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Chiefs news for 27 December 2018

KC Chiefs could get back injured Laurent Duvernay-Tardif | KC Star

For first time since early October, this key offensive lineman practices with Chiefs.

With huge game vs. Oakland ahead, here’s why Chiefs‘ Berry sat late | KC Star

With a towel over his head, Eric Berry watched on from the sideline as third-year safety Jordan Lucas took over his spot.

Five Things We Learned from Andy Reid on Wednesday | The Mothership

“He had every intention of going into the fourth quarter but there was only so many snaps he can take right now. He’s easing back into it. I have full trust in him, it’s not a matter of that. If he could have gone a half, we would have gone a half.”

If the Kansas City Chiefs want to write a new ending, they have to fear death | Arrowhead Addict

False hope is more torturous than knowing an unhappy ending is coming. It’s what makes being a fan of franchises like the Chiefs arguably even more miserable than franchises like the Cleveland Browns. But perhaps the Chiefs have found their Bruce Wayne—the man able to finally claw this franchise out of the pit and into the light above.

Damien Williams alleviates Chiefs’ challenge of replacing Kareem Hunt | ESPN

The Chiefs have needed that something extra of late from Williams, who has helped keep their season from falling apart after they lost their top two backs. Since the Chiefs started to call on Williams frequently in the last four games he has rushed for 204 yards.

Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: “We can make a run at this thing” | The Mothership

My family understands what this season is and what I need to do in order to be ready. I got to wake up at like six in the morning with my little sister there, then I came in for a couple of hours and got to watch film and stuff like I would usually do on any other Tuesday. I made sure I got my film study in and then when I went home I hung out with them a little bit and then they went to sleep, and I studied a little bit more.

Patrick Mahomes gets Jon Gruden’s MVP vote | 247Sports

Count Jon Gruden as being among those who thinks Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes should be the one to get the nod for this season’s Most Valuable Player award in the National Football League.

Rest of the West

Denver Broncos: Odds are against Bradley Chubb winning Defensive Rookie of the Year | Predominately Orange

Chubb even eclipsed 10 sacks in his rookie season (he has 12 with one game remaining). But Bovada figures the odds are against Chubb when it comes down to who wins Defensive Rookie of the Year honors. Of the top four candidates for winning the award, Chubb is the fourth. His odds are stacked at +1600.

Broncos 3rd & long: getting a higher draft pick for Christmas | Mile High Report

The Broncos have now lost to three teams this season who, most likely, will be drafting before us in 2019. Let that sink in.

Chargers have to fix poor starts before postseason | ESPN

Over the past five games, the Chargers have been outscored 43-14 in the opening quarter.

Kay Adams: Los Angeles Chargers still have the ‘most complete team’ in AFC | Yahoo Sports

NFL Network’s Kay Adams discusses why she believes the Los Angeles Chargers are the best team in the AFC heading into Week 17 of the 2018 season.

Key Matchups: Stopping the Chiefs’ dynamic playmakers in the Raiders season finale | Raiders.com

The Silver and Black will face another tough test this Sunday in Kansas City, going toe-to-toe with Dee Ford and Justin Houston. The tandem has combined for 19.5 sacks and has been a constant problem for offensive lines, and if the Raiders O-line can protect Derek Carr the offense might be able to keep pace with the Chiefs.

Jon Gruden addresses recent firing of Raiders strength coach Tom Shaw | NBC Sports

Gruden was asked during his Wednesday press conference if he had any comment on Shaw’s reported firing, and answered it was “a personal matter,” and he would leave it at that. Gruden also added it was something the Raiders would deal with once the season was over, which it will be after Sunday.

https://twitter.com/LacesOutShow/status/1078089373328003072

Rest of the Rest

Nick Foles, Baker Mayfield among NFL Players of the Week |NFL.com

In front of a thrilled Cleveland faithful, Mayfield led the Browns to a victory over the rival Bengals, 26-18, when he threw three touchdowns. The rookie completed 27 of 37 passes for 284 yards and had no interceptions as he took home his first of what Cleveland fans hope is many NFL weekly accolades.

Cowboys’ Sean Lee, Bucs’ Jameis Winston need new team in ’19 | NFL.com

Chances are there will be a little more tact involved if teams do indeed part with these veterans this offseason. However, with the final days of 2018 upon us, I’m taking a look at some big-name players who should get a fresh start with a different club next year.

Eli Manning isn’t looking ahead to uncertain 2019 | NFL.com

And when the season is officially in the books, the Giants have plenty of decisions to make during the offseason at numerous positions on the roster, including quarterback. Eli Manning, however, apparently isn’t giving too much thought to what the future holds for him as the team’s starting signal-caller.

Mike Tomlin opposed to expanding replay to PI reviews | NFL.com

Coach Mike Tomlin disagreed with some of the calls in the loss but does not think expanding replay to make pass interference penalties reviewable is the answer. As a member of the NFL’s competition committee, Tomlin acknowledged that the group will likely again discuss making PI subject to review but doesn’t see it as the solution.

2019 NFL Draft: Top quarterbacks to know with Justin Herbert returning to Oregon | CBS Sports

Oregon’s Justin Herbert announced on Wednesday that he’ll return to school for his senior season, which means there will be one fewer first-round talent in the 2019 NFL Draft class. And while this is great news for the Ducks, it’s a troubling development for quarterback-needy NFL teams who were hoping Herbert would be draft-eligible this offseason.

Opinion: Gregg Williams built case for Browns job, but he’s likely not right long-term fit | WKYC

The long-time defensive coordinator should definitely receive consideration. But Dorsey and Haslam have to remove emotions from this situation. They have to ask themselves if this wave of success is sustainable and if continuity will breed the necessary strides that will transform Cleveland into legitimate contenders.

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SCKSChief
SCKSChief
12/27/2018 1:18 pm

Watching the Independence Bowl (shopping didn’t take long at all, hallelujer) and the Temple RB just trucked a Duke DB so hard the whole crowd yelled, “Oooooh!”

MasterChief
MasterChief
12/27/2018 12:22 pm

The Morning Huddle around here is fantastic! Thanks for the hard work and gathering all that!

Pelletman
Pelletman
12/27/2018 11:55 am

Sammy Watkins is the only player not practicing today for the #Chiefs.

— BJ Kissel (@ChiefsReporter) December 27, 2018

ericfrommo
ericfrommo
Reply to  Pelletman
12/27/2018 12:38 pm

i thought they were just holding him out since we have had #1 seed lead for all of the year and it gave him more time to rest and get 100% healthy. is he still that far off from coming back? I remember he practiced on it and it felt sore so they held him out now he seems to have taken 10 steps back???

Tarkus
12/27/2018 11:54 am

Regarding Watkins…

Looks like @Chiefs all along hoping for playoff return. Still wounds like a 5th metatarsal stress fracture is still high on list of possibilities. https://t.co/sAzjow540R

— David J. Chao, MD (@ProFootballDoc) December 26, 2018

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
12/27/2018 10:45 am

Well, I know you’re probably all jealous as hell, but I get to go shopping with my wife now. Hoo boy…

RDD India
RDD India
12/27/2018 9:48 am

Whats wrong with Packers? Jim Caldwell? I can’t get my mind around that. It’s all good for us I guess…..keeps them in dungeon.

ProfChesterTQ
ProfChesterTQ
12/27/2018 9:47 am

So after careful analysis of the Seattle Seahawks All-22 gamefilm against the Chiefs, I believe I have found the gameplan other teams might use to defeat The Great Bob Suttons’s Charlie Brown Defense:

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RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  ProfChesterTQ
12/27/2018 9:49 am

LOL ! Best analysis ever!! Rec’ed. Fanpost?

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  RDD India
12/27/2018 4:49 pm

Def a fanpost.

Mink Farmer
Mink Farmer
Reply to  ProfChesterTQ
12/27/2018 10:06 am

Oh come on, we’re not that terr… no, no. This is about right.

Maw423
Maw423
12/27/2018 9:47 am

Working should be banned between Christmas and New Years. Pass the Bert’s, I’ve got another 92 miles to the second stop of my day.

Thanks for more Chiefs news! Makes things atleast bearable.

Oh….and F*CK THE RAIDERS!

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  Maw423
12/27/2018 4:50 pm

Working should be banned between new years and christmas, more like it.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
12/27/2018 9:43 am

That’s odd…I didn’t notice an article discussing the Chiefs search for their next DC.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/27/2018 9:45 am

But that’s the way Reid works…. whispers and shadows !

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  RDD India
12/27/2018 9:47 am

Maybe he needs to try bright lights, screaming, and rubber hoses to get Bob to put together a competent game plan.

ProfChesterTQ
ProfChesterTQ
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/27/2018 9:51 am

Reid needs to get Childress back here to do a couple more Special Projects with Bob Sutton…
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RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  ProfChesterTQ
12/27/2018 9:56 am

Is that Bert’s ?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  RDD India
12/27/2018 9:58 am

Nah. Why would Chilly waste good Bert’s like that?

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/27/2018 10:00 am

Gets wimmen interested. Does lighting up after waterboarding on agenda?

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/27/2018 9:54 am

Speaking of defensive game plan, it’s like whatever homers were saying we should do, BS tried , but failed miserably. All desperate moves.
I dunno much history of BS, but was he fired from the army job he had?

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/27/2018 9:55 am

& some BHQV to put some fire in his belly (or up the as%$^).

EAFOX
12/27/2018 9:39 am

Mahomes will dominate in the playoffs. Watkins will put up huge numbers to carry us to the Super Bowl. Eric Berry will have the game winning pick in the Super Bowl as the Chiefs beat the Saints 62-58. Bob Sutton is carried off the field.

Panzer85
Panzer85
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 9:43 am

*..on a stretcher (and you’ve got a deal)

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 9:44 am

Who puts Bob on stretcher?
Just kidding.
I think 7 pts a drive an 8-9 drives a game is the only way to win, as I see it. Coupla from special teams wont hurt much either.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  RDD India
12/27/2018 10:16 am

Nobody puts Bobby on a stretcher.

HockeyWinger
HockeyWinger
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 9:47 am

“Bob Sutton is carried off the field.”
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fishbowl72
Reply to  HockeyWinger
12/27/2018 9:53 am

Loved that movie

ChiefsF8hful
ChiefsF8hful
Reply to  HockeyWinger
12/27/2018 9:55 am

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RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  ChiefsF8hful
12/27/2018 9:58 am

Finally I got some proof!
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KCChef
KCChef
Reply to  RDD India
12/28/2018 12:29 am

TB to BS : ” Just Keep Doin’ Whatch Yer Doin’ Bobby Boy … ” …

ChiefOfTheWolfpack
ChiefOfTheWolfpack
12/27/2018 9:28 am

As long as the 1 seed is acquired against the Raiders, the woes of the regular season do not matter. Eric Berry’s infinite day-to-day injury, Watkins’ glass foot, the defense eating piles of shit every week, and the rash of injuries on the offensive line, all done. All that matters is the postseason. Watkins should be back after the bye week assuming we get it, LDT looks like he’s on track, Berry will be 100%, and Hill will have time to rest his foot.

The team is what it is, and they’re getting healthy at the right time.

EAFOX
Reply to  ChiefOfTheWolfpack
12/27/2018 9:30 am

Our defense sucks but they did have perhaps four games this year where their performance was a key to victory. Needing three wins to become Super Bowl champion, they will need to show up at least once to make it happen.

EAFOX
12/27/2018 9:04 am

A Tale of Two Coaches

Andy Reid joined the Chiefs after the Romeo Crennel debacle and instantly turned us into a winner by adding an average quarterback to the mix. His positive look forward has impacted the entire team as we have made the playoffs in all but one of his years as head coach.

Jon Gruden took over the Raiders who only two years earlier were a serious threat to go to the AFC Championship game with a quarterback who made a serious run at MVP that year. Gruden has torn down that team and alienated many of his players and tanked this season.

Reid is all about the team. Gruden is all about Gruden. When the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, Reid will praise everyone but him whereas should the Raiders ever win a Super Bowl, Gruden will have that smug “I am a coaching genius” look on his face.

fishbowl72
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 9:08 am

I just made a pitcher of my new cocktail… the Raiderita. It’s one gallon of Bert’s High Quality Tequila and one gallon of Prestone.

EAFOX
Reply to  fishbowl72
12/27/2018 9:10 am

I would not put my mouth on anything connected to the Raiders.

fishbowl72
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 9:13 am

Never said I was drinking it. My ex and my brother in law are raiders fans, and both have overstayed their welcome this holiday season.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  fishbowl72
12/27/2018 9:14 am

BHQV use # 27; Family Mediator

EAFOX
Reply to  fishbowl72
12/27/2018 9:28 am

Perfect concoction for a Raiders fan.

fishbowl72
12/27/2018 8:45 am

Kinda sucks that Christmas happened at the beginning of Raider week. I just don’t have the built up hostility, disgust, or contempt that they deserve. I may actually have pity for that misfit bunch of homeless sodomites. Maybe Sunday will help solidify Mahomes’ proper nickname… St Patrick. December 30 should be declared the new St Patrick’s Day as it will be remembered as the day the chosen one drove the sodomite hoard from Arrowhead and banished them to an eternity of futility wandering the desert southwest (or at least until that dude with the Captain Kangaroo haircut decides to move them again).

EAFOX
Reply to  fishbowl72
12/27/2018 8:49 am

You should always have hostility, disgust, and contempt towards the Raiders.

fishbowl72
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 8:55 am

For their fans, yes. The team itself is more like a bunch of sparkle goths vaping outside a Denny’s somewhere led by Captain Eyeliner.

fishbowl72
Reply to  fishbowl72
12/27/2018 9:01 am

And Mark Davis is like their drunken, abusive stepdad who lost his job and decided to pack up the family and leave town without a real plan for the future, looking for a homeless shelter until they get approved for section 8 housing in Vegas.

EAFOX
Reply to  fishbowl72
12/27/2018 9:07 am

Gruden and Davis deserve each other. They are both smug A holes that are quick to blame someone else for their predicament.

fishbowl72
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 9:18 am

And they’re starting to look alike. Scary.

EAFOX
Reply to  fishbowl72
12/27/2018 9:31 am

Gruden is Al Davis love child.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 10:11 am

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HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  RDD India
12/27/2018 12:13 pm

Pumpkin pie haircutted freak

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  HawaiiFiveOh
12/27/2018 12:50 pm

Seriously, for a rich dude that’s the best haircut he can come up with?

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  SCKSChief
12/27/2018 3:43 pm

I mean Jon Gruden’s haircut isn’t any better, but at least he’s not ugly as sin. Mark Davis looks like some inbred noble from the Hapsburg dynasty.

fansince63
fansince63
Reply to  fishbowl72
12/27/2018 10:54 am

My favorite is that Mark Davis looks like microwaved John Gruden leftovers.

ChiefsF8hful
ChiefsF8hful
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 9:48 am

Grew up a Chief fan in Raider territory, 60s, 70s, 80s, early to mid 90s. I am the number 1 Raider Hater in existence. If the Chiefs went 2-14 on the season, and those only 2 wins were against the Raiders, I’d be a happy boy. I want to crush Oakland every time we play them.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake
Reply to  ChiefsF8hful
12/27/2018 10:36 am

I am the number 1 Raider Hater in existence.

That’s quite a claim considering where you are, but I have no problem with it. I grew up watching football during those years also, and learned to despise the team we are playing on Sunday. If you want to carry that mantle, more power to you. Just remember the burden that you carry. 😉

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  probablyamistake
12/27/2018 10:39 am

It’s kinda like the One Ring. Don’t let it control you!

HockeyWinger
HockeyWinger
Reply to  probablyamistake
12/27/2018 10:41 am

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We can ALL hate the raiders the most.

stjoechief
12/27/2018 8:36 am

Marshawn Lynch’s Beast Mode days are long gone, but I’ve always enjoyed his, “I’m just here so I don’t get fined” attitude. Him lighting a blunt off of Cryptkeeper Al’s torch made my morning. The Raiders are a zombie team going through the motions at this point. Let’s just hope the Chiefs remember that you have to completely dismember and burn a zombie or it will claw your brain out when you’re not paying attention.

EAFOX
Reply to  stjoechief
12/27/2018 8:41 am

We need a quick start against the Raiders on offense and defense and I firmly believe that they will mail in their performance for the rest of the game. Their Super Bowl was winning their final home game. Having said that, the longer they are in the game, the more they will fight to ruin our number one seed. We should win regardless but it should be a HUGE blowout if we hit them quick and often.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 10:08 am

Bingo! we gotta get up by 21 in no time, I mean like in first quarter itself. Then pass rushers can go after the QB. Would be fun to watch Gruden wreathe in pain and agony.

EAFOX
12/27/2018 8:33 am

RAIDERS SUCK.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  EAFOX
12/27/2018 9:26 am

Rec’d for the TRUTH!

ChiefsF8hful
ChiefsF8hful
12/27/2018 8:22 am

It’s even worse for the Raiders than they think. Ford and Houston do have 19.5 sacks, combined, but Chris Jones has 15.5 all by himself.

GermanChief
GermanChief
12/27/2018 8:09 am

I flew into the US last week and celebrated Christmas here. Now I getting ready for KC. Can’t wait for my 2018 live game, and it’s actually worth something. This is why I go to work.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  GermanChief
12/27/2018 8:19 am

Awesome!

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  GermanChief
12/27/2018 9:44 am

I hope it meets expectations and that you still feel it’s “worth it” after the game. I cannot shake this nagging feeling that KC is going to lay a steaming turd in this one…

RDD India
RDD India
12/27/2018 7:37 am

Don’t want to start war, but I was thinking – in last playoff game, what if PM II has played like may be just for last quarter. Can we hypothetically say Andy being the smartest offensive guru and all and him being with PMII all year long would have some inkling @ PM II’s capability? Wouldnt that be far from reality? I am discounting the fact that he may/ may not have been active etc. Just a wild thought. So should Andy get some blame for this too?

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  RDD India
12/27/2018 7:59 am

Right or wrong this was Alex’s team last year.

From the other angle, what if Andy puts Mahomes in and he looks even worse? That could not only hurt Alex’s trade value, but might also make the team think twice about trading Alex.

That loss hurt, but in the end it played out for the best.

ChiefOfTheWolfpack
ChiefOfTheWolfpack
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/27/2018 9:12 am

Mahomes needed the full year for sure. I don’t think he’s nearly as successful had he come in during the midseason slump we had. All in all, last year was a bit of a lame duck season that gave us false hope when we beat New England week 1

ProfChesterTQ
ProfChesterTQ
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/27/2018 9:59 am

Woah… Sorry, Tony, I’m going to have to negate everything you said after “Right or Wrong”… it was blatantly clear by Zebra-Standards that your forward progress had been stopped… therefore the rest of your comment is moot…
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Mink Farmer
Mink Farmer
Reply to  ProfChesterTQ
12/27/2018 10:14 am

This will never not fill me with rage.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  Mink Farmer
12/27/2018 10:18 am

I’m furious just looking at it.

tsv0728
tsv0728
Reply to  Mink Farmer
12/27/2018 10:20 am

Craziest bullshit I’ve ever seen called. I don’t know how you couldn’t assume that someone was conspiring against the Chiefs. Even if it was just Triplette betting against them. I mean, how in the actual fuck…..

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  tsv0728
12/27/2018 10:21 am

Agreed. Conspiratorial to the Nth degree.

MasterChief
MasterChief
Reply to  Mink Farmer
12/27/2018 12:20 pm

Yep. I did a frame-by-frame analysis from another angle and it is clearly a fumble. That should have won the game for us.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  Mink Farmer
12/27/2018 4:56 pm

Should we ban him?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief
Reply to  ProfChesterTQ
12/27/2018 10:23 am

Someone needs to take it upon themselves to send this to the head of NFL officiating every day until the Chiefs win a Superb Owl.

Mink Farmer
Mink Farmer
Reply to  RDD India
12/27/2018 10:13 am

I remember early in that game, when my naive self was filled with optimism and hope, saying to my friend, “How big do you think the lead needs to be before they put in Mahomes?” I was so excited at the prospect. Then… Well, you know.

zulu trader
zulu trader
12/27/2018 7:18 am

quiet this morning. Thanks WMD. Kind of a funky week.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
12/27/2018 7:18 am

Oh, and F*** the oakland raiders

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
12/27/2018 7:36 am

because its slow and I have nothing else to do; at the other site they had 78 comments on the evening thread — 36 of them were steve-chiefs. most of them in response to his own post

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  zulu trader
12/27/2018 7:38 am

Steve-chiefs does have an active mind. Wish he had split with us and joined here.

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  RDD India
12/27/2018 7:40 am

yes, his mind is actively thinking about himself, and I am super happy he stayed at the other site

zulu trader
zulu trader
Reply to  zulu trader
12/27/2018 7:41 am

of course I am responding to my own posts!

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  zulu trader
12/27/2018 8:00 am

Agreed. The holidays and a 2nd Chiefs loss has kinda thrown us all off our game. Time to turn the volume up to 11 around here and get things rockin.

ericfrommo
ericfrommo
12/27/2018 7:03 am

Its Raider Week!!!! need to finish strong and kick their ass. You know Chucky is going to have his boys ready to spoil the chiefs #1 seed.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  ericfrommo
12/27/2018 7:12 am

Heard somewhere that Chucky may even cut some slack for his old buddy. How absurd. This is gonna be one hell of a game. Its gonna be blow out right outta gate.

ericfrommo
ericfrommo
Reply to  RDD India
12/27/2018 7:14 am

god i hope so.. we seem to be in typical chiefs December fashion playing flat and losing. hopefully we change that this week .

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  ericfrommo
12/27/2018 7:34 am

Yeah. That certainly is the pattern, this year too. I dunno, this time we have PM II, so may be even if we do same things as habit (of losing), we may end up being a winner as we may do same things differently.

Anthony Stratton
Reply to  ericfrommo
12/27/2018 8:03 am

I hope not. I want the Raiders to give us their best. Itd be worse IMO to slide into the 1 seed feeling over confident.

The Chiefs have had their chances to make things easy, now they need to earn it. Hopefully they’ll remember the sting of the last two losses come the playoffs.

RDD India
RDD India
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/27/2018 9:19 am

Right’on. I want Raiders come with passion and stuff and I want us to send them smoldering.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh
Reply to  Anthony Stratton
12/27/2018 10:56 am

I don’t think it’s possible for the Chiefs to be overconfident at this point for two reasons. First: it ain’t bragging if you can do it. Second: Losing two games in a row, but crushing the Raiders is not exactly something to hang your hat on.

Sparhawk23
Reply to  RDD India
12/27/2018 9:27 am

I don’t think chucky will cut anyone slack, but I do think he may play younger. Players who most likely won’t be on team next will be sat for players he wants to see in game action to see what he has. Those players won’t mail it in. They will want to prove they belong. Besides Carr won’t either. Defense better be ready.

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