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Tuesday O/T: Relocation Part 2 – How St. Louis Got the Rams

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Monday Night Football is on, try to stay awake long enough to see the Bears miss a field goal at the end to lose 13-10.

A while back I mentioned how occasionally there’s just not that much to talk about for the open threads, and during those occasions I’m going to take the opportunity to talk about a subject I’m passionate about but doesn’t get a lot of attention, which is relocation.

Last time I talked about relocation in general and why teams move, today is the first half of a description of St. Louis’s recent history in the NFL, which should serve as a warning to other small markets on how not to do things. St. Louis made many mistakes over the years that lead to their current NFL-less state.

Mistake #1: Letting the Cardinals leave.

The Cardinals are the oldest NFL franchise, even predating the NFL itself. They originated in Chicago, and moved to St. Louis in 1960, so by the time the 1980’s rolled around they were very much established as St. Louis’ football team, but as with every relocation they were in need of a new stadium.

The problem is that St. Louis refused to build them one, so they had no choice but to move to a city who would, in this case Phoenix, in 1988.

At this point St. Louis decided they missed having an NFL team, so with funding from the state of Missouri, St. Louis County, and the city of St. Louis, they built the Edward Jones Dome to lure a new NFL team.

Of course, had they built this stadium a couple years earlier they wouldn’t have needed to get a new team, as the Cardinals’ owner said that had they built that stadium before the Cardinals had relocated they would still be there. And as we’ll see, having a team that wanted to be in St. Louis would have been a huge asset.

Mistake #2: Dropping the Ball on the Stallions

“Who are the Stallions?” I hear you asking. Well, they were St. Louis’ expansion team.

See in the early 1990’s the NFL decided they wanted to expand by two teams, and the cities in the running were St. Louis, Charlotte, and Jacksonville. St. Louis was considered the top choice and all they had to do was get their ownership group together and the Stallions would be theirs.

The Stallions would have had the worst logo in professional sports. This looks like a middle school mascot.

But at the last moment something went wrong and the ownership couldn’t get their shit together, which meant the St. Louis Stallions became the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Mistake #3: Getting Desperate for the Rams

At this point there was a bit of a panic in St. Louis. They had already built the Edward Jones Dome, but with no expansion team coming it was just sitting empty. It should go without saying that this is not a good situation.

“EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!” – St. Louis

So when the Rams came knocking St. Louis bent over backwards to get them. The Rams, naturally, took maximum advantage of St. Louis’ desperation, and had them agree to a lease the greatly benefited the Rams.

Part of this agreement was a clause that may not have seemed like a big deal at the time, but laid the foundation for the Rams’ return to Los Angeles 20 years later.

Which we’ll cover next time.

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KCChef
KCChef

Just sat through a NFLN Re-watch of the Detroit Game … They ( Detroit ) were Undefeated for a reason … Hard Played Game … Chiefs Obviously weren’t @ their Best & STILL Beat a Good Team In Their House …

zulu trader
zulu trader

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relocation, the act of relocating

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

greatest scene of the greatest movie of all time

MasterChief
MasterChief

Trying to take our precious water!comment image

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Anyone else dealing with the whole Dish vs Fox Sports battle? Pissing me off…

Team Player
Team Player

AT&T has worked their way out of my life

slackator
slackator

yeah, and dont expect it to be back anytime soon HBO has been off for over a year now but theyre “working on it” Fuck Dish but DirecTV is just as bad now from what I can tell

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Yeah. My thoughts too. They dicked us around with ABC for almost a year. Both sides to blame in this deal, honestly. Been looking at YouTube TV, but won’t feel pressured until I have to miss an OU game! LOL

slackator
slackator

missed half of the Royals and Solers season but Im gonna be pissed about missing the Thunder. I want to see the new young guns even if they do most likely suck

Leaf
Leaf

Every provider and media empire is that bad. They all fight for more money and blame the other for customers getting pissed about missing out. You bring up Dish and HBO. Do you think Dish is the main reason they don’t have HBO? HBO is owned by the same company that owns Dish’s biggest competitor. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what’s really going on, despite the fact that it’s illegal. This is why no provider should be allowed to buy content owners. But the government obviously doesn’t give two shits, because everyone and their uncle saw this coming and yet they still allowed the buyouts/mergers.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

its also a big piece of the whole “net neutrality” thing too. Companies like AT&T (complete disclaimer–if not for the exclusivity of Sunday Ticket I wouldn’t do business with that horrible company ever) should have the right to prioritize thier own content on the cable and fiber THAT THEY OWN AND MAINTAIN over companies like Netflix et al that are basically getting a free ride on the network. They managed to convince the masses that their freedom on the net was in danger, when it was more about trying to maiuntain their cost sturcture at the expense of some of their largest competitors

Leaf
Leaf

Excuse me? That is the most ridiculous thing in the world I ever heard. Netflix et al are not getting a free ride.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

How much do they pay to use the backbone?

Leaf
Leaf

The backbone isn’t the issue. It’s the customers ISPs trying to double dip.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

Netflix asserting in rather dramatic fashion (with diagrams) that ISPs should build facilities (he said provide, but those facilities have to be built) to accept all of Netflix’s content – indeed all of the content on the Internet – without charge. Failure to do so, according to Mr. Hastings, was a violation of “strong net neutrality rules” and bad public policy.

Leaf
Leaf

You are completely misrepresenting the issue at hand. The issue they are arguing is that ISP can’t block their content, and they shouldn’t be allowed to. No new facilities need to be built to allow for that. And yes it should be without charge to Netflix and other internet companies. The ISPs are double dipping by being allowed to charge. Netflix pays their ISP to connect to the internet. I pay my ISP to connect to the internet. My ISP should have no right to also charge Netflix so I can get the content I already paid them to allow me access to.

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

But the big telecoms that operate the backbone bear those costs alone. Netflix, Amazon, Yahoo dont have those basic infrastructure costs, just the electricity to run the routers is a nice chunk of change. Lets say I happen to own a store that sells avacados. In order to sell my avacados i have to have a means of getting them to my customers. So I build a road. And a buy a truck. And gas for the truck…and so forth. Couple years later a new avacado store opens up and starts selling them for less than me, but they actually have a larger profit margin because they are using my road, and attached a trailer to the back of my truck. At&T is in the content selling business just like netflix is. but they have a higher cost factor because they are paying for the infrastructure that holds up the whole shooting match. And as far as not needing new facilities? The big boys have been increasing overall bandwidth on the backbone all along. its gonna have to get considerably larger as 4K becomes common and 8K starts rolling out. All that costs money. The companies paying for that should get to be compensated for tjhat, or allowed to not allow competitors to use their cable to cut their throats. Once again, not a fan of AT&T, but i think the arguement is valid.

Leaf
Leaf

Yes telcos build the infrastructure. That’s their business model. The problem in your example is you are acting like it’s one big telco that owns all the infrastructure and that Netflix came along and started doing a portion of their business while using their infrastructure. That’s not accurate.

I’ll use your avocado/store example. A store gets built they sell avocados. Big Backbone sees these stores popping up. They build a massive highway near by but don’t connect directly to the stores. This highway also runs near by some homes, they are also not directly connected to the highway. Store A wants to connect to the highway so they pay ISP1 connect them to Big BBs highway. The people living in the homes see these stores connected to the highway and want access. They pay ISP2 to connect them to Big BBs highway. Now everyone’s connected. The problem comes because ISP2 sees that the people really like going to Store A for avocados, so they put up speed bumps on their road connecting the homes and then telling Store A they need to pay them to remove the speed bumps. Store A complains because the homes are already paying for ISP2 road.

Yes ATT is now in the content business, but they weren’t when net neutrality first became an issue. And the issue isn’t with the backbone it’s at the ISP level and them throttling the connections to the consumers. Yes they need to upgrade their infrastructure to handle new demands. But they should be using the money they get from their customers to be doing that. If McDonald’s needs a bigger store to handle all their customers, they would do so with the money they earned from sales. They can’t turn around to the rancher and demand money so they can build the bigger store.

Sudden
Sudden

It’s also partly because all of these changes are starting their own paid streaming services like HBO did, hence their leverage over cable providers

ChiefofNYC
ChiefofNYC

Milwaukee or Washington? I’m pulling for Milwaukee, who ya got?

slackator
slackator

Milwaukee because of Moose and Cain

BleedingRedAndGold

And tonight I get to craft a list to accompany another annoying article. Fun and educational at the same time.

Tyrone

St Louis Stallions. How many other horse-themed teams could there have been?

Foals?
Geldings?

BleedingRedAndGold

Pintos, mares, fillies, and yearlings come to mind. None of them would be particularly good names, much like the South Park Cows, but they are available.

Tyrone

Thanks, I just learned what pinto means.

Team Player
Team Player

It’s a flounder’s partner in crime

Snafu
Snafu

I got that reference.

pompano
pompano

Do you you mind if we dance with your dates?
took me a while

Tarkus

It means a car that blows up from fender benders, right?

Snafu
Snafu

Don’t forget hippopotamuses.

BleedingRedAndGold

You’ll have to wait for Christmas.

Tarkus

Monday Night Football is on, try to stay awake long enough to see the Bears miss a field goal at the end to lose 13-10.

What network? I can’t find it.

Tyrone

Try using this remote
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Nasrani
Nasrani

Running on empty, running blind…
Runnin’ into the sun but I’m runnin’ behind…

An apt description of how my life is going.

pompano
pompano

No longer apt, but late 80s early 90s

fortunately I didn’t have the $$$ to get too deep.

zulu trader
zulu trader

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WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

Kinnison lost a lot of weight…..

Team Player
Team Player

St. Louis did not love the football Cardinals. Even during the Neil Lomax era they were a distant third behind the (baseball) Cardinals and the Blues, fighting for third with the Steamers (indoor soccer). Only the Hawks were less loved.
The play for the Rams was fueled by pride, not love.

BleedingRedAndGold

Pride and no small amount of embarrassment, since the Jones dome was reminding the citizens of the gov’t’s foolishness in building it so it could stand empty.

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

Any body get cut today for Clairborne activation?

pompano
pompano

Call it “relocated” to the practice squad.

Tarkus

I think he’s on a roster exemption for now. They’ll probably wait until the last minute, in case there’s an injury, so they don’t leave themselves short somewhere.