Welcome back for the Conclusion of the big debate as Nate and Tony continue to butt heads over GM Brett Veach. We now look at Veach’s history when it comes to trades.
Nate: Overall, I really like Brett Veach as a general manager. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. I have made it clear many times I don’t love many moves that Veach has made over the past two offseasons as general manager. Still, he does a really good job at finding lower level talent, and building depth on this roster. If you compare the Chiefs overall depth of this roster compared to John Dorsey’s teams, I think Veach has done way better at finding talent. Overall, I think this is the best overall 90 man roster that has come into training camp in Chiefs history, and a lot of that is due to Brett Veach being a good general manager.
Anthony: I think overall Brett Veach has done a poor job of being a general manager since being promoted to the position for the Chiefs. His drafting has been poor, his contracts questionable, and his trades have been downright bad. He has put together a solid roster for the short term by going on spending sprees both in cap space and draft capital, something that any armchair GM could accomplish without the slightest scouting or negotiating skills, while receiving the ultimate gift in Patrick Mahomes via John Dorsey’s MVP trade in 2017. However while I do foresee immediate success for the team, I also see a team that has thrown the only proven model for building a dynasty out the window; that is by building through the draft.
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Nate: In conclusion, I am a Brett Veach fan. Is he perfect? No way. I think Veach has made many poor, premature moves. I hate the Speaks and Hardman trade up ideas. I hated getting rid of Peters. Still, most of his moves he has made either haven’t been terrible, or turn out to be decent. If you are a guy that believes in getting 1-2 stars each draft, John Dorsey is your guy. I will give him credit. He drafted Dee Ford, Patrick Mahomes, Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, and Chris Jones. All of these guys are stars in this league. Has Veach really drafted a star yet? Not really. But I still like Veach’s ability in the draft, finding more depth. I think Veach also does a great job of managing cap. We all like to dog on Dorsey about how poorly he managed the cap, and he truly did. Veach has gotten the cap situation to be more manageable, for sure. Overall, do I think he is perfect? No. But as long as he can continue to find depth in great spots, while finding 3-4 contributors each year in the draft, the Chiefs will be good for a very long time.
This is the best 90 man roster the Chiefs have ever brought into training camp. Does Dorsey deserve a ton of credit for it? Absolutely. But Brett Veach deserves more. Veach has said goodbye to many of the old faces under Dorsey. Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, Dee Ford, and Marcus Peters are gone. This entire defense is different. And, to me, it looks significantly better.
I hope that in one year we will talk about how we just won the Super Bowl and how Veach deserves a ton of credit for building this roster. If we don’t reach the Super Bowl, and it is due to the personnel decisions of the front office, then I will criticize Veach. As of right now though, I really like Veach, and I think we got a budding general manager.
Anthony: I am not impressed. Your legacy as a GM is defined by what you do in the draft and Veach, by both our accounts, has not impressed in the one department he was billed to be a genius: college scouting. It doesn’t take one shred of skill to identify veteran players as talented and out-bidding the highest bidder is only an indictment that you likely paid too much. So while Veach has built a talented roster, its not a result of him being a good GM; its from spending more than anyone else was willing to give, something that most years would be viewed in a very negative light. But Patrick Mahomes shines bright over this organization.
Knowing he’s been gifted a franchise quarterback he’s gone all in on his spending spree, signing players and trading away draft picks to make up for his lackluster scouting. He has set the Chiefs up for a nice 3-4 year window to be highly competitive in the quest for a championship. But even though Brett Veach may end up buying himself a Super Bowl or two in the next few years, he has likely prohibited the team from beginning the run of a dynasty by drafting poorly, making splash trades, and handing out multiple market setting contracts.
In 3-4 years many of the players he has signed will likely need to be cut to fit other ie. Mahomes’ ballooning salaries under the cap. The associated dead money will be prohibitive to signing other high priced veterans, and the draft picks selected in the 2018 and 2019 draft will also become free agents after having spent their entire rookie contracts buried on the depth chart behind big money acquisitions. It will be at this time the words ‘rebuild’ and ‘retool’ will start coming out of Arrowhead. In a future where Mahomes wears a couple Super Bowl rings, we’ll all buckle down for a rough couple years. In a future without those rings, we’ll be looking to fire Brett Veach, but it’ll already be too late.
Where do you stand on Brett Veach’s drafts, free agent signings and trades at the conclusion of this debate?