Morning Huddle – How About We Just Don’t Give Up Home Games?

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Chiefs news for 5 February 2019

Could the Chiefs play a game in St. Louis? KC city councilman says idea makes sense | KMBC

Would the Kansas City Chiefs be better off playing a football game in St. Louis as opposed to playing at an international venue? A Kansas City, Missouri City Councilman thinks so.

Some Chiefs fans frustrated with Tony Gonzalez after TE says Falcons ‘made my career’ | Fox4KC

In the video, he said his interview on Saturday had been just for Falcons fans. Sunday’s video was for his Chiefs fans. “Kansas City Chief fans, I just want to tell you from the bottom of my heart, thank you. The 12 years I spent there were fantastic. I always tell people I became a man, obviously, on the field but off the field as well out in Kansas City. The fan support I had out there was second to none. It’s diehards.”

Jeff Allen smacked down Skip Bayless on Twitter after Patrick Mahomes won MVP award | KC Star

It’s entirely possible that Skip Bayless doesn’t understand how the Associated Press voters choose the NFL’s Most Valuable Player. That’s unlikely, of course. Bayless, who is on Fox Sports’ “Undisputed,” appears to enjoy being a contrarian.

Where do the Chiefs Rank in ESPN’s “Way-Too-Early Power Rankings” for 2019? | The Mothership

It’s for those reasons that ESPN has the Chiefs as the top squad in the AFC and the No. 2 team in the NFL in their “Way-Too-Early Power Rankings” for the 2019 campaign, trailing only the Los Angeles Rams.

How The Kansas City Chiefs Are Approaching Free Agency And The Rest Of The NFL Off-Season | Forbes

Ford is an unrestricted free agent and will get a new contract likely worth more than $15 million a season. Steve Spagnuolo, who has replaced Sutton, is a 4-3 adherent who will move away from Sutton’s 3-4, but Ford has the type of talent that fits anywhere. Keeping Ford is a top offseason priority.

Kansas City Chiefs: Four options for Dee Ford this offseason | KC Kingdom

However, tagging and waiting is the most likely outcome for Ford and the Chiefs. The Chiefs would apply the Franchise Tag to Ford, pay him between $15-16 million for 2019, see how he does under Spagnuolo, and pass the buck to next season. He could have a monster year, making his price skyrocket, or he could prove he’s just not cut out for this style of defense. Regardless, the Chiefs would find themselves right back in the spot in which they find themselves today: trying to figure out what to do with their inconsistently talented pass-rusher.

2020 Super Bowl odds: Chiefs emerge as favorites; Patriots, Saints, Rams not far behind | CBS Sports

The team with the best odds to win it all next year are the Chiefs, who lost to the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game. Behind the Chiefs are the Patriots, Rams and Saints — the other championship game participants.

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smitty
smitty
02/05/2019 1:12 pm

Out of country games should be out of division so neither team gives up a home game

legal_kush
legal_kush
Reply to  smitty
02/05/2019 6:04 pm

?

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
02/05/2019 12:35 pm

How many St. Louis Blues games have been played in KC even though they have an arena and no hockey team?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
02/05/2019 12:54 pm

That arena in St. Louis is a run-down POS too.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
02/05/2019 12:55 pm

FIFY…

“St. Louis is a run-down POS “

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
02/05/2019 1:04 pm

Much better. Thank you.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
02/05/2019 12:26 pm

Oh Tony. I think TGs problem is that he’s just not that good of a TV personality. There’s a reason he didn’t last long on CBS. While I’ve always liked Tony, he’s very blah on TV.

First off his career was “made” in KC. He went to ATL as a HOFer. That’s the definition of made. The best team he ever played on was the 2003 Trent Green team. The way he worded his comment was idiotic.

Most of us forgave him for wanting out of KC. The team was shit at that point. Was he worth way more than a second rounder the next year? Yes. But Pioli was, I mean is an idiot. I can’t really argue with him want to go to an established team with an established QB.

My opinion is definitely lesser of him now for how stupidly he worded his comment.

StramtoReid
StramtoReid
02/05/2019 8:58 am

I’m not going to turn my back on Tony G based on some stupid comments he made. I read arrowhead guys and everybody makes stupid comments every once and a while. I don’t blame Tony G for wanting to be traded, because he wanted a ring. It is to bad he never got a ring. I hear him talk on sports shows, and i know how much he loves K.C. and Chiefs Kingdom.

My problem with the HOF induction systems is. It seems like were using this era stats to judge players., in the 60’s the rules favored the defense, you can’t judge Otis Taylor’s stats with today players stats. Jerry Rice might not even had a 1000 yards in a season in the 60’s because how the game was played.

Otis Taylor Super Bowl champ, needs to be in the HOF.

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer
Reply to  StramtoReid
02/05/2019 9:04 am

So a guy can say whatever he can to get noticed in front of the cameras? I guess he doesn’t realize that he’s shitting on the people that just put him in their hall-of-fame then hell with him. He’s holding Atlanta up so high because he supposedly did so much better there when in reality he won a playoff game. How can he say that the five years in Atlanta made his career when most of his stats came from his time in Kansas City. Those Dick Vermeil offenses were pretty good to his numbers.

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115
02/05/2019 7:53 am

I started disliking Tony G when he left, and everything i have heard him say and do since has only intensified my dislike. A few years ago, i heard him complaining at Arrowhead when he was there with NFL Network. I think it was a Thursday Night.
I also think players who don’t ever make it to the Super Bowl should be ineligible for the HOF. Your expressed, stated goal is to make it to the Super Bowl every year and you couldn’t do it one time?

Dee Ford needs to wear glasses when he plays.

We need to draft a defensive back with our first pick. We also need an upgrade at wide receiver 3. We also need at least one more good linebacker.

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/05/2019 8:00 am

Barry Sanders quit in the prime of his career. I wouldn’t feel bad about keeping him out at all.

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/05/2019 9:05 am

It’s his gimmick.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SuperMegaChief
02/05/2019 9:08 am

I’m not mad.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/05/2019 10:14 am

tg is a diva ?‍♀️ who wants to stay in spotlight all the time. He’s gonna bitch and moan but rarely put blame where it belongs ( Carl?)

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer
Reply to  Chiefsfan115
02/05/2019 8:40 am

Blah blah blah. Barry Sanders decides his health isn’t worth playing for the Lions and for that he don’t deserve to be in the hof? That is ridiculous, he pushed himself to be what I consider to be the best running beach of all time. Detroit didn’t try to put a winning team around him and a RB cant drag a crap organization to the SB. Similar to Joe Thomas with the Browns he was one of the best at his position his entire career he is a hall of fame player.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Chiefsfan115
02/05/2019 8:43 am

How could you possibly say that? Barry Sanders is legitimately one of the 10 best RBs of all time. ALL. TIME. If Art Monk is in the damn HOF, then Barry Sanders should be based on his college achievements.

WTF_Chiefs
WTF_Chiefs
Reply to  SCKSChief
02/05/2019 8:46 am

He’s one of 3 best all time and potential as best ever is extremely debateable……..

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  WTF_Chiefs
02/05/2019 8:48 am

I always wonder if there would be a RB record that would not bear the name of Bo Jackson had he not gotten injured.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic
Reply to  Chiefsfan115
02/05/2019 9:43 am

What about Ladanian Tomlinson?

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  QuackTastic
02/05/2019 10:01 am

I liked LT not because he was great, but because he kicked some Patsy ass and ran all over ‘em.

legal_kush
legal_kush
Reply to  QuackTastic
02/05/2019 6:06 pm

He put a NY Jets tattoo on his calf.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/05/2019 8:15 am

Not to mention if we exclude every great player who never made it to the Super Bowl, we would necessarily skew inclusion towards lesser player who didn’t do much of note, but played in a SB. And let’s not pretend that the standards would become higher and produce fewer HOF players to keep quality levels high.

Some folks just aren’t happy unless they are unhappy and spreading it to as many others as possible. Or so it seems.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  Chiefsfan115
02/05/2019 7:56 am

Huge disagreement on your HOF standards. Plenty of elite players ended up on shit teams their entire career. Especially before Free Agency was allowed.

StramtoReid
StramtoReid
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
02/05/2019 8:35 am

Are you saying Derrick Thomas deserves to be in the HOF? Lol

Leaf
Reply to  StramtoReid
02/05/2019 10:22 am

You don’t think he does?

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Anthony Stratton
Reply to  Leaf
02/05/2019 10:58 am

I think he meant to ask if the OP if DT58 “didn’t” deserve to be in the HOF.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
02/05/2019 8:44 am

Not to mention there are a lot of instances where it is no longer the Hall of Fame, but the Hall of Pretty-Dang-Good

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/05/2019 8:47 am

As I listed below, Art Monk as well.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
02/05/2019 9:01 am

There are a ton of players in the HOF that I think shouldn’t be, for sure. They have really loosened up the standards.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
02/05/2019 6:57 am

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m getting really tired of no news on assistant coaches.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
02/05/2019 7:29 am

I have to assume something is coming this week. Andy seems like the “Don’t upstage the superbowl” type…

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
02/05/2019 7:32 am

I’m hoping there is a lot of info forthcoming at the Spags presser. Isn’t that this week?

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  SCKSChief
02/05/2019 7:55 am

I haven’t heard…but I would think so

Chiefsfan115
Chiefsfan115
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
02/05/2019 7:56 am

Andy Reid would rather lose games than piss people off in the NFL. Bill Belichick doesn’t care who he pisses off, and he has coached in how many Super Bowls now? At least 11. I think Andy Reid has coached in 2?

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  Chiefsfan115
02/05/2019 7:58 am

No, Andy Reid will use any excuse he can get to keep from talking to the media about what he’s doing.

Which, last I checked, is EXACTLY what Belichick does…

TX_CHIEFSfan
TX_CHIEFSfan
Reply to  Chiefsfan115
02/05/2019 5:21 pm

Almost everything you post is completely idiotic imho
Just had to get that out there

Tony Sommer
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
02/05/2019 10:19 am

Except when he traded Alex Smith the week before the Super Bowl?

Rickrock58
Rickrock58
Reply to  workingmansdead
02/05/2019 7:03 pm

Would’ve upstaged this year lol

Tarkus
Reply to  Tony Sommer
02/05/2019 10:43 am

In fairness, they never announced the trade at that time, since it wasn’t even official until the end of the league year.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
02/05/2019 12:12 pm

Do you really think us announcing defensive assistants would upstage the super bowl? I mean I love the Chiefs but I don’t really care that much the assistant LB coach.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  DenverDonkeyHater
02/05/2019 12:34 pm

No I don’t, but I do think Andy will use that as an excuse to not have to talk to the media.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
02/05/2019 12:36 pm

I think shopping for Hawaiian shirts would be a better excuse

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  SCKSChief
02/05/2019 7:47 am

The assistant coach situation is day-to-day…

Fire_FG_the_moron
Fire_FG_the_moron
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/05/2019 1:55 pm

LITERALLY DAY-TO-DAY.

Leaf
Reply to  SCKSChief
02/05/2019 10:29 am

There was news. we wanted pierce but he didn’t want to leave ASU.

ProfChesterTQ
ProfChesterTQ
Reply to  SCKSChief
02/05/2019 11:35 am

It s day to day

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua
02/05/2019 6:56 am

Go away, Tony G. You made your bed – sleep in it.

Maw423
Maw423
02/05/2019 6:29 am

Home games should be played AT HOME! That being said, I’d take St Louis over Mexico City. Just as dangerous, but less elevation and travel. Tony G can take a hike. You don’t get to come crawling back with some half assed apology because you shot off at the mouth and it bit you in the ass.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan
02/05/2019 5:34 am

I’m not that familiar with Byron Murphy. Is he good at Man coverage or zone or both? How is his speed and coverage ability (does he stay attached at the hip to his guy?)?

Tyrone
Reply to  NHChiefsfan
02/05/2019 5:48 am

Speaking of hips, are his fluid? How fast can he flip them?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Tyrone
02/05/2019 5:52 am

Are his hips stiff, or loose? Is he good at filling a hole in the Zone without delay and with force?

And don’t get me started with questions about his pelvic thrust.

vvet818
Reply to  Tyrone
02/05/2019 7:14 am

I flipped these 68 year old hips yesterday on my daily walk and it was a damn good thing I had my cane with me or I still would be sobbing on some guys front lawn!

Maw423
Maw423
Reply to  NHChiefsfan
02/05/2019 6:30 am

Does he turn his head?

Berserker
Berserker
02/05/2019 5:20 am

I’ve gone back and forth on whether or not they should just move on from Ford. But lately, I’m thinking that position is just too vital to risk.

Tag Ford, draft a similar speed/size LB in the first three rounds.

Or, dream scenario, Spags resurrects KPass for Ford insurance.

Having Ford and Houston lets us speculate on the cheap at the #3 edge rush spot for a year.

Our “safe” move needs to be CB. Whether that be draft or FA or both. Because we’ve already got a hole in the starting lineup there. I like both Fuller and Ward, but just don’t believe either is a #1CB.

On the other hand, if we think our pass rush is going to be as good or better next season… Then maybe safety becomes more important than CB. Safeties who can make plays on hurried passes, and who can help against the run when opposing offenses use that to nullify our pass rush.

So…Maybe the strategy becomes adding a high draft pass rusher to what we’ve already got (including Ford), then draft one of the best safeties (or fast MLBs) with our next pick. And once again frustrate fans by letting the CB chips fall where they may.

NHChiefsfan
NHChiefsfan
Reply to  Berserker
02/05/2019 5:36 am

I’m not opposed to tagging Ford but I think it would be a huge mistake to give him any type of long term deal. Best to just search for the next guy (or maybe we already have them?)

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  NHChiefsfan
02/05/2019 5:44 am

Yeah. I really think he played through a couple minor injuries this season that he would not play through in a non-contract year.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Berserker
02/05/2019 6:03 am

Regardless of your opinion as to his health and effort in relation to that*, I still think a catch-and-release tag on Ford’s the way to go. Round about 25 or so, you stop growing up and start growing old. Dee is at his peak, right now, but how long can he sustain it? Tag him for next year (ain’t like he’s working for free), see what Spags can do with what we have and any additions, and if necessary, lather, rinse, repeat.

But only repeat once.

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/05/2019 6:11 am

Yeah. It’s too bad the team’s gotta begrudge Ford his max earnings potential like that. But it is what it is.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Berserker
02/05/2019 6:41 am

While Ford’s health issues aren’t exactly his fault, neither (another weird ‘ei’ word, BTW.) was it the fault of the team. So with no one “at fault”, the economics are what they are. Unfortunate for all involved. But if Ford churns out another good year, he’ll be ok, because he’ll get paid. Someone will wave good money at him.

I just don’t want it to be us. Love ya, Dee, and sorry as hell, but it is what it is.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua
Reply to  Berserker
02/05/2019 6:55 am

True. Fortunately, they will be paying him eight figures per year, which will help ease some of the earnings burden.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Berserker
02/05/2019 5:49 am

Agree with tagging Ford. I like him a lot, but at this point, the timing vs. economics is bad. He doesn’t have many years left in the tank, IMO. Even a premium contract right now is dicey for ROI, and if he repeats, his price will go up, not down. In a perfect world, he does that, grabs the Ring, and rides off into the NFC, to a fond farewell from us and a fat paycheck for him.

Doubt it goes down quite like that (I did say “perfect” and not “real”, remember), and burning a second tag might be needed – but for the sake of the Meatballs of The Flying Spaghetti Monster, if we can’t sign him at a discount to a contract, and instead tag him, don’t give him the long-term afterwards. Look at the fan reaction towards Berry and Houston, let alone Watkins.

Team Player
Team Player
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/05/2019 6:02 am

Fan reaction (outside of off-field behavior) should be the LAST thing that the Chiefs consider. There are a lot of smart fans but few have the expertise of the professionals at 1 Arrowhead Drive. Trust your experts.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Team Player
02/05/2019 6:14 am

Been my stance for quite a while, but I’m more in the trust those who have excellent information over those who have extremely limited information camp.
I’m sure it’s still unpopular to many, but people such as Sutton are experts at the pinnacle of the game, not folks who can be improved upon by a fan with zero experience.

But the point is that you have to assume that any senior coach in the NFL is either an expert or a victim of a ruthless culling system (Hi, Chip!), so the differentiating factor beyond that is the quality and quantity of information you have available.

We fans know approximately jack shit compared to NFL coaches.

Team Player
Team Player
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
02/05/2019 6:53 am

Agree with you entirely except one word. “Coach”
There as many people on the scouting staff as the coaching staff. And this is about player evaluation not training and execution

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  Team Player
02/05/2019 8:01 am

Rather, it’s about performance in a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league. Culling underperformers happens at all levels in the NFL, so by definition the worst coach in the NFL is an expert compared to the average fan. But your average fan will ignore that, because they know better. Lack of information is another matter. Those who are as well-informed as the worst NFL franchise are rare.

Trust the experts, yes, but don’t just trust them because they are experts, trust them because they have better data than you do.

But that said, never trust them blindly or fully.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic
Reply to  Berserker
02/05/2019 6:48 am

Definitely tag Ford, then let him walk next year. Not a fan of giving out anymore Houston like contracts, especially to a player with his injury history.

Also I’d sign a safety in FA. Hopefully Watts can stay healthy and develop into something. I’d draft another corner.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua
Reply to  QuackTastic
02/05/2019 6:54 am

Ford needs one more 16 game, fight through injury season and then I’d #pay the man.

It’s not talent I’m worried about, or even scheme fit — I’d imagine Spags can customize that LEO spot into a wide-9 or even a 3-1-3 type look pretty readily, if THAT’s the issue. I’m more worried about him staying in one piece for the time committed & money being paid.

When Dee’s on the field he’ll earn it – he’s proven that here. But what’s still unproven is, can he stay on the field? This season helped. He needs another healthy year like it.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  go_saleaumua
02/05/2019 10:11 am

^this. I agree. If he can cover TEs/ RBs that would be gravely. And I am ready to pay the man ?

ElPasoJason
ElPasoJason
Reply to  Berserker
02/05/2019 8:53 am

TL;DR but i did read part of it and completely agree that Fuller is great and i like Wards improvement thus far. I would feel far mor comfortable if we could pick up Ramsey or get really lucky in the draft with a CB1.

Edit: And now I did read it all. I still think a CB is the way to go OTBE. Would love to see a pair of good coverage corners who can disrupt routes on the line. I’m betting we stick with Sorenson and Berry at safety because thats just what we do now, it seems.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  ElPasoJason
02/05/2019 10:12 am

We gotta stop the run first, I think we go MLB.

Leaf
Reply to  RDD India
02/05/2019 10:38 am

I think our biggest needs are still ILB/mike and safety. Everything else could be improved, but they aren’t liabilities

Berserker
Berserker
Reply to  Leaf
02/05/2019 10:39 pm

I’m kinda thinking of safety and MLB the same way now. Very basically, the same responsibilities – cover short middle zones, run support sideline to sideline. I think an improvement with one of those spots would greatly lessen the need for improvement at the other.

Might be that Berry finally comes with two sturdy ankles, and fixes these problems all by himself.

I’d like to think of DoD as a new age MLB, but after seeing him kinda struggle to diagnose traffic between the tackles last season, I’m thinking he should stay outside as a WLB.

Spider
Spider
Reply to  ElPasoJason
02/05/2019 10:40 am

S was addressed last year, however Watts’s development got interrupted by injury. It’ll be interesting what a year in the film room may accomplish.

BleedingRedAndGold
02/05/2019 5:02 am

Got to potato-chipping over at The Mothership, and ran across this. Was originally gonna post the link because of the obvious chuckle from their news headline “Despite Every Reason to, Patrick Mahomes Still Doesn’t Make MVP Award About Himself” – like that’s news to anyone with a pulse? But there are a couple tidbits in there; his offseason plans, but perhaps more importantly, how he dove into the media circus prior to the SB.

Remember, he’s got a remarkable memory, and since his offseason schedule began the day after the SB, I have little doubt that he will develop a plan for handling the circus when it’s his turn. It’s like I could recite the Seven Ps to him and he’d say something like, ‘right on. I felt like that for as long as I can remember, but never heard to put down in just seven words.’.

But bad jokes aside, there is every indication that the kid’s a planner, and one who extends his plans into the long range. That’s a good thing.

https://www.chiefs.com/news/despite-every-reason-to-patrick-mahomes-still-doesn-t-make-mvp-award-about-himse

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