Morning Huddle: The Chiefs were nearly at their worst in Detroit. And they’re still 4-0

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The Chiefs looked ugly against the Lions. Yet a calm and composed Mahomes lead a 4th quarter drive to seal the win. Get in the Victory Monday #MorningHuddle

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‘He finds ways to win’: Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs’ offense stepped up when it mattered most in win over Lions | The Athletic

Inside the Chiefs’ locker room, teammates young and old praised Mahomes for his leadership and resilience. Kelce credited Mahomes for rallying the Chiefs before they went on the field for their final drive. In watching the Chiefs’ offense in the final minutes, strong safety Tyrann Mathieu was impressed with Mahomes’ calm demeanor. Schwartz did his best to tell reporters that Mahomes really didn’t care that his statistical line included zero touchdown passes.

Running back LeSean McCoy, a 11-year veteran, said the Chiefs can be a special team this season because of Mahomes’ willingness to always trust his teammates.

“Our MVP, he showed who he was in clutch time,” McCoy said. “He’s a leader, a competitor and a winner. He finds ways to win, no matter what the situation is. He keeps guys motivated and he finishes the job.”

Chiefs Defeat Lions in a Thriller, 34-30, to Remain Unbeaten | The Mothership

The Chiefs ended up losing a fumble of their own upon taking over on offense, but after the Lions drove it all the way down to Kansas City’s 1-yard line, the defense managed to make yet another play as defensive tackle Xavier Williams punched the ball free from tailback Kerryon Johnson and cornerback Bashaud Breeland returned it 100 yards for a touchdown.

It marked just the fourth 100-yard fumble return for a touchdown in NFL history and the first since 2000, pushing the Chiefs back in front on the scoreboard.

The Chiefs were nearly at their worst in Detroit. And they’re still 4-0. But … how? | The Kansas City Star

Mahomes was hurried often Sunday. He misfired several passes. His 81.0 quarterback rating ranks as the third worst game of his career. None of it mattered on the final drive, with one leading character utilizing all of his supporting cast.

“In this league, it’s not always going to be pretty. It’s not always going to be 50 points and three-touchdown wins,” Mahomes said. “You have to find a way to win these games against great teams. And so for us, we know that this win of not playing our best football and finding a way to win is going to help us tremendously as we get to the end of the season.”

Patriots, Chiefs stay unbeaten with NFL road victories | Yahoo! Sports

Patrick Mahomes drove the Chiefs 79 yards in 13 plays and Darrel Williamsmade his second 1-yard touchdown run of the fourth quarter with 20 seconds remaining to give Kansas City a 34-30 triumph at Detroit.

Mahomes completed 24-of-42 passes for 315 yards but went without a touchdown pass for only the fourth time in his career while Detroit’s 
Matthew Stafford completed 21-of-34 passes for 291 yards and three touchdowns in a losing cause.

“They found a way to take away some of the stuff we like to do,” Mahomes said. “They hadn’t lost a game for a reason.”

Patrick Mahomes’ TD streak ends but Chiefs move to 4-0 | ESPN

“As a leader on this team, [Mahomes] kept us collected and kept us with one goal in mind, and that’s to get the ball in the end zone no matter how long it takes us to get it there and whether it takes us one play or 16 plays, 20 plays,” tight end Travis Kelce said. “It doesn’t matter. We’re going north and we’re getting the ball in that end zone. I think Pat does an unbelievable job of rallying the troops when we need it the most.”

Mahomes threw for 315 yards while completing 24 of 42 passes. Only three previous times in his career had he gone without a TD throw — twice in the regular season and once in last season’s playoff game against Indianapolis.

Peyton Manning’s record of 15 consecutive games with at least two touchdown passes is also safe, at least for now.

However, Mahomes, 24, did become the first quarterback in the Super Bowl era (since 1966) to lead his team to multiple 4-0 starts before his 25th birthday.

What we learned from Sunday’s Week 4 games | NFL

1. Even when Patrick Mahomes doesn’t have his best day, the gunslinger always gives the Chiefs a chance to win. The reigning NFL MVP led a game-winning drive on the road, silencing a raucous Detroit crowd. Mahomes used his legs to pick up several huge first downs late, and found soft holes in the Lions defense, which was only rushing two and three defenders much of the final drive. In his first-ever NFL start in a dome, Mahomes was just a tad off on his deep shots all afternoon, missing a bevy of bombs by a hair. The normally dive-bombing signal-caller generated no completions of 20-plus-air yards on the day. Mahomes came in with 14 straight games with two or more passing TDs. Matt Patricia’s defense held him out of the end zone, but Mahomes made enough plays between the 20s and K.C. ran for three TDs, including Darrel Williams‘ game-winning score. Sunday was a reminder that even when the Chiefs (4-0) don’t have their best day, and can’t hit the deep shots, Mahomes can still find a way to get a W.

Week 4 NFL takeaways: Patriots, Chiefs stay unbeaten … barely | ESPN

Patrick Mahomes can impact a game even when he isn’t throwing touchdown passes. His impact on the win over the Lions happened in a different way. Mahomes served notice to opponents who play a lot of man-to-man coverage that he’s willing to run. His 15-yard scramble on fourth down was the biggest play of the winning touchdown drive. “On the final drive, he made every play we needed him to,” Chiefs tackle Mitchell Schwartzsaid. “He won’t play a game where he’s not the most important player on the field. It doesn’t matter what the stats show.” — Adam Teicher

Next game: vs. Indianapolis (8:20 p.m. ET, Sunday, Oct. 6)

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SCKSChief
SCKSChief

I think the thing, fumbles aside, that most concerned me about the KC offense yesterday was their inability to decipher and then beat man coverage. That was almost 100% straight man coverage (occasional bracket/double jam) on Kelce. The WRs just weren’t winning…against sub level DBs. Glad they got the W.

fishbowl72
fishbowl72

I didn’t see any highlights of the Bills/Pats game. Need some help… did anyone continue the tradition of throwing a dildo at Brady?

Tony Sommer

Judging by my brief google search he answer sadly appears to be no.

Steve the Hedge
Steve the Hedge

Need to give another THANK YOU to Shady for taking the holding penalty on Burfict in the Raider game. That dude was looking to maim #15. The NFL needs to ban the guy. He’s targeting people’s livelihood and health, and the NFL needs to reciprocate. Suspensions aren’t working to fix his behavior. Boot him.

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

Apparently he might be suspended the rest of the year.

KCRowdy
KCRowdy

From notifications I’m getting via Fantasy sleeper (which has been amazingly accurate on other stuff this season), he’s officially done for the rest of the season. Good on the NFL.. this POS needs to be just done for good.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

100% agree. He should never be allowed to play in the league again.

starry1

He’s 29, so he may well be done.

Straybrit
Straybrit

As a recent convert to the “Mondays are actually pretty good” school of thought I realise that what I most appreciate is the sound track. I listen avidly to the whining of the Man City fans screaming “lucky goal” as they languish in second place and I bask unashamedly in the moaning and soulless screams of the donkey fans that surround me. Happy quips such as “so – are you going to lose the bye week as well?” seem to leap forth and delight everyone (that matters – i.e. me).

To cap it off I shot a 100-7x timed fire target in my first match back after an 18 month lay-off.

I may have to schedule a grinectomy 🙂

Berserker

“And hear the lamentation of their women.”

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KCRowdy
KCRowdy

LOL! This morning for the heck of it, went over and just visited the MHR.. they’re ready to start a lynch mob on Elway. The pessimists are oozing there.

Team Player
Team Player

You heard it here first. Broncos trying to lure the GM from SF

d-block
d-block

It’s always fun to bask in the sweet glow of the donkey’s failures.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan

The Pats are getting a cakewalk of a schedule while we are working for it. They were pushed to the limit yesterday as were the Chiefs. There will be some easy games coming for us but I don’t think we get a Miami (bye) week. Point being, come playoff time one of the two teams will have traveled a hard road the other will have been fed a steady diet of cake.

KCRowdy
KCRowdy

The Pats are still a solid team and their defense is legit. I’m thinking it’s becoming much like Peyton Manning time for Tom. He’s obviously not the QB he used to be, he is human.. but it maybe the defense that carries him this year much like Denver’s D did for Manning his final year.

The problem for the Pats is they will have to deal with us. The game in NE this year will more than likely determine Home field, and that will have a solid impact.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake

Yep, and the problem for us we gotta deal with them. Such is life.

KCRowdy
KCRowdy

The problem for us is we basically have to ensure we don’t have many slip ups (loses) in order to be right in the mix when we do play them. Its a known fact of the “gotta deal with each other” as we are the current two leaders in the AFC.

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

I just hope our team is not running on fumes by then. Seeing the cakewalk of a schedule NE has really makes me wonder why Gronk hung it up this year.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

I hate to say this, but I’m starting to really like Shannon Sharpe. He is ALL OVER Skip today. Fantastic.

Leaf
Leaf

Skip is a tool attached to Tom’s nuts. The guy doesn’t even use logic.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh

I thought he was attached to Dak’s nuts.

Leaf
Leaf

Oh he does that too. But just go back and watch the but about PFFs rankings. When Sharpe tried to argue that mahomes should have been 1st instead of 6th, skip was like “La La La I can’t hear you. Six SB rings.”

Tarkus

You realize that’s the purpose of those fake debates, right?

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

Honestly, this win is mostly on the defense. Sure they gave up a lot of points. And they certainly weren’t perfect. But our offense didn’t help them by getting up 3 scores early like they usually do. And they still managed to keep it close enough that we had a chance to win on the last drive.

Tarkus

Defense was dealing with short fields a lot of the time too, because we couldn’t hang onto the ball.

ArrowheadRed
ArrowheadRed

This was the best Win of the season so far. Our Offense was worse than normal. Our best WR, LT, and RB1 were out. Missed an easy FG. Ball was punched out 4 times, lost each time. 30 points allowed. We overcame all that and still won.

zulu trader
zulu trader

Hard to believe

KCRowdy
KCRowdy

Said as much on GMFB today… As we all have discussed, this was probably our “C” game, and yet we still won. Mahomes was off, so we ran the ball. Defense made enough big plays to win it.

Also, I just want to give a huge shout out to Pringle for holding onto the football after taking that solid hit down at the 5. Quite a few times, you will see th ball pop out after a shot like that, fumble.. IMHO, that was a huge play.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

I think Pringle needs to get some of Sammy’s reps. Sammy looked like he flat didn’t care yesterday. Terrible body language and worse production.

Berserker

After the fumble, yeah. I think the dude gets depressed too easy when bad things happen.

KCRowdy
KCRowdy

I don’t’ think it’s a case of “not caring’. The entire team was off and we still won. That was a huge road win, cuz Detroit is a solid team.

Home against INdy on Sunday Night should be good. We should have plenty of rest, and the crowd needs to be at an all time rocking status. Arrowhead needs to become the “dreaded road trip” for opposing teams like it truly was during Marty’s time here. Another loudest stadium night would be nice

starry1

Our guys need to continue to drill on ball security because yesterday was just too much. Gotta give props to the lions for creating so many turnovers.

CJ_Spiller
CJ_Spiller

4th and 9 game on the line….Pat takes the wide open scramble up the middle for the 1st. Not flashy, but last year he probably tries to throw pass (see end of Pats and Rams games). Very mature play there…

Mink Farmer
Mink Farmer

I like how decisive he was. He saw the underneath defenders turn their backs to him and he immediately took off. Sure, maybe he could have waited a tick to make sure nobody was streaking wide open down the field, but taking the yards and guaranteeing the drive stays alive is the right decision 100/100 times.

Tony Sommer

I’m surprised more people aren’t talking about that. Such a quick decision after seeing what the defense was doing.

KCRowdy
KCRowdy

Actually a few are.. they brought it up today during GMFB.. excellent decision.

Team Player
Team Player

Great coaching. I bet it was mentioned as a What If just before the play

Berserker

Yeah, that Rams final drive. That’s exactly what I mentioned to my dad right after the game, that Mahomes has come a long way since that drive.

TNCHIEFS
TNCHIEFS

Our defense did an admirable job in spite of miscues and challenges yesterday. I know we’re (at least at times) waiting for the other shoe to drop on D. It’s been 4 weeks with a new scheme, 50% new players, essentially 100% new defensive coaching staff. We’ve seen significant improvement from the defensive performance since Jax, in week 1. We’re not quite there on D. Not sure you ever fully arrive. But we’re closer. Sept. is preseason lite for most teams. Andy Reid generally hits the ground running when most teams are still lacing up their cleats. That rollout is huge for standings. Yesterday, was really the first week of real NFL grade football, as we saw almost all teams in dogfights. I’m saying all this because it bothers how hard folks are on our defense at times. Yes, Frank Clark seems impressively unimpressive but that doesn’t mean he’s not effective. And there’s some weakness in just about every area. But as the chart above shows the Chiefs are right in the middle already in Defensive EPA/play. Right where we said we wanted to be! People have been bitchin’ about Mathieu but the dude was mofo yesterday. A bunch of those guys are getting after it. Doesn’t mean you make every play. Through 3 games the D has naturally relaxed in the 2nd half with big leads. That’s a “step on their throat” issue. Yesterday the didn’t have that luxury! They were forced to finish making big stops in key situations. They made strides on the growth/chemistry curve yesterday. Also, playing in the secondary in the NFL has become a thankless and nearly impossible job with the rules changes promoting the pass. Fans of all teams complain about their back-end players. Mistakes there are often costly. But they have a really tough job chasing fast, skilled players all over, getting close but not too close, getting their head turned around and finally making a play on the ball as it comes in like a heat-seeking missile. The result is more points, bigger plays, more excitement! That’s by design because that’s… Read more »

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11

All is well 🙂 🙂
Denver Sports Talk Radio this morning – here in Denver

IT’S OFFICIAL
SuperBowl CB – Chris Harris – said he wants OUT

Andy Reid (the real GM)….
get on the phone & make THIS trade – it won’t cost Chiefs (2 – first round draft picks) – like that Jags CB – aka AB 2.0

Bring our boy (Chris Harris) – home to KS

and, yes Elway is dumb enough to trade Chris to Chiefs
Elway thinks he – can now draft

zulu trader
zulu trader

like Ramsey, the team won’t be interested in trading him

Simtex
Simtex

News is that Jags did receive an offer for 2 1st for Ramsey they just declined because it was from a team they believed would result in very late picks for the next 2 years. Point is Jags won’t send him to a Winning team.

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

Highly doubt that Elway trades Chris Harris to us. He will send him to someone in the NFC, or the Patriots just to screw us, but they will not ship him to us.

ChiefZed
ChiefZed

They should have shopped him before the draft – probably could have gotten a 2d rounder. They still might get that, given the market for good CBs, but his age and contract argue against it.

jmgunn0124
jmgunn0124

AFC only has 3 teams above .500 after 4 games

mgrafton
mgrafton

And am I correct in saying that five AFC teams haven’t won a single dang game?

Tony Sommer

As of now, but two winless teams are playing tonight so that’ll go down to 4 barring a tie. But it’s still crazy that there will be more winles teams than teams with winning records.

TNCHIEFS
TNCHIEFS

And the AFC is supposed to be the strong conference.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan

This may actually be proof of that.

Jdklks
Jdklks

Depends on if their losses are to NFC or AFC teams. Texans lost to the Panthers yesterday…yikes.

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh

There’s been a lot of early games in division too. That’s contributed to it. The AFC East has had a division game every week now.

StramtoReid
StramtoReid

I wish the Chiefs would take a page out of the Patriots hand book, do short passes, to get a rhythm going and than take your shots down field. The Chiefs have had a couple games with a good second quarter, where they had rhythm, it doesn’t feel like the Chiefs offense has reached it’s full potential. I know Tyreek the Freak is not playing, but were loaded at the receiver position.

I agree with the amount of times the Chiefs ran the ball yesterday, with the exception of a couple plays i didn’t like when they called the running play. I would like to get the passing going and than run the ball. There are times when the OLine can’t stop the defensive rush, I believe you need to run the ball some to protect the QB, if you run some quick slants you can also protect the QB too.

The Mo Claiborne era begins. I still believe we need another CB who is not Ramsey, It’s obvious CJ is the heart of the defense, if we sign Ramsey we can’t sign CJ and we lose draft picks.

The Patriots might be last years Super Bowl champ, but every team is treating us were like the champ and is coming in trying to knock us off, the Lions came in with a violent execution, and we look like we were taking them for granted. This game was a good wake up call

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11

PREACH

Leaf
Leaf

I wish the Chiefs would take a page out of the Patriots hand book, do short passes, to get a rhythm going

Did you miss all the screen passes that went nowhere yesterday?

Berserker

That last thing, yeah, was thinking on the drive to work (and listen to morning radio) how it’s too bad that we’re already getting treated like a Superbowl team without having even been to a Superbowl yet.

Well, I guess that’s what we get for slow-pace team rebuild…just hung onto Bob one year too long. Bob and Alex both.

Savagerider
Savagerider

So i think chiefs offered 2 first round picks for ramsey. Report this morning is a team offered 2 first round picks for Ramsey and was turned down due to jaguars believing team offering picks will be too late into draft.

irafreak
irafreak

I believe the gm simply won’t trade him. They’ll keep making up excuses. No team that’s currently looking at being in the top order of the draft is going to give up two firsts for a corner. Pittsburgh gave up one and most agree that was stupid.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan

Could have been the Patriots as well.

Leaf
Leaf

True. Bill loves him some corners.

Berserker

DO NOT WANT THAT EITHER.

How ’bout he just stays in Florida?

Leaf
Leaf

Good news is it doesn’t look like Jax is willing to part with him regardless of his desire to get out of dodge

Berserker

DO NOT WANT.

zulu trader
zulu trader

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QuackTastic
QuackTastic

I’m sure we’ll be working on the fumbles all week. One thing I was surprised to see was the Lions running a bunch of cover 1 press. That’s a pretty ballsy coverage to run against all our 4.3 guys, yet it was pretty effective for them.

zulu trader
zulu trader

all of our 4.3 guys were not on the field. thinking of you Tyreek

we might have missed him more than ever this season, and I think Detroit tried to take advantage of that — and we see the importance of Tyreek

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

1 out of 3 weren’t on the field, yes

TNCHIEFS
TNCHIEFS

If Mahomes’ throws were synched up just a tad it’s a diff ballgame. Add Tyreek to that and man coverage will get you killed in the end.

ProfChesterTQ
ProfChesterTQ

Exactly… Mahomes was two-three steps long all day yesterday… just missing…

Leaf
Leaf

Effective and effective. Not trying to take away from Detroit’s D, which played well, but our guys weren’t at the top of their game either so they couldn’t take advantage of their speed.

Team Player
Team Player

Chiefs were soundly outplayed in all three phases, yet pulled off the win. I’ll take it.

backbone313
backbone313

Chiefs are 4-0 on the season

3-0 on the road

Chiefs started the season in the East coast at Jax. West coast at Oak. Home against the Ravens. On road against the Lions.

Patriots are 4-0

3 of the 4 games have been played in the Northeast. 1 game at Maimi. 4 games played in the eastern time zone. But check out their schedule… they only leqve the eastern time zone once this season. And it is not until week 13! the week before they play the Chiefs. They play at Hou.

Chiefs schedule still as Eastern, Midwest, Mountain and West coast games.

I can not find 1 thing to nitpick this Chiefs team about with the Win against the Lions. Hurt players get healthy. Healthy players stay healthy. Chiefs fans get Sunday night football in Arrowhead.

On to the Colts

3rdnlong
3rdnlong

Not only did we have 3 road games in the first 4 weeks. We also played our 4th preseason game on the road too. Even though our 1s didn’t hardly play that last preseason game, everyone still had to travel 3 weeks in a row.

Oh yeah. Our record now shows that preseason wins and losses don’t matter at all…

Now we get a banged up Colts team looking to have a grudge match because of us beating them in the playoffs.

KCChef
KCChef

” I cannot find 1 thing to nitpick the Chiefs team about the Win against the Lions . ”
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backbone313
backbone313

Chiefs are 4-0

The combined record of teams we have beat taking the Chiefs loss out are 8-3-1

We beat who is in front of us. But please, continue to go on about being blind

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

4-0 with a 2:00 minute drive to win the game. I agree it is hard to have anything to nitpick about, especially with as you highlighted, the constant moving around the Continent playing 3 road games. I will have “losers” later today in the winners/losers but I feel what you are saying. The team looked off, but we are 4-0!

backbone313
backbone313

Finding ways to win on the road through adversity, only builds up the championship mentality as a team.

Fans need to have that as well.

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

It is hard though. We won’t always win these games, sometimes the mop will flop the other way. We should enjoy it!

BleedingRedAndGold

Exactly. I try not to dwell on it, but it can be frustrating listening to other KC fans going on and on (and on) about how bad everything is. Yesterday I noticed a comment to the effect that Jones was the only good player on the D – right after Nnadi caused the fumble that Jones recovered. That was kind of important, too.

We have the biggest silver lining I’ve ever seen, and yet people are obsessed with finding the cloud and focusing on that. Why?

Tony Sommer

I wonder how much of the struggle yesterday was due to all hat traveling. 3 road games in 4 weeks is no joke.

Tarkus

Looked like a lot of our guys were playing with a hangover or jet leg or something. They were just off, without the focus and energy that we’re used to. Getting back in front of the home fans should give them a boost.

ProfChesterTQ
ProfChesterTQ

Never accept water from…
A) Bill Cosby
B) South of the Border
C) Any team Coached by Bill Belichick or Protege-By-Proxy

zulu trader
zulu trader

you know, that makes sense. Might just explain the slow motion play we saw yesterday. jet lag

Berserker

Has Burkholder never heard of B12?

BleedingRedAndGold

Not just jet lag, we have played against 3 pretty good teams so far, and they all played physical against us. That takes a toll, too, especially when your weeks are shortened by playing games in 3 different time zones. KC may well have had the most brutal schedule in the NFL so far.