Blinders On, Blinders Off: Tyreek Hill’s Future With the Chiefs after 2019

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Arrowhead Guys weigh both sides of the debate regarding Tyreek Hill remaining a Chief after the 2019 season.

Good, bad, right, wrong, truth, lies, positive, negative, innocent or guilty. There seems to be a need to choose a side, define a subject–circle the predicate–and make a factual statement with correct intent, or at least correct passion made in a politically correct fashion. However, sometimes it’s not that simple no matter how difficult that reality makes writing an enticing headline. Instead, create a series, name it something cheap & chiefy like Blinders On, Blinders Off and allow fanatics to Andy Reid it!

Since beginning his electrifying career with the Kansas City Chiefs, Tyreek Hill has put everything he is charged up with, both positively and negatively, under the high definition magnifying glass of the NFL. Under the brilliant lights of Arrowhead Stadium Hill has been viewed through the powerful lens of the media. He’s been thoroughly dissected by reactive blogger’s fingertips and sent out instantaneously into the eagerly awaiting sea of red. All of the while, having the best Star football analysts recording every detail online, offline, on the camera, off the camera and in print for the annals of gridiron history.

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Words are cheap. Cheap is a word. ‘Talk is cheap’, that’s an idiom, and it takes a ‘dirt cheap’ idiom to be able to not afford themselves the time to identify cheap shots (talking about you, Denver Broncos). Digress. Cheap shots are being launched at the Kansas City Chiefs. Cheap shots are being thrown at the ‘Hill’ dang Chiefs Kingdom. Twitter is definitely chirping about Hill situation just as charged up, positively and negatively, as when Tyreek Hill was drafted by the Chiefs 165th overall in 2016. The football fans watched as the shrewd public stance against Hill began to cheapen immediately once the games started. Hill simply became electric with the Chiefs! Hill made friends with the end zone and the crowd as the boos became made into cheers. As the worries became wins (except in the playoffs)[SEE: Cheap shot <–] Tyreek Hill became an NFL superstar. Hill’s little piece of action in a Madden video games as a regular player became the big Hill PEACE sign addition into Madden games. That simply doesn’t happen to every player that does well in the NFL.

I was mesmerized by how good Hill became. Chiefs fans chanted his name during games. Tyreek’s talent wasn’t cheap and perhaps his star was beginning to burn too bright. Looking back though, he really was a phenomenal player. Three years, 3,732 yards, 29 touchdowns. Wow! The Chiefs took a cheap risk in the draft and the production they received was a cheap cost for the Cheetah that Kansas City let run into our lives full speed a-Arrow-head. Enter 2019. Has there been a more frustrating and emotionally taxing story this offseason than the constantly fluctuating saga of the embattled wide receiver Tyreek Hill? Will Hill be a Chief in 2019, will he be suspended, will he be a Chief in 2020, will he be banned for life, should he, shouldn’t he? What exactly are we supposed to be asking? And what kind of ‘blind idiom’ would properly describe it without saying, it’s a case of the blind leading the blind? Because–no one knows yet.

So I asked Anthony to set some parameters for this discussion, so that we all remain on the same (Super Bowl) course. We will continue this discussion under the assumption that based on everything we know to this point that Hill will be a Chief in 2019 and that he will likely face a suspension of no more than four games. So then, what is the question, in the grand scheme of things? The question becomes:

Will Tyreek Hill be a Chief in 2020 or beyond?

Blinders On

In an extremely positive light, Tyreek Hill might not even be the most difficult story this year. In terms of instant brute force impact maybe the answer is the fifty-fifth story. As Chiefs fans also had to deal with the blunt object strike right to the Super Bowls that was Dee Ford (#55) being offsides in the AFC Championship game. While equally or more frustrating, the Hill story just may be unarguably more emotionally taxing than Ford’s. Also, the Super Bowl misstep from Dee Ford is over, while the potential parental overstep from Tyreek Hill concerning his beautiful son Zev Hill keeps on running. Running like, well, running like a family of Cheetah’s. Fast, unpredictable and out of control at times, but crouched down and silent as the winds blowing in a vast wide open terrain. A hunter, waiting to strike at a moments notice as the chirping prey cheep away, unbeknownst of what’s about to happen until it’s over.

If you let the NFL offseason tell it, the answer to “Will he play in 2019?” was a resounding “NO!” If you set a parameter on the question, such as Anthony’s: At the time of this writing we are going to assume Tyreek Hill will be cleared of any legal wrongdoing and that the maximum NFL suspension he will face is 4 games”  Perhaps the question becomes easier to answer? Not really, the answers are still unknown, because that parameter isn’t set in stone. However, we can pretend it’s a fact. After all, not many in the media, not many fans, and not many haters on either side of the spectrum have had much trouble defining facts about Hill thus far. So why not let the Arrowhead Guys play along. Will Hill play? Did Hill invite this distraction into his life and onto the team, and does it negatively impact the Chiefs? Which are questions that don’t really matter because the Chiefs are definitely winning the Super Bowl regardless. However, I’ll play along.

It’s obvious this has negatively impacted the Kansas City Chiefs. It’s debatable whether Hill invited this distraction himself, because it’s been debated to death already. If that’s the parameters, I would say be aware of what’s happened with the entire Hill family. Especially Tyreek and Zev. It was Father’s Day on Sunday. Tyreek Hill is a father. Zev Hill is a son. Father and son relationships are lifelong potential contracts that only officially expire by death on either side. Being an NFL superstar and a fatherhood super dad is something I don’t know anything about. I know about parenting, and raising boys, trying to build that bond and trying to keep the roller coaster of fatherhood on the right track. It’s quite the challenge.

It’s worth the effort. Just like the Kansas City Chiefs effort to get to the Super Bowl, parents put in the effort to raise the best kids possible. Sometimes like the balloons around my house and the Father’s Day cards I collected presume: I succeeded. I’m a Super Dad and everyone appreciates the effort. Sometimes like the cheap shots life will hand you and in the sticky situations parenting can bring about. I fail at those situations sometimes, and I fail tremendously. Being a father is hard.

Is that an excuse for Hill? No. Is he in the limelight? Yes. Should he be a good role model? Yes, I think so. There are lots of other children watching number 10 play. They’re wearing his jersey. They’re wanting to win the Super Bowl! They’re not necessarily weighing all these questions. They’re just wondering if he’s going to play and how many touchdowns he’s going to score on the way to the Super Bowl. At least that’s what my sons have told me when I’ve asked them what to talk about concerning Hill. They’ve asked me if he was going to play. They’ve wondered about Zev’s broken arm, and whether or not Tyreek abused him, and why? I couldn’t necessarily answer those questions. I don’t have all the answers. I’m not smart enough to figure out the right thing to say to define the Hill situation and his parental obligation to young Zev or the rest of his blooming family. I’m just not. What I can do is tell you that I support the Kansas City Chiefs and the Tyreek Hill family. I support the idea of protecting our young children and doing our best to keep them safe, avoiding harming them at all costs. Saying stuff like that may seem cheap, but ignoring the trauma to Zev is also cheap. What’s the best approach here to utilize in 100% of the situations we face? I simply do not know.

Looking at it from a Chiefs fans standpoint, I would love for Anthony’s parameter to be accurate. I would love to write an article exonerating Tyreek Hill. Talking about how Mahomes is going to hit him with a 58 yard bomb to win the Super Bowl. One: to say something impactful to all Chiefs fans. Two: to add a cheap pop for Derrick Thomas when it’s completely unnecessary.  Which is a segue to the just football portion of the argument. If Hill does get proven innocent and receives only a small few game suspension, how good will the Kansas City Chiefs be?

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This may seem like a cheap track for me to take, but it’s where we’re heading. If that happened, the Chiefs would be amazing! Mahomes would have Kelce, Watkins, Hardman and Hill running wild. Running wild, like well, Cheetah’s. A whole family of them like the Hill family, the Chiefs! If the Chiefs are running wild with Hill, I expect a Super Bowl. If the Chiefs are running wild without Hill, I still expect a Super Bowl. Why? Because it’s SHOWTIME! The Kansas City Chiefs entire team still has Mahomes, Andy Reid and Travis Kelce to punctuate their efforts as a unit. Plus they added Frank Clark and The Honey Badger as new faces of change. They subtracted Bob Sutton, hired Steve Spagnuolo as DC and fine tuned the D with one of the best defensive coaching staffs they’ve had in years. The Chiefs have the sea of red (in brand new seats). The Chiefs organization still has one goal, winning the Super Bowl. I hope they get there with Zev Hill watching the game with us as Tyreek points to him after they win and everyone involved has that moment of redemption.

With all that said, with my Blinders On and securely fashioned, the Chiefs absolutely will offer Tyreek Hill a long term contract before his rookie deals expires. Will it be the $100 Million blockbuster we heard about prior to the story breaking? Likely not. Hill did allow this drama into his life, even by way of simply keeping Espinal around, and it did affect the public perception of the team. The Chiefs keep Tyreek long-term and get a discount? I call that a win every day, Chiefs Kingdom!

Blinders Off

This is one of the hardest articles I’ve ever had to write. I’ve been fired for writing about touchy subjects as I don’t have the best situational awareness or empathy. That said, what a situation. What an accusation. What’s the proper articulation? What in the actual ****, Tyreek Hill? Did you learn nothing from the Kareem Hunt ordeal? He lost his multi-million dollar Chiefs deal as well. Kareem is now a Brown. A Brown! You want to be a Brown? Keep up the stupid **** and you’ll definitely be a Brown, if you’re lucky!

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Sure under Anthony’s parameters, you’re only going to be suspended for a few games here. Nevertheless, just know that there’s a lot of football fans (Chiefs fans included) out there that are demanding blood. They’re talking lifetime bans. They’re talking no more football ever again. You’re being mentioned in National Sports debates with some of football’s biggest off the field disasters. You’re being thrown under the bus of every publication and sports talk show that does that sort of thing as a shtick. You’re the Cheetah, but right now the Cheetah is being preyed upon by Internet and Media monsters. Your million dollar image is broken. It’s broken into a million madden-peace’s by fanatics who are ‘mad-den’ not going to take it anymore. You let down Chiefs Kingdom.

The questions from up above don’t matter. The court of public opinion has already long since adjourned. Did you hear that resounding gavel? It’s loud, like Arrowhead. It’s not going to be cast aside by a few touching videos. There’s an overall stigma that you should be the one that’s terrified Tyreek. Not Crystal. Not Zev. You–Tyreek Hill–you should be terrified that it even came to this. You should be terrified by the millions of dollars you could lose, and the billions of respect points you shattered along the way.

This situation is bigger than Chiefs football. It’s bigger than the Super Bowl, it’s about fatherhood. It’s about opportunity and the American Dream. Respect, honor, dignity and how hiding your true colors behind your shield of NFL ability paints the picture of you not taking any of it seriously. Being undefeated in NFL speed but being too slow to understand parenting and how to treat people behind closed doors when the NFL camera you took over stops rolling, and it’s just you and your family. Because that’s the speed you need to be training to improve. We know you can juke the pants off a linebacker, Tyreek, but stay out of the instant news–NFL Press–the only thing in the NFL faster than you.

Some say it’s already too late, and they’re done with you. They gave you your second chance. They screamed your name at Arrowhead. They bought their children your jersey. They named their pet goldfish Cheetah because it had spots and swam fast in its home with its gridiron corral themed Super Fish-Bowl. They paid to attend your youth football camp only to have another player take over. They played Madden and scored with you so many times the memory alone had them smash the game into little peace’s for just a little release. Do you understand? Do you even get the criticism? Do you even know why some of the people seemingly hate you and some of the people seem to think you did nothing wrong at all?

Part of it is because the world is a cynical, hypocritical place if you want to make sure that’s included. But part of it is just basic human decency. Doing what you are in the news about is not how second-third-fourth-fifth…etc, sixth-chancers are ideally supposed to behave. To top it all off, the Chiefs almost went to the Super Bowl last season. Chiefs fans waited for well over 30+ years for a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes. Chiefs fans have already felt cursed and every year have the ‘what’s it going to be this year’ approach to the NFL calendar. They want the Chiefs to win it all, but sometimes it feels like something always gets in the way. You want to know what that something is this year Tyreek? That something is you! Innocent. Guilty. Whatever… you cost the Chiefs by not taking advantage of the opportunities being afforded to you. You didn’t hold up to your end of the bargain. Why Tyreek Hill? Why now? Why this season?

Maybe you’ll play in 2019 as they’re currently saying. Maybe you’ll make an impact. Maybe the Kansas City Chiefs will win football games with you as the number one wide receiver option. Maybe you’ll be the MVP of the season. Maybe you’ll get your record setting deal in 2020 and go on continuing your career as the fastest in football. The true Cheetah. But with my Blinders Off, the Chiefs aren’t giving you that contract. You’ll be a Chief in 2019, but at the season’s end the Chiefs either let you walk in free agency or give you the tag’n’trade treatment a la Dee Ford.

Stay out of trouble Tyreek.
That’s all you had to do.

Conclusion

The subject of Tyreek Hill is as flammable as gasoline. It can explode with any opinion about the matter that is too positive, too negative or even too neutral. The subject is as explosive a matter as Tyreek is explosive as a player with the ball in his hands. It’s an infinitely-sided subject that can be taken any way depending on the personal viewpoints of each individual spectator that is attempting to determine where they stand on the matter.

Even after thinking about this particular article for days, what matters to me remains unclear because I still don’t know the facts about what happened within Hill’s family. I can literally rant all day positively or negatively about one side or another. I can be vulgar and hateful, or forgiving and hopeful. Either way, I don’t know the facts about what happened. Determining that this early in the facts would make me too over-entitled to my opinion. Because it’s just another cheap opinion.

It’s my hope that Tyreek Hill plays football for the Kansas City Chiefs again, not just this year, but in 2020 as well. It’s my hope that Tyreek Hill turns into a fantastic family man and helps to raise some wonderful children, especially young Zev Hill. It’s my hope to become a better family man myself, and to remember to not make all of life into football analogies. Life is so much bigger than football or the Chiefs quest to achieve hoisting the Lombardi trophy high and proud as it’s only a small part of our journeys on Earth around the Sun as human beings. Life is hard, parenting is impossible. Watching the Chiefs and Tyreek Hill overcome this situation will be a wonderful experience for us all. And if they don’t, well, I’m positive we’ll figure out that too. We’re Chiefs fans, we’re Arrowhead Guys, we can do this and so can our Kansas City Chiefs!

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Overall

That was some adventure and mess of a PEACE on Tyreek Hill. Ultimately however, I would say it doesn’t matter to the Chiefs in terms of football. The Chiefs can win the Super Bowl with or without Hill. I’d relate to a race car that was already winning all the races but had NOS capabilities. Hill is that NOS feature that will be helpful in getting to the Chiefs Super Bowl. However, the Chiefs have Patrick Mahomes and a host of other players that can win without the NOS. I’d suggest not to forget that dynamic when factoring where you stand on the Tyreek Hill situation. Look at it from all sides just like number 15 does when he’s standing in the pocket gauging what to do with the football before unleashing his next amazing throw.

Arrowhead Guys wanted me to write this with the idea that Tyreek Hill was only going to get a few games suspension. I probably did a little MOAR than that. But if that’s the case, Andy Reid will get his can of NOS ready as the Chiefs win the AFC West again and blow through anyone that gets in their way on their path to the Super Bowl. It may be a cheap path, but it’s my cheap path.

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kguf

I think it would be the highest upside possible for Hill to only miss 4 games this year. The NFL has said they will start their investigation when the process is complete.

So lets say DCF comes out with a report that Hill never abused his son in any way and they were awarding him sole custody with supervised visitation rights for Crystal. A slam dunk win for Hill. The question is when will the report be released and the process concluded.

Now the NFL can start their investigation of the audio tape and anything else they want to dig into. If we are approaching the pre-season games Hill would likely be placed on the commissioners exempt list. The thing that worries me is the NFL is SLOW when it comes to conducting investigations. They take months and then we find out they haven’t really talked to anyone. They could “investigate” for 3 months and THEN come out with a 4 game suspension.

Goodell is so erratic there is really no way to predict what will happen, even if/when Hill is cleared.

gibby-25
gibby-25

Great work fellas!

MasterChief
MasterChief

CBO, These Blinders On/Off articles are fanstastic!

Arguing both sides of an argument shows WISDOM. I really appreciate that!

Chiefs4322
Chiefs4322

Personally I think the NFL has set itself up to always be on the “wrong” end of the outrage mob by not letting the proper authorities make determinations and following these decisions. This moral minority based from Twitter will never be happy anyway as it is a virtue addiction that fuels them and many dont give a shit about their outrage cause.

StramtoReid
StramtoReid

I’m kind of confused on the family Services thing, usually DFS gets involved if there is abused, abandoned , or neglected kids. Since they already removed the child from the home, and there isn’t active criminal investigation, isn’t family service role now, to determine if it’s safe for the child to come

What are Child and family Services supposed to be investigating? The D.A. said they can’t determine who went to far on the spankings. I believe the only thing left to be determined is, if the boy can come home and if the twins get taken away from the mom

I would be really surprised if the Chiefs keep both Watkins and Hill next year. You have to choose one .

Anthony Stratton

And Watkins salary is like $22mil to keep him next year.

Tarkus

*Barring a new contract

Anthony Stratton

Pass unless he plays every game without getting nicked… I’d honestly rather pay him the $22mil for a 1 year rental at that point

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief

If Hill is still around, I have to give him the nod over Watkins. Sammy is more well-rounded, but his injury problems just make him a bad investment. If Hardman shows up, things will get more complicated for both Hill and Watkins.

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

I choose Hill over Watkins

Anthony Stratton

Same.

Spider
Spider

Anyone who’s ever had to deal with someone like Crystal has been able to see through this since the beginning.

1wombat
1wombat

I had one once. Thank God I wasn’t dumb enough to get her knocked up!

Leaf
Leaf

Same. Scary thing is she tried to get knocked up when I started pulling away. Really dodged a bullet with that one.

zulu trader
zulu trader

Amen brother. I’m glad my little swimmers were able to avoid all that shit!

Anthony Stratton

What if you had one AND her name was Crystal?

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

Yep. I was still disappointed when the allegations were tossed around that he was hitting the kid in the chest. Initially I was done and even went into my garage and cursed him. I’m glad more came to light and more is still coming, and really hope he didn’t touch his son in that manner.

sydenham

Wow, good article, covers two sides of the issue and brings it all back to life>football.

workingmansdead

So if he is essentially cleared of any wrongdoing by Child Protective Services, then why would Roger suspend him? What’s the basis at that point? Other than just simple cock-blocking, of course.

stjoechief

The “You should be terrified of me, b****” statement on the audio recording. And being a PR problem for the league. Goodell can essentially suspend any player, for any length of time, for any reason. I can’t recall an instance of a player’s appeal making any difference, although there may be a case out there.

workingmansdead

Well, the appeal usually shortens the sentence. I did forget about that statement though.

Tarkus

Jimmy Smith was suspended four games for essentially the same thing, and unlike Tyreek, he had no prior history.

workingmansdead

Well that’s not ideal.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan

If we are going to start suspending players for making that kind of statement there is going to be a whole lota suspended guys.

Leaf
Leaf

The major problem with the league punishments is that there’s no consistency. Look at our JMac tampering case. Every team does it and has been doing it for years. But how many teams have been penalized like we were? And is not like the league decided to be stricter after the JMac situation. It’s hard to gage what the league will and won’t do as they are all over the place with how they handle things.

stjoechief

It’s impossible for any of us outside the organization to project what will happen. Too many unknowns: What will the final determination by CPS be? What will the Rog do (suspension vs. Exempt List indefinitely)? When/if Hill plays this season, is he the same player as last year? What communication has been taking place between Hill and the team? Has Clark Hunt already made up his mind or is he awaiting further developments?

If Hill is reunited with his son and appropriate monitoring is taking place then I would hope he remains a Chief into the future. I hope he gets to continue playing NFL football regardless because his son will have a much better life with a father who makes millions rather than $15 an hour.

SuperMegaChief
SuperMegaChief

PR problems aside, I can’t blame someone if they aren’t convicted. The Chiefs are in a situation where if they want to appear to be a squeaky clean organization, then Hill could be cut. But as a fan, I would be upset letting talent go if they weren’t actually charged or proven guilty of anything. Unfortunately, the court of public opinion holds way too much power over the actual lawful system.

Berserker

Unfortunately, there are way too many people who actually believe that the court of public opinion should have power.

zulu trader
zulu trader

I guess that is what we are waiting for. If the Chiefs wanted to be squeaky clean they would have already cut him. They are waiting for public opinion to cool down.. Time heals all wounds — so to speak

but we don’t know how long for the broken arm to heal. Of course at 3 years old, that trauma might last a lifetime

and furthermore maybe Tyreek had nothing to do with his sons injury, but if he’s the Dad it sorta’ happen on “his watch” didn’t it?

MasterChief
MasterChief

Just about every kid ever does dumb shit and hurts themselves under their parents watch. With that philosophy, just about every kid in the world would be in government custody.

Berserker

I still remember the time my dad dropped his thermos and it hit me in the head. I guess that must’ve been a traumatic experience for me. Maybe I better report him for it, forty years later.

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

What a clown world we’d be in if that were the case!

Berserker

I don’t think they’ll be able to keep two top-salary WRs. And I’m sure they’d rather keep Watkins long term, not even considering off-field stuff. Just in terms of football, Watkins is a more versatile player.

They just need to worry about who’s gonna have better avail-ability. Watkins, with his broke feet. Or Hill, with his…choosing to marry a girl he went to jail over.

Tarkus

If Hardman makes significant progress this year, it could seal Hill’s fate.

If Watkins comes back, it will be on a new deal. I can’t see him playing next year on his current deal.

Berserker

That’s true, Hardman or some other new guy could change things quite a bit. Hopefully will.

I actually think the Chiefs would be willing to eat Watkins’ cap hit next year. It’s only $1.8 million more than his cap hit this year. And, it’s less than ANY of Frank Clark’s cap hits after this year… so that tells me that the Chiefs aren’t afraid to spend a chunk o’ cap on a player who they think will be productive.

Of course, that all depends on whether Watkins is actually productive this year.

Tarkus

With Watkins it’s all about health. Little doubt in my mind he’ll have a great year if he stays healthy.

Berserker

Yeah, he’s a really good player when he’s actually on the field. That’s why I think that everything being equal as far as availability, the Chiefs would rather keep Watkins than Hill, just for pure football reasons.

Kurdish_chief
Kurdish_chief

If the chiefs keep injury prone Watkins over Hill for football reasons, everyone in the front office deserves to get fired.

Berserker

If Watkins misses games again this year, then that would be absolutely true. But if he doesn’t miss games, then that could change some minds.

Too early right now to make a determination.

workingmansdead

DRob

Druful
Druful

… wanders off into the Chief’s sunset and signs with (spins wheel of NFL teams) the Seahawks for 2020.

workingmansdead

Maybe, maybe not.

Anthony Stratton

But what if Watkins misses 5 games again this year?

Tarkus

Then he’ll only play 14.

Druful
Druful

Your math skills are elite.

Berserker

Then he gone.

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

Agreed. No way Watkins comes back next year on that deal, even if he wins SB MVP.

Kurdish_chief
Kurdish_chief

Watkins is not the more versatile player. Lol

Hill plays a bigger role for the chiefs and is used way more than watkins (E.G. Jet sweeps, lines up at slot, at RB, returns punts, lines up outside, teams always having to have a Safety shaded his side)

Hill is a top 5 WR while Watkins isn’t even top 15

Berserker

Watkins is much, much more versatile.

Hill is really only good at two things in the passing game – deep balls, and swing passes. He might very well be the best in the league with deep passes…maybe the best I can personally remember, especially given his height disadvantage. But that’s still a specialty.

Hill is not a RB. Way too many fools think any fast guy can be an effective RB. Don’t fall into that trap.

The only things that Hill is good at in the short game, are swing passes, screens, and gadget plays. Thing is, lots of fast receivers are good at those plays. Hill is not good at all in the middle of the field, and he’s only competent on short-medium out patterns.

Actually watch those two guys play WR sometime, without letting your hero worship blind you.

Kurdish_chief
Kurdish_chief

You’re very wrong pal.

“Hill is really only good at two things in the passing game – deep balls, and swing passes. He might very well be the best in the league with deep passes…maybe the best I can personally remember, especially given his height disadvantage. But that’s still a specialty.”

He’s good at everything. Making contested catches, deep routes, screens, swing passes. Per PFF, he lead the NFL in contested catch %.

“Hill is not a RB. Way too many fools think any fast guy can be an effective RB. Don’t fall into that trap.”

I never said he was a RB, i said that he can line up at RB. Big difference.

“Thing is, lots of fast receivers are good at those plays. Hill is not good at all in the middle of the field, and he’s only competent on short-medium out patterns.”

Lol this is false again. Phillip dorset, cordalle patterson, John ross, ted ginn jr, etc. are all fast players and none of them can do the things that tyreek does at an elite level. Probably because not every fast player can do the things that you allege.

“Actually watch those two guys play WR sometime, without letting your hero worship blind you.”

Hahaha what a pathetic, unnecessary shot. Hill outperforms sammy in every statistical category. And the things that he does for the chiefs is by far greater than the things sammy does for us. The only thing watkins has over Hill, is being a better goal line target because of his size and being able to break tackles because of his size.

TNCHIEFS
TNCHIEFS

Hill may return as a talent, but it will be hard for fans to fully embrace him going forward UNLESS it’s definitively proven he didn’t do it. That’s not passing judgement. Just stating a fact.

Berserker

Well, it was proven that he DID hit her the first time. And lots and lots of fans still chanted his name when he returned punts.

TNCHIEFS
TNCHIEFS

Maybe, but he spent a ton of goodwill that had been extended to him.

Berserker

How much you wanna bet that right about the same number of fans will be chanting TY-REEK the next time he returns a punt for us?

Or, if the Chiefs do cut him, the next time he returns a punt for whichever team….

Anthony Stratton

With the stories of her mental disorder, which reportedly might have caused her to make all this up…I wonder how likely it is she at least exaggerated regarding the initial incident.

Spider
Spider

I questioned that story since I first read about it post-draft. Now, with her admitting her scheme relating to this situation, I don’t believe it at all. She was locking down that meal ticket.

Chieftess-Blinders-On
Chieftess-Blinders-On

I wonder that as well Anthony… She was trying to “catch” him, from what I heard, while having a personal conversation. I think there is also a possibility that what was said when he said you better be terrified he was referring to all the luxuries his fame afforded her, and the money he could use to hire a lawyer to get custody of their children. Anything’s possible.
With popcorn

Anthony Stratton

I think its very possible him saying she should be terrified was related to knowing she was trying to set him up.

Spider
Spider

Yeah, if you mean terrified she was going to lose her meal tickets.

Tarkus

It was in direct response to her saying their son was scared of him physically, but yeah, let’s paint it in the best possible light.

Spider
Spider

She already admitted to trying to set him up. So why would anyone believe anything she was saying whilst she was attempting to do so? The accusatory words out of her mouth weren’t worth the paper they were printed on.

Anthony Stratton

Have you heard the entire audio unedited?

Berserker

Has anybody, besides her and him?

MasterChief
MasterChief

Exactly what I said when it first came out. She could have been threatening to ruin his life with this stuff, causing him to say that.

Pure speculation at this point but the tape proves very little.

Spider
Spider

If you listen to the recording, it was all her making accusations and asking leading questions. He was mostly not responding; he said very little. When he made the bitch comment, it wasn’t an angry tone. That comment reads far worse than it actually sounded.

Berserker

The world may never know.

I do remember a few details of that incident, though. How both of them agreed that Hill was trying to get her to leave HIS room, finally took her phone and threw it out in the hallway to get her to leave, and that the physicality only started after she opened the door he’d closed and came back in. But of course, folks will make you out to be a territorial cavemanish toxically male dickhole if you hint that boundary issues like that can cause you to lose your temper…if the boundary violator is female, that is.

Spider
Spider

Actually, he took a deal. In light of this latest, admitted attempt by her to set him up, how much do you trust her version of those events?

…and yeah. They’ll get over it. They should; it was a setup.

Spider
Spider

Our legal system doesn’t prove anyone innocent; they are PRESUMED innocent.

Leaf
Leaf

He’s talking about the court of public opinion. And there’s no presumed anything with it. People will always side with their emotions.

CHIEFSandSABRES
CHIEFSandSABRES

Exactly.

Spider
Spider

Here’s the thing though: SHE admitted to the abuse on the tape. Since CPS is legally prohibited from talking about it, that’s as close to proven innocent as anyone in Ty’s situation could hope for. Even if he was tried and the verdict came back as ‘not guilty’ some people would still say that doesn’t mean he’s innocent and technically they are correct, but really they are only trying to justify their bias. She gets a pass because she’s the mom.

Berserker

That’s not the only reason she gets a pass in this case.

Berserker

Eh, not all people always side with their emotions. Only the loudest people.

BleedingRedAndGold

Didn’t do what? I’m confident he did not break his son’s arm with some sort of abuse – trust the Mandated Reporters in the hospital, who have a legal responsibility to look for and report signs of abuse. As for “definitively” proven innocent, since that’s both requiring him to prove a negative and a matter of opinion what constitutes “definitive”, you are essentially setting the bar impossibly high for him.

And those are facts, too.

Mitko

I don’t know the legality of incuding Hill’s son’s name. I have noticed that most articles exclude it. Might be something to edit

Anthony Stratton

We’re not reporting anything, so I don’t think the same concern is there.

Mitko

Just wanted to check. I really don’t know

Chieftess-Blinders-On
Chieftess-Blinders-On

It is good to know the person behind the “Hill’s 3 year old son” that has been going around all over the place. Its known, but hard to find because it appears the media reporting on him don’t want to acknowledge it. All for ratings and who has the best gritty story, not the person himself. The boy. Zev

Berserker

Do you know the reasons that minors’ names generally aren’t publicized?

HawaiiFiveOh
HawaiiFiveOh

Because fame goes to their heads?

Petey Mussolini
Petey Mussolini

bingo

Berserker

Well…there’s several considerations, but none of them are because the media are trying to take emotional impact out of their stories….

zulu trader
zulu trader

Tyreek has lost his luster