Wednesday Night O/T: Roethlisberger Says Steelers Don’t Have a Chance Against Chiefs

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He’s obviously being sarcastic, but the Chiefs actually are one of the biggest playoff favorites in recent memory.

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pompano
pompano(@pompano)
01/12/2022 10:18 pm
pompano
pompano(@pompano)
01/12/2022 10:04 pm

the filibuster and the electoral college are both antiquated compromises, only one is constitutional

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 10:44 pm

Pushing elections to becoming even more a matter of statistics over substance is a great way of further sapping the meaning from the republic’s citizens. I don’t feel more free from being nothing more than a statistic, but perhaps others feel differently. As it stands, the “choice” when it comes to candidates is largely an illusion. Nobody believes me, but from what I know about history, that trend began when both Partys switched from nomination by delegates to direct democracy.

As for the filibuster, Blackstone’s Fence. Yes, it looks antiquated, but your eagerness to get rid of it calls into question your understanding of why it was put there. Traditional institutions can be abused, it’s true, and I can provide a historical laundry list of incidents (Hint: “You can’t yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater” comes from an anti-liberty SCOTUS decision so awful that the CJ had to subsequently reverse his decision), but that doesn’t mean the solution is doing away with them is a good idea.

As the fallacious syllogism goes:
Something must be done
This is something
This must be done

3rdnlong
3rdnlong(@3rdnlong)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 11:54 pm

And yet, when the opposite party is power, then both are loved, cherished, and defended.

Either something is good for a country, or it is not. If something is bad when you’re in power and great when you’re not, then the problem is not the thing itself.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
01/12/2022 9:48 pm

Very clever of ol’ Ben. We have no chance. Look at the spread. We’re just going to have fun. We lose, who cares?
Guess where the pressure squarely falls? That’s right. I hope Andy does a good job of getting them to ignore the odds makers, because if they fall behind early the expectation of victory might get REALLY heavy.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
01/12/2022 9:45 pm

elections for federal office should have federal legislation,
let the counties do what they have always done re: local and reporting

3rdnlong
3rdnlong(@3rdnlong)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 11:56 pm

I disagree. We are a union of different states. Being a union of different states means we should have statewide elections for federal office.

This is actually a very wise practice. It hinders a potential dictator from gaining public appeal and taking over the country.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
01/12/2022 9:27 pm

Question – Punishment for a rapist

1 – Castration (By knife) + Life Sentence
2 – Death Penalty
3 – Life Sentence
4 – 50 years
5 – 25 years
6 – 10 years
7 – 1 year
8 – Probation

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 9:31 pm

I can live with number one – I believe that is justice.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 9:37 pm

TX judge just reversed a rape conviction…not a lenient sentence, voided a jury verdict

that’s fucked up

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 9:42 pm

True – Liberal weenie ass judges

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 9:48 pm

mmmm?

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 9:49 pm

TEXAS judge

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  NovaChiefs
01/12/2022 9:52 pm

(I’m pretty sure, like it matters)

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 10:49 pm

So he reversed the conviction. You don’t explain why, only conclude that it was the wrong decision to make, even though you know nothing about the case.

What’s fucked up is how hard DA’s offices fight to maintain convictions that were wrongfully (means illegally, BTW) obtained. You just sounded like them, to me.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2022 10:56 pm

fair enough, but that should be ruled on upon appeal imo

3rdnlong
3rdnlong(@3rdnlong)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2022 11:58 pm

Yeah, it makes me wonder if they found evidence now they could not have tracked then, e.g., DNA. For older crimes, nobody could run DNA tests or match it. Now they can. So older cases may be revisited and found, whoops, the accused’s DNA doesn’t match what’s on the crucial piece of evidence from the crime, etc.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 9:33 pm

forget the comedian

1- superglue their nuts to the floor, set the room on fire, throw them a knife
,,

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 9:35 pm

I like the suggestion.

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
01/12/2022 9:08 pm

Where does justice end and vengeance begin?

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 9:15 pm

Flipping that question is part of the social contract (depending on the definitions of each)

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 9:16 pm

Thought provoking reply.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/12/2022 9:23 pm

No, you’re Spartacus!

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2022 9:26 pm

I AM SPARTICUS!

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 9:28 pm
EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  Tony Sommer
01/12/2022 9:25 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 9:23 pm

That’s the question, but the short answer is that if the outcome is arrived at out of fervent emotion, it’s revenge, and nothing but torture.

My 2c, or whatever it’s worth.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
01/12/2022 8:40 pm

some want to make voting more accessible, which comes with minimal issues…
some want to restrict voting, which is the issue…

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 8:45 pm

here in Colorado it’s been way easy and trouble-free for YEARS … everyone gets a ballot in the mail: return it early or return it barely on time, makes no difference … dropboxes all over as it should be, or mail it in with a handy-dandy USPS stamp

fraud? in Colorado??? none that I’ve been aware of … seriously, this state elects Left Wing and Right Wing and Middle Wing and whatever

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pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 8:56 pm

dozens of investigations/studies over decades have never found widespread (even the former did not release the same finding from his own look).

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 8:58 pm

correct

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 9:06 pm

but look at what happened, like never happened before. more votes than voters?
did that happen? just asking questions….

NO! THAT DID NOT HAPPEN…STOP ASKING

3rdnlong
3rdnlong(@3rdnlong)
Reply to  pompano
01/13/2022 12:05 am

I think those who are accusing the right of trying to “restrict voting” are both right and wrong. Yes, the right wants to restrict voting to living U.S. citizens, and that each citizen only gets one vote. But no, the right does not want to restrict voting to only a certain race or ethnicity.

That’s just part of the philosophy of the age, though. Postmodernism thinks that if you speak of something different, using different terminology, then it becomes different. That you create what is real if you just say something often enough. Ultimately, postmodernity says truth is meaningless and everything is a big power grab. However, let’s try this in practice. I could repeat many times over that S.F. actually won SB LIV and not KC. I could say it so much that I could convince myself of it – and perhaps gain a following. But it doesn’t actually work that way. It doesn’t change what is real (in this case, what really happened in SB LIV). It’s self-deceptive to think otherwise. But that’s how postmodernist philosophy works that much of the world is swimming in right now.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
01/12/2022 8:22 pm

all whom organized/signed/submitted the fraudulent electoral slates must be charged.
election integrity and all…

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 8:24 pm

and jailed and stuff … not to mention pay back for the ridiculous court cases, etc

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 8:27 pm

state and federal
(saw your comment in the Huddle, appreciate you as well)

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 8:37 pm

Not if they weren’t involved in those cases being filed, and only for the ones that an individual is directly related to. Directly linked by legal standards, not social or media standards, which are often little more than connect-the-dots to give shape to an opinion, no rigor required.

Hyperbole’s a thing, I know, but expectations of punishments so severe that they go beyond the legal, let alone the justice, are corrosive to and of our legal system. Bringing fervent passion into a court case is a recipe for horrible case law. Not everyone deserves lifetime punishments.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2022 8:41 pm

corrosive to and of our legal system

you’re talking about those who are corrosive to and of our entire government and republic …

I don’t know about you, but I really like the whole “Universal Voting” thing … one person, one vote and all that … not to mention TRUTH as opposed to … well, you know

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 8:56 pm

No, I am not talking about those people you have in mind. I’m specifically talking about expecting punishments that are so severe as to render them unjust – at any level, mind you. I don’t care if it’s a crack dealer whose sentence is 100x worse than a coke dealer or a congresscritter who has committed a severe violation of the law, severe enough to outrage people.

Punish both, but the severity should only go to the limit of justice. To do otherwise is to call for the kind of ridiculous charge-stacking that drove that young man to suicide, when his crime of “hacking” consisted of making available material that was free to read anyway.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2022 8:57 pm

I’m not arguing against that, not by any means …

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2022 8:59 pm

*undercover cops buying drugs many times to reach a weight limit for mandatory sentencing*

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2022 9:13 pm

Since this isn’t directly related, I’ll tack it on, instead.

There are certain cases that stick in my mind, such as the cop who had to go out to his car to retrieve his pistol, then re-enter the club and kill a man who he already had an ongoing beef with, because he “feared for his life”. That, IIRC, was in JOCO, but the one that applies here was in Lee’s Summit.

The victim in this case was a guy accused and charged with molesting his daughter, which he firmly denied. The typical hate-frenzy ensued, and so he panicked, and fled the country, catching the attention of America’s Most Wanted, which profiled him the way you’d expect.

However, what was alleged wasn’t true. Turned out, the LSPD detective handling the case had been having an affair with the guy’s wife, and momma leaned on daughter to say things had happened. Daughter then recants, just as soon as she can, presumably once she was free of mommy, and the guy wins a mill-plus settlement, paid for by the residents of Lee’s Summit. The cop who framed him, to get him out of the way? He had to leave, but got a job as an officer in another town.

Assuming guilt beyond any legally-recognized relation to an action is as bad as assuming guilt because of the outrageousness of a charge, and both inevitably lead folks to expect their targets to be over-punished.

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2022 9:20 pm

Final point here. If you think back, I was a voice for moderation when Kraft was accused of participating in a sex slave trafficking ring that never existed. As it happens, the police themselves violated several laws in the course of setting up their made-for-TV bust. I followed the same course with Hill, only faltering over the audio. Once the whole thing came out, I knew he was innocent. I still call people on Twitter out for saying he abused anyone. The reactions are worse than I often get here, but haters gotta hate.

3rdnlong
3rdnlong(@3rdnlong)
01/12/2022 8:19 pm

Big Ben trying to give his team bulletin board material?

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  3rdnlong
01/12/2022 8:23 pm

*sarcam*

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 8:25 pm

hey, Tomlin has NEVER had a losing season … never … EVER!

still, doubt it’s gonna matter … let the Steelers have fun (just don’t let ’em score any points)

3rdnlong
3rdnlong(@3rdnlong)
Reply to  upamtn
01/13/2022 12:00 am

As long as they have a losing postseason at 0-1 this year, I’m ok with whatever other record Tomlin has.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
01/12/2022 8:06 pm

Super Wild Card Weekend Ranks, Game Breakdowns

Denny Carter ranks QBs, RBs, TEs … ok,yanno what? we don’t need no Denny Carter (whatever that is!) to tell us who ranks where … Chiefs are WAY better than Steelers and we ALL know that, so there ya go

https://sports.yahoo.com/super-wild-card-weekend-ranks-015034281.html

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 8:16 pm
KCChef
KCChef(@kcchef)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 10:31 pm

Collingsworthless ???!!! …Ugh … I’mma Sad … : (

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
01/12/2022 7:58 pm
upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
01/12/2022 7:56 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 8:38 pm

RIP, Ronnie, and thanks for everything, especially for standing up to Phil.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
01/12/2022 7:41 pm

oh yeah, almost forgot …

if ANY of ya have a chance to see Hector Anchondo (from Omaha) do so! one of THE bestest ever guitarists you will EVER have the privilege and pleasure of seeing and hearing (good singer as well) … he won the 2020 International Blues Challenge FWIW and with good reason (he really IS just that good)

also, and I can say this honestly, I know the guy personally (he was here in Salida coupla weeks ago) and he’s like one of the most genuinely nicest human being you’ll ever encounter on this planet

Last edited 5 days ago by upamtn
pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 7:47 pm

thanks

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11(@gonzangkc11)
01/12/2022 7:29 pm

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Watch “The Franchise Episode 12: The Playoff Push | Presented by GEHA” on YouTube

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  gonzangkc11
01/12/2022 7:30 pm

Daddy … what’s a GEHA?

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 7:34 pm

Governing Embodies Hate and Antipathy?

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs(@steve_chiefs)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 7:38 pm

God Enjoys Halftime at Arrowhead

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/12/2022 7:38 pm

hello Internet? you have a winner!

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/12/2022 7:41 pm

the yin to my yang (hee..hee)

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 7:38 pm

oh, I *am* all impressed

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 7:58 pm

The people who help make Patrick Mahomes possible

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
01/12/2022 7:24 pm

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 7:27 pm

dayum

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
01/12/2022 7:19 pm

Snafu
Snafu(@snafu)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 7:27 pm

time well spent

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 7:28 pm

I can never un-see that, can I?

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 7:30 pm

don’t try to describe it to anyone…

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 7:32 pm

oh, trust me … I’m doing my level best to foget it ever so completely

Leaf
Leaf(@leaf)
Reply to  pompano
01/12/2022 8:06 pm

Watch some of his other shit

https://m.youtube.com/c/uespi1

🤯

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  Leaf
01/12/2022 8:08 pm

i have
😊

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
01/12/2022 7:08 pm

interesting … Chiefs are #1 in PFF Rankings, but the #2 Packers have better odds of winning Super Bowl (perhaps having a bye week)

Final 2021 NFL Power Rankings: Kansas City Chiefs reign supreme, San Francisco 49ers breach the top 10

the Steelers, btw, are at … #18

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-nfl-power-rankings

MasterChief
MasterChief(@masterchief)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 7:10 pm

#18? That high?

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  MasterChief
01/12/2022 7:18 pm

LOL

KC has scored 8 PPG more and given up 2 PPG less … that translates to a 10-pt edge for KC … add in standard 3-pts for being home team, and you’ve got a point spread of just what Vegas oddsmakers made it

Chiefs by 30 pts

or

Chiefs hang on and win by a thread as the Steelers fall JUUUUUUUST short after a wild 2nd Half Comeback

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 7:25 pm

QB Rankings … Mahomes is 10, Ben is 31 (gotta love it)

oh, the Mahomes EPA rank is 2

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-quarterback-rankings

steve_chiefs
steve_chiefs(@steve_chiefs)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 7:30 pm

hahahhahhaha

You must have had BBQ today 🙂

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  steve_chiefs
01/12/2022 7:31 pm

*perk*

BBQ?

nope, I wish … oh my yes I wish

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 8:29 pm

I* fully understand your drooling for real BBQ, because I can’t have any, either. Like you, that’s due to location, in more ways than one. One thing I’d like to know is, do you also live in an apartment where you’re forbidden to set up a smoker? Pisses me off, but the rules are the rules, and they say no BBQ for you.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
01/12/2022 8:34 pm

oh, I could do something in the back on the patio, but it’s a wee bit nippy this time of year … hoping MAYBE in the summer do a lil something

Snafu
Snafu(@snafu)
01/12/2022 7:04 pm

A little something for yoons guys. Let’s see if the Chiefs can fuel another rant.

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  Snafu
01/12/2022 7:12 pm

HA!

vvet818
vvet818(@vvet818)
01/12/2022 7:01 pm

It’s so very lonely
You’re a 2,000 light years from home

pompano
pompano(@pompano)
Reply to  vvet818
01/12/2022 7:04 pm

talk to the bomb…

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  vvet818
01/12/2022 7:30 pm
NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 7:43 pm
upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  NovaChiefs
01/12/2022 7:52 pm
NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs(@novachiefs)
Reply to  upamtn
01/12/2022 7:47 pm
EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
01/12/2022 6:13 pm

Last set of four then the Round of 32 is set…

LaDainian Tomlinson v Derrick Thomas
Tony Gonzalez v Mean Joe Greene
Tim Brown v Marcus Allen

AND

Joe Montana v Jim Brown

EAFOX
EAFOX(@eafox)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 6:14 pm

My vote DT, Mean Joe, Marcus Allen and Joe Montana. That last pick was brutal.

vvet818
vvet818(@vvet818)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 6:48 pm

ditto from me

hoosierchief
hoosierchief(@hoosierchief)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 7:39 pm

I would concur as well.

upamtn
upamtn(@upamtn)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 6:56 pm

all of ’em

BleedingRedAndGold
BleedingRedAndGold(@bleedingredandgold)
Reply to  EAFOX
01/12/2022 7:03 pm

DT58, Tony G, Allen, and Montana.

As EA said, it’s tough choices across the board, but to my mind it’s more about difference-makers than dominance. Every player in the bracket was dominant, so to me, it’s who had more impact. That lets out Greene, who was a force to be reckoned with, but not only did TG88 play at a high level for a very long time, he altered how the rest of the NFL used TEs. Greene deserves to move forward, too, he’s just a victim of the matchup.

The weakest result of my premise is Allen over Brown, but while Brown could gash you badly, Allen had a knack for picking up yards you needed, plus was an elite RB. Brown was elite, but wasn’t an inevitable go-to when crucial yardage was needed, the way Hill and Kelce are.

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