. I love the Marvel movies, but they drive me crazy with how they film the action scenes.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:05 pm

You know what I hate

the action sequences too dark to see on the screen

EAFOX
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:08 pm

Especially when I got older and could see less

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:12 pm

Agree 100%. My goodness, the first Blair Witch movie was horrible. Everyone kept telling me how scary it was. I practically fell asleep, it was so boring. Dark AND shaky camera non-stop. No thanks.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:13 pm

I also hate the end of the movie written epilogue – too small to be seen by some.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:28 pm

That is one of my favorite horror movies. But I understand why some don’t like it.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:32 pm

Really? I’m amazed at how many people tell me that. Until the final minute or two, I didn’t think anything was scary or even interesting. And I usually love horror movies.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:35 pm
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:36 pm
steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:37 pm
Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:39 pm

I read that book years ago. I’ve thought about re-reading it.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:43 pm

only a 1014 pages or so

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:44 pm

Yeah, that one’s a biggie.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:47 pm

Better than Dr Zhivago

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 9:47 pm

I’ve never read that one! I was just listening to an old Jim Rohn CD and he mentioned Zhivago. I think I need to add that one to my list.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:37 pm

I spent a lot of time in the woods when I was younger. And I saw Blair Witch in the theater while vacationing in a cabin in Maine. The eerieness of the woods at night echoed throughout the movie.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:38 pm

same with the legend of Boggy Creek

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:39 pm

Now THAT would definitely help!

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:09 pm

I hate the super slow motion as well.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:16 pm

Yes! (It’s like the director is saying, “You’re too stupid to realize this part is really important, so I’ll slow it down for you.)

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 8:42 pm

thus Chick flicks?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 8:43 pm

The studios really are only interested in blockbusters now. They don’t spend much on story development because they don’t want to alienate any part of the audience.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 8:45 pm

Though this movie looks pretty impressive

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 8:49 pm

Wow, that looks intense!

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 8:52 pm

I am always skeptical of a good trailer – can the rest of the movie match up to the intensity?

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 8:54 pm

I think it’s interesting how they basically show the entire plot of most movies in the trailers now; it didn’t use to be that way.

Mattl
Mattl
04/09/2021 7:33 pm

My random thought tonight regarding the NFL draft: Here are six players that aren’t ranked in the top 20 of most big boards I’d be ok with us selecting at #31:

  1. Samuel Cosmi, OT
  2. Dillon Radunz, OT
  3. Jayson Oweh, DE
  4. Terrace Marshall, WR
  5. Rashod Bateman, WR
  6. Creed Humphrey, C
Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:39 pm

Yes
No
Yes
Yes
No
Maybe

The nos are because there are other players or positions I would prefer and think we could get equivalent players in the 2nd round.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 7:43 pm

Why the no on Bateman? He seems to me one of the most pro-ready of ANY of the WRs in this draft. Frankly, of those six, he’s the one I think most likely to be taken before we pick.

Humphrey is a three-year starter with off-the-charts athleticism and intelligence. Even though I don’t usually like to pick a center that high, I think he’d protect Mahomes like his life depended on it. The likelihood he busts is almost zero. I feel like his floor is “solid starter.”

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:46 pm

I think we could draft a number of center/guard prospects outside the top 64

3rd round at max

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:48 pm

There are definitely a number of centers that I like. Dickerson is awesome and I’d be thrilled to have him. But I have to wonder with his injury history if he’s off Veach’s board.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:54 pm

I would prefer to wait a round for Dyami Brown, or get Simi Fehoko or Anthony Schwartz in the 4th.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 7:59 pm

I’m not familiar with Fehoko offhand. But Brown and Schwartz seem to be speed guys. I like them, but I think we need a strong, physical WR (ala healthy Sammy). I see both Bateman and Marshall as being physical enough for what we need.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 8:05 pm

I have a feeling the Chiefs will take a WR none of us has really heard of

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:07 pm

Lol, you’re probably right. I had like a dozen WRs that I had mocked to us in 2019; not a single time did I mock Hardman. (And I don’t dislike him; I just didn’t think he was the guy we’d go after.)

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 8:12 pm

It is frustrating trying to mock draft

We have no idea the Chiefs board

I ask

the best CB in this draft had back surgery recently and has had injury issues

Overview
Farley possesses rare size for the position and does an excellent job of utilizing his frame and length to charge rent inside the catch space. While his traits and ball skills will be coveted, he’s still light on overall reps at the cornerback position. He needs to continue to improve his technique and discipline as he displays inconsistencies staying connected to routes at times. Farley is an ascending talent who fits more cleanly in a press-heavy scheme. Might require early patience as he continues to gain the polish necessary to become a quality NFL starter.

Strengths

  • Big, long and can run.
  • Improved his pattern recognition later in the 2019 season.
  • Hassles receivers with length and strength.
  • Plus route redirection from zone coverage.
  • Appears to have physical attributes needed to cover mismatch tight ends.
  • Stays in phase from press coverage.
  • Stalls the release with effective one- or two-hand punch.
  • Maintains focus and positioning when tracking deep targets.
  • Shows straight-line closing speed when he opens his stride.
  • Ball skills come naturally for him.
  • Attacks on the throw are typically well-timed and extremely rigorous.
  • Takes play-side angles in challenging passing lanes.
  • Excellent use of hand-fighting and body positioning constricts catch space.
  • Has potential for rapid improvement as run defender with more work.

Would you draft him at 31?

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:14 pm

I wouldn’t. It’s so tempting….but man, back surgery scares me off.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 8:17 pm

Our OT tackle prospect on the team had an injury history

Lucas Niang

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:18 pm

Yeah, but 3rd round vs 1st round. At some point, the injury history is worth the risk because of talent.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:15 pm

Depends on how the board falls.
Positional priorities in my mind.
1. OT
2. LB
3. WR
4. CB
5. DE
6. C
7. TE

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 8:18 pm

He was the presumed top CB over Surtain and Horn till the surgery news

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:19 pm

Yeah, literally until like a week ago. Crazy.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:24 pm

I would take him if there wasn’t a day one starter at LT. It would be a coin flip over Farley and perhaps LB Jamin Davis or Terrace Marshall.

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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 8:09 pm

Dane Brugler of The Athletic says Bateman isn’t a sudden athlete and needs to work on contested catches.

He is also 6ft flat, 190 lbs. I don’t think he is a first rounder.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 8:11 pm

Wow. I like Brugler, but I thought Bateman was pretty solid at contested catches.

I’ll bet you a hot fudge sundae he goes in the first. 🙂

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 8:19 pm

That might not be a bad bet. The past few years everyone has been wrong on WRs getting drafted in the first round. I fully expect four to be picked this year, but most mocks have 6 or 7.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 8:22 pm

I think five (Chase, Waddle, Smith, Bateman, Marshall), with a couple more going in the second (Moore, the other Moore, Toney and maybe Eskridge).

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 7:44 pm

I agree but Creed would be a no

trade down and it opens a lot of possibilities

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:47 pm

I understand. Those six are if we stay put. I’m not opposed to trading down if the board doesn’t suit Veach. But then you’re dependent on whoever wants to trade up and what they’re willing to give up.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:53 pm

Yes

my Precious

Smith is long gone

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:56 pm

I put Creed as a maybe because he would be an instant starter and be here for 5 years. We don’t need a center this year, but there won’t be a player in the third round anywhere near his equal right now.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 8:04 pm

maybe but we don’t need him

we signed the guy from the Rams and we have been using like 5th to UDFA at center for awhile

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 8:06 pm

Yeah, I understand that line of thinking. But I also could see Veach wanting to give Mahomes some stability at that position. Probably unlikely for Humphrey to be the pick, but I’d be ok with it.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:30 pm

Star Wars is one of the biggest and most beloved pop culture franchises of all time. It’d be impossible to name every bit of art influenced by the galaxy far, far away since the release of Star WarsA New Hope in 1977. But George Lucas’s space fantasy series wore its own influences pretty boldly on its sleeve. From science-fiction serials like Flash Gordon to the films of Akira Kurosawa, Star Wars is essentially an amalgamation of many things that came before.

One of the biggest pieces of media to impact Star Wars was Frank Herbert’s 1965 novel Dune. The two share an enormous amount of similarities, from their galactic setting to their character journeys and more. In fact, the two share so much DNA that Herbert complained that Lucas stole from him. “I’m going to try very hard not to sue,” Herbert told an Oregon newspaper back in the ‘70s, before adding that he found the first Star Wars film “boring.”

https://nerdist.com/article/everything-star-wars-borrowed-from-dune/

I stand vindicated

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:32 pm

Like Microsoft stole Apple tech

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:50 pm

Yeah, but Apple stole Xerox PARC tech to begin with.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 7:56 pm

does this go back to German Tech in the 30’s?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:12 pm

What does Sun Tzu see as the highest form of victory in a war?
Sun Tzu argues that war shouldn’t be taken lightly, that the highest form of warfare is defeating the enemy without fighting, and that being ‘still’ and ‘inscrutable’ is the business of a general. He emphasizes the use of intelligence over brute force and teaches us how to win battles the smart way.Jul 23, 2020

“I’ve got Pat Mahomes, you give me a minute and a half, and I’m pretty good right there,” he said, via the team’s official transcript. “There’s a time and a place for (allowing an opponent to score). That wasn’t the situation. I hoped we had plenty of time. If we didn’t have enough time, I’d be sitting here telling you something different. But we had enough time to get rolling.”

How do you win a Sun Tzu war?
Know yourself and you will win all battles. Move swift as the Wind and closely-formed as the Wood. Attack like the Fire and be still as the Mountain. Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.May 23, 2014

“I take him over everybody, and I’m lucky to have him,” Reid said. “As we are as a football team and as we are as a city. I know we’re all proud of him and the way he goes about his business. When you’re behind, he can make things happen. He sees, he’s got great vision. He’s got guys, who believe in him, around him and work like crazy to get themselves open. Again, this is just a good football team. Like I said, I’m proud of the way they handled this. This could’ve easily went the other way and it didn’t. And it’s because they bear down.”

pompano
04/09/2021 7:11 pm

Without internal consistency any story falls apart or loses meaning.

d-block
d-block
04/09/2021 7:10 pm

Mass Effect did Star Wars better.

slackator
slackator
Reply to  d-block
04/09/2021 7:44 pm

Cant wait for the Mass Effect movie and with rumored Henry Cavill on board to play Shepherd.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  slackator
04/09/2021 7:46 pm

I’ll see Cavill in just about anything since he’s a Chiefs fan. 🙂

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:52 pm

IIRC, he set himself to learning both MLB and the NFL to get into the role, but he didn’t expect to like them so much.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 7:54 pm

That could be; I’m not sure. I just remember that he said he liked watching football and needed a team. He didn’t want to root for a team that his girlfriend liked because if they broke up, he’d have no interest in them. So since the Chiefs are close to Kansas, where Clark Kent lives, he decided to go with them. Then he attended a game at Arrowhead and there was no going back.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:57 pm

The two stories aren’t incompatible. In fact, they relate well enough for both to be true.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  slackator
04/09/2021 7:51 pm

I have to ask

and no I am not all in the streaming era

What and who is going to be the next Puzo, scorzese, Hitchcock, Speilberg
Writers King, Tarantino, Coppola,
Producers Mann, Lee

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:56 pm

I don’t think there can be a Hitchcock any more. The Suspense genre just isn’t done much, if at all. I mean, I guess that Shamalan was going there, having been forced to watch Signs, but if so, he missed the mark, and badly. Science fiction and suspense are not incompatible, but blending them takes actual finesse and understanding.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 8:00 pm

I did see Signs

it was no Close Encounters of the Third Kind

slackator
slackator
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:59 pm

Dont know, Ive never followed Directors, Writers, or Producers. Im not a film buff and so a lot of the stuff that people praise I would likely fall asleep watching if I ever did so. I only know if I liked a movie or not, not what makes it good or bad, how it was shot, what a producer does and all that. I’ll leave that up to the Gene Siskels of the world

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  slackator
04/09/2021 8:02 pm

well I just asked the Author is responsible for the direction of his thread!!!!!

I think our guide is less informed than the readers on this 🙂

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
04/09/2021 6:55 pm

Your synopsis of these is better than the movie’s themselves .. yes Star Wars was always to G rated, you could’ve done so much more with that movie with a PG rating or heaven forbid an R .

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pompano
Reply to  rip58lovealways
04/09/2021 7:17 pm

Battlefield was a decent space opera novel, if overlong.
I have no idea what the movie was other than bad.
In the novel there was a shiton of tactical nuke landmines …ok

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
04/09/2021 7:23 pm

I feel like I missed a lot of missable movies. Kudos to me

I did see in the recent past (20 years) at the theatre

Godzilla Movies (My youngest likes to take me to them, cause I like them)
Gettysburg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_(1993_film)
Gods and generals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gods_and_Generals_(film)
1917 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_(2019_film)

Mattl
Mattl
04/09/2021 6:45 pm

I totally agree on Star Wars. I was six years old when the original was first released. I grew up on Luke Skywalker as THE hero of my childhood. What Johnson did to Luke’s character felt like such a betrayal. I mean, I understand that it’s JUST a movie….but my goodness.

I was ok that The Force Awakens was just “decent.” I understood the enormity of rebooting a franchise. It was too much of a rip-off of the original, but that didn’t bother me because it opened up so many possible story lines for the future. But The Last Jedi was laughably bad. I went to the opening day premiere….and I’ll never forget the silence at the end of the movie, in a packed theater. The disappointment was very evident.

For The Rise of Skywalker, I at least giving JJ Abrams credit for making Rey’s background interesting and trying to salvage the trilogy, even though he failed. I loved seeing Palpatine again, but instead of an entertaining, sinister character he was a screaming madman; nothing like the original Palpatine. But there was zero explanation for how he was alive, or a dozen other plot points. It was bad. So bad.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:06 pm

Have you seen the Mandalorian? I think it’s super good. I think Jon Favreau has done the best job since the originals. I even love

!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!
when Luke shows up!

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  MasterChief
04/09/2021 7:12 pm

I LOVE Jon Favreau for how he’s turned the Star Wars franchise around. I’ve seen most of the Mandalorian series (including the last couple episodes). Absolutely fantastic. I’m not ashamed to admit I had tears in my eyes during those final ten minutes of the final season 2 episode. Finally we saw “him” at full strength as a jedi, something that the sequels robbed us of.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:14 pm

I just finished it a couple weeks ago. It was really really good. I thought it had a certain “feel” of the old movies with it’s own added flavor. I was super impressed. I can’t wait for season 3!

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  MasterChief
04/09/2021 7:17 pm

It really is amazing how you can tell that certain filmmakers just “get it” when it comes to Star Wars. Favreau (and the other guy, I don’t recall his name) clearly understand the SW universe and how fans see things. Johnson (and to a lesser degree Abrams)…..they just don’t seem to care about the fans and the whole SW universe the same way.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:37 pm

With his work on the Trek reboot, Abrams demonstrated from the get-go that he doesn’t understand how episodic series worked. I mean he immediately got himself in trouble with the unlimited-range transporter that didn’t even have power limitations. Things accordingly went downhill from there.

That said, he brought a lot of good things to his movies, and treated the fanbase pretty well, loading the first one especially with references and similar fanservice. I also liked how his Enterprise’s Engineering area was massive, and there were plenty of great visuals as well as very good to great casting. If he hadn’t self-limited like that, he coulda been ideal for the franchise, instead of leading it into a corner. Pity.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 10:05 pm

Yeah, I loved the Star Trek movie. The second one was decent; third one was meh.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:31 pm

The rumor mill consistently reports that Kennedy hates what Favreau is doing, and blames her lack of success with the franchise on her putting her agendas ahead of telling a good story. How true that is, I don’t know, but it certainly lines up well with what she’s done to SW.

I mean, a “talking” rock named Geode as a primary character? A metro(a)sexual Han Solo rip-off as the pilot of The Ship? Jesus wept.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 7:35 pm

Yeah, I’ve read a few rumors myself about Kennedy’s agenda. It seems pretty obvious just from watching the movies. Funny thing is, the agenda wouldn’t bother me nearly as much if the movies were actually GOOD and told an interesting story.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 7:48 pm

The funny thing is, that you can forward an agenda as an integral part of the story, Heinlein was well-known for getting his points in, but the only way it can happen is if you have a great story, first. I mean, Dr. Mary Lou Martin was the first strong, highly intelligent female (she was in physics, IIRC, and her collaborator and “junior partner” a research chemist.) in a big-time story (Let There Be Light) in SF. That’s forwarding an agenda, at least for the time, but it would’ve been a great story if both characters had been male.

With Kennedy, the evidence seems to indicate that she begins by deciding the agendas she wants to include, and then tries to create a story around them. That cannot possibly lead to good storytelling, it’s polemic. Hell, I’d go so far as to include Animal Farm, 1984, and BNW in that category, but those were great because they were highly focused on specific things, and still great stories. The Screwtape Letters were much the same that way. But note that those are all books. Movies don’t have the elbow room to work that angle much. Cool Hand Luke, perhaps, but again, very, very tightly focused, and the story came first.

Yes, I have strong opinions on the subject, why do you ask? 😉

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 7:51 pm

I always think of Princess Leia. When I showed my nieces the original trilogy, the girls were all 4-10 years old. They immediately LOVED Leia and her strength and grit, like when she talked back to Vader and Tarkin, and traded barbs with Han. They didn’t need an agenda of a strong female character….it just happened naturally in the story and the girls were immediately drawn to it.

Tyrone
04/09/2021 6:40 pm

I had the misfortune of paying to see Battlefield Earth at the cinema as a teenager. I’ve seen The Force Awakens, and Rogue one, but none of the other new star wars films. I find it very hard to believe any of them could come close to being as bad as Battlefield Earth.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 8:20 pm

I agree with everything you said….except I thought Rogue One was excellent. (I sometimes wonder if I’d think so if not for the final two minutes. But frankly, it FELT like a Star Wars movie, really the first one since Return of the Jedi.)

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 8:38 pm

There were a couple unnecessary things early in the movie, but overall I think it’s one of the top three SW movies, up their with the original and Empire. And the X-wing battle is arguably the best space fight scene in all the SW movies – the perfect speed to appreciate what was going on, but none of the cartoonishness of the prequels.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 8:42 pm

Preface: I have not seen Rogue One.

The actors made the original trilogy – we bought in – we think about Han Solo, not Harrison Ford, when we watch. Has any actor in any of the other movies made us cross that threshold?

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 8:46 pm

Excellent question. With Rogue One, it’s difficult since it was a stand alone movie (although now they’re working on a TV series with one of the characters). But the female lead – Felicia Jones, I thought was great. Like, borderline Carrie Fisher great. (And by great, I mean for the SW universe.)

In the new trilogy, the only character remotely interesting to me was Rey. But her story line was so butchered that it was hard to buy in. In the first movie, I really liked her. But then with the Last Jedi, I lost all interest in her character. And the other characters were nearly worthless. What a wasted effort.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:02 pm

I liked the Finn dynamic in the first movie. I never thought about the storm troopers as people until that movie. His character became annoying in the next two though.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:06 pm

Yeah, he was pretty cool and had some funny lines. But man, they just destroyed his character development in the next movies. I’d still be in favor of Favreau taking over SW and banishing that trilogy to non-canon.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:00 pm

Star Wars rankings

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. New Hope
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Rogue One
5. Attack of the Clones
6. Force Awakens
7. Return of the Jedi
8. Solo
9. Rise of Skywalker
10. Phantom Menace
11. Last Jedi

Mandolorian is excellent.

EAFOX
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:03 pm

I have seen seven of these movies – I most wholeheartedly agree with you number one choice. I agree with # 2 but # 3 has to be Return of the Jedi – even with flaws. Nothing compares to the original trilogy.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:04 pm

I agree with your first two and your bottom three. I’d have Rogue One ahead of RotS (although I liked both), and AotC lower. And I liked RotJ and Solo more than Force Awakens. But overall I think we’re pretty close. AotC was just so cartoonish. But it also had Natalie Portman.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:13 pm

Attack of the Clones had a great battle scene with multiple Jedi. It gave me chills in the theater.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:15 pm

When I saw the Jedi battle scene in the theater, sure it was cool and everyone cheered. But the battled itself looked like a cartoon. And the movie itself should have been so much better. Introducing the mystery of Sifo-Dyas and then never addressing it again the movie….ugh, I hate stuff like that.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:16 pm

The battle scene was about the only good part of the movie.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 9:13 pm

RotS is your favorite? Interesting. I think it’s one of the most re-watchable and I definitely enjoyed it. But I feel like it still didn’t compare to the originals.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:17 pm

I used to have that as my favorite because how grown up that one felt. I recently rewatched them all and love the nostalgia of the first two. Though meeting Yoda in Empire makes me wonder why people hated on Jar Jar so much. Yoda’s introduction was extremely annoying.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:20 pm

Just curious – how old are you? I was nine when Empire came out. I had never seen anything like Yoda before. It was pretty cool at the time to have a creature look so real and talk (and not be an obvious man in a gorilla suit thing).

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:29 pm

AKA – the Gilligan Island gorilla or the original Planet of the Apes gorillas!!!

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:32 pm

Planet of the Apes ROCKED!

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:37 pm

The original – first of the five – was a brilliant piece of story telling and movie making.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:39 pm

Every now and then it’s on TV and I have to at least keep it on for background noise. Charlton Heston was a man’s man.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:31 pm

I was born in 82.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:33 pm

That might help explain it then. By the time you were old enough to appreciate SW and such, there were dozens of movies and tv shows with stuff like that. Yoda wouldn’t have been impressive at all.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:36 pm

Like the old time westerns when the bad guys were shot and killed but with no blood.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:45 pm

I loved Yoda as a kid. It wasn’t until a couple years ago when I watched all the movies in a row that I realized how annoying Yoda was when Luke met him. The first 10 minutes of Yoda’s personality is worse than anything Jar Jar ever did.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 9:47 pm

Lol, come on, man! He was testing Luke!! Nothing compares to Jar Jar….except the new trilogy.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 9:25 pm

Ah ok, so you’re pretty young then. Having lived with JUST the originals until I was 28 – and knowing them as the creation of something great – the stories seemed so much deeper to me. The prequels were fine; I was happy to have new SW material, but they were incredibly disappointing in not telling the story better.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:27 pm

Agree with Matt – IF you saw the originals first, most everything pales in comparison even though the sci fi effects were pretty lame compared to the rest of the collection – especially in The New Hope.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 9:31 pm

I think the problem for “older” fans like me is that we had a 16-year wait for the prequels. Nothing could EVER live up to that hype. When Lucas announced he was doing the prequels, it was earth-shattering news for SW fans. It was the early days of the internet too, so chat rooms exploded with SW rumors and such. Most of us were hoping for a dark, sad tale. Instead, we got Jar Jar. RotS was more of the tone that we had expected for the entire trilogy.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:34 pm

Very true – from another even older guy.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:38 pm

It’s hard to describe to someone who didn’t grow up in the 1970s how impressionable a 6-year old boy is when Luke Skywalker is the ONLY hero he really knows. There weren’t 500 TV stations and dozens of movies aimed at kids. Luke was it. When Luke stared at the setting suns of Tatooine, every body understood the desire for adventure and to become a man. For years afterward, every movie/TV hero was compared to Luke.

EAFOX
Reply to  Mattl
04/09/2021 9:46 pm

I was every western star out there, most specifically the Duke. Star Wars is a western based in space.

EAFOX
Reply to  Tony Sommer
04/09/2021 9:17 pm

I could never get a grip on Hayden Christiansen as Anakin Skywalker.

Mattl
Mattl
Reply to  EAFOX
04/09/2021 9:20 pm

I was ok with him; not great but not horrible. But I’ll never forgive him for taking Rachel Bilson from me.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 6:14 pm

The Gatling gun was first used in warfare during the American Civil War. Twelve of the guns were purchased personally by Union commanders and used in the trenches during the Siege of Petersburg, Virginia (June 1864—April 1865).

Josie Wales

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 6:10 pm
AndyReidStach
AndyReidStach
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 6:15 pm

I had a chance to see them in lawrence a few years ago, I missed it because they didn’t promote the show. An album I can listen to from start to finish.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  AndyReidStach
04/09/2021 6:26 pm

I would have loved to see them in concert. That album is an underground classic.

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 6:31 pm

I haven’t heard that song in a long time another great choice… Meow….

rip58lovealways
rip58lovealways
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 6:41 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 5:57 pm

While I haven’t seen any of the movies in question (though I’ve heard a good bit about them), having read Battlefield Earth, I don’t see how any movie made based on it could do better than 0.49/10. Oh, it was great fun to read, as a teenager trying to not think about the uglinesses of reality and therefore not thinking at all, but by 25, it was cringey on every page. Anyone who believes that Tolkien’s a terrible writer has never read anything by Hubbard. Consistency was always beyond his reach, probably because he never bothered trying to reach for it.

But then, having read a number of books easily in excess of 20k, over the course of my life, I think I can tell the difference between good authors, bad authors, and authors whose books I don’t enjoy because of incompatible styles, social conventions, or general themes preferred. But for me, the worst are the marginal authors, like Hubbard, who are good enough to get published, and not much more. Where Hubbard excelled was in playing the system, where he could crank out crap and have it sell, because he focused on marketability over quality writing. He could never hold a candle to Bradbury, let alone to the Greats of the era, like Asimov and Heinlein.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 6:02 pm

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steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  Severely Concussed
04/09/2021 6:08 pm

I would down vote the man, not your comment

Scam artists are the worst of humanity, they play on the sociability of normal humans like a parasite

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:08 pm

Consider my up-vote a down-vote for Hubbard.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  MasterChief
04/09/2021 7:18 pm

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:17 pm

And it was basically $cientology that got that piece of schlock to the Big Screen, from what I heard. Travolta was big in it, I guess until his kid died. Isaac Hayes had no problem with South Park skewering every religion under the sun…until it was his “church’$” turn. Then it was religious intolerance and all that. LRH catered to celebrities for marketing reasons, and it worked.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 7:27 pm

A building in KC that I worked over and over at 18th and Grand is a Scientology property

bought on the cheap when the market was down and after 20 plus years is scientology branded

for what I have no idea

pompano
Reply to  steve_chiefs
04/09/2021 7:38 pm

come on in
we’ll explain it

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  pompano
04/09/2021 7:41 pm

I would rather try a Jag bar

seems more interesting to me 🙂

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 7:25 pm

the hero never really developed, just presented.

AndyReidStach
AndyReidStach
04/09/2021 5:51 pm

With COVID I’ve either become way to isolated or every good looking women possible was working at the hospital today. Happy Friday. Also the chiefs sticker is in the mail.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  AndyReidStach
04/09/2021 5:58 pm

“every good looking women”

And you’re seeing each one as several of themselves? Boy, you do have it bad, don’t you.

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
04/09/2021 6:05 pm

The HyVee was working for me, and the Walmart too

this isolation has been horrible

pompano
Reply to  AndyReidStach
04/09/2021 7:27 pm

perspective, dude!

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