Why The Dirty Dan Hate?

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Chris asks why so many Chiefs fans don’t seem to care much for “Dirty” Dan Sorenson

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Undrafted out of Brigham Young University in 2014, Daniel Sorensen has been a Safety for the Kansas City Chiefs going on 6 years now. If you have ever wondered the type of impact Andy Reid has on players, take a look at this quote from after Sorensen did not hear his named called on draft day in 2014:

After going undrafted, Sorensen received calls and offers from multiple teams, but stated he chose to accept the Chiefs’ offer because they showed they really wanted him by having head coach Andy Reid call him personally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sorensen

Sorensen would soon find his way to One Arrowhead Drive and sign a 2 year contract worth $930,000 on May 11th, 2014. He was understandably buried on the depth chart, but slowly started to appear more as his career went on. We all know he missed a significant part of last season due to a knee injury. Below are #49’s career stats:

YearGamesGames StartedInterceptionsPasses DefendedForced FumblesSacksCombined Tackles
Career Total:631851623.5191
20149000007
20151600201.016
20161613621.054
201715141601.588
201874120026

While the numbers aren’t flashy, for an undrafted player the club felt Sorensen had certainly became a contributor on the D, enough that before the 2017 season this happened:

On March 11, 2017, the Kansas City Chiefs signed Sorensen to a four-year, $16 million contract extension that includes a $4 million signing bonus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sorensen

After Eric Berry tore his Achilles tendon during the first game of the 2017 season, Sorensen became a starter and had a career high 88 tackles. Sharing the Safety duties with Ron Parker, for the most part he held his own, until the knee injury derailed the start of his 2018 season. Activated from the IR in early November last year, #49 would again slowly work his way back to the starting lineup, then put together a dominant showing in the playoffs for the team. Yet not all fans are sold on Daniel making the roster this season.

Seeing as how the Chiefs no longer have Defensive Coordinator Bob Sutton and Eric Berry has been released, is it possible that Sorensen is the next player to hit the road? Juan Thornhill has been having a strong showing at camp, but do they turn the rookie loose as a starter alongside Tyrann Mathieu?

If this is the end of the road for Sorensen in a Kansas City Chiefs jersey, I just want to leave it with one highlight here:

So Arrowhead Guys and Gals, when it comes to Dirty Dan, is the hate justified?

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dablueguy
dablueguy

He’s slow and can’t tackle. It’s amazing the number of tackles he either outright whiffs on, or tackles when they’re past him. Other than that, no problems.

ArrowheadRed
ArrowheadRed

Daniel Sorensen is not good. If he had gone to Michigan State, he wouldn’t be on this team. He is a wasted roster spot, and I do not like that he gets carried year after year. Chiefs have 4 Safeties better. He should be traded or released, but I doubt Brother Reid lets that occur.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan

I trust the coaches judgment on this one. He has been the best tackler in our secondary by a long shot.

upamtn

yanno what? I actually LIKE Sorenson … granted he’s not the best, not the fastest, but the dude can ball out … and he does a lot of things that the coaches love (he’s The Enforcer) … considering how sad the LB and CB groups have looked lately, I’ll take a bunch of Dirty Dans just for the hustle and hard hitting

KCChef
KCChef

A Harry Kuntz Production : )

( I Sh!t You Not … : )

ArrowFan
ArrowFan

name me one DB in the NFL that doesn’t get fooled here. That is just how great PM is.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan

After watching Sorensen is covering what looks like the right man it was someone else in coverage that should have had the TE.

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

Anyone else think in the clip above he was maybe trying to hit the ball out and sense it didn’t play out that way it looks like he was trying to all out cheap shot the hell out of someone in the back?

zulu trader
zulu trader

I hope you’re wrong

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Berserker

He doesn’t cover receivers at an average level, and he doesn’t defend the run at an above-average level, and he gets paid like somebody who should be able to do at least one of those things.

Improve his coverage, improve his run defense, or lower his pay. Do any one of those things, and we’ll be good.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

But BYUUU FOOTBALL

Leaf
Leaf

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tsv0728
tsv0728

There is no disconnect. He is paid like a lower tier starter, and plays like a medium tier backup. Hence “hate”. If he was paid 1.3mil to be the 4th safety on the roster, no one would be talking smack. Fans “hated” Ford too, because he was a high pick and didn’t meet expectations. It’s the nature of the beast. When your performance doesn’t meet fans expectations they get on you. His expectations were set by his contract, fairly or unfairly, so we get on him. That elbow drop was fucking epic though.

MasterChief
MasterChief

Can’t forget one of the greatest Chiefs action shots ever.comment image

Tyrone
Tyrone

This would have been one of the coolest sacks ever if he stuck it.

KCChef
KCChef

Nate’s Defensive Review showed Dan affecting a play , just not “Clinching the Deal ” … A Microcosm of his career here IMHO …

kaiser1118
kaiser1118

Sorensen is a good depth player, but he is a liability when you have to ask him to cover opponent’s best player. He is great in blitzing roles and STs, but as a cover safety, he is a liability.

Spider
Spider

Dan got a lot of hate for not being a HEALTHY Eric Berry and most people didn’t realize that the wheels had fallen off Ron Parker until the following year because Bob was using Sorensen out of position because the alternative was worse. Meanwhile, they all want to give Sutton’s scheme credit for Hitchens and Ragland being too slow. Nah, the Sorensen sucks meme is lazy and for fans that don’t know how to watch film.

ArrowheadRed
ArrowheadRed

Sorensen Sucks. He needs to go.

BleedingRedAndGold

I think the hate largely stems from Monday-morning GMing, confirmation bias, and over-compartmentalization to the point where it’s almost Doublethink. The first two are pretty routine, characterized by the belief that the fan doing them believes that they can make better decisions with far less information than the GM in question and the tendency for folks to latch on hard to things that confirm their opinions while discounting anything that goes against them.

The last item is common human behavior as well, but it’s less discussed, so I’m dropping down for it. To use this instance as an example, in broad terms it’s completely possible to believe that the D sucked, Sorensen sucked, and Sutton sucked, all independent of each other. Problem is, they’re actually interdependent, and with different levels of influence going to and fro between them. Dan’s the least influential and most influenced of the three, so pretend that he’s inherently bad on his own is silly.

tsv0728
tsv0728

What is it you would have us do on a Chiefs blog? All things Chiefs are interdependent. We cannot suss out the “truth” of any specific part of the program, because we don’t have access too all of the pieces. All we can do is talk about what we see. I can’t know if Dan was out of position because Bob sucked, or because our LB sucked or because he sucks (or presumably some compilation of all 3). I just want him to not suck so much, and he continues to disappoint. I CAN know that when he lines up for that big ‘ol hit stick and whiffs time and time again, it’s on him.

BleedingRedAndGold

What would I have people do? Same as they have been doing, obviously, because I’m not in charge of anything. Do I get to express an opinion, as well? Equally obvious.

I can also know that if Sutton made him try to “be” Eric Berry when Sorensen stepped into the position, his play would likely degrade, at least somewhat, but trying to do things he wasn’t good at. I’m not saying that Dan’s actually elite or anything, just that he’s probably noticeably better than his detractors say he is, with the proper coaching and role. As for “he lines up for that big ‘ol hit stick and whiffs time and time again”, looks to me like you have a case of confirmation bias going. According to PFF, he was pretty good in ’17, though perhaps not great. If he’s whiffing left and right, he couldn’t be rated like that. *Shrug* Not a huge deal to me, because they will do what they will do at 1 A dr., and from a much more informed position.

kcfreak725
kcfreak725

People don’t see him as a starting caliber player, which is why there is so much hate, imo. He kills isn’t on ST and he does great when he’s brought in on subpackages. He’s just not starting caliber, imo

venturachief
venturachief

I think part of the hate is due to people looking at cap info and seeing he has an almost $5M cap hit every year. He’s an ok player that is overpaid on a defense that has been really bad the last few years. DB’s are also the position that most fans can see….they are exposed. It’s harder to see the mistakes of someone like Bailey who was also way overpaid but more under the radar.

Leaf
Leaf

This is the majority of problem. That and he played waaay too much in 2017 because of injuries so his limitations were highlighted. before that he was hardly ever mentioned as he did, as his name implies, the “dirty” work. And dirty work rarely gets recognized. But when we ran out of safeties and Bob tried to force his square peg into a round hole, the stigma around him plummeted.

Fire_FG_the_moron
Fire_FG_the_moron

NO, its unfair. He does his job on ST too. He is known to flat out lay a hit too. If a certain someone isnt offsides in the AFCCG, Dan’s INT stands and the Chiefs go to SB. He gets it done mostly. Mostly as in WHEN USED PROPERLY. I dont fault him for that TD in LA. Sutton had him out there in a CB role.

venturachief
venturachief

He was covering the TE. That seems like a reasonable role.

jmgunn0124
jmgunn0124

Ward had the int that was negated by Ford going offsides. Unless you’re referring to a different one.

Berserker

Ward’s INT.

Tony Sommer

He’s quality depth, so as long as he isn’t starting I’m fine with him being on the team.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

I dont necessarily hate the player-especially if he’s a 3/4 safety.

I do hate the money.

Berserker

But money loves you!