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Thursday Night (Football) OT

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I guess *some* football is better than no football, right?

Eh, maybe not. Tonight, America gets “treated” to a clash between the Dallas Cowboys (6-6) and the Chicago Bears (6-6). Someone has to win, but being forced to watch it makes us all losers in the end.

The biggest match-up to watch tonight may be between Jason Garrett and Mitch Trubisky — which one will coach/play themselves out of a job the quickest? My money is on Garrett …

If nothing else, the comment section could end up being a lively jumble of roast-erie for these bumbling franchises, so with that said, have at it!

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WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

i so hope they show jerry jones presser

legal_kush
legal_kush

Trubes with four total TD’s.
Bears are on fire.

legal_kush
legal_kush

Ouch.

Z00keeper
Z00keeper

I like how Mahomes gets top billing over the GOAT

Tarkus

So they didn’t want to onside kick, but they squib it to give them a short field.

Fuck, the Cowboys are poorly coached.

Tony Sommer

They’ll never expect it!

legal_kush
legal_kush

Will they onside now?

Tarkus

No.

Because they’re not scoring again.

Tyrone

Ah, but will the Bears kick on side?

Tarkus

They might punt onside.

legal_kush
legal_kush

Gotcha! I paused it to go to the can and was living in the past for a minute.

Tony Sommer

Well well well

legal_kush
legal_kush

Or maybe I was seeing the future?
Cowboys onside kick.
Unsuccessful.

Tarkus

That was a hell of a throw by Dak.

Tyrone

So, Da Bears aren’t eliminated from the playoffs, but they’d have to win out (including beating the Bears in week 17), and the Vikings lose another game (Lions, Chargers, Packers) to make it.

Tarkus

That will be a trick beating themselves, but it wouldn’t be the first time, I suppose.

Tony Sommer

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Z00keeper
Z00keeper

Look out! You’re behind you!

Tyrone

No, he’s in front of him.

MasterChief
MasterChief

Lol!

Tyrone

I made that ‘mistake’ on purpose so someone could make a clever joke about it.

Success.

Tyrone

I don’t understand Ryan Reynolds (actors in general) in those fragrance commercials. It he supposed to be Ryan Reynolds in the commercial, or is he playing a character? I would have thought he’s Ryan Reynolds, and that’s why we should buy it, because Ryan Reynolds endorses it. But if he’s Ryan Reynolds, then he’s cheating on his wife with some model. That’s not good for a brand.

If he’s not Ryan Reynolds, then he’s just some random character. Why should we buy something that this random dude apparently wears?

I think I’m overthinking these terrible fragrance commercials.

Z00keeper
Z00keeper

Game. Blouses.

Doughboy66
Doughboy66

Zeek aint eatin nothing but turf tonight. Somebody stole his spoon

Tyrone

Always fair catch punts falling backwards at the 5 yard line with a gunner right next to you.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

DAT approves

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

a score here and it at least stays interesting

Doughboy66
Doughboy66

Ol Jerry’s gonna show Garrett the door

Tony Sommer

But he does think Garrett is going to coach somewhere, in his opinion.

Tarkus

You never know.

Doughboy66
Doughboy66

Yes! I saw that. Quite the motivational speech there

Doughboy66
Doughboy66

Wow! Cowboys look stupid tonight. Chicago’s looking decent.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

they will give ya a yard or 2, but not 6

Tony Sommer

I don’t understand intentional grounding….

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

that would have been ok if the ball landed anywhere close to the LOS, but it was a good 6 yards short

Doughboy66
Doughboy66

Not arguing with you, seems like anytime the throwing arm is hit and ball falls short of los they could call int grounding.

Tarkus

His arm wasn’t hit. He was throwing it away as he went down.

ChiefOfTheWolfpack
ChiefOfTheWolfpack

That’s what it was. If you get smoked mid-throw or your arm gets hit then there wouldn’t be grounding. But throwing it away as you’re going down is different animal

Tony Sommer

What I don’t understand is why it has to get to the line of scrimmage. Like if he throws it to nobody but it goes further then it’s fine?

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

that the rule, outside the tackle and have to get the ball to the LOS. so that way they cant just drop it in front of themselves and it be ok

Tarkus

Because that’s the rule. I never really liked “legal grounding” anyway, but it is what it is.

Z00keeper
Z00keeper

Yeah I’ve found I’m much more sympathetic to QB protection rules now that we have a franchise QB.

Tarkus

Also true.

legal_kush
legal_kush

That is what throwing it away allows you to do, protect yourself ( the QB). You “waste” a down and stop the clock.
Spiking has no element of protection whatsoever. It’s just an arbitrary rule as a way to stop the clock presumably to make the game more exciting.

Z00keeper
Z00keeper

I’d be fine if they forced the QB to fire it at the TE’s feet instead of spiking it into the ground. It’s just not something I really get worked up about.

Tarkus

I think it does make for more exciting finishes, but like you, it doesn’t really move the needle for me either way.

legal_kush
legal_kush

Especially when spiking the ball, by definition, is intentional grounding.
You are between the tackles and throw it at no receiver, and it doesn’t get back to the line of scrimmage.

Z00keeper
Z00keeper

I believe you also have to be under pressure… actually it looks like there’s a specific exception for stopping the clock.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/intentional-grounding/

legal_kush
legal_kush

Yes, they make an exception for stopping the clock.
And they allow you to fake that exception and run a play.

Tarkus

Why wouldn’t they? The defense is not handicapped, because they should be balling until the play is over, either way.

legal_kush
legal_kush

Because if it’s “intended” to stop the clock, it is more akin to an intentional walk in baseball.
The offense is already getting a break to stop the clock when they orherwise could not except in the case of this exception to the rule.
It’s okay if you love it, I can still hate it.

Tarkus

I don’t love it. I just don’t see what the big deal is.

Tarkus

Not true. The rule states that you’re throwing it away to avoid the rush. Spiking the ball is not avoiding the rush.

legal_kush
legal_kush

That’s the technicality that allows it to be “legal,” yet you are allowed to fake it and run a play.
When the ball is snapped, and the defenders come off the snap, are they not “rushing?”

Z00keeper
Z00keeper
Tarkus

Item 3. Stopping Clock. A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if, immediately upon receiving the snap, he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly into the ground.

Item 4. Delayed Spike. A passer, after delaying his passing action for strategic purposes, is prohibited from throwing the ball to the ground in front of him, even though he is under no pressure from defensive rusher(s).

(ZOO already posted the link.)

legal_kush
legal_kush

Again, I understand they have an exception to the rule to allow stopping the clock. They also allow that exception to be “faked” and extended into an actual play.
I get it, but once you are in formation without a timeout available, and want to stop the clock, you get to eat a down.
It’s a rule, it’s just a shitty one among other shitty ones.
You all just don’t want to accept that the act of spiking the ball is intentional grounding.
You literally intentionally put the ball to the ground.
It’s barely even a forward pass.
They should call it intentional fumbling, then.

Tarkus

I don’t accept it, because the rule of intentional grounding literally says it’s not.

Tony Sommer

There’s a specific exception in that case, which is why you have to spike it immediately. If you wait to spike it it becomes grounding.

legal_kush
legal_kush

Yep, and I loathe it.

Tyrone

And if you spike it when the clock it stopped it’s grounding, as Pat now knows.

legal_kush
legal_kush

There’s the over. Woot woot.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

and the moneyline looks safe. nice night dude

legal_kush
legal_kush

I needed one. Thanks.
Got some seed money to blow, er, wager Saturday.
Most of Sunday (three plays) is locked in.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

dude that does the king in the bud light spots is a badass special forces dude in the new jack ryan season

legal_kush
legal_kush

What season? I haven’t watched it. Is it on Amazon or Netflix?

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

Amazon. Season 2. Its well worth ponying up for prime for. that plus Grand Tour and several other shows are all really good too. Maybe better quality series than netflix has currently

legal_kush
legal_kush

Thanks.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

you kick the FG. get it to 2 scores. anything else is stupid

legal_kush
legal_kush

Jason Garrett has shown he’ll kick it down seven when it makes no sense, so…. if it reduces his chance of winning, that’s what he’ll do.

ChiefOfTheWolfpack
ChiefOfTheWolfpack

Nah, let Zeke run it. Only option.

I’m biased though.

See, it worked!

legal_kush
legal_kush

You got it!

Tarkus

They haven’t done shit on offense. You don’t kick a FG inside the 5, when you’ve had so much trouble moving the ball, and you’re down by 17.

ChiefOfTheWolfpack
ChiefOfTheWolfpack

Especially a yard away with a good O-Line and stud RB. Man up and punch it in. We’d all yell at Andy for going soft if he kicked a FG with that O-Line and Zeke in that spot

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

that bears front 7 is no bullshit. they stuffed the play before easily. you get stuffed again and ur goose is cooked,

ChiefOfTheWolfpack
ChiefOfTheWolfpack

This feels like a turning point, especially if the Cowboys can do literally anything

legal_kush
legal_kush

They have to get points. They can’t settle for three… wait, Jason Garrett.