Wednesday Night Open Thread: Potential Backup Quarterback Shane Buechele Returns To Chiefs

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upamtn
03/15/2023 11:09 pm

please can we supply Poland and Slovakia will send MIGs to Ukraine with some of our whatevers as replacements whlie we continue to upgrade (also we need to upgrade the MIGs with AMRAAMs

as per Asso Press: Poland has been using the fighter jets since 1989 and has 28 of them. It has been replacing them with U.S.-made F-16s and South Korean FA 50 multi-task jets and is also purchasing U.S. F-35 fighters

(see? it’s good for American businesses!)

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 11:00 pm

I was concerned enough about Brown I stayed up for 3 hours past bedtime

not really

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 11:00 pm

more remeniscing

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 11:01 pm

I know what you mean … ahhh the old daze

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 11:03 pm

yep Memories

happy or haunting

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 11:10 pm

or both at once

upamtn
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 11:12 pm

an old friend from KC may (most likely will) visit Colorado this summer (with her 3 teenage grandkids) for some camping, etc … been 25 yrs … can’t wait & scared to death

upamtn
03/15/2023 10:58 pm

ok, this is gonna sound crazy, but maybe (just maybe) Veach has “a plan” (even if none of us have a clue what it is) but let’s pretend that Taylor (by default and money) is LT, Thuney LG, Creed C, Pancake RG, Kinnard RT (just thinking out loud) …

maybe Thuney LT, Pancake LG, Creed C, Kinnard RG, Taylor RT (hey, it could happen) … Kinnard & Smith: The Pancake Brothers

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 10:13 pm

Chiefs 2024 comp pick projections (s0 far)
5th (Wylie)
5th(Thornhill)
6th (Saunders)

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 10:54 pm

meh … ok I guess, could be better *shrug* is what it is … do we lose one to the Jags (or wherever Taylor’s from)

BKSchief
BKSchief
03/15/2023 10:09 pm

I think it was a mistake paying Taylor like a LT. Dude was a bad RT, like worst in the league, before 2022. I’m sure Brown wasn’t settling for what he got from Cincy from us, rightfully so. It is what it is but I think kc will regret letting brown walk and overpaying Taylor

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BKSchief
03/15/2023 10:16 pm

Chiefs have taken some risks in FA. I hope they pan out

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 10:19 pm

Losing Brown and Thornhill will be regrettable, I fear

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  BKSchief
03/15/2023 10:39 pm

Thornhill is already replaced, Brown took himself out with his not really ready for prime time agent, so sad…

as for Taylor, he is 25 an ascending in play

remember he played for Jax and was a equal in pass blocking to Brown, Taylor will get help from Thuney just like Brown

the run blocking is not all that important on the Left side and was said that the Chiefs RPO’s will be more effective with Taylor

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 10:45 pm

FWIW, PFF graded Brown as a better pass blocker last year and every year before. He was substantially better at run blocking. Make no mistake, as it stands right now, KC downgraded at LT.

We don’t have a centerfield FS anywhere near the talent level and experience in this defense as Thornhill.

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Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  BKSchief
03/15/2023 10:48 pm

it was cause Brown said no

not cause the Chiefs did not tell him what he was worth

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  BKSchief
03/15/2023 10:50 pm

and as stated we could still trade up and get a rookie LT that would surpass both Brown and Taylor

the LT spot is covered as best as we could when Brown said NO

Plus Name and Plus Name
Plus Name and Plus Name
Reply to  BKSchief
03/15/2023 11:11 pm

I must be taking crazy pills here. The Chiefs had to structure their entire blocking scheme around OBJ’s inability to win one on ones. Jet McKinnon had to essentially be on OBJ’s hip to keep Mahomes from getting murdered out there. What are we talking about?

upamtn
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 11:14 pm

in his defense, he DID do some clever locker room videos

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
03/16/2023 5:18 am

Your eyes deceive you

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 10:07 pm

anyone know the guarantied money?

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 10:10 pm

At least $31m per his signing bonus. Haven’t seen guarantees yet

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BKSchief
03/15/2023 10:20 pm

I would have matched that offer. We at least know what Brown is (no matter how limited) at LT. We have NO idea what James is at LT. And with half a billion dollars behind center, I don’t think that is a gamble I want to take. I was waiting to see what Brown got before I gave a definitive opinion on the James signing, but I feel like KC got the short end of the stick on this one. I would take Brown at that price all day over what we spent on James

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 10:23 pm

Agreed. Brown was well worth what they gave Taylor, especially considering the lack of seeing Taylor play LT pretty much ever, even in college. Big and imo unnecessary risk

Plus Name and Plus Name
Plus Name and Plus Name
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 11:12 pm

I don’t imagine it’s much of a gamble really. At the end of the day we lost two tackles. Have to think the position group will be addressed again in the draft.

upamtn
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 11:15 pm

I sooooooooooooo miss Wylie

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
03/16/2023 5:45 am

Losing 2 tackles is one thing, what appears to be a significant overpay for a LT replacement that’s never played the position is another

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:55 pm

per CBS

Brown

This is a developing story. 

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:49 pm

So the Bengals win the day getting a new RT

he is being paid like a RT

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:50 pm

Wylie was half the price (just sayin’)

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:51 pm

we won the Super Bowl with two RT’s “)

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:53 pm

ha

The Chiefs paid him 16 million on the tag last year

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 10:04 pm

So chiefs lost day 1 paying a RT like a LT?

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  BKSchief
03/15/2023 10:12 pm

the draft is still to come

and we could draft a LT

but apparently no one saw Brown as a LT outside KC

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 10:14 pm

I miss Wylie already (moneywise)

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 10:17 pm
Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  BKSchief
03/15/2023 10:34 pm

what I am thinking is the Chiefs now have an edge on the edge

We know Brown

we protected him with game planning and Thuney

now the Bengals have an issue on the blind side?

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 10:39 pm

They’ve had an issue with their OL well before Brown. He’s a massive upgrade to any OT they’ve been trotting out the last few years. And against us, we don’t have speed rushers that some claimed Brown had issues with, so I personally am not seeing the edge KC has at edge

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  BKSchief
03/15/2023 10:44 pm

the SF edge and Jones at the b gap

immediately puts Jones in one on one with the Bengals Left Guard

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 10:50 pm

I like Omenihu, don’t get me wrong, but I’m not expecting him to just suddenly draw double teams. Jones will continue to get all the attention from opposing OLs and Omenihu along with Karlaftis are going to have to prove they can win one on one

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Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  BKSchief
03/15/2023 10:54 pm

was only thinking Brown in particular vs the Bengals

The Chiefs are no dummies

and now the Bengals have a very known to the the Chiefs LT on probably their biggest rival

we know Brown

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 11:00 pm

yeah we do, but at times he HAS been very good …

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 11:02 pm

and very bad

NovaChiefs
03/15/2023 9:38 pm

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upamtn
Reply to  NovaChiefs
03/15/2023 9:42 pm

love it

hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:36 pm

I’m not an expert, but are we gaining some comp picks with all the guys leaving?

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:38 pm

Depends on if we replace them with other free agents

hoosierchief
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
03/15/2023 9:39 pm

seems like we gave more than we got.

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:43 pm

league wide does make a diff on comp picks

upamtn
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:42 pm

RTFM! 😉

Plus Name and Plus Name
Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 9:29 pm

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 9:30 pm

Orlando screwed up

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:31 pm

seriously screwed up

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:32 pm

he wanted at min 4 for 100 million and 80 guarated

or something

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:35 pm

my math sucks

I wonder this looks like a 2 year deal for 31 million plus

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:36 pm

is it voidable after two yrs? if so that’s just about it, yeah …

hoosierchief
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:37 pm

It sounds like he wasn’t getting much interest, and after the Chiefs moved on, he had to take what he could get.

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:40 pm

the Chiefs were interested in the Texans LT

he could have got this from the Chiefs I would think especially with the Mahomes restructure

upamtn
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:40 pm

whatever it was is what it is and it’s a done deal … good for him and seeya (also gonna beat ya) in the playoffs … thanks for all you did

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:42 pm

don’t let the door hit you in the ass

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:44 pm

you mean in the broncos?

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:47 pm

Burrow Butt

NovaChiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:42 pm

I thought he was Bears bound

hoosierchief
Reply to  NovaChiefs
03/15/2023 9:43 pm

you were close.. its one of those animal teams.

upamtn
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:45 pm

oh, I see it is … “everyone gets a trophy!”

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upamtn
Reply to  NovaChiefs
03/15/2023 9:43 pm

shows what YOU know, huh 😉

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:38 pm

why did he not call Veach?

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:40 pm

he probably did, and Veach said you had your chance..

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:41 pm

TRUE

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:42 pm

heck, he had his chance for two years. must have thought he was a hall of famer or something.

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:45 pm

He could have been

in

KC

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:49 pm

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upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:35 pm

that’s ONLY $16M/yr

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:37 pm

Taylor got more

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:39 pm

hope he’s gooder

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 10:01 pm

When did he say that?

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 10:00 pm

How? He was offered $38m in guaranteed money from KC over 2 years last year. Instead he got $16m from KC and at least $31m guaranteed from Cincy across likely 2 years. $47m guaranteed across 3 years is better than $38m guaranteed across 2 years

hoosierchief
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 9:31 pm

well, Burrow is used to being sacked anyways, so he should fit in.

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:33 pm

which Bengal WR did that just cause to get cut loose next year?

upamtn
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 9:38 pm

on the tweeter thread, someone said “Chiefs falling apart” and I just laughed and laughed and laughed and laughed …

you REALLY wanna see what rebuilding looks like? sonny, EVERY year is the same thing … not “rebuilding” but “reloading”

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:41 pm

Haha

yep

reloading Mahomes with more ammo!!!!

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:43 pm

armor first, THEN the ammo

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:46 pm

karate thing – if you can’t block, you better be able to punch!

upamtn
03/15/2023 9:23 pm

yah, so … if we gotta protect Mahomes (or Shane B!) we really SHOULD be looking at OLine, as Thuney isn’t getting any younger (DeCaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaastro!) and in a coupla yrs BOTH Creed Humphrey (who seriously looks like one of THE best guys at his position in the history of ever) & Trey “Pancake” Smith are gonna be looking at rather hefty paydays … I’d target T then G

DLine as well, if/when it’s BPA kind of thing … in basketball they say “you can’t teach TALL” and in football “you can’t teach BIG” (think: Kinnard)

upamtn
03/15/2023 9:01 pm

our QBotF!

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:02 pm

haha

Mahomes is the past. the current, and the future

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:04 pm

well, you know … Justin … Justin Case

(just in case shit happens)

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:06 pm

we are fucked if Mahomes is injured

quote the HC on Manning in Indy

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:15 pm

but Andy Reid!

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Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:21 pm
Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:22 pm

The Jayhawks Head Coach had a heart attack

he is in better shape than Andy Reid

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:23 pm

Andy eats healthy. lots of red meat, cheese, ketchup and mustard,.

upamtn
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 9:41 pm

hey now: mustard is healthy!

EAFOX
03/15/2023 8:10 pm

I just have a feeling that the Chiefs have one more big move planned. Not sure where – FA or trade???

Plus Name and Plus Name
Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 7:59 pm

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 8:59 pm

well dang I just typed that

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 9:01 pm

that could be Chris Jones new salary for this year on his new deal 🙂

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:01 pm

which would create 14 million more?

BKSchief
BKSchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 10:03 pm

They likely needed it to pay for Omenihu and rookies from the draft. Overthecap only had KC at $6m in space before his deal and he’s likely getting around $10m this year

Plus Name and Plus Name
Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 7:47 pm

Chiefs may just decide to play this offseason slowly and wait for good value deals. We have a lot of draft picks so there isn’t a pressing need to go out and spend big.

hoosierchief
Reply to  Plus Name and Plus Name
03/15/2023 7:49 pm

once everyone spends their cap money, what’s left are gonna be bargains

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 8:56 pm

The Chiefs have no money to spend unless we re-sign Chris Jones to a new deal or restructure Mahomes

which we have not done yet in 2 years

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/15/2023 9:20 pm

we just did!

zulu trader
03/15/2023 7:44 pm
pompano
03/15/2023 7:35 pm

EAFOX
03/15/2023 7:34 pm

Beginning to wonder if we are going to target a receiver with our first round draft pick.

hoosierchief
Reply to  EAFOX
03/15/2023 7:36 pm

We still have a promising young receiver or two that weren’t playing last year.

EAFOX
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 7:40 pm

Toney, Skyy, and MVS project as the starters. While I like them all, Toney has an injury history, Skyy just started to hit his stride, and MVS was inconsistent. The Ross experiment is behind them but not much else. We need a receiver.

hoosierchief
Reply to  EAFOX
03/15/2023 7:46 pm

Ross was the one I couldn’t think of. It is impressive that we have guys that spent a few years on our practice squad going out and making several million. might make our practice squad a desirable place to be.

EAFOX
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 7:48 pm

Justyn or John?

Team Player
Team Player
Reply to  EAFOX
03/15/2023 7:47 pm

Justyn Ross is the real deal. I predict he will be WR1 by the end of the year

EAFOX
Reply to  Team Player
03/15/2023 7:49 pm

Sans injury, I like his chances. Still want to add another one.

zulu trader
Reply to  EAFOX
03/15/2023 7:50 pm

zulu trader
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/15/2023 7:41 pm

starting to believe there are some safeties in our drafting future

EAFOX
Reply to  zulu trader
03/15/2023 7:45 pm

A pure free safety at the very least

Team Player
Team Player
Reply to  EAFOX
03/15/2023 7:50 pm

This year’s draft class looks to be long on strong safeties but weak on free safeties

EAFOX
Reply to  Team Player
03/15/2023 7:54 pm

Yep – not many big names fill that need.

upamtn
Reply to  EAFOX
03/15/2023 9:12 pm

Deron Cherry … well, in his day

upamtn
Reply to  EAFOX
03/15/2023 9:09 pm

Beginning to wonder if we are going to target a receiver with our first round draft pick

no

that’s only marginally better than a RB in the 1st Round

Best Possible DLine or OLine and it shouldn’t even be a question

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  upamtn
03/15/2023 9:13 pm

agree

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 7:26 pm

Isn’t it funny how New England used to be the team that signed JUJU on a one year deal, got the most out of him, let him walk to a team who overpaid and get the comp pick and now they are ”that team” while KC is doing what the Pats always did

EAFOX
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 7:32 pm

Was thinking the same thing – they have definitely lost their edge.

Steve_Chiefs
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 8:58 pm

I was thinking that earlier

the Pats way is now the Chiefs way!

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/15/2023 9:14 pm

the “Pats Way” was always trade a player with a year left on his contract, get as much as possible before he hit FA

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