Arrowhead Guys is under new management! Let’s discuss the future

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That’s right, I have officially acquired ownership of Arrowhead Guys from Anthony, as you’ve probably realized if you’ve been hanging around here recently.

With this change I thought it’d be a good opportunity for us to all get together and discuss what we want out of AG moving forward. This post will be my thoughts, but since this is fundamentally a community I’d like to hear from everybody and see what other people think.

What is AG’s Purpose?

Back 10-15 years ago when most of us were members of some other blog there was a dearth of Chiefs content. The Chiefs being mentioned on a national platform was rarer than a Derek Carr playoff win, so places like that were one of the few where we could go to read about our team.

But nowadays the situation has dramatically improved. Where a decade earlier it was nearly impossible to find Chiefs content, now it’s everywhere. It’s impossible for one person to consume all the quality Chiefs content that is out there.

So I believe that AG simply can’t just be a Chiefs blog. We need to be able to offer fans something they can’t get anywhere else, and the answer is obvious. AG was originally founded because we wanted our own community to discuss the team, and that’s exactly what AG offers that others don’t.

While most places are one directional (you the consumer consume what is produced), AG aims to be more bidirectional. Contributors read and respond to comments, and readers are encouraged to provide their own content through FanPosts.

How to Do Fanposts

I’d like to do something to make the Fanposts more prominent and easier to use. But I admit I’m not much of a web designer, so I’m not sure exactly how to do that. Obviously we will make an effort to promote fanposts to the front page as much as possible, but right now they are kind of hidden on the side of the page. What could we do to make them more prominent?

Bringing in More Money

Everything in the world runs on money, and to do some of the things below require bringing in more revenue. Right now AG brings it roughly the amount required to pay the bills but not much more.

Our main revenue source, Google ads, are pretty much tapped out. It’s not feasible to post more without significantly impacting the user experience, so we need to find other income sources.

One possibility is Patreon. Patreon is a website that allows people to fund content creators, either through monthly payments or on a per-post basis. If we went this route Patreon supporters usually get little bonuses, so what those bonuses are should be discussed.

The other main option is sponsorships. As in we’d go to businesses (preferably ones local to Kansas City) who would sponsor our content.

Paying Contributors

Right now every single person involved in AG does it for free. I’m not a believer in having people work for free, so I’d like to get to the point where all the people who work so hard to make AG possible get something, even if it’s just the equivalent of a dinner at Applebee’s once a month.

Doing This Full Time?

One idea I’ve bounced around is for me personally to make this my main job. That means either full time, or more than part time (and I’d do other part time work to help make ends meet).

The benefit of this would be obvious, as I’d be able to spend more time on doing all the little things that make the AG experience nicer. I’d also be able to spend more time on articles to make them more in depth and interesting.

The good news financially is that, as a frugal childless bachelor, I don’t really need that much income, especially if I spent 10-20 hours a week working a “real” job. The bad part is that even that low level is still a lot of money. Even working part time I’d likely need at least $1k a month from the blog to make it viable, which would be a lot of money that could go towards other things.

Custom Commenting System

The commenting system we use right now is an add-in that we’ve sort of hacked to try and make work, but AG would really work best if we had one custom designed for our specific needs. This raises two questions for the group.

  1. If we did do this, what features would you want?
  2. This would likely cost several thousand dollars. How willing would people be to donate to a fundraiser for the cause?

We’re Looking For Contributors

While we’re all here, I’d like to use this opportunity to say that we’re in need of more contributors. While a film expert or analytics math nerd would be awesome, if you’re just a normal passionate fan that likes to talk about the Chiefs you are qualified for the role. If you’re interested you can send a PM to the official Arrowhead Guys Twitter account or send an email to arrowheadguys@gmail.com, or just leave a comment here and I’ll get in contact with you.

Times Yours

That’s all I have, so I look forward to hearing what everybody has to say.

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hmills110
06/05/2021 8:08 pm

Subscriber-only content for some premium stuff is how a lot of guys do it. You might want to check out Ryan Tracy on RGR Football. They’re building something there, as I’m sure you know. Not sure what kind of collaboration, but they’re nice guys and nice guys finish first.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  hmills110
06/05/2021 9:05 pm

Man, I hate subscriber-only. It always leads to the “free side” getting the shaft.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  SCKSChief
06/10/2021 10:22 am

Yeah, but it does keep advertisers out of it. That is, it allows the people who own the site to run the site, instead of advertisers running the site.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  hmills110
06/06/2021 12:15 pm

Agree with SCKSChief, in that I hate subscriber models but also think that it’s a viable solution IF we do much more original content. What would you put behind the paywall? Would subscribes see no/fewer ads? Don’t think I’d pay to see “fewer” ads.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic
05/30/2021 9:08 am

I’d recommend collaborating with some other brands, like its always sunny in chiefs kingdom. Be a guest on their podcast! Gets your name out there.

Or AG could always start an Only Fans!

QuackTastic
QuackTastic
05/30/2021 8:43 am

Is it possible to have a blatantly sponsored article that we’d all promise to click on?

Also, manscaped sponsored its always sunny in chiefs kingdom for a good year. Maybe hit them up?

Last edited 12 days ago by QuackTastic
QuackTastic
QuackTastic
05/30/2021 8:31 am

Nice article. As long as a ‘Tony’ is running the site I’m good 🙂 you forgot to mention that AG was started to save Kwon Yuri. As long as that is still our core mission, consider me your ally!

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  QuackTastic
05/30/2021 9:59 am

If you read the discussions below, you’ll see that she and her friends are a little problematic. I’m thinking the best way to save her as a presence on the site (not in dancing gif form) is to contact her, outfit her in AG garb, and stick the photo on the front page. Paying homage to our past without being creepy about it & we get a celebrity endorsement.

hmills110
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/01/2021 2:55 am

She should be getting paid for the use of her likeness.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  hmills110
06/01/2021 7:14 am

You are correct, and I doubt we can afford that. Another good reason to let this tradition go

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/01/2021 4:39 pm

Or, a very tiny number of people could let their squeamishness about a silly tradition, go.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Berserker
06/01/2021 4:50 pm

And you think that’s the issue, don’t you? You really think that’s it.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/01/2021 4:54 pm

Lol, of course. A very vocal minority is obviously the issue. In this and all other similar issues.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Berserker
06/01/2021 5:09 pm

Well, I take that back…the issue is actually probably more about the much larger number of otherwise sensible people who allow themselves to be browbeaten, intimidated, and/or enticed into a mob mentality by the very vocal tiny minority.

But either way, same difference.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Berserker
06/01/2021 5:12 pm

This is simply being willfully ignorant. This entire conversation and this is your taek. Amazing.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/01/2021 5:28 pm

I see you’re not even trying to argue the point.

Of course you’re pretty smart, so I’m sure you realize I’m right.

I mean… dancing girl gifs? Bikini pics? Even full nudes? Come the f’ on, that’s about the most silliest thing ever to get all twisted up about. And 99% of people know this full well, whenever they aren’t distracted and/or bullied out of their right minds by a few (or even just one) shouting fool.

It’s a human condition, always been like this and always will be. Progress of civilization will be measured by the ability of most people to successfully and peacefully ignore the insane taeks of a few.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Berserker
06/01/2021 5:44 pm

You mean like a stolen election?

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/01/2021 6:07 pm

Like Life, Liberty, and Et Cetera!

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Berserker
06/01/2021 6:43 pm

I wish you would quit screwing around with this. It’s a lie and a threat to our democracy.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  probablyamistake
06/01/2021 6:49 pm

You don’t think that a president who can’t enunciate the Declaration is a threat to our democracy, huh?

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Berserker
06/01/2021 9:06 pm

Why agure when you prove that you are being willfully ignorant all on your own?

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/02/2021 11:16 am

I’ll never really understand this idea that some people have, that their arguments deserve to be respected in the end just because of quantity of words and the “true feeling” behind them.

No, an argument should be actually sensible in order to be persuasive. If the reasoning behind an argument doesn’t make sense, then it doesn’t matter how much effort or feeling you put into it. This isn’t like a silly awkward high school fight where you just swing pointlessly and then become best friends in the end. There actually are right and wrong answers, here.

If you go along with something that you know is wrong, then you know that you’re wrong, too.

More specifically, if you can point to any instances where prudism and prohibition worked out best for everyone in the long run, instead of ending in disaster, then you might have the beginning of a sensible argument for your opinion.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Berserker
06/02/2021 11:27 am

And yet, you drone on about the wrong answer as if it’s right. Yes, there is right and wrong, and you are solidly camped out on the wrong side of this situation because you can’t/won’t see past you. What do YOU want? What do YOU think the site should be for YOU? Sorry. Not about you. About Tony & the future of this site. You? Ya ain’t even important enough to continue this pointless thread.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/02/2021 11:47 am

Ha, well…Tony is developing a product for customers, right? So it’s not about Tony, it’s about customers. So what you said there, with it being about “Tony & the future of this site,” that’s completely wrong, and the opposite of customer oriented business.

Otherwise, if you (and Tony) truly believe that blowing with the wind, so to speak, i.e. following whatever happens to seem the most obvious trends at the moment, is the best course… Well, there’s AP and lots of others already doing that, so if that truly is the best course then Tony’s own best course would probably be to simply go to work for one of them.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  NovaChiefs
06/02/2021 11:50 am

Of course we both know that your irritated attitude here isn’t coming from your concern about “Tony & the future of this site.” It’s about your own disappointment that you haven’t won your point. You need to take those accusations of self centeredness and speak them to a mirror.

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  Berserker
06/05/2021 2:10 pm

You’ll never get it. Why are 99% of the pictures just Asian women? Are Asian women synonomous with the Kansas City Chiefs? You certainly aren’t celebrating Asian culture. I don’t see any “Korean cooking Saturdays” or “History of Eastern Chinese Medicine” articles here. No. Just twerking Asian girls. And when I speak up about it I get called a troll, or be told to go away, or worse yet, people respond to me by posting more pictures. So immature.

I love the Kansas City Chiefs, I love my family. I’d hate for my daughters to see this site and assume this is the majority of Chiefs kingdom. Because it’s not. There are people here that think their freedom to demean trumps everything else. And they may be right here. But as this article suggests, you may be looking for a new place to visit in the not so distant future, because no self-respecting business would endorse an Asian fetish site that tries to pass it off as a football site. Good luck on getting any press passes either.

The irony here is that a minority of people ruined AP for this same shit, now theyre doing the same thing here.

Last edited 6 days ago by Gersidi76
Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Gersidi76
06/10/2021 10:31 am

They’re Asian because the tradition on AP started out with a specific person who just happens to be Asian.

If Andrew Carroll (who, from what I gather about him, seems to be a very liberal-politics type of person) had posted a popular gif of, say, a Swedish dancer, then the natural take-off trend probably would’ve been Swedish. Or, I dunno, Aussies, or Argentinians. Hell, I hear some folks have done a take-off trend about otters.

Unlike you, I actually do have some hope that someday you might get it. You might get that it’s not about you.

Just because you have some kind of hang-up about Asian women or maybe women in general, that doesn’t mean that everybody else does too. Your own neurotics aren’t everybody’s neurotics.

upamtn
Reply to  Berserker
06/07/2021 4:30 pm

I keep trying and trying to ignore the insanity, but every time I look around there’s MJT or another of DJT’s minions out there spewing Reactionary BS as if it’s “the truth”

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  upamtn
06/10/2021 10:41 am

Because there always have been and always will be people who can’t tell fact from opinion, and who are determined to force everyone around them to have (or at least to express) only the opinions that they happen to like.

People who are so fragile that they need everyone else to agree with them about everything.

But you personally, I think I saw you type somewhere that even though you don’t really care for some pics and gifs and comments, that you don’t let bother you too much, and you’re able to keep on just enjoying the company of people who don’t agree with you about all opinions. That’s great, right there, and that’s the attitude that actually makes for good adult company.

upamtn
Reply to  Berserker
06/10/2021 12:13 pm

yah, but you’re missing one HUGE point by a million miles, Brother … to wit: the Asian Dancing Girls absolutely DO bother SOME folks, and that’s enough (in my mind) to say “stop, just stop with it all” … just because it doesn’t throw ME into a tizzy doesn’t mean it doesn’t bother OTHERS (and it clearly does) and THAT’S not what we’re here for (I mean, it’s ALL opinion, when you get down to it, and that, my friend, is a FACT) … bottom line, I think: sure, if AG is “ok” with offending some folks then sure, let the Asian Dancing go on … me? I’d rather NOT offend other Chiefs fans (or their families/friends

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  upamtn
06/10/2021 12:41 pm

You coddle a small few on one point, then you’re going to coddle a small few on every point. And then you’re going to end up with just one “valid” opinion about any/every thing. That’s been tried over and over and over and it always ends terribly.

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  Berserker
06/12/2021 12:51 am

Nah, my one “point” lies with the over-the-top exploitation of Asian women. The Kwon thing I get, but now it’s at the point where so called “football” threads are just gifs of twerking asian girls. I realize you do get my point, you just choose to dismiss it because you clearly get off on “having your own way”.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Berserker
06/10/2021 11:05 pm

And apparently, those people are you

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  Berserker
06/12/2021 12:44 am

Hey I suppose if you don’t mind marginalizing one particular ethnic group that’s fine. But judging from your comments, you probably have a confederate flag in your basement and won’t allow your daughters to date “colored” folk. You Sir, are definitely a racist, despite how hard you try to mask your “opinions”. Racist and immature. FACT.

upamtn
Reply to  QuackTastic
05/30/2021 11:55 am

Kwon didn’t and doesn’t need saving … and it wasn’t about “her” .,. it was about “freedom of expression” (IMO)

that said, the whole “freedom of speech” thing comes with responsibilities, as do any freedoms

Last edited 12 days ago by upamtn
thehorror
thehorror
05/28/2021 5:27 pm

I know I’m way late to this discussion. I didn’t read all the way through everyone’s thoughts but found most of them to revolve around the culture of this site.
I don’t comment much so I doubt most of you will know me. I followed that other place since the pioli era. I didn’t comment much there either.
With all of that said the reason I followed you all here is because of my interest for the frequent commenters opinions. The dialogue at the other place isn’t worth reading anymore. So it’s just a source for the Chiefs approved main stream media. No real dialogue. Just the kosher data dump of the day.

Anyway rambling. This place is cool because of the objective conversation.

So a couple of things.
The main reason Tony posted this was for ways to gain $.
First off if you start policing at a rate that many of the commenters dislike like the other place. This place will become that place but still not making any money.

My second inclination is sports gambling advertisements. And at least a weekly blog on hawt taeks for a sports bet.
If that Davie patriot prick Portnoy and Pat Mcafee (who I actually like) can do it. You can do it too.
As a 2b Portnoy used scantily clad women to drum up more interest. So if you can’t beat em. Join em.
Sorry to the people who take offense.
It’s business.

Just a thought do with it what you like

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  thehorror
05/28/2021 5:58 pm

I wonder if he could do a sponsored weekly article about betting. I don’t bet, never really have, but if you want to it’s your money to lose. That said, I really REALLY hate sports betting ads. For some reason, they are the most annoying ones I can think of. If the weekly post was sponsored (Name, banner, links), it might draw in money but not detract from the general surfing of the place.
No idea if that would be an option, but Personally I’d prefer blatantly sponsored articles to a jillion ads.

thehorror
thehorror
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/28/2021 6:08 pm

I’m no fan of advertising. And I agree with you on annoying ads. A brought to you by fan duel yada yada would be better. I believe people in sporting news are getting big$$$ out of agreements with those types of groups.
Like I said just thought I’d share. This is a sporting news site. Might as well try to do what everyone else is doing that is working.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  thehorror
05/28/2021 6:12 pm

Don’t be a stranger

thehorror
thehorror
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/28/2021 6:19 pm

Right on brother. I have my opinions on Our beloved. But quite often you all are already debating my thoughts. I’m a bit of a negative of a negative Nancy (Chiefs fan since deberg days). I can at least die now knowing the joy of seeing our guys on the top of the mountain.
Happy Holiday Weekend
Cheers

thehorror
thehorror
Reply to  thehorror
05/28/2021 6:15 pm

1 other point. If Tony is interested I would recommend he watch some you toobs on Portnoy and how he developed barstool. Hard work. But these days it’d probably be less physical labor.
Now is a good time to utilize the growing national interest in the Chiefs.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  thehorror
06/01/2021 4:45 pm

I like everything about this comment. You should comment more often.

Pro tip – Break up one complete thought into several separate comments. That makes commenting mechanically easier for you, plus the seemingly fractured nature of your expressed thoughts will blend in better with the other 99% of the internet.

thehorror
thehorror
Reply to  Berserker
06/01/2021 7:14 pm

Yeah, I saw how crappy my earlier posts read. You’ve got my number though. My thoughts are very fractured. 🤣

thehorror
thehorror
Reply to  Tony Sommer
06/07/2021 10:41 pm

It’s the current trend. I don’t know anything on how you’d go about it but I imagine you just reach out to them and see if you can find a taker. I missed the mayweather/Paul because I forgot all about it. I bet those agencies like any platform they can get to remind dummies to gamble.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Tony Sommer
06/10/2021 10:48 am

Hmm…maybe because gambling sites still tend to host more than their share of malware? I dunno, just a guess, I haven’t gambled online for a very long time.

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  Tony Sommer
06/12/2021 12:55 am

Why don’t you chime in on the asian gif issue Tony. What’s your opinion? Do you think the asian gifs fit in with the identity of the site you wish to have going forward?

d-block
d-block
05/26/2021 6:47 am

Congratulations!

Berserker
Berserker
05/21/2021 11:58 am

Just curious, and maybe it’s buried in the comments but I’m too lazy to read them all, but how much site traffic comes from mobile vs PC?

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/21/2021 5:03 pm

Just thinking that could help guide your site layout. Really, was mostly thinking about the fanpost section being made more visible, but not sure if that would need to be done differently on mobile vs PC versions.

zulu trader
zulu trader
05/20/2021 11:27 am

I got an idea for a new name;

ArrowheadBitches.com

what do you think?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  zulu trader
05/20/2021 11:50 am

Sounds like it should be a Raiders support group site

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/20/2021 10:29 pm

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saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
05/19/2021 9:58 pm

I remember vividly when this site took off. I recall it vividly. . I throw my resume into the fray . I have always wanted a free agency site. I have always dreamed of a Pro Pro Personnel view of things. Free agency is becoming more and more important to building a champion. As far as I can tell, NO one has has took advantage of this market. Vote me up if you want me to corner this market

Chief-Blinders-On
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/19/2021 11:05 pm

Like Walter Football?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Chief-Blinders-On
05/19/2021 11:49 pm

better!

Chief-Blinders-On
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/20/2021 12:09 pm

I have no doubt you could make that work.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/19/2021 11:09 pm

I would be very interested in what you come up with. I always thought of you as a draft resource for the MAC and other non BCS schools.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/19/2021 11:49 pm

mac, con usa,pac 12, swac, meac, I love those smaller schools!

Team Player
Team Player
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/20/2021 12:07 pm

As a Pac-10 alum, I hate to admit that the Pac-12 belong in this group when it comes to football

3rdnlong
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/20/2021 8:10 am

Agreed. I’d read your content, Saints. Plus, there’s the added bonus that sometimes you get controversial which leads to more comments.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
05/21/2021 11:37 am

I feel like I know nothing about free agency season. Mainly because I’m never very sure how good any particular free agent actually is at football (except for Chiefs’ own FAs), and I’m never sure where to look to find out.

There’s no nice, organized, largely un-biased single source of FA player reviews that I know of, like there is for the draft. That’s the big problem with FA, for me. I mean, of course different sites rank FAs in lists, but a list is not even close to a review.

You’ve always got tons of interesting info and viewpoints, I’d love to read your takes on FA.

Last edited 21 days ago by Berserker
Gersidi76
Gersidi76
05/19/2021 1:32 pm

To succeed as a Chiefs site and also generate revenue through things like sponsorships, you are actually going to have to find a way to get more content without relying on re-hashed stuff from twitter and arrowheadaddict. I know that’s a tough ask trying to accomplish this with volunteers, but it is what it is. As for the sponsorship idea, I think in today’s climate you will have a tough time getting companies to put their names on threads that border on pornography. Especially when they focus their mysognistic gaze at one particular demographic of women (asians). Every time I point this out I get told off by actual moderators, which in turn get screenshotted and sent to potential advertisers, Chiefs media office, etc. I don’t bother to complain anymore, but aside from cavemen mouthbreathers, any one with a half a brain can figure out why this is offensive to some people. It’s a football site, not NO M’AAM. If you want to be taken seriously, be mature.

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/19/2021 3:44 pm

Look! Downvotes from anonymous troglodytes.

Plus Name and Plus Name
Plus Name and Plus Name
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/19/2021 5:42 pm

I’m willing to put a name to the downvote if you want.

Mahomesisgreat
Mahomesisgreat
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
05/20/2021 11:06 pm

Me too.

Plus Name and Plus Name
Plus Name and Plus Name
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/19/2021 5:51 pm

You literally contribute nothing. You complain, stir up shit and then leave. You aren’t a regular contributor to the site and clearly don’t like it here. So why even bother coming on?

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
05/19/2021 5:58 pm

He lost all support from me in December. He threatened the whole site and called some of our regulars horrible names. I will fight anyone that treats my internet friends bad.
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upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/19/2021 6:03 pm

yeah, well … from the looks of the gif, you must fight like a girl 😉

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/19/2021 7:49 pm

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MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/19/2021 4:34 pm

Insults aren’t going to gain you any upvotes. I’m downvoting due to the insults and sabotage and not because you taking a stand on an issue you care about.

I have an idea… we could make a G-Rated option for people like Gersidi76, who aren’t mature enough to handle R-Rated content. It just wouldn’t display pictures or gifs in the comments for them, if that is what they want.

AG started because we didn’t want to be censored by a puritan. I’m not sure why you followed us here if you can’t handle it.

Team Player
Team Player
Reply to  MasterChief
05/19/2021 5:17 pm

While harsh, your basic point is correct. There already is an Arrowhead Prude. (Can I trademark that name or copyright it or something by calling dibs?)

This site is not trying to be a clone of that. It should not try that.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  Team Player
05/19/2021 5:58 pm

“Arrowhead Prude” would have been a good nickname for Aly Trost

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  Team Player
05/20/2021 10:49 am

A clone? what, you mean successful?

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  MasterChief
05/20/2021 10:42 am

Crickets from “mangement” on this issue eh? I suppose because management knows that twerking asian girls won’t drum up much sponsorship revenue from business’s other than from strip club owners and people with bumper stickers that say “missing wife and dog. reward for dog”.

The whole premise of this site was a place for the castaways because AP decided to go corporate and had to clamp down on the porn on a football site. It wasn’t enough to start a new site, no, you had to ramp up the porn and get wish Pete dead and try to get him fired. REAL CLASSY.

Now if you find this truth insulting, I don’t know what to tell you. Try being a man with Asian daughters and having them marginalized on a football site. When I raise issue with it, I get mocked. If you can’t see any validity, you lack empathy for others. Or at least the ability to think rationally.

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zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/20/2021 11:31 am

your opinion isn’t really of much value

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  zulu trader
05/20/2021 12:31 pm

But yours is? Perhaps you can take over the site and turn it into a bangbros subsidiary.

Chief-Blinders-On
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/20/2021 12:37 pm

He did recommend the name Arrowhead Bitches. 🙂

If your gripe is making this place more friendly, why bring up a place like Bangbros? Obviously there’s a big difference between this place and a site like that.

upamtn
Reply to  Chief-Blinders-On
05/20/2021 12:40 pm

and then every Halloween it can be Arrowhead Witches … yanno, we could be on to something here

Chief-Blinders-On
Reply to  upamtn
05/20/2021 12:43 pm

Can’t tell the sponsors, otherwise it’d be Arrowhead Snitches.

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MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Chief-Blinders-On
05/20/2021 12:53 pm

Arrowhead Itches: Jock itch remedy sponsorships galore!

Team Player
Team Player
Reply to  MasterChief
05/20/2021 4:34 pm

Keeping me in Arrowhead Stitches 😂

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  Team Player
05/20/2021 5:01 pm

I knew I could come up with a good idea!

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
05/20/2021 9:34 pm

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AndyReidStach
AndyReidStach
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/22/2021 10:31 pm

whats Bangbros? I’m being serious.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  AndyReidStach
05/23/2021 2:06 pm

Porn video group.
Or so I hear.

AndyReidStach
AndyReidStach
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/24/2021 11:46 pm

Crazy. That must have been a random web address then.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/20/2021 11:50 am

Porn? Seriously? Risqué, is probably more accurate. Sometimes we do go over the top, but those are the risks of Freedom of Speech. That was the basis for this site, which is why we like it here instead of another place. Evidently you are unable to understand this. Maybe you should stay where you are comfortable instead of coming here and insulting people for expressing their honest opinions.

upamtn
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/20/2021 11:54 am

to be fair, he’s allowed to express his honest opinion as well … as he should

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  upamtn
05/20/2021 11:59 am

I am fine with differing opinions, but he can’t give an opinion without insulting and namecalling.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  upamtn
05/20/2021 12:01 pm

True enough, but he is attacking us. All of us. If he doesn’t like us “maybe” he should try staying where he is comfortable.

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/20/2021 12:30 pm

I am not attacking anyone. Unless you think differing opinions to yours are attacks. When I brought up the fact that my daughters were asians a year ago, not only were people not understanding, they went out of their way to post MORE asian girls twerking to spite me. Now that’s an attack.

My original OP wasn’t an attack. It was my opinion and also FACT. If you think borderline underage asian girls twerking posted 30 times in 10 minutes is going to attract attention from serious investors, then you are delusional. Fact.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/20/2021 1:01 pm

I don’t have a problem with your opinions, it’s how you are presenting them. I don’t post girls or women in compromising photos, and sometimes they do make me feel uncomfortable. Zulu’s post below is an example, but I’m adult enough to just move on, not attack this site for allowing it. Regarding investors, that will be Tony’s decision on how to attract them. This comment along with others you have made isn’t going to get you anywhere here.

 but aside from cavemen mouthbreathers, any one with a half a brain can figure out why this is offensive to some people. 

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/20/2021 1:02 pm

“cavemen mouthbreathers”

“troglodytes”

“anyone with half a brain”

“screenshotted and sent to potential advertisers, Chiefs media office, etc.”

You did insult the regulars here and you are threatening to hamper the survival of this site. If you really hate AG, go away.

If you love AG and want it to improve, how about providing some content that you approve of? How about writing privately to management with a sincere tone that won’t immediately turn them off?

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MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  upamtn
05/20/2021 12:08 pm

True, but it’s as annoying as someone complaining about the greed of Walmart, as they ring up all their Walmart crap. No one forced them to go to Walmart.

He literally logs in to a website he doesn’t like so he can complain.

If he wants to make a point about his Asian daughters, it’s a valid point, especially with new management making new decisions. But to come in here and insult everyone isn’t going to help his cause at all. Then the fact he proactively goes around to possible sponsors to precomplain is fucking foolish and he should be banned.

Chief-Blinders-On
Reply to  MasterChief
05/20/2021 12:20 pm

Not everyone is going to like the site. Or the GIFS. And it’s easy to point out the worst parts about this place and say that it is all that Arrowhead Guys is, but looking around. It’s a lot of the same people that hung out around AP years ago.

I wasn’t a part of the faction that left AP and formed this place. I like the feel that this place has and the camaraderie mixed with our memories about the Chiefs past and all of things we’ve bickered about over the years. It makes AG a unique place. If any parent is sitting at a phone or computer and child walks up and see the content. I suppose that could be an issue, but I think that’s a lot of sites of the Internet. Have you ever scrolled down Twitter, Facebook or Youtube and caught a racy ad? Parents have to be careful around their children and the Internet. But I wouldn’t think that AG was really a kids place.

I think Chiefs fans should be able to pick a part this site in a post like this. It’s a good thing. And ultimately, it’s going to be up to Tony how this place is moderated.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  upamtn
05/21/2021 11:46 am

But nobody is free to use other people just to fuel their outrage addiction.

upamtn
Reply to  Berserker
05/21/2021 2:48 pm

agreed … though we DO have (or HAVE had) some AG’s who do exactly that same thing … WE (using the editorial we in this case) aren’t always as innocent as WE would like to think … it’s a slippery slope to be sure

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  upamtn
05/21/2021 5:08 pm

Yep. But very very few use social interaction exclusively for that. Or even more than about…say, 5% of the time? Or am I being too optimistic there?

Mahomesisgreat
Mahomesisgreat
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/20/2021 11:16 pm

Freedom of speech. Exactly. That is why I’m here, and I don’t agree with this guy on virtually anything else. Except the Chiefs, of course.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Mahomesisgreat
05/21/2021 8:29 am

Actually, Free Speech isn’t the issue. At all.
It’s business. That’s it. What does Tony want his new site to be?
Private clubhouse? Small, dedicated following? A place where guys can go and post stuff that they probably wouldn’t/couldn’t on other sites or their personal pages? A place that rehashes Chiefs news from other places and we talk about it?
Then make no changes & keep doing what we’ve been doing. All’s good. The regulars stay happy & work load remains the same.
A more public site? Larger following & increased traffic? Grow to the point where we might have actual access to the Chiefs & Arrowhead One? A place where Chiefs stories break rather than just a morning round up of other peoples work?
Then the dancing gifs are a problem. The Chiefs are never going to formally recognize a site that posts those after every win. Grow big enough & keep them, and they will likely condemn us instead.
As Upamtn said, it’s about being professional. If this is going to remain a hobby site, no need to look at the issue at all. If not, well, it can’t stay the same.
Again, it’s not my site or my call. Tony can do as he wishes, but he WILL have to choose a path, and if he chooses the latter, don’t go on about free speech or censorship or “going cooperate” or “being woke” or any other silly dodge you might have to deflect the fact that, in the business world, you have to make choices for what’s best for your business. Objectifying one particular group is rarely good for business, anymore.
Feel free to downvote. Won’t change the fact that it’s true.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/21/2021 10:42 am

This is a solid argument and certainly should be considered by Tony. Much different from the outsider that comes here and slams AG. Disagree with your take on Free Speech, it’s always the issue in this Country. The Constitution is always being challenged. It’s a fine line between our freedoms and being controlled. The Asian situation is huge and I wouldn’t have a problem with restricting those posts in support of our Asian friends and neighbors.

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probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/21/2021 10:44 am

By the way, I took a DV away. We’ll probably both get a few now. 🤣

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/21/2021 11:03 am

Thanks. Those hurt my soul. 🙂

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/21/2021 11:12 am

I’m sure on some level it does cramp someone’s freedom to post what they want, but my point is in THIS case, that is not what should be being focused on. Not that it’s not occurring, just not what needs to be focused on. It’s tricky, I know. I don’t envy his position, but we, as friends who are glad he’s taking this on for us, should be willing to abide by his choice for his site without screaming we’re being infringed.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/21/2021 11:52 am

So a person tells themselves they aren’t “going corporate” or “being woke,” that instead they are just catering to people who are going corporate or being woke…for business.

I’m sure if you asked those customers you’re catering to, they’d mostly insist that they aren’t corporate or woke either. They’re just in business.

I wonder how many really real corporate/woke customers there are, and how many people just act corporate and woke for business reasons.

Silly dodge, indeed.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Berserker
05/21/2021 2:17 pm

Glad you agree it’s silly.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/21/2021 5:16 pm

Really, the business decision that needs to be made is, do you think that you’ll be more successful by following or by not following?

It’s a pretty difficult decision business-wise, because the right answer is going to be different depending on the stage the business is in and lots of other current circumstances. The same business might need to choose differently from one day to the next.

But on a personal level, not following is the only answer that will never leave you feeling dirty.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Berserker
05/21/2021 10:52 pm

You are correct in pointing out that there is more than one way to be successful. There seem to be three basic choices in this case.
1) Conform to “normal” sports coverage – lose the dancing girls, limit political discussions entirely, focus on The Chiefs almost to the exclusion of everything else.
2) Conform but broaden the content: Allow but confine politics & touchy subjects (it amazes me how civilly we discuss religion. Kudos, everyone) to OT sections, possibly restricting access to members only, but the main focus would be the Chiefs. You’d likely still lose the gifs.
3) Wide open: Gifs stay, discuss what you want when you want, have at it.
All of these can work & I think we can agree that only Tony knows what would be considered “successful”, but #1 he’s already said he doesn’t want. #2 sounds more like what he’s hoping for to me, but I could be wrong there. #3 can work, but my guess is you have to REALLY cross the line and push the limits to stand out & make a name for yourself. It can work. It will limit options for revenue & almost assures no direct Chiefs access.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/22/2021 6:45 pm

Personally I like #2. In theory, anyway. Maybe it would actually work in the long run, but….well, you and I both know that some people would join the members’ “safe space” (heh, irony) not to join in but just to attack and attempt to bully. Of course there aren’t very many jerks like that, relatively, but it only takes one turd to stink up the whole situation, as we see exemplified in a very obvious way right here on this page.

As far as options 1 vs 3, usually running with the herd is successful only for an already-established outfit, and/or somebody who has tons of resources to burn in order to keep up with the other already-established members of the herd. Start-ups usually need to go with option 3, for a while. Not saying that has to be or should be Kwon gifs, but they need some competitive advantage, which by definition is something that sets one apart. You could say that, in a way, conformity is a luxury that only the rich can afford.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Berserker
05/22/2021 8:12 pm

I also see option 2 as the most likely way this plays out & agree that there will be those who will fight any changes tooth & nail. I’d like to think that we have become a community and would pull together to help Tony, what ever his choices are, but… We can hope, I guess.
I don’t think that the “members only” section would be that big a deal. I’d think all you have to do is be a registered member of AG to get in, like you have to to post. The point being that if someone complained about the content, the site could point to a disclaimer you have to sign first stating that this section is not strictly monitored by any AG staff. It might give the site some cover and allow the “freedom” folks some latitude.
Maybe we can come up with another hook, something different, that wouldn’t alienate the organization we “cover”. I mean, when you get right down to it, the gifs are just a shtick , a thing we do. There has to be something else we could do after wins. Otters? Nah, been done.

Mahomesisgreat
Mahomesisgreat
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/21/2021 5:42 pm

You are missing my point. What I am getting at is that I am here because this site allows much more open communication and less restriction than that other one. That is all. If that changes, I’ll leave, and you won’t miss me one bit, if your predictions are correct. It really doesn’t matter to me, as long as there are a variety of sites to choose from.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Mahomesisgreat
05/21/2021 11:04 pm

No, I get your point. My point is your point isn’t THE point, it’s only YOUR point. It very well might be the thing that makes you stay or leave, but the real point is, again, What does Tony want from HIS site and what changes (if any) need to be made to get it there?
I’m not saying your point isn’t something to consider. It’s just not the real issue.

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/21/2021 6:48 pm

That’s exactly what I sad in my OP but got belittled for it. The irony here is most people who have reponded and got upset about my opinion are missing the point entirely. I gave my opinion. I work in a professional, corporate environment. Just because my opinion is different from yours, doesn’t make it, nor should it, be offensive. Did I call anyone in particular a mouthbreather? No.

I suggest people re-read this article. Clearly this site isn’t working to managements satisfaction. They are looking for ideas to generate revenue, and to expand, because clearly the old way wasnt working. Sure it’s great if you like talking beer and girls and politics in game threads. Nothing wrong with that. However, judging by this article, they are looking to go in anew direction. I am simply pointing out that without more moderation and guidelines, achieving more mainstream success will be impossible.

You can argue this point all you like, but to dismiss me as being miserable or hateful is ignoring the problem.

If someone in an office can’t view gameday threads because of NFSW work gifs, how do you suppose youll ever get sponsorships? And yes, they are NFSW. I am sure there are plenty of women in offices everywhere who find grown men oggling young girls offensive as they walk by your cubicle on the way to the water cooler.

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upamtn
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/21/2021 11:07 pm

I’m just gonna say I hear ya and you have a lot of valid points …

… as to “what happens now” that’s for Tony to decide … no clue if he really wants it to change “just for the revenue” or if he’s ok with it “as is” or if he wants to “tweak it”

I guess we shall see … I’m hoping for some kind of “happy balance” between This Is Our Blog and Chiefs Content (a la The Other Place) … personally, it’s not that I find the dancing girls “offensive” (definitely “borderline soft porn”) but rather it’s so overblown (reactionary) that it’s totally ridiculous … I get how it started, but now it’s (often) like “hey, look what I can post neener neener” like a bunch of little kids w/o a clue, doing something just to do it

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  upamtn
05/22/2021 6:59 pm

How about if posters don’t get the popular reaction they’re hoping for with their posts, regardless whether those posts are gifs or anything else, then the posters will just naturally move on from those and try something new instead?

Democracy? Or, capitalism? Maybe even both at the same time?

upamtn
Reply to  Berserker
05/25/2021 11:36 pm

LOL … moved on? since when has anyone “moved on” from the “Dancing Asian Girls” gifs? really?

DUDE! if anyone HAD moved on, we likely wouldn’t be having this conversation … again, I don’t find them as “offensive” as some, but I do find them ridiculously annoying

and here I’ll offer up a quote from one of my all-time favorite players, RB Marcus Allen (remember him?) … the guy who, when he scored a TD would QUIETLY hand the ball to the referee and head back to the bench, no fist pumping, no stupid dancing, no taunting, no ridiculous “look what I did” celebration … instead he lived up to his motto: “Act as if you’ve been there before”

one of the STUPIDEST things (IMO) a player can do is go off on some wild “endzone dance” whatever when his team is LOSING … I’m like “Dude, get a clue, it’s still a TEAM SPORT and you haven’t won anything yet”

IOW: Stay Classy, Kansas City

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Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  upamtn
05/27/2021 12:23 pm

Yeah, but we’re not players. We are here literally just to celebrate. Now a lot of us do that by writing a lot of very thoughtful words and doing some excellently analytical articles about the game… But still, for fans, those are just different ways to celebrate.

Hey, remember sexassassin? I bet you and I are among a very few who still do.

upamtn
Reply to  Berserker
05/27/2021 1:22 pm

yah, I recall the name, don’t think he and I had many (if any) deep interactions, but I definitely remember the name

AndyReidStach
AndyReidStach
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/23/2021 12:18 am

I work in a professional, corporate environment. Just because my opinion is different from yours

Sudden
Sudden
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/26/2021 11:32 pm

Long time since I’ve been on here and certainly late to this thread but I’ll throw in my thoughts.

This discussion makes for some strange bedfellows. Those who know my commenting history may not expect me to be sympathetic to your case as I’m a bit incendiary and have a deep antipathy to wokeness. But I’m also a bit prudish (which may surprise) and I fully understand the discomfort of the blast of sexually suggestive kpop gifs (and I have some deeply rooted criticisms of kpop and its cultural influence to go with it).

The demure and iconic dancing Kwon I’ll defend to the death. But yes, the threads do get a bit over the top with the images at times. And I can empathize with someone having a discomfort over sexual fetishization of their community. Rest assured that yours isn’t the only one where that’s concerned. Sex and by extension porn and sexually suggestive material is a weapon.

upamtn
Reply to  Sudden
05/27/2021 9:50 am

Sudden! good to seeya, glad ya checked in and totally agree with your reasoned assessment …

(someone left a “downvote” which is ridiculous: I’m really at a point where I loathe that whole +/- thing … it’s like we can’t have differing opinions w/o being judged, and that’s BS)

here, you’ve EARNED this …
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Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  upamtn
05/27/2021 12:25 pm

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MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/20/2021 11:59 am

I don’t think you understand what porn is. I bet you can’t go to the beach, pool, club, concert, or movie without being offended by all the “porn” around you. Actual porn exists out there, but that doesn’t mean you have to go to their website. If this is porn to you (and you don’t like that kind of thing), then don’t come here. No one is forcing you to sign in and read the comments at AG.

This is CLEARLY a Rated-R site, although Rated-R movies often have much more horrible things than anything you see here. If you can’t handle it, I have another option for you: https://www.chiefs.com/kids/

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  MasterChief
05/20/2021 12:02 pm

This is a PG-13 site that has adult language. But I know I used all the bad words when I was 13.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/20/2021 12:11 pm

Oh, you’re right! Rated-R movies can show actual nakedness.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/26/2021 3:01 pm

I didn’t leave AP over adult content filtering. I left AP over comment filtering. When they decided to halt commenting on stories about Hunt that was the last straw for me. What good is a format based on user commenting and expression when users are not allowed to comment or express themselves?

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/20/2021 10:30 am

By looks of these responses, I expect another “under new management” post next year.

pompano
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/20/2021 1:31 pm

I agree that some of the gifs/pics go a little far, but the vast majority are clips from pop star concerts and videos that are published in the mainstream by willing, paid participants. While I appreciate your perspective, I’m not sure who is being marginalized.
The whole Asian thing was because of the Kwon gif. It was a gag the people ran with. Also, folks have been warned when they get too close to the NSFW line, so while it is an issue I think you are blowing it out of proportion.
My 2 cents.

pompano
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/20/2021 1:41 pm

FYI none of the DVs are from me.

Team Player
Team Player
Reply to  pompano
05/20/2021 4:36 pm

Not me. Although a block function would be amazing.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  Team Player
05/20/2021 5:03 pm

G76 is a real tool

Gersidi76
Gersidi76
Reply to  zulu trader
05/20/2021 5:32 pm

You know what a good tool is? A VPN and 50 burner accounts. Someone with a chip could carry the Asian gifs too far.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  Gersidi76
05/20/2021 7:13 pm

More threats
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zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  Severely Concussed
05/20/2021 9:30 pm

he’s just a silly fuck

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Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
Reply to  zulu trader
05/20/2021 10:32 pm

Easy with the fully clothed pornography there, pal.

larch
05/19/2021 11:57 am

Recurring theme here is MORE CHIEFS CONTENT, and I agree. Where does it come from? Us. Fanposts or committing to a weekly thought in two or three paragraphs. Doesn’t need to be fancy analytics. Shouldn’t have to be polished prose. Time is precious and many have little to spare. But what is AG worth to you? Are you fixated on the D Secondary? Write stuff about the Chiefs’ players. Same for any position group. Tony mentions how AG is bidirectional but this needs to be more proactive by us users for AG to thrive. BRaG is very helpful for spitballing ideas and format. I know because he’s helping me get something regular going, admittedly not football related but I’m already on record saying football is job one here but not the only subject of interest in a diverse community. I’m here now to offer my help as an editor WRT grammar, syntax, dotting i’s or spitballing ideas. There’s a lot to editing and BRaG is busy doing this alone along with scheduling content and contributing posts. I’m not trying to steal his thunder, just trying to pitch in as best I can. AG is worth it. We all need to step up if we can in whatever way and time frame we can.

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larch
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/19/2021 12:51 pm

Yes. And folks shouldn’t be worried about writing style and grammatical finish. There’s help to be had with that if wanted, hope I’m not speaking out of turn on this, that’s why I’m offering to help with that. There’s no right or wrong way to write, just try getting some thoughts down in draft and see where it takes you.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  larch
05/19/2021 9:39 pm

Oh, there’s help alright, and you aren’t talking out of turn. I always do my best to help a writer best showcase their writing, and I have a lot I can teach in that regard.

Larch will confirm that I’m not difficult to work with as an editor if asked, I’m sure of that. My pride comes from the progress those that I edit make, over time. Anything I can (reasonably) do to help a budding writer, I will.

I also have never done anything to alter the core of anyone’s message. My voice does not belong in someone else’s work, but I do adjust wording when it helps sell a point being made better. Yes, even if I disagree with the point and the post’s message overall, that’s what I do. The one time I tapped out was because it was something I had argued against not long before, and I was still het up enough that I couldn’t risk working with it. So I recused, to avoid the risk.

Mahomesisgreat
Mahomesisgreat
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/18/2021 5:39 pm

I would love to see coverage of the CFL. It is an interesting league that most of us don’t know a ton about.

larch
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/19/2021 1:01 pm

Although I’m an Ontarian I lost touch with the CFL a couple decades ago and have no interest in rekindling that. Sorry. However, I do think the CFL is worth including if possible here at AG. Think about Bud Grant and Marv Levy – 8 SB appearances between them and both honed their craft in the CFL. Then there’s Warren Moon amongst others, Doug Flutie too. And if anyone’s interested I recommend looking up QB Damon Allen’s stats. You think his brother Marcus was special? So there’s bound to be some angles and storylines sourced in the CFL.

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/19/2021 10:10 am

Make it so, number 1.

upamtn
05/18/2021 11:02 am

major grats, Tony … hoping the “new management” will be bringing back “Science Saturdays” (not sure about others, but I for one loved those!) next, Nova hit on some things that have run thru my own mind since AG started … 1) seems to me AG was started as a REACTION to a “gif ban” or some similar BS, and the gifs here on AG since are actually annoying (look, I’m as open as anyone to just about anything, but often it seems like “the dancing girls soft porn club picture and movie revue” instead of a “football blog” 2) professionalism … and often it appears as if AG has a lack of that (which is “ok” because most of us aren’t here because of or because of a LACK OF that) … but you mentioned revenue, and one way to get revenue is to get “picked up” or “featured” by outside news conglomerates (Google & Yahoo) … in fact, some months ago was thinking how awesome it would be for more AG content to be featured by outside sources, but when I got to AG and opened whatever the “content du jour” was the LACK of professionalism blew my head off (the subtitle/reference of the story was along the lines of “Chiefs do this or that while Raiders play in Toilet Bowl” … bottom line, in my mind, was that NOBODY would pick up and use ANYTHING like that (if I was an editor and wanted various outside content, this would likely be the LAST place I’d go) … now, that said, not all content here is (or has been) like that, not even close, but the point remains valid 3) I think the current software is just fine: commenting section, etc … I see no issues with it, or the layout (although fanposts are a bit hard to find on the side) … I know it’s been a “work in progress” and it will be for … well, forever, as most things of this type usually are, constantly changing and evolving 4) be good to yourself first …… Read more »

Simtex
Simtex
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/18/2021 5:13 pm

I would argue the question worth asking is should they be on the front page at all? If it’s not primary team news I personally don’t think it should. If I’m just joe user looking for some chiefs content that maybe I missed online the last thing I want to see or care about are the OT post. Someone used the term professionalism. Removing that type of content from the home page would go along way imo. We don’t really need to have a functional world class editor but just someone keeping us up to date with what the team is doing would be great.

upamtn
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/18/2021 9:59 pm

agreed

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/19/2021 9:53 pm

Who’s going to do it, though? Not me, I’m not even running at a high enough level to do all of my job properly.

The perils of having a head case as the managing editor, but if not me, then who?

Chief-Blinders-On
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/19/2021 10:05 pm

I know I can help with the editing duties if we go over what each post needs to have and how to align stuff. But I like the way you do it, I think that content request is fair for daily pars. I’m putting together a post about that and other AG things right now. I’m willing to write some more Chiefs posts. But am I the right person to do that? What are we wanting to read?

I know the GIFs are a big thing too, I don’t have any problem with it. I get the argument for and against it and things like the name of the site. I like AG, I like some of the graphics made for the name. Even in Tony’s new videos with Mitko or the graphic for the open thread. The AG stuff looks good.

I’m not a film breakdown guy, I’m not MN, BJ, PA or Joel or PS. I like to write about the Chiefs, I’m a crazy fan and I think I can help Tony add a little content and I happen to like the way the managing editor does things.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  upamtn
05/18/2021 4:50 pm

I like the movie revues but don’t have much use for Science Saturdays. Everyone here has different interests, and honestly how much football can we talk about during the off-season? Especially since someone here doesn’t like hypotheticals. 😉

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upamtn
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/18/2021 10:03 pm

I hear ya, at least in theory … yah, we all like our BBQ a lil bit different than the guy we’re often sitting down to dinner with, but that’s part of the charm of AG, no? I mean, hypothetically …

and yeah, I pretty much loathe the off-season stuff

Give Me Game Days or Give Me BBQ! (TBH, both would be preferred)

3rdnlong
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/18/2021 10:07 pm

Not a big fan of the Science Saturday’s. If you have to keep them, make it at least apply to football, like why different helmets are better at preventing concussions or something.

Because, this is first and foremost a Chiefs’ site. Not a science, military history, etc. site. If some Chiefs’ fan here studied 18th century French poetry or 3rd century Arian dentistry, I guess that’s fine if he likes it but he should keep that to himself. I could write articles on various non-Chiefs things too, but that doesn’t mean they should be posted here at Arrowhead Guys.

upamtn
Reply to  3rdnlong
05/18/2021 10:52 pm

fair enough … we all like different things (and I like the “football helmets” idea for a science post)

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  3rdnlong
05/19/2021 9:58 pm

Slight correction: The mission of this site is to provide a home to this community of Chiefs fans. That’s how it started and if anyone changes it to more of an AP model, I’ll resign on the spot. I’m in this to serve a community I care a great deal about, and I have expended a lot of time and effort to do just that.

If we’re going to drop the community and become a business that doesn’t care about that, I’m out. O-U-T out.

3rdnlong
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/20/2021 8:13 am

It doesn’t have to be a business, and the community matters. That said, it is a Chiefs’ fan site, and not a site where 75% of the posts are about things other than the Chiefs.

pompano
Reply to  3rdnlong
05/20/2021 1:37 pm

It is what we make of it. kcchiefs.com is all chiefs, all the time, I prefer a mix, ignore posts you don’t care about, they are often my favorite things about the site.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  probablyamistake
05/18/2021 10:41 pm

Personally, I liked the Science Saturdays. It’d be great if the continued as maybe an off-season, once a month feature. Weekly would be way too much work.

Chief-Blinders-On
Reply to  NovaChiefs
05/18/2021 10:45 pm

I also like the Science Saturday. I think it’s impossible to stay on the Chiefs all of the time. A Chiefs blog should have a ton of Chiefs content though. But this specific Chiefs blog (IMO), just needs enough content to keep the comments flowing. Some of the disagreements are part of the charm, but I’ve read a ton of good points and counterpoints in this post about all of these issues.

One thing I’m wondering is how many time do you have to rec a post to change the color?

upamtn
Reply to  Chief-Blinders-On
05/18/2021 10:50 pm

how many time do you have to rec a post to change the color?

I’m an “editor” and even I have no clue … used to be 3 recs turned greenish … but haven’t seen that in awhile, so … yeah, been wondering what happened to that particular feature

Chief-Blinders-On
Reply to  upamtn
05/18/2021 11:01 pm

Other than that, I don’t really see any issues with the commenting platform or a need for it to be updated or re-done. I think it works okay.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  Chief-Blinders-On
05/18/2021 11:34 pm

More than two, apparently

Knightwolfbr
Reply to  Chief-Blinders-On
05/19/2021 7:37 am

That code got removed during another update. I have been trying to figure out how to get it back. For those that understand coding:

The original code was javascript written to check the number of upvotes and then mark the comment green. It was written on the browser side though so it would only store the “should it be green?” information in the users browser. It would make more sense to store this on the server side so that this is already determined before the page loads. This will require PHP coding of which I do not know. If anybody has tips, I am all ears.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  Knightwolfbr
05/19/2021 8:29 am

You do a heck of a job Knightwolf. Thanks.

upamtn
Reply to  Knightwolfbr
05/19/2021 6:06 pm

thanks, Knight … now we know (not much, but we know something) … I wish “code” was my thing, if so I’d help

also, we very much appreciate ALL that you do around here

upamtn
Reply to  Knightwolfbr
05/19/2021 6:08 pm

https://www.w3schools.com/php/default.asp

how hard can it be, right? (yeah, right!)

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
05/19/2021 9:51 pm

WRT any lack of professionalism and fluff pieces, I can only put out what’s available. I never liked doing fluff pieces last season, but I was doing my damnedest to keep the schedule rolling at the expected volume. At the end of the season, basically, Dan and Nate both bowed out.

Find me enough writers to be more of a producer of original Chiefs content, and I’ll be more than happy to oblige. For now, would you prefer me to schedule nothing at all instead of filler where folks can at least gather and talk? Personally, I think it would be less professional to leave blanks on a regular basis than to find a way to provide something, at least.

Simtex
Simtex
05/18/2021 9:24 am

Im also a transport from the other place but if I have to be honest the biggest issue this site has is lack of actual chiefs news. There are more post and comments of random music videos or random topic conversations than an actual news related to the chiefs. The format of the site isn’t bad and I believe the best feature of the site is it’s twitter feed. Too many OT treads going on about stuff that doesn’t really matter in relation to the chiefs. It has become more of a bubble hangout for people that are already here and not much to offer on expansion. Finding writers to create more post on chiefs news throughout the day 2-3 post even if they are opinion topics would go a long way to expanding the base. IMHO

3rdnlong
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/18/2021 10:12 pm

I can add some humorous things. Or poetic takes on games or other events. I have done a few (see my draft post for Baltimore for humor and I know I posted a poetic take before the conference championships.)

I don’t know how much time I’d have but I could do some.

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MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  3rdnlong
05/18/2021 11:06 pm

I, for one, would love that. Dave’s articles… they always had a lot of humor and wit.

3rdnlong
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/19/2021 8:55 am

Ok. You got my email. Let’s figure something out.

3rdnlong
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/20/2021 10:39 am

Hey Tony. So, I’m trying to write a poem now and running into a format issue. For each line of the poem, it’s adding an extra space when I hit the ‘enter’ (or ‘return’) key, as if it was a whole new paragraph. But I don’t want that… It doesn’t fit the format for a poem. Can you help me here?

3rdnlong
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/20/2021 1:13 pm

Ok. Thanks. Filed away in my mind.

3rdnlong
Reply to  Tony Sommer
05/20/2021 5:46 pm

So, Tony, I fanposted a poem. That’s what I got right now.

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  3rdnlong
05/21/2021 5:08 pm

“The Chiefs wear red,
The Donkeys wear blue.
O Lombardi Trophy,
We’re coming for you.”

Tip your waitresses. But not too far, or they may spill your drinks.

Last edited 21 days ago by Nasrani
larch
05/18/2021 6:50 am

”the future’s so bright…”

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larch
05/17/2021 10:05 pm

Re the site name: I’ve read the convos below and I’ve landed on don’t change it. “Guys” has become a generic term, one of my sisters-in-law uses it all the time when referring to mixed company – although she may not be the best example as she, like her twin, finds no humour in Monty Python. Fact is, I also use “guys” generically a lot. And BRaG’s points about the downside of changing the name hold water.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
05/17/2021 9:53 pm

Wait. Tony has taken over for Tony?

Congrats Mr. Summer.

I think what this place needs is a steward. Brag said something over the weekend that made me happy. He was trying to schedule content to be released stragically. One person in charge of scheduling would allow the content to flow regularly.

I would suggest daily morning huddles, a midday open thread (pompano has been doing fine), the evening open thread, and the Brag afternight open thread.

Then once a day I would hope that an original Chiefs piece could be posted. Be it a regular contributor or featured fanpost. It seems some days we used to get 5 Chiefs posts (probably too many for one day) and others we would get zero.

I wish I had the time to commit to doing a daily thing here. I have had fun doing my mock draft posts.

And please don’t quit your day job. This is a fun place to hang out, but I don’t want you to feel life pressures if you are scrambling to pay your bills. I have no issues with the current commenting system so I wouldn’t sink any money into fixing what ain’t broke.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
05/17/2021 8:51 pm

SIAP

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  SCKSChief
05/17/2021 9:04 pm

SIAP? Nice find, though. I think a lot of the whole “Veach is a bad GM” thing comes down to one pick that didn’t work out, and a different approach to finding players for the team. I really like his strategy of picking up former high-round picks who didn’t live up to previous expectations, but still show promise, on the cheap. That’s an extremely low-risk, high-reward move, and given the way The Reid Culture works, they come in to a situation where everyone wants to make him the best player they can be, and finding ways they can adjust to make the best use of their skills and talents.

While not everyone works out and some may do better elsewhere, if you know you’re a salvage product and you can’t succeed in Andy’s system, you might want to consider another career.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
05/17/2021 9:32 pm

Overall Veach has done a really masterful job, but i will still yell METCALF!!!! everytime Hardman drops a pass.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
05/17/2021 8:28 pm

Not sure why this headline, but I like where the overall info is going.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
05/17/2021 8:07 pm

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