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Team Player
03/29/2024 10:33 pm

Not to get into the inanity of the discussion but come on folks. Know your big words if you use them. A zygote is half a fertilized egg. Sperm or egg only.

pompano
Reply to  Team Player
03/29/2024 11:10 pm

then blastocyst 
which should not be left on dusty ground either

Last edited 21 days ago by pompano
saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:11 pm

Can I ask you a serious question?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:15 pm

are you capable?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:17 pm

Do you believe in basic human rights?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:26 pm

your question is ultimately when does human life begin, and my response is the balance struck by RvW seemed satisfactory for the vast majority for 50 yrs.
Now a fetus has more rights than the host, makes no sense,

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:30 pm

You didn’t answer my question. Do you believe in Human rights?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:32 pm

you have not defined human, so

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:38 pm

I have done so ,plenty

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:44 pm

not really, but by your ill-defined and unsupported definition you are correct….does not hold water with me

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:47 pm

Do you want to know my Pro choice to Pro life ”evolution”?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:50 pm

not really, unless you can couch it as pro choice to anti choice

pompano
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:54 pm

and i vaguely recall your story, sad for all involved, but should not be determinative for everyone

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:56 pm

Ok, well I was Pro Choice , to the point of pulling the plug on a fetus born 6 weeks pre mature. Booom, kill it no guilt. It is in a bubble, can’t survive on its own

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:01 am

if it was not viable it was not killed, it died

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:04 am

NO!, IT was in an incubator and could survive!! That was the point

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:11 am

that don’t sound right, incubator (i.e. heat and O2) only, no other measures?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:12 am

No, I am saying it is being supported by outside measures until it can recover

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:18 am

recover from what? if it was just incubation ..i don’t know

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:23 am

Ok, let me try to close this loop

I believe in liberalism. I believe in humanism. I want more humans on the planet to interact with. I believe we as a species, should protect our own. I think (know) abortion stands in the way of that

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:37 am

Ok, a somewhat cogent agreement.
It does prevent births, but does not “stand in the way” of pop growth, unless you want to meet lot of people brought up unwanted or with a mother who died from complications, likely with complications of their own

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:41 am

Ok, now we are in consequentialist territory. I skew Utilitarian, so I believe the more humans we have on the planet, the problems we can solve

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:46 am

do they all have access to clean water, 1000 Einsteins die from cholera throws the curve off..

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:54 am

Does it? Or do the Einsteins of the world figure out a way to survive?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:07 am

and that’s a hard thing to go thru for you and the mother, prob one of the worst things a parent has to face.
but only supports a personal stance

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:34 pm

nor did you address mine

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:37 pm

The ”host” FORCED this being into existence due to her OWN actions, Plus , do I need to remind you what a womb is for

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:41 pm

well the host may have been forcibly impregnated, happens frequently, are the host’s rights then null and void?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:43 pm

again…you retreat to marginal cases. That aside, CONSENTUAL sex pregnancies

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:46 pm

why does that matter? and it’s not “marginal” when laws are involved

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:56 pm

98% matters

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:59 pm

where does this % come from?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:02 am

OMG!! If we passed a law that benefitted 98% of people and left 2% behind , should we not pass that law?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:23 am

depends on the effect it hs on the 2.
“It has been determined that 2% of the population will be executed for the greater good, and they happen to be LBGTQ”
you cool with that

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:27 am

Trolly situation?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:41 am

to an extent, but applying that logic to legislation is a runawawy train, not a thought experiment

pompano
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:42 am

fuck me it’s late.
any funnies requests?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:44 am

you know me

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:49 am

probably

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:43 am

Sure, but you gave me an impossible of both worlds

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:47 am

you are sooo close…

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/30/2024 12:52 am

It is, because no matter what you do, some people will suffer

pompano
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 11:33 pm

.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:30 pm

is a blastocyst human?

NovaChiefs
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:01 am

Why do you insist on asking such insanely stupid questions?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  NovaChiefs
03/30/2024 12:05 am

Ok, well you are a sub 85 IQ and can not have a real conversation. No wonder this site hasn’t grown.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/30/2024 12:14 am

please stop that, it requires at least 89IQ to do a MH with a running gag

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:17 pm

fire when ready

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 11:29 pm

notice you avoided Teams point, strange that

Snafu
Reply to  Team Player
03/30/2024 2:09 am

thank yuou

pompano
03/29/2024 10:24 pm

.

BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 9:45 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 9:46 pm
upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 9:48 pm

whoa

360 degree spinning guitar? who comes up with these things?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 10:03 pm

A different channel, prolly linked.

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 10:04 pm

chapman stick is amazing

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 10:02 pm
pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 10:10 pm

good to see you btw

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 10:17 pm

Great seeing you. Hope all is well

upamtn
03/29/2024 9:21 pm

Saints, you said:

Ok, how about this
1 A white woman has sex with a black man and she regrets it, has a real animus toward black people and chooses to terminate the pregnancy
2 A white woman has sex with another white man and chooses to terminate the pregnacy
Do you ascribe any moral weight between the two?

no weight one way or another … should there be?

remember, you’re stating things in “black and white” (SWIDT) but things are rarely that simple … nonetheless: according to you either way abortion is murder

and I’m asking, again: how do YOU get to be the arbiter of who shall live and who shall die? upon what authority (aside from your own) and without injecting religion or god … IOW: abortion is murder? SAYS WHO???

as a corollary: how can you endorse war, as it is also murder?

(also, you still haven’t answered my “Law of Life” question”

pompano
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:30 pm

that was a self own i was considering a response to…animus only applies to fuckin a black guy?
what about a black chick fucking a white dude and regretting it?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 9:35 pm

He was the one bringing up slavery and what not , but ya, I view it all as murder and reprehensible

probablyamistake
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:40 pm

Why?

pompano
Reply to  probablyamistake
03/29/2024 9:44 pm

a zygote born of violence and or hate has more rights than the vessel?
that’s all i got

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 9:46 pm

nor was I the one to first raise the issue of slavery … that woulda been saints (for the record)

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:50 pm

The same argument that Africans were not real people are the same reasons you won’t grant the unborn basic Civil rights, Just sayin

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:41 pm

not an answer

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 9:42 pm

Tell it to Ups, not Saints.

pompano
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 10:03 pm

well, i did, but it still falls back on the original racial premise

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:34 pm

I view a fertilized egg as a human life that should have basic human rights, I.e, no be killed , Period. Considering we ALL stated out in this state, I don’t see how this is a controversial statement

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:41 pm

even if conceived by an act of violent rape?

so, a zygote has more “rights” than the woman who got raped???

moreover, that woman (in your mind) must now be forced to carry that zygote for 9 months (no matter what it does to her personal life, because “sanctity of life!”) and THEN spend the next 20 years feeding and raising that zygote (an expensive and time-consuming thing, to be sure) …

to me that’s insanely controversial!

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:47 pm

BOOM FOLKS! There it is, the same marginal cases that all Pro Choicers end up going down

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:50 pm

yet, according to you, you have the “right” to kill any living thing

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:54 pm

Ok, so I can just shoot my neighbor and that is ok in my moral framework? That is what you have gotten out of this convo?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:55 pm

I don’t know … is it wrong? or do you make “exceptions”

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 10:04 pm

Ok, so in order for me to be morally consistent in this argumentation, I basically have to beee… like a Janeist or something. I have to treat every living organism EXACTLY the same as I am right now ZERO exceptions

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 10:13 pm

so any overt action that results in the termination of a human life regardless of definition?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:51 pm

boom…the repercussions are happening now, it’s not hypothetical, dumbass

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:41 pm

Is it manslaughter if a fertilized egg fails to implant? What about the rights of an embryo in an ectopic pregnancy? They started out in the same state, and non-viable embryos do, too. Oh, and if the donors are killed, who pays to keep those embryos frozen, since they’ll never be given a chance to implant anyway? Because that’s what happens to them, they insert a batch of them and hope that one takes. Not alll of them do, have they been murdered?

That’s a silly simplification of what’s in play here, you’re smarter than this.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 9:46 pm

Miscarriages happen all the time, that is Not the mothers fault, we both know this. Having a failed pregnancy and going to a clinic when you are 8 weeks to terminate the fetus are two different things. I will allot the same label to you as you gave me.

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:49 pm

 terminate the fetus?
murder?
be consistent, and 8 wks seems arbitrary

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 9:52 pm

When is it wrong to terminate the pregnancy

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:53 pm

here’s one for ya …

WHY is it wrong to PREVENT a pregnancy from happening?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:55 pm

you mean birth control? Contraception?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 10:01 pm

yes

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 10:05 pm

How is that wrong or immoral? I thought we were talking about abortion?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 10:16 pm

I never said it’s wrong or immoral

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 10:18 pm

I am all for contraception. Did you think otherwise

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 10:20 pm

but ONLY in advance, yes?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 10:21 pm

so long as it prevents the sperm fertalizing the egg

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:34 pm

First, your bold question, to which I answer that this is an invalid comparison, since you are deliberately mixing racism into a question of abortion morality.

As for “war is murder”, that’s an inaccurate statement. Murder is a special subset of the act of killing, as manslaughter and negligent homicide are in different categories, thus killing in war falls outside the definition of murder.

For myself, I’m pro-choice, because abortion bans are a one-size-fits-all solution to situations that have individual contexts, and only sadists want people to suffer to feel morally superior. Vlad Tepes was arguable more ethical, since he learned the value of atrocities from his time in the Ottoman military, and used them to defend his province from a greatly more powerful empire.

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 9:38 pm

BRaG … the top in bold is what Saints wrote … (I re-posted up here where there’s more space to read L-R instead of Top to Bottom

yes, was is indeed murder (justified or not)

agreed on last paragraph, thank you

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:40 pm

Then manslaughter is murder, same as murder one. Oversimplification feels good, right? I’m calling out Saints for doing the same thing.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:42 pm

You are a progressive are you not?? I thought you guys were supposed to believe in all sorts of rights that were entitled by the mere case of being human

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:45 pm

you assume a lot

again, I ask you: why is a zygote MORE SPECIAL than a grown adult?

although I’d also ask: is an acorn nut that has sprouted a teeny tiny itty bitty 1/4″ root an oak tree?

(this is a yes or no thing, btw … no elaboration please)

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:48 pm

So when is it not permittable for a woman to get an abortion?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:49 pm

ha!

according to you abortion = murder

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:57 pm

I am asking you. When is to permissible to get an elective abortion?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 10:03 pm

doesn’t matter what I say or think: you’ll call me a murderer

pompano
03/29/2024 9:07 pm

Oh lord

BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 8:59 pm

For those who’re interested.

upamtn
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 9:01 pm

Appalachian Bluegrass Death Metal?

well now, that’s different! 🙂

upamtn
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:04 pm

i like it

not what i’d call death metal … uptempo … good stuff

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:16 pm

I don’t judge, I just share stuff I think is good. Prolly habituated by years of Afternights.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:06 pm

Brother, you have no idea about Death metal

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:15 pm
saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:24 pm
BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:19 pm

It’s not death metal, but they are metal as hell, ever hear of Sabaton?

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 9:21 pm

Easter egg (tis the season): they have a history channel where they go over the historical context of each song.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 9:21 pm

I haven’t , but this more align to what I listen to.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:24 pm

My elder son turned me on to them, so if you like, rock on. If you don’t, rock on anyway.

gonzangkc11
03/29/2024 8:45 pm

RIP, MY BROTHER
..
..
Louis Gossett Jr., Oscar-winning star of ‘An Officer and a Gentleman,’ dead at 87
..

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  gonzangkc11
03/29/2024 8:49 pm

oh man that sucks

Never say die, iron Eagle

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:08 pm

Not a bad movie.

Snafu
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 9:09 pm

Cool but corny scene when F-15 pilot says, “Major Dwight Smiley,,,,,” and the Iranians (?) break away.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 9:11 pm

I like it better than Top Gun, there, I said it.

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:23 pm

That’s fair, considering that TG was little more than a vehicle to display Tom Cruise. Granted, it’s goofier, but the sub-story of Will Smith as a pilot in ID4 was more interesting.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 9:27 pm

I mean, Iron Eagle had action, it had dram, it had suspense , it had Adm akbar ”I want these pigs blown out of the sky” At the end of the day, all TG was was a lover story on an Air base

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  BleedingRedAndGold
03/29/2024 10:46 pm
Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 10:34 pm

comment image

BleedingRedAndGold
Reply to  gonzangkc11
03/29/2024 9:44 pm

Sentiment echoed, since I can’t call a Black man “brother” in a public forum bigger than this.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:09 pm

A few more nuggets to share about this Rugby kid

He signed a 3 year deal with ”some ”guaranteed money. That doesn’t mean much, but it says they see him as a longer term project

He clocked in at at 24 MPH in a Rugby match. That is obviously without pads, but that is hella fast

If anyone is interested, NFL UK highlites his journey , as well as several other players on the series The Pathway. It is an interesting watch. It only takes about an hour and a half of your time. Strongly recommend.

https://www.youtube.com/@NFLUK

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:19 pm

he looks to be a tough guy … good, I like that

hoosierchief
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:44 pm

The rugby guys I knew were animals.

upamtn
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/29/2024 8:46 pm

no doubt … tough SOBs

hoosierchief
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:48 pm

They tried to get me to play, I told them my deductible was too high!

upamtn
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/29/2024 8:50 pm

LOLOLOL

Straybrit
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/29/2024 10:54 pm

Grunt

pompano
03/29/2024 7:26 pm

FAQ
Answer: This is the only bible trump endorses

hoosierchief
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 7:38 pm

one more than Biden does.

pompano
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/29/2024 7:41 pm

really? a devout catholic that attends mass weekly

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 8:04 pm

yet, believes in murdering babies in the womb

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:06 pm

better to let ’em grow up and THEN be murdered … amirite? amirite???

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:09 pm

murdered by whom, exactly?

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:10 pm

God, in the womb.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 8:14 pm

So ”God” kills babies in the womb? I don’t understand the logic

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:18 pm

God controls everything if you’re inclined to believe in God. Ectopic pregnancies, miscarriages, etc.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 8:21 pm

I don’t give 2 shits about some sky daddy. It is a basic human rights issue(for me ta least)

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:27 pm

As I said earlier, good, we agree on the sky daddy issue. Apologies if I put you in that camp.

But you have said “sanctitiy of life.” I don’t buy the baby murderer crap at all.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 8:30 pm

Do you agree that only the DNA of 2 human species can produce viable offspring?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:37 pm

I’ll agree that only the DNA of 2 human species can produce viable HUMAN offspring

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:40 pm

GOOD!! We agree on basic biology
Step 2, do we agree that a Zygote is a living , human organism?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:42 pm

define human

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:47 pm

The biological replication of 2 human beings that produce human DNA

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:52 pm

biological replication is not the same as actually “being”

define human?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:55 pm

The fact (and you agree) that it takes 2 humans with opposite sexual characteristics to produce offspring should answer your question

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:58 pm

so, humans are no better or worse than lab rats, correct?

tell me again about this “sanctity of life” thing

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:01 pm

What part of HUMAN RIGHTS did you not understand? Plus, I already clarified the ”sanctity” argument above. Maybe you didn’t see it

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:06 pm

no you did not

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:11 pm

Ok, how about this

1 A white woman has sex with a black man and she regrets it, has a real animus toward black people and chooses to terminate the pregnancy

2 A white woman has sex with another white man and chooses to terminate the pregnacy

Do you ascribe any moral weight between the two?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:20 pm

.

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:52 pm

No

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:10 pm

Bible doesn’t say anythng about that.
I suppose you’re anit-miltary.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 8:12 pm

Why do I care about an ancient book on what it has to say about protecting the sanctity of life?

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:13 pm

Good, that much we agree on.

Snafu
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 8:14 pm

Doesn’t make “murdering babies in the womb” accurate.

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 8:20 pm

Fair enough, it is still the termination of a human life .

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:22 pm

but our civilization allows that, the termination of a human life, all the time

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:25 pm

Noted
Amended :INNOCENT human life. his that better?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:26 pm

oh, and just who should be the official arbiter of “innocent”

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:29 pm

I would say a Zygote is the most vulnerable among human life and thus, should be protected

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:32 pm

YOU would say … and who are you to say who and what is “sacred” and must be protected?

what claim do you have that allows YOU to tell ME (or anyone else) what to do and how to live?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:37 pm

”who are you to tell me I can’t own these black slaves as my property”

-every slave owner ever-

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:40 pm

congratulations

you’ve just started The Civil War

so, again I ask you: you talk about “the sanctity of life” even “the sanctity of HUMAN life” but now you’re gonna tell me that Blacks aren’t human???

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:42 pm

No, YOU are telling Blacks aren’t human with your argument

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:46 pm

not so fast, my friend … according to your own Slaveowner comment, it’s ok to own slaves … and WHY? WHY is that ok? what’s the Slaveowner reasoning?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:51 pm

The salveowner reason is ”blacks aren’t human” much like your argument of a ”fetus isn’t human” even though BOTH have human DNA and thus, should have basic human rights

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:55 pm

so a 25 yo Black or Asian is exactly equal to a 30 second old zygote?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:04 pm

What do you mean by ”exactly”?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:09 pm

100% same rights = is =
so, zygote killing is bad but adult killing is ok?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:13 pm

If someone goes into your home and slaughters your family, they should probably lose their life. That is far from innocence

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:56 pm

moreover, if you pull a drop of blood from that 25 yo, inside that blood is DNA … does that drop of blood have the same human rights as a zygote? as you?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:03 pm

I was really hoping you would delete this comment before I saw it . SMH

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:18 pm

LOL, ok , so a red blood cell and develop eventually into a full formed human like a zygote can? Is this the same moronic argument that if I master bate I am committing genocide? Is this the intelligence level I am arguing against?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:25 pm

you’re the one saying a “zygote” is “human”

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:29 pm

Do you know what a Zygote is?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:32 pm

looks human to me …
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saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:36 pm

That was you at one time

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:40 pm

or a rabbit, be vewy quet

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 9:51 pm

are you a Vegan?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:55 pm

are you racist?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 9:59 pm

Apparently you are as you approve the Eugenics of abortion that Holocausticed millions of black lives in this country

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 10:09 pm

this is why i hate talking to you….eugenics is a whole other topic, really reaching now

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:47 pm

and hundreds of millions of years ago YOU were SLIME

your point?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:15 pm

as should the mother,,,superseding the fetus’s

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:42 pm

moreover, upon what authority can you or any other slave owner state that you have a “right” to “own” another human?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:46 pm

Ok, so if we are getting hung up on ”sanctity”, I can amend my definition to basic right. Just like I use free will and personal agency interchangeably . I ascribe no religious connotation to that term

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:18 pm

given your definition of maga i appreciate the clarification on this one

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:14 pm

the same ”right” that says I can kill a living human orgasm

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:22 pm

oh, and where is that right conferred upon you?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 9:28 pm

Is killing a person who has done no wrong the same as killing , say Hitler?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:12 pm

so you support boobily autonomy?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:05 pm

human zygote presunably

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:18 pm

the sanctity of life

protecting the WHAT?!?

since when is “life” sanctimonious?

upon what authority do you get that tripe?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:19 pm

Do you believe a human life should be protected?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:21 pm

that wasn’t the question

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:23 pm

That is the entire question! WTF are you talking about?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:25 pm

ok, the question is: why is abortion in and of itself a BAD thing?

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:27 pm

Because it is a human life and a human life should be protected??

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:29 pm

why?

why is human life so special? what about dog lives? what about moose lives? or fish lives? or cows, or chickens or CHICKEN EGGS! omg EGGS!!! that’s like ABORTION!!!

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:32 pm

Sure, so are you ok with the Holocaust?? BTW, I know your background and I know what that word means to you. That said. I can make this argument(which has been made to exterminate millions of people throughout history) to kill anyone I please, right?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:08 pm

you seem be able to justify killing anyone at anytime, even though you also claim that “murder” is wrong

“war” is ok though, I guess … izzat correct?

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:22 pm

Not human life

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:23 pm

Ask you the same about the military.

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:24 pm

the sanctity of life

you mean only human life, right? you think that humans are the pinnacle of all creation but other animals are “beneath” you (and therefore it’s a-ok to kill them)?

Last edited 21 days ago by upamtn
saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:26 pm

So haw is that inconsistent to an atheistic/ evolutionist world view?

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:27 pm

do you know what “the law of life” is?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 9:03 pm

you say the bible is not material, what then is your basis?

Snafu
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:21 pm

I notice you didn’t say anything about the military.

Snafu
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 8:21 pm

Sanctity’s for sale?

upamtn
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 8:24 pm

just $59.95!

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 8:23 pm

again, what does this have do with anything I said?

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:50 pm

bible actually has abortion instructions

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 8:11 pm

Didn’t Hitler attend mass? Isn’t Putin a devout Orothodox Christian? Be careful how you invoke religion, old friend

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:14 pm

and what’s your validation for your invective vis-a-vis abortion (being murder) … certainly not religion, of course, I mean that’s impossible

saints_chiefsfan1979
saints_chiefsfan1979
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 8:17 pm

Same reason as you or other leftists , or anyone opposes the Holocaust. It is a human rights issue. Why religion is brought into this escapes me

upamtn
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:20 pm

ok, so religion aside … what’s wrong with abortion (per se) … what’s your justification for saying it shouldn’t be allowed?

and don’t give me “sanctity of life” because I have no idea where you got THAT from

Last edited 21 days ago by upamtn
pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:44 pm

t’was in response hoos implying Buden did not endorse,
tho I do agree religion is never a good thing in and of itself

pompano
Reply to  saints_chiefsfan1979
03/29/2024 8:45 pm

he also liked dogs, dogs do not like DTJ

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 8:48 pm

dogs do not like DTJ

100% proof positive he’s an Evil Alien from another galaxy

hoosierchief
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 8:45 pm

not that devout. none of his policies match his faith. so his faith is just show.

pompano
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/29/2024 8:47 pm

should faith drive policy?

pompano
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 8:48 pm

i.e. should one’s personal faith drive policy that effects everyone?

hoosierchief
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 8:49 pm

yes. otherwise its hypocrisy. he campaigned on it for votes. once he got them, he abandoned it.

pompano
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/29/2024 8:59 pm

ehhh,think we may have crossed wires.
a personal ethos must inform a public policy, but not to the exclusion of another’s ethos …if that makes sense.
i.e. banning things based on your beliefs in contradiction of others beliefs is untenable

upamtn
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 9:04 pm

this

Snafu
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/29/2024 8:09 pm

The blasphemous one.

NovaChiefs
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/30/2024 12:05 am

That’s silly. The man is probably more devout than you or anyone here. He’s lived his entire life by the Church.

Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 7:06 pm
upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 8:06 pm

need OT

Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 6:39 pm

Eric Eager https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f4ca.svghttps://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f3c8.svg
@ericeager_

L’Jarius Sneed was the best corner in football last year, and the #Chiefs traded him for a bag of baseballs instead of paying him $20 apy, but I have #Chiefs fans telling me they are giving Trey Smith a second contract after Robert Hunt got 5/100.

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 8:07 pm

traded him for a bag of baseballs

AND a case of Twinkies!

Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 6:36 pm

interested to see how Purdue does tonight

river
river
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 7:06 pm

If I had known Prudue’s big man couldn’t protect the ball i would not of picked them to go to the final.
He’s good but can’t protect the ball

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  river
03/29/2024 7:08 pm

was interesting to hear he might not be a prized draft prospect as a Center

NBA does not use centers like they used too

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 8:46 pm

just finished watching the game. phew. as many upsets that happened yesterday I was worried.

upamtn
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/29/2024 8:49 pm

purdue win?

NovaChiefs
03/29/2024 6:24 pm

Eagles trading Pro Bowl pass rusher Haason Reddick to Jets for draft pick

Per the report, the Eagles will receive a conditional 2026 third-round pick in return that could be converted to a second-round pick. The 29-year-old veteran will join his fourth team in his eighth NFL season.

The Jets are serious, I guess

pompano
Reply to  NovaChiefs
03/29/2024 6:27 pm

use your indoor voice

NovaChiefs
Reply to  pompano
03/29/2024 6:47 pm

Sorry. Sometimes I get so excited

upamtn
Reply to  NovaChiefs
03/29/2024 7:59 pm
Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  NovaChiefs
03/29/2024 6:29 pm

once Rodgers gets injured the Jets will crash again

upamtn
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 8:00 pm

won’t have to wait THAT long …

hoosierchief
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 8:47 pm

last time he got injured they hadn’t even started taxiing down the runway

pompano
Reply to  hoosierchief
03/29/2024 9:25 pm

i blame mayor Pete 😊

Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 6:19 pm

getting a little worried now

did we trade Sneed or not?

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 6:25 pm

The Tennessee Titans acquired cornerback L’Jarius Sneed in a blockbuster trade with the Kansas City Chiefs over the weekend. The trade should become official later this week once Sneed passes his physical. Acquiring Sneed has a drastic impact on the Titans’ 2024 NFL Draft strategy.
Expectations are that the Titans will draft an offensive tackle with the No. 7 overall selection. That assumption has been left unchanged throughout free agency, where the Titans surprisingly haven’t added a tackle. They’re hosting Notre Dame OT Joe Alt on a pre-draft visit.
Analysts felt a cornerback or receiver may be the target at No. 38. That is one presumption that has drastically changed throughout the course of the offseason following the acquisitions of Sneed and Calvin Ridley. Titans general manager Ran Carthon may still consider a corner or wideout, but the Titans possess significantly more glaring needs elsewhere.

from music city miracles from March 26

seems something is not moving very fast on this deal

Snafu
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 6:29 pm

Wondering the same thing.

Steve_Chiefs
Reply to  Snafu
03/29/2024 6:32 pm

I notice the Chiefs have become stagnant on implementing moves waiting on the deal to be blessed I guess

Team Player
Reply to  Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 7:21 pm

Rumor has it the trade was completed today

MasterChief
Reply to  Team Player
03/29/2024 7:23 pm

I just saw a “thanks LJ” post on reddit from today. Maybe it’s final now?

Team Player
Reply to  MasterChief
03/29/2024 7:24 pm

MARCH
03/29
Louis Rees-Zammit (RB) signed.
Traded L’Jarius Sneed (CB) to the Tennessee Titans.

– from Chiefs.com

upamtn
Reply to  Team Player
03/29/2024 8:05 pm

nope

I mean yeah signed LR-Z that’s official

Sneed has not yet been officially traded … no transaction noted on NFL dot COM or on Chiefs home page

Team Player
Reply to  upamtn
03/29/2024 10:31 pm

Try the transactions (under Teams) page on chiefs.com.

upamtn
Reply to  Team Player
03/30/2024 8:35 am

nope

upamtn
Reply to  Team Player
03/29/2024 8:01 pm
Steve_Chiefs
03/29/2024 6:17 pm

Good Evening AG

some BBall tonight

I had to turn off the sports radio

every 15 minutes another ad for the vote yes next tuesday

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