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Chiefs’ defense allowing 7.1 yards per play, worst in NFL history | NBCsports

When you have Patrick Mahomes and you still have a losing record, your defense must be playing poorly. And the Chiefs’ defense is playing as poorly as any team ever has.

Kansas City is allowing a stunning 7.1 yards per play this season. That’s not just the worst average this year, it’s the worst average in NFL history.

4 takeaways from Chiefs’ Week 5 loss to Bills | usatoday

It’s always tough to see a team fall from grace the way Kansas City has this year, but a change of the guard atop the conference could give the Chiefs a chip on their shoulders that carries them to success as the schedule progresses. Losses like this are all about the bounce-back, so if they can get it together defensively and find their offensive rhythm, things might not be as bad as they seem right now.

Patrick Mahomes says there’s one thing causing Chiefs’ woes, vows to correct mistakes and turn season around | cbssports

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patrick-mahomes-says-theres-one-thing-causing-chiefs-woes-vows-to-correct-mistakes-and-turn-season-around/

“It’s just we’re seeing different defenses that we’ve seen in the past,” Mahomes said after Sunday’s loss. “We have a lot of stuff, we read coverages and run routes to different spots and we’re just not on that same page. I have to trust in these guys that we’ll figure that out if that’s me knowing what they’re thinking and them knowing what I’m thinking and that’s what makes our offense so good

The guys are seeing coverages differently than I am. They’re different coverages — I don’t think anyone has faced coverages like we’ve faced over these last few games. Once we get on the same page and get that thing rolling, I think we’ll be back to where we’re at.”

Tyrann Mathieu on Chiefs’ Defensive Woes: ‘I Think We’re Beating Ourselves | si.com

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/gameday/safety-tyrann-mathieu-on-kc-chiefs-defensive-woes-i-think-were-beating-ourselves

“To be honest with you, I think we are beating ourselves,” Mathieu said. “If you look back on it, go back to the Ravens game, it was missed communication, blown coverages. In the Chargers game, it was kind of the same thing. Tonight, I think most of their explosive pass plays were guys running wide open down the field. Obviously, we don’t practice that. Our coaches don’t teach that. You’ve got to find a way to dig deep, man. Every team we play wants to beat us. They want to beat us bad. I think we have to understand that coming into these kinds of games.”

Chiefs snap counts: Josh Gordon plays nine snaps in debut | usatoday

The Kansas City Chiefs played a disproportionate amount of offensive and defensive snaps in Week 5 against the Buffalo Bills. The offense had nearly 30 more snaps compared to the defense. This speaks a bit to the defense’s early-game struggles, but also their ability to get several stops in the third quarter. It also speaks to the offense putting together long drives compared to big explosive chunk plays they’re typically known for.

Injury Update: First Report on Clyde Edwards-Helaire’s Knee Injury | si.com

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/news/injury-update-first-report-on-clyde-edwards-helaires-knee-injury

“Chiefs RB Clyde Edwards-Helaire suffered an MCL sprain and is out for a few weeks, sources say,” Rapoport tweeted. “While he’ll miss time, not quite as bad as it appeared last night.”

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Big Chief
Big Chief
10/12/2021 12:14 pm

For everyone despairing about the Chiefs, and I’m one of them, I also can’t help but think back to New England after the Chiefs embarrassed them on Monday Night, leaving them at 2-2. This was followed by the infamous “we’re on to Cincinnati” game, and ultimately a Super Bowl championship. This Chiefs team has the talent and coaching that can repeat that feat. The question is will they.

One of my favorite mantras is “It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish”. That’s the number one thought right now. It’s been a bad start, but you can still finish strong. Let’s go Chiefs!

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  Big Chief
10/12/2021 12:16 pm

Let’s also not forget the 2015 team that lost several games at the outset and then went on to make waves in the postseason. We’ve been here before, and we can do it again.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan
10/12/2021 8:49 am

I don’t know if it is because I’m still pissed about Sunday or I’m just a no-good crappy fan who wants to blame outside sources. I think the league has decided it is time for KC and their small market to take a step back and allow other larger markets more success. I can point to multiple calls and no calls in every one of our losses that greatly impacted the final outcome. I can also point to what Buffalo was allowed to do on D this last Sunday as well. I have always been one to lean toward letting guys play but the level of holding going on against us without calls was wrong. Just think back to week two and some of the calls that went against Matthews. Against the Chargers not only was the final play ignored but the PI call that gave the Chargers the big 4th down pick up wasn’t anywhere near as bad as what Buffalo was allowed to get away with. Call me a whiny bitching fan who cannot take a loss but I have seen this BS before as a Chiefs fan. Just think back to a time when AS11 was our starting QB and some of the terrible awful calls that ended playoff games. The league doesn’t want larger markets to fail when a smaller one is succeeding. So the pattern has been set and fully approved by the league to stop the Chiefs you run a two-deep look and allow all the up font guys to hold everyone going out for a pass at the line. This slows the development of the intermediate routs and allows the 4 man rush more time to get to the QB. The Chiefs should have just started doing the same thing and we would have seen the flags flying on our end.

upamtn
Reply to  ArrowFan
10/12/2021 8:53 am

stop whining and bitching and being a pussy about the refs … please just fucking stop!

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
Reply to  upamtn
10/12/2021 9:07 am

A little harsh there ups. I understand where you’re coming from and I agree to some degree but still. Here’s the thing though, it can be both. The refs can be crappy and totally screw a team with bad calls. And it’s also true that if the team just plays better, it takes the game out of the refs hands.

upamtn
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
10/12/2021 11:35 am

it’s also true that if the team just plays better, it takes the game out of the refs hands

and would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOO nice if the team would just play better (been waiting for that to happen for about 5 weeks now) … bottom line, though, is that the refs are NOT making the team play at a historically bad rate (on defense), nor are the refs responsible for the multitude of turnovers (fumbles and INTs)

just IMO

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Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  upamtn
10/12/2021 9:53 am

I don’t want to ever see a single comment about officiating from you. As much as you insult anybody that mentions officiating, it just about makes me wonder if you’re on their payroll too.

upamtn
Reply to  Maw423
10/12/2021 11:37 am

nobody ever HAS seen a single comment on officiating from me … I don’t do that, period

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs
Reply to  upamtn
10/12/2021 10:01 am

I only watched two games this weekend, and both had game changing horrible calls. I realize that two is a very small sample, but 100% of the games effected by the officials is a lot.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  ArrowFan
10/12/2021 10:32 am

I mean buffalo isnt exactly a big market

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  ArrowFan
10/12/2021 11:46 am

Grand conspiracies are hard to believe. I really don’t think the NFL is engineering it that way.

I think we have not been playing clean ball. Fumbles, INT’s, bad throws, allowing 7.1 yards per play, etc, etc, etc… just shows how sloppy we are right now. Sloppiness leads to penalties. Yeah, there were some really shit calls, but I don’t think it’s a conspiracy against KC.

Nasrani
Nasrani
10/12/2021 8:06 am

Every time I think my life is going seriously off the rails, I am always thankful that I’m not a Raiders fan.

Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed
10/12/2021 7:50 am

Nasrani
Nasrani
Reply to  Severely Concussed
10/12/2021 7:55 am
upamtn
Reply to  Severely Concussed
10/12/2021 8:51 am

Sorensen called Hardman but the call was dropped …

EAFOX
10/12/2021 5:55 am

The four most important players on offense moving forward when attacking the two deep look. OK – teams are going to play deep to neutralize Tyreek and mug Kelce on play after play after play. How to we attack this in the future? The vulnerable spot on the two deep look is the intermediate middle – past the lineman and in front of the safeties. The quality of the opponent’s linebackers is paramount. These four players who will be vital – Josh Gordon, Mecole Hardman, Jody Fortson, and a potential CEH replacement. Gordon can win battles as the number two receiver as the big receiver we need to keep moving the chains. Hardman – as the third receiver – can use his speed to exploit the middle and Fortson – as the second tight end – can use his size and hands to dominate. The problem with CEH or Williams, his immediate back up, is that they cannot exploit the defense for extra yards – moving down the field for seven yards is a possibility – teams are willing to concede that but neither have the moves to break a long one and worry the defense. I think that Gore does but not sure if he will be able to show this while CEH is gone. We can survive with Gordon, Hardman, and Fortson contributing more but we dominate if we get that back who can make the defense pay for playing back.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan
Reply to  EAFOX
10/12/2021 8:13 am

Yes with only 4 DL and the 2 deep looks, our run game should be gashing them for 5 plus yards a pop. It sure hasn’t been that is for sure. I hate to be this guy but CEH getting hurt may help or we may all be begging to get him back on the field in a few weeks.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  ArrowFan
10/12/2021 8:19 am

Against Philly we were running it down their throats.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
10/12/2021 8:33 am

So they have a 25% success rate in running against a 2 deep look. I’m not sure if it is because the OL is still trying to figure it all out or if Buffalo was just discussing the looks really well tempting them into running it. But when you have two more blockers than defenders in the box and you struggle to get past the line of scrimmage something is wrong.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  ArrowFan
10/12/2021 8:38 am

I feel like we didnt really try that much against the bills, and when we did we did too much cutesy bs. Against philly seemed like we were just running forward.

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
10/12/2021 9:23 am

Agree. We didn’t see a lot of just running forward. Our line seems to be suited to opening lanes. We seemed to still be focused on running around the line.

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
Reply to  EAFOX
10/12/2021 9:14 am

This is a solid plan. If they cover Hill and Kelce, there should be openings everywhere. Since Hardman is also fast, he can run deep routes and also pull coverage (and maybe actually catch a few). We were gashing Philly up the middle with the run so I have no idea why we weren’t doing it again. Quick, middle field passes should also be open and effective.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
10/12/2021 10:46 am

I mean we have full back for a reason. I think. But we also have 4 TEs. Id rather see those guys doing the cutsey stuff. Let the linemen block ahead. Double team and get to the second level.

EAFOX
10/12/2021 5:36 am

Reason to believe – Seems like many are giving up on the Chiefs and I will be the first to admit that we have some issues. We do need to fix some issues on offense but we have the cast – Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Reid – to get that done. The main issue is for them to solve how to attack the two deep look. AND the defense cannot get any worse so any improvement makes us better there. Going to remain hopeful. The road to the playoffs is actually a simple one. Hand Buffalo, Baltimore, Tennessee and the Chargers the division titles – that leaves Cleveland, CIncy, the Broncos and the Raiders ahead of us. They each play their division rival twice, as well as the division leader. We get the Broncos and the Raiders twice and play Cincy towards the end of the season and have the tie breaker on Cleveland. How we play against them in the back half of the season will determine our fate. It would complicate matters if the Browns catch the Ravens as they would have the tiebreaker on us but we need to pass only two of the teams on the list.

rip58
rip58
Reply to  EAFOX
10/12/2021 5:55 am

Man I don’t know,,I trust the offense to pull it together, but that defense WTF ….
Can’t get very far with the worst D in the league….

EAFOX
Reply to  rip58
10/12/2021 5:58 am

We will make the playoffs even with a terrible defense – how far we go will depend on how much improvement they make. With Gay back and if Thornhill ever gets out of the doghouse, we add much needed speed. Hopefully, that energizes Mathieu and frees him to do his thing. Might need to move Jones back to DT and rely on Clark and Danna at DE – that one is a big if. It would be hard for the defense to get worse.

rip58
rip58
Reply to  EAFOX
10/12/2021 6:02 am

Let’s hope they turn it around fairly quick. Would hate to spend two years rebuilding the defense..

EAFOX
Reply to  rip58
10/12/2021 6:06 am

Well, Clark and Hitch will be gone due to money. I believe Nnadi is a free agent as well. We should be able to devote the draft to adding players on defense – I think the only other reasonable pick is if a quality receiver drops to us. Will we draft defenders who are capable of contributing right away is the question. If you look at our history, none of our recent picks start right away. That might have to change for next year.

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3rdnlong
Reply to  rip58
10/12/2021 7:54 am

Not only worst in the league. Worst in history (for yds. per play).

Though the silver lining is that Jon Gruden gave a lot of distraction to the Raiders as he resigned. Now their special teams coach is the new interim head coach.

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DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  3rdnlong
10/12/2021 8:20 am

Im very disappointed he resigned. He was delightfully mediocre.

3rdnlong
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
10/12/2021 2:01 pm

I’m positive the next Raiders’ coach won’t be any better.

EAFOX
10/12/2021 5:20 am

Jon Gruden – Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

rip58
rip58
Reply to  EAFOX
10/12/2021 5:49 am

Wow just wow, I didn’t see that coming .
Hahaha, and as always fuk the raiders…

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EAFOX
Reply to  rip58
10/12/2021 6:00 am

This could unravel the Raiders for the rest of the year. Carr – their “leader” was chummy with Gruden.

rip58
rip58
Reply to  EAFOX
10/12/2021 6:11 am

Let’s hope they implode….. I’ve got to get ready,, enjoy your day brother stay safe….And go Chiefs!!!!!!!!!

EAFOX
Reply to  rip58
10/12/2021 6:11 am

Same here

dragon6172
dragon6172
Reply to  EAFOX
10/12/2021 6:12 am

They live next to each other I think? Wonder if they had a dinner date last night

EAFOX
10/12/2021 5:12 am

MVP STANDINGS
1 – Tom Brady
2 – Josh Allen
3 – Patrick Mahomes
4 – Justin Herbert
5 – Kyler Murray
6 – Dak Prescott
7 – Matthew Stafford
8 – Derek Carr

Commentary – Brutal week as Rodgers, Wilson, Jackson, and Henry are all bumped out of contention. Brady is the man to beat now but Mahomes has more TD throws and Allen just had a good game beating the Chiefs as Herbert did before and Murray still undefeated. Prescott and Stafford are hanging around in the background. Carr carries on his quest despite losing Gruden.

Big Chief
Big Chief
Reply to  EAFOX
10/12/2021 11:09 am

How is Jackson bumped out? Based on their play, particularly in prime time games, I would list Herbert, Allen, and Jackson as the leaders for MVP right now. Obviously that can change wildly from here out, but those are the ones I hear the most buzz about right now.

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