Morning Huddle – Instagram post shows Tyreek Hill working out with Chiefs teammate Gehrig Dieter

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Will Tyreek be back for Training Camp? He’s working out with Gehrig Dieter so there’s a possibility.

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Cleveland Browns Castoffs Anchor Chiefs’ Revamped Offensive Line | Forbes

Known for his positional versatility, Erving struggled with Cleveland before Kansas City traded a fifth-round pick for him in 2017. He played better in 2018, but his performance is worth monitoring.

Another Browns castoff likely will start next to Erving. Cleveland waived center Austin Reiter before the 2018 season. He then signed with Kansas City and ended up starting four games when Mitch Morse was sidelined with a concussion. 

“I don’t know what letter grade I would give myself,” Reiter said. “In some situations I think I did well. There’s obviously things I can always work on.”

Andy Reid likes what he’s seen from Juan Thornhill | 247 Sports

Fans will get a chance to see Thornhill in action during the preseason when he competes for a starting spot at safety alongside Tyrann Mathieu. Mathieu offered up his thoughts on Thornhill when speaking to reporters earlier in the month.

“I think anybody who’s been out here watching our practices, each and every day he’s getting his hands on the ball,” Mathieu said. “That’s hard to do as a young guy. The game is a lot faster, playing against an MVP type of quarterback, a lot of weapons on offense, but I think ultimately he believes in ability. I think confidence always puts you above the rest of the group.”

Instagram post shows Tyreek Hill working out with Chiefs teammate Gehrig Dieter | The Kansas City Star

While a criminal investigation is no longer active, Hill and Espinal have an ongoing case with the Kansas Department for Children and Families, The Star reported earlier this month.

On Monday, former Sporting Kansas City academy player Max Rugova shared an Instagram photo of Hill with Chiefs receiver Gehrig Dieter and Rugova. The message: “We workin … off-season training wit the bros .!!

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Kansas City Chiefs Have a 16.4% Chance of Winning the Super Bowl | Scout

The Chiefs 2019 season may look a lot like their 2018 season. Their neutral win percentage projects over 16 games to a similar record. Their current odds to win Super Bowl 54 are 6/1, 14.3%. Based on simulations they are a good bet to win the Super Bowl with a 16.4% chance. They are also a good bet to win the conference with a 26.2% chance at 3/1, 25%.

Patrick Mahomes falls just short of No. 1 in CBS Sports Top 100 | 247 Sports

Mahomes, who had a historic 2018 season with 5,097 yards, 50 touchdowns and 12 interceptions, was beaten out in Prisco’s top 100 by Los Angeles Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald. Donald is coming off a monster season himself — 59 tackles, 20.5 sacks and four forced fumbles — which was enough to win him his second consecutive NFL Defensive Player of the Year award. Donald is so good that chances are some Chiefs fans might not have a huge problem with him being ranked ahead of Mahomes, even though it was a tough decision for Prisco to make.

“It pains me. It really does,” wrote Prisco. “How can I have a non-quarterback atop my NFL top-100 list? It always has to be a quarterback, right? Not this year. This time around, the No 1 player in the league is Los Angeles Rams defensive lineman Aaron Donald. He edges out Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, who had a sensational first year as a starter. At times, Donald can’t be blocked. He’s clearly the best defensive player in the league, but I think he’s the best player period, which is why he gets the top spot on my list. Yes, it hurts since I am a quarterback guy. I made up for it by having three quarterbacks in the top 10 and 13 in my top 100.”

Why the Chiefs should go all in and trade for Jalen Ramsey | Arrowhead Addict

While many have exclaimed that Ramsey’s attitude is an issue that the Chiefs cannot afford. I would argue the opposite. After Derrick Johnson and Marcus Peters left the Chiefs, the swagger that the defense once had disappeared. While Eric Berry was a great leader on the defense, injury held him off the field for a large part of the past half decade.

Leading on defense requires an edge and an attitude. In order to change the passive culture that the Chiefs defense had become, the 
Chiefs fired Bob Suttonhired Steve Spagnuolo and then signed Tyrann Mathieu. In order to flip the defense on its head and create a defense with grit, Ramsey would instantly upgrade the Chiefs ability to play with grit and intensity.

Mecole Hardman makes young Chiefs fan’s day | 247 Sports

He [Hardman] was also involved in the Special Olympics and Extra Special people during his time at UGA. He has carried that over with him to the NFL, and recently helped put a smile on a young Chief’s fan’s face.

Hardman teamed with Adam Anderson (not his former teammate at Georgia) of Monster Jam to brighten up the day of an eight-year-old boy named Wyatt.

“Wyatt told the folks at the @kidswishnetwork that he wanted to see a monster truck. He got that and much more,” Kansas City community and digital media producer Matt McMullen tweeted along with photos of Anderson and Hardman meeting with Wyatt.

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Bean
Bean

Should it bother me that Hill, who is suspended from team activities, is finding a way to work out with his teammates. Yet CJ isn’t despite being able to and expected to…. even though they are both in the same contract situation?

It helps me understand the commitment of Hill!

I don’t mean to sound like a CJ hater, just worried about spending training camp (if he shows) to catch up rather than to lead his teammates.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Hill has more reason to show up than CJ. CJs value is at an all time high. Hill’s isn’t. All the more reason to lock him in now while his stock is shaky.

Berserker

Yeah, but if Hill’s agent is competent at all, he won’t let Hill sign a lowball offer.

Thing is, Jones has already proven that he rates a huge new contract. And Hill hasn’t.

Bean
Bean

Selfishly as a fan, I want it to be about the commitment to winning (insert SB here) even though I know that is naive.

I don’t really blame CJ, I understand its the approach top players negotiating take. I was just pondering the contrasting situations even though both were in the same boat several months ago.

Dave B.
Dave B.

If anyone is on Reddit and wants to ask Terez anything he’s doing an AMA right now.

I’m Terez Paylor, senior NFL writer for Yahoo! Sports. AMA! from nfl

zulu trader
zulu trader

countdown clock is up and running!!!

Anthony Stratton

Its all for you Zulu.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

This site seems to keep making my chrome mobile browser crash the last couple days. Anyone else having the same problem?

CWil03
CWil03

I haven’t had any issues

Anthony Stratton

Might be time to clear your cache/history/porn stash…

Warpath
Warpath

Holy shit. Only 38 days boys.

Anthony Stratton

Morning AG. Its hump day, lets grind!

Dave B.
Dave B.

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zulu trader
zulu trader

that is NOT bump and grind, Dave. That’s more like high-steppin it!

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Hey Ant Knee, serious question (carryover from your O/T comments from last night, which I went full Mills on fifteen minutes ago)….

Do you really think we’re losing Hill after one year? Like, he balls out for w/e games Roger lets him play, then we’re auto-outbid and just letting him go?

It’s the theory you keep rolling out and I guess I don’t follow a) why we’d do that with all the resources invested in him, b) what would keep us from matching big money deals to begin with, c) why we wouldn’t throw a good two or three year deal with a high incentive structure at him during the season anyway, & d) why Rosenhaus’d be that hot to take Hill to the marketplace so quickly, given America’s SJW culture and the fact that most major media outlets can’t believe the Chiefs haven’t permabanned him already?

I was just struck by your conviction that he’d ball out (I 110% agree there) and that he’d walk for $$$$ (uhhh, wat?).

Halp me understand. Thanks.

Anthony Stratton

I gotchu. Ok, the first premise is money, ie the salary cap and how many $100mil contracts you think we are going to hand out. Its a rarity to have a team with two $100mil contracts on the books, I think there’s only like 1-2 teams in that situation. So the question is do we think its reasonable for the Chiefs to hand out $100mil contracts to Clark, Jones AND Hill….

Oh, and by the way, its now impossible to speculate what Mahomes will get as these other scrub ass QB’s drive up the market. Dak Prescott asking for $34mil a year? Bro, Mahomes might end up getting $40m/yr.

So I just don’t see any way the Chiefs keep both Jones and Hill, and tbh its a possibility neither are signed to extensions. But if they keep 1, you kinda got to read the tea leaves to guess which one that might be…although with Jones holding out my thinking leans more and more to the idea this could be the last year for both.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Before this Hill drama, if I’m recalling correctly, it sure sounded like the plan was to pay both Hill and Jones. I don’t remember if that was before or after the Frank Clark signing.

Anthony Stratton

Before. The Clark trade changed the situation IMO, and I think it was a clear sign the Chiefs weren’t signing one of the two.

I took some pretty heated “Veach hater” fire for saying that the Frank Clark contract meant Chiefs fans were likely going to lose one of their favorite players. A lot of people were convinced we’d hand out three $100mil contracts with the Mahomes deal still pending. That was never going to happen.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Out of the three (Clark, Jones, and Hill) Jones and Hill are WAY more valuable players. If Clark means we’re dumping one of them then I officially hate that signing, especially since we also gave up a first round pick. I sure hope you’re wrong and we somehow figure out how to pay everyone! Hill and Jones are world class talents and that’s not the koolaid talking!

workingmansdead

Disagree. I think Hill is the least valuable – at least outside of a 1-2 year window. A slight decline in speed/quickness for Hill will equate to a massive drop in productivity, and it’s just a matter of time or injury.

CWil03
CWil03

I think the Hardman draft pick told us where the Chiefs are headed. Before all of this came out, Hill was going to be here long term. As I said above, they structured Watkins contract to be able to cut him and sign Hill in year 3 of that deal. They weren’t going to have to pay top dollar for 2 WR’s. At this point, I could see us going with Watkins here as the top guy and then let guys like Hardman, Pringle, and maybe 1 or 2 of the UDFA guys fill in.

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

That would be insanity, since Watkins has proven over and over that he’s not able to stay healthy through an entire season.

zulu trader
zulu trader

probably why it’s not playing out that way

CWil03
CWil03

guys like Ted Ginn and Desean Jackson are well into their 30’s and still have top speed, I really don’t see Hill losing much in speed for a pretty long time if he stays healthy

workingmansdead

Desean Jackson is a role player at this point. 600 yards and 3 TDs in 2018 and 700 yards and 4 TDs in 2019. Pretty decent #2WR. That’s not a $100M guy right now. That’s my point.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Well yea DeSean is 32. Hill is 25. Give him a 4 year contract

Anthony Stratton

The passing game is where its at. QB is #1…then its guys who catch and guys who cover.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

On the one hand I’d agree, but on the other the market doesn’t seem to be bearing that out fully.

I mean, look at the money EDGE players are getting-even unreliable ones- but we scooped up an average, decent CB in Breeland for 3 mil? Average, decent EDGE players still get 8-10 mil. Not 3.

I dunno. Are we really in an all-coverage world these days?

workingmansdead

I think it kinda splits on execs who view pass rush > cover and cover > pass rush

Anthony Stratton

I believe it was Wustl Tony who put together a little statistical analysis that showed pass rush to have almost no impact on winning %.

All the crunching he did boiled down to the passing game being about the only thing to show a statistical impact on winning.

Berserker

I think the recent trend amongst sports talk sites about the NFL turning into an all-coverage world, was probably originally single-sourced from Pff articles.

Leaf
Leaf

I also think Mahomes can score at will with any WR, so the position as a whole is not as valuable as the other two.

workingmansdead

Agreed, my good leaf.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Agree I just think having a guy like Hill has such a staggering effect on the defensive alignments we face, that it such makes Mahomes that much more lethal. He is a special player and he draws so much coverage, leaving things open for guys like Kelce and Watkins.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

I think you’re underselling 55, tbh.

CWil03
CWil03

I always assumed the plan was to let Watkins or Hill walk during year 3 of Watkins deal. They structured that contract good enough to not have to pay both top dollar. I still think its between Watkins and Hill and at this point I have to think we re-sign Sammy and let Hill walk. Until all the Hill stuff came out, I was 100% confident we would re-sign Hill, but this situation probably has changed a lot of things. For the record, I am on Hill’s side in all of this, but I still think the Chiefs move on from him.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Valuable response, & thanks for clarifying.

I still wonder if there isn’t a way to keep all 3 for a time (1-2 seasons max) depending on how we structure any potential agreement for Tyreek. But I agree, there isn’t any way we are going to be able to long-term pay Pat, and pick 2 of the 3 [Clark, Jones, and Hill].

Dallas is trying to pull this off right now, and I have to tell you I just don’t think it’s going to happen. One of their young guys is going to walk away this off season…not sure which 1 it will be

Anthony Stratton

And tbh, 2/3 woulda been pushing it all along.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Then I think we do intend to push it.

I mean, we spent years having Smith making more money than he deserved at quarterback, along with a very well paid Tamba/very well paid Justin Houston combo…We’ve pushed the boundaries of the salary cap (at that time) before.

And for what it’s worth, the Eagles seem to be doing at the same way we are. $ under C, $ out wide, & $ on pass rush…Darby is their spendiest
CB, ain’t he? And he is being paid at a significant discount, due to his knee injury.

I’m just kind of thinking aloud, and I’m likely wrong (usually am). But this is sort of what I am seeing.

Anthony Stratton

I dunno that the Eagles are really the team to mimic tbh, also I don’t think their QB contract is going to compare to what we roll out for mahomes. Even then you don’t see them with anything close to $200mil wrapped up in 2 DL players. Basically what your suggesting would be like what you see here, except doubling the salary of Jeffrey and Graham…and man I just don’t know how that’d work along with a bigger contract at QB….

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/contracts/

Berserker

Well, the Eagles would look a lot more like a role model if Wentz hadn’t regressed after his knee injury.

Tyrone

And bump?

Anthony Stratton

Don’t mind if I do!

backbone313
backbone313

Hill

So, a man who is trying to be the best father to his child, gets up and continues to work for what he has… Only to have people continue to proclaim he is a POS.

I know that feeling 👍

Do the damn thing and don’t forget ✌ as they try to keep you down.

(Now y’all know why I haven’t touched the Hill topic)

Anthony Stratton

Yeah I hear ya man. Again, we’re all pulling for you to get things straightened out brother. Hang in there and just focus on the priority, your son.

Spider
Spider

There’s a whole lot of us. Check out The Father’s Rights Movement (or similar) on FB. It’s a decent resource; at the very least it helps to know you’re not the only one.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Keep at it sir!

Savagerider
Savagerider

So chris conley is supposedly looking like a super stud like a free agent steal according to article posted. Saus he could be jags number one reciever but thats partially due to marquis lee being hurt.

Anthony Stratton

Marquis Lee hurt? You don’t say…

workingmansdead

Dude still sucks, don’t worry.

slackator
slackator

That’s good to hear, I always liked him he was just on the bad side of a log jam here. He has talent, just unfortunately only 1 year with Mahomes to showcase it

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

I’m not 100% sure he ever really lives up to it. We’ll see.

Berserker

Yah, he’s got speed and strength, but not enough actual athleticism. He’s almost the Knile Davis of WRs.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

And how many springs were his ‘breakout springs’ up here?

Teases gonna tease, that’s all I’m sayin’

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

I’m higher on Conley than many, especially Tony S., but it’s easy to look good when there is no real defense. Conley is not #1 reciever quality imo, maybe #2 if he improves some things. He has the top end speed, length, and hops to be good.

StramtoReid
StramtoReid

I said before, I hope Conley has a great season and a bad game against the Chiefs. If C.C. can become a #2 receiver the Jags got a steal in free agency.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Does he have top end speed though? Still waiting to see that 4.35 speed myself. You’d think if he were fast he’d be able to get open. Hes JAG and a solid possession receiver at best. The most replaceable player on our offense.

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

He has the speed imo, I really just meant speed at the top end. As in slow to get there fast when he does. He lacks quickness which holds him back from getting open.

Mitko

Conley would have been WR#2 on the 2010 Chiefs

CWil03
CWil03

Conley looked really slow last year. I know it takes a while to recover fully from an achilles injury, but Conley to me is a possession WR and not a guy that will every be able to carry a team.

mgrafton
mgrafton

Conley is a great guy, and can play well as rotational talent, but he isn’t a WR1 unless he has suddenly and surprisingly taken a huge leap. He’s a solid WR2 for sure, but no one can put him on the same level as Hill, OBJ, Hopkins etc. while keeping a straight face. I think it’s like you say, Savage: he’s only a WR1 if the real WR1 is hurt!

Leaf
Leaf

Good for him if true. Maybe he just couldn’t grasp Andy’s offense fully.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Give him two more years in Andy’s offense and he’ll get it. Just you wait!

MasterChief
MasterChief

Good for Conley! He seems like a nice kid and I wish him great success.