Report: Tyreek Hill Didn’t Break Son’s Arm

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According to 810 sports radio, Tyreek Hill did not break his son’s arm. This report says that the broken arm was an accident, and not an intentional injury due to either Hill or his fiance Cyrstal Espinal.

Another big piece of news from this story is that Espinal asked somebody else to make a call about Hill.

The investigation into Hill and Espinal began weeks after the broken bone was first treated, when Espinal, according to sources, asked a third party to call authorities and tell them that Hill was responsible for the boy’s injury.  Espinal has admitted she was trying to shame Hill because in her mind, he had become too controlling and abusive again in their long and stormy relationship.

They also say both Hill and Espinal spanked him using a belt.

The investigation into the couple’s parenting accelerated when Overland Park police checked on the boy in March and found bruises and welts on his body.  Both Hill and Espinal have admitted to investigators that they spanked the 3 year old with their hands and a belt, but prosecutors can’t determine for sure which parent, or if both, went too far.

I suspect there is more yet to come in this story, and as always Arrowhead Guys will do their best to provide accurate and timely coverage.

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ProfChesterTQ
ProfChesterTQ

This is why (looking at you Kareem Hunt) you be upfront with your NFL teams front office… they have great PR resources to smooth out troubled waters.
A+ job guys (Chiefs Damage Control Unit) ! You guys have Tyreek just about ready for sainthood !

ProfChesterTQ
ProfChesterTQ

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stjoechief
stjoechief

The best living situation for the child is still being determined. But regardless of how that turns out, he will be infinitely better off if his father is playing NFL football than not. Money is no substitute for good parenting but it affords opportunities that would otherwise be out of reach. Those calling for Hill to be banned from the NFL are more interested in appearing virtuous by punishing him than they are about the child’s welfare. Which is, of, course, typical of those who propagate outrage for its own sake.

Tyrone
Tyrone

This is a very intelligent and correct take.

backbone313
backbone313

Nursemaaids break

zulu trader
zulu trader

this all makes the most sense of anything I’ve heard, yet.

Berserker
Berserker

Yeah. Probably because there are less made-up parts to it than anything we’ve been told before. That’s usually how these things tend to evolve, as more facts become known and leave less space for emotionally driven assumptions.

zulu trader
zulu trader

^^^ that^^^

zulu trader
zulu trader

broken arm a result of an accident

zulu trader
zulu trader

belt is strong on a 3yr old. Maybe illegal, huh? But, it’s no broken arm. Maybe these ghetto dwellers will learn something — they have the resources to make it so

Berserker
Berserker

My dad threatened me with “the belt” sometimes, but never actually used it. His dad did use it. Things evolve.

Tyrone
Tyrone

It’s all about the threat

Berserker
Berserker

Well, before the belt, my dad threatened to make me go out in the yard and cut my own switch. Tried to get all psychological with me that way. So I worried about that for a few minutes, and then I went out and cut my own switch, and then I tried it out on my own leg. So, after I sort of taught myself that my stick really didn’t hurt a whole lot when I used it on myself, I took it to Dad and said, “Here, Dad, you try it.”

Well, Dad was confused for a little while, but then he got a belt and he hit a piece of wood with the buckle, and he pointed to the dent. Luckily, that scared me straight till I outgrew the need to be corporal-ly punished.

zulu trader
zulu trader

I believe I didn’t have the luxury of cutting my own switch. One was custom made just for me

WaywerdSon
WaywerdSon

my mother used my orange hot wheels track to tan my backside

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

Dad had a belt and a small board. The belt is worse than the board because that bastard wraps around the but and whips it a little. I certainly dont remember getting anywhere near that at 3, but was probably 3 or four the first spanking I can remember. It was by hand and I dont think there would have been any Mark’s from it. I got a switch once and that hurt like hell, it left a few welts I was probably 9.

Fyi with the spankings / whippings I got I still consider my parents to be as good as any to have ever walked the earth.

I’m pretty sure I deserved every whipping I got, other than one my brother lied about me doing something I didn’t. Note i didn’t get alot of them because I learned to follow directions and not disrespect my parents.

workingmansdead

Same here.

VChiefsFan
VChiefsFan

My Grandmother gave me the worst beating of my life. I was visiting her for the summer when I was 14, cops brought me home one morning. She put a piece of hemp rope in a water bucket, and then used it on me 2 hours later……. It cut me through my jeans.

Cops never brought me home again…..

legal_kush
legal_kush

yardstick was my bane

stjoechief
stjoechief

Same for me.

Chief-Blinders-On

I’m ready for this saga to be over.

StramtoReid
StramtoReid

My opinion is usually the opposite of the AG and today is no different. I believe a crime was committed, it’s not about the broken arm, it is about how Hill’s son is being spanked.

This cases is different from the Peterson case because we don’t know who carried the spanking to far. The good thing is, family services is going to monitor Hill’s son now. I’m not about blame, I’m about resolutions. I was raised by a single mom and we didn’t have much money, I always felt loved and thought my childhood was magical. I believe Hill’s son deserves to have a magical childhood free of getting his ass kicked because he made a mistake or he is not being the perfect child.

Hill might not have been the one who carried the spankings to far, but he needs to adjust his parenting style if he wants a well adjusted son .

Based on Hill admitting to use a belt on his son, and telling Crystal she needs to be terrified of him, I would give him a 2 to 4 game suspension.

I would let Hill finish the season and afterwards decide who is the Chiefs future #1 receiver, Hill or Watkins and give one of them an extension.

tripower66
tripower66

So just with this info, you NOW believe the crime was the spanking(new info) instead of the broken arm?

SunnyInAz
SunnyInAz

Spar the rod…Spoil the child!

Nasrani
Nasrani

I had my suspicions that the broken arm was an accident or just a kid being a kid. Kids do that – they do stupid things, and they get hurt doing them. It’s what helps them not do stupid things in the future.

Unfortunately now kids can’t hurt themselves in accidents without CPS being all over the parents like flies on honey. I get that you want to take a kid out of a potentially abusive situation ASAP, but sometimes kids break bones by being kids. They see something on TV and try to repeat it, and then wind up hurting themselves. Or maybe they’re reaching for the cookie jar on top of the fridge and fall off the chair while their parents’ backs are turned. They’re kids; they don’t know better.

My brother broke his arm when he was four years old because he fell off of something. Does that mean my dad was a bad father? Not at all. It just means that four year olds have poor balance.

wildcats137
wildcats137

Jeff Rosen is pretty butt hurt on Twitter right now. I’m loving it lol. Don’t expect any sort of mea culpa from the kc star anytime soon.

Spider
Spider

…Espinal, according to sources, asked a third party to call authorities and tell them that Hill was responsible for the boy’s injury. Espinal has admitted she was trying to shame Hill…

Unfortunately, false abuse claims are common in family court. The only thing unique about this case is the publicity. Hill may not be perfect, but Espinal is clearly unstable, has admittedly abused the child, and is entirely untrustworthy to act in the children’s best interests. Hill should petition for sole physical custody of all three children the day the twins are born.

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

I’m all for not using Tyreek and breaking for any headlines ever again. I mean hell this is twice as bad because it’s breaking news about a broken arm.

I know you’re just trying to get all the clicks!😁

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

No humor people jeeze.

starry1
starry1

I believe in spanking, but IMO a belt is too harsh for the child’s age and spanking hard enough to leave bruises is always wrong. The worst I ever had my entire childhood where maybe some welts that were gone within a few hours.

I know she’s had those twins by now because she was like 8 months pregnant when the story first broke like 2-3 months ago. I wonder if they’ve been allowed to keep the twins or if they were taken away by DCFS at birth. Has there been ANY mention of them in the news?

Snafu
Snafu

I think they’ve said she’s still pregnant. And I agree about the belt thing.
The part of the phone call that bugged me was that he didn’t deny it when she said Tyreek spread the kid’s arms and punched him in the chest. Anything’s possible, but I think it’s reasonable that most people would objected immediately to being accused of punching their child in the chest.

Dave B.
Dave B.

Why would he bother to object? He’s not aware anyone will ever hear the call so what’s the point?

I got the impression he was just being dismissive of the whole thing…. what I heard of the call that is.

Snafu
Snafu

He could have been being dismissive, it’s just that that one would have been too insulting to me to not at least mutter a “fuck you” or “bullshit” in response. Whether or not he thought someone was listening.

workingmansdead

As an aside, can we all agree that a presumption of any semblance of privacy at any time is a thing of the past? You have to assume that everything you say and do is being recorded and/or watched at this point.

Snafu
Snafu

I’ve been meaning to talk to you about a few things I’ve seen and heard. You got some splainin’ to do
.😉

workingmansdead

It was only a matter of time.

Berserker
Berserker

Why would he deny punching the kid in the chest, if he thinks he’s not hitting the kid hard enough for it to be a big deal?

Snafu
Snafu

That’s possible, but if using a belt is reasonable to him then he loses some benefit of the doubt, IMO.

Berserker
Berserker

Sure, thus why he’s not currently in custody of his kid. And, don’t forget, his wife isn’t either.

But, really, does anybody really think that Tyreek is punching a 3-year-old as hard as he can? Does anybody think Tyreek is purposely trying to injure his kid? Because the way this punching thing gets described by some people, it sure comes off that way.

Snafu
Snafu

Oh, I agree that he couldn’t possibly be punching as hard as he could or trying to injure him. And I’m sure he was raised that way, too.
And yeah, she’s no angel.

Leaf
Leaf

Actual he does deny it. The only thing hill somewhat doesn’t deny in that audio is using a belt. When she accuses him, he deflects and says she uses a belt. Every other accusation he denies. He also clarified the “chest punching” in the statement released by his lawyers whet he says he taps his son in the chest with his fist and tells him to man up. Now I’ll admit hill could just be lying to cover his ass, but this is not an uncommon gesture, so he could also be telling the truth. It really comes down to whether or not you think Tyreek is scum of the earth or not.

Tyrone
Tyrone

From memory (I could be wrong), she didn’t accuse him of belting him in the audio. She made the punching accusation, and he responded with (paraphrasing) “you hit him with a belt too” . The word “too” specifically being used may mean that he hits him with a belt, and she does too, but I don’t recall her ever accusing him of that in the audio.

Snafu
Snafu

Right, she makes the punching accusation and his response is about her using a belt. “Even my mamma says you use a belt.”

Snafu
Snafu

Well, it’s sure possible I missed it, but she makes the accusation and he says something like, “OK, and what do you do? You use a belt.” I’m pretty sure he makes no attempt at denial.

Dave B.
Dave B.

Playing devil’s advocate here… bruising from spanking could be caused by trying to hold a child who is being spanked. It doesn’t have to mean the spanking caused the bruising.

tsv0728
tsv0728

Yeah…that’s a bit on the crazy spectrum. My dad was old school, like old old school, and I don’t think the belt/board started until 7 or 8. Definitely left some marks/welts on occasion, but again, I wasn’t 3.

Tyrone
Tyrone

I’m not an expert, but I don’t think a parent should ever be causing physical pain to a 3 year old as part of disciplining them. I don’t like doing it, but my wife and I very occasionally give my 3 year old a little tap on the butt when we’ve exhausted every other option. It never hurts though, and would certainly never leave bruises.

JustaChiefsFan
JustaChiefsFan

I’ll believe this when Brooke reports it!

alsi2
alsi2

Brooke is no doubt preparing an article outlining why Hill should be dismissed by the Chiefs and kicked out of the league for NOT breaking his son’s arm since, you know, we all know he did it.

A Lunar Ting

Very muchso not impressed with the Tyreek Hill apologia.

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

I think I missed the joke or meaning here, but it’s normal for me.

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

Spanking a 3 year old to bruises and welts is to much. That said there is A LOT of perspective to be applied to something like this.

In my case I was spanked and spanked pretty damn hard sometimes. I was older than three when I was spanked hard enough to leave a mark that is for sure. If they were accustomed to seeing and being punished harshly at a young age it is likely they dont see much wrong with it.

As far as the broken arm I never really believed he or really even she did it. Maybe they just weren’t paying attention when it happened at the most.

Best thing for all in my opinion is parent counseling and seperation from each other.

JustaChiefsFan
JustaChiefsFan

Well, well well! It will be interesting to see how Keitzman spins this information that he is breaking.

Berserker
Berserker

I’m gonna go ahead and assume that Kietzman spent about 15 seconds reading these facts in a very fast and dull monotone, and then has used all the rest of his air time passionately preaching that Hill should be released from the team, fired from the NFL, and kicked into the Pit of Sparta.

JustaChiefsFan
JustaChiefsFan

LOL! Upd yours!

Mink Farmer
Mink Farmer

From the letter Hill’s attorney released:

Tyreek: “Crystal you know I didn’t cause any bruising or harm to [our son.] But for some reason I still may be charged.”

Crystal: “I know you didn’t. I did. I hurt [our son.] I’m the one that did it. I was hurt and mad at you so I blamed you for everything.”

If today’s 810 report is reliable, bruising/welts from excessive discipline are the only known potentially criminal behavior at issue, and unless the texts are fabricated or staged, it appears as though Hill denies wrongdoing while Crystal accepts responsibility. It’s getting harder and harder to make a case that the Chiefs should leave Hill on suspended status.

Berserker
Berserker

It’s also been reported that Tyreek punches his kid in the chest as a disciplinary tactic. That could be at least some of the “bruises and welts.”

When Crystal said “I hurt [our son],” she could mean that she “hurt” the kid and the whole family by asking her friend to call in that false tip about Tyreek. A lie that results in your kid being taken from you, that could definitely be called “hurting” your kid…. Pure guessing, but the way her comment goes on to talk about how she “blamed you for everything,” makes me think it’s possible that the context behind that convo was maybe the false tip, instead of some injury to their son like we’ve all assumed up to now.

It’s just, we don’t know. There could be and probably is a whole ton of context behind that text convo, and we’ve got none of it. So we just assume that it is about the little context and facts that we do have, but that could easily be a very wrong assumption.

Mink Farmer
Mink Farmer

All true.

BleedingRedAndGold

To me, this is the most important quote:

“Investigators quickly agreed with the medical staff that the broken bone was the result of typical accident involving a rambunctious toddler, consistent with reaching out to brace for a fall.”

I will grant that it is much what I’ve been saying for a while now, but that’s due to my trust in medical personnel in ER rooms. “Mandated Reporter” is not a meaningless title, it carries some professional and legal responsibilities. I’ll trust them before I do some fiddlin’ reporter looking to advance their career via controversy.

Berserker
Berserker

But then, what about the DA who said that he was sure that somebody hurt the kid?

Seems like that’s done more than anything the media have done, to incite the lynch mob and reinforce confirmation bias throughout this whole saga.

A lot of us complained about those remarks by the DA at the time, that he took the trouble to make at a public press conference, back when we assumed that there was no way to definitively decide whether the injuries were from an accident or intentional act.

If it turns out that “investigators” and medical staff were all leaning toward it being an accidental injury from the start, way before the DA had his press conference, that he seemingly scheduled specifically to say the exact opposite, thennnn….. well, damn, how fucked up would that DA’s comments look now?

Berserker
Berserker

According to multiple sources close to the investigation, Hill and Espinal were cleared of any role in the broken bone injury almost immediately after the investigation began in March.

In April Johnson County District Attorney Steve Howe held a press conference to announce criminal charges wouldn’t be brought against Hill or Espinal but stated he believed a crime was committed against the boy and it was believed the crime was about the broken arm. It was not.

During the news conference Howe said several times that he could not comment about any injuries to the boy whose privacy is protected by law.

I mean…. how the fuck is that ^ kind of stuff coming from the DA’s mouth not criminal negligence, at the very least? Don’t give me any shit about how he was actually just talking about bruises and isn’t responsible for the public’s assumptions, because he wouldn’t be a DA if he was that fucking dense.

It’s not like he was forced to hold that press conference, like an NFL head coach after a game. He’s the one who decided to make that press conference happen. Was his whole purpose just to make that statement? Sure as fuck seems that way. Seemed that way at the time, and definitely seems that way in hindsight.

Story goes on to say that Howe didn’t comment for today’s story. But whoever is responsible for this guy in a supervisory role really should fucking make him comment about his behavior, in private, and justify why he should keep his job after giving all appearance of using his office to try to ruin people’s lives out of….well, I’ll channel my inner Steve Howe and just call it “spite,” and leave anybody who happens to read this unsolicited comment to make their own assumptions.

Leaf
Leaf

The problem is, implication isn’t illegal. He never accuses hill of anything, only heavily implies it. The move was a move by a politician making sure the angry mob thinking hill was guilty didn’t blame him for not charging hill.

Berserker
Berserker

That’s not a problem. Don’t need to be charged with a crime to lose your job for being malicious and/or incompetent. Don’t need to be charged with a crime to be sued for material damage to a person’s career.

Pretty much like how Tyreek Hill wasn’t charged with a crime.

Johnson County should keep in mind that they will share any repercussions that might come from this DA’s slimy behavior.

Leaf
Leaf

It is a problem. Because he never implicitly mentions hill or his woman, he can point hill toward the NFL and others for over reaction. He will not face any repercussions for his implications. That’s my point.

Berserker
Berserker

If people just roll over and forget what he pulled off, then you’re right, there won’t be any repercussions for him. And when that happens, then that is the real problem.

It’s not slimeballs like this DA seems to be, who are the problem. It’s weak people who hide from the effort of holding them accountable.

But anyhow, as far as “he never implicitly mentions Hill or his woman…” well, the investigation and Howe’s presser wasn’t about anybody except those two and their son, so….seems to me you are going to some lengths, there. Why?

Leaf
Leaf

Is love to see the slimeball, and others like him, get their just due. But I’ve seen lawyers/politicians twist words that were a lot more clearly expressed then this. Hell I’m not a lawyer, and I’m fairly confident I could get the guy off the hook.

BleedingRedAndGold

Even if it’s criminal negligence, prosecutors generally have complete immunity for the performance of their job. A year or three ago a story broke about a prosecutor who’d been convicted of criminal behavior on the job. That may not sound all that meaningful, but from what the lawyers I read were saying is that it was the first time that any of them had ever heard of that sort of thing happening.

And when you consider that prosecutors /routinely/ violate Brady v. Maryland by withholding exculpatory evidence and face no consequences for doing so, why would he worry about something he said at a press conference? Appointed or elected, he’ll likely stay in office for the duration of his term, and if he’s elected, he will probably get re-elected, as well. All the voting public care about DAs is they get lots of convictions, and those convictions are all good, as far as they thing about it. Hate defense lawyers all you like, but by and large, prosecutors are far less ethical.

Berserker
Berserker

I know what usually happens. That’s not an excuse to not expect the right thing to happen instead, and to point out when and why the right thing doesn’t happen.

BleedingRedAndGold

Oh, I agree, didn’t mean to make it sound like you are wrong, just that I don’t see anything notably bad to happen to Howe over this. I suppose you could say I was just bemoaning the way things are in that arena. As much as I wish things were different, the above is why I don’t expect anything to change.

We are still discussing and not arguing, right? Sometimes I literally can’t tell, but that’s all me and nothing to do with how you’ve been writing.

Berserker
Berserker

One thing that actually could happen, is people remember what Howe did with this, if he’s ever up for election to anything in the future.

And I’m not even necessarily saying remember in a vengeful way. Because we still don’t know everything, could still turn out that Tyreek is a straight up monster (even though that possibility seems to be getting less likely with every new fact-dump).

Thing is, Howe did something, here. He unilaterally decided to take action, to deliberately manipulate lots of people’s assumptions, and to directly affect the lives of the Hill family. Whether he turns out right or wrong in that decision, people should remember, and treat him accordingly, from here on out.

Armychiefj
Armychiefj

Duke lacrosse case. Gross negligence got that DA not only fired but disbarred. The Hill news conference went nowhere near that, but it does happen.

Armychiefj
Armychiefj

He is the DA. It’s an elected position. His supervisor is the voting public and he spun the story the way he thought would be best to get him re-elected.

KCFanatic
KCFanatic

I think he said that they “were sure a crime had been committed”, I don’t think they said what crime and they def said that they didn’t know by whom.

Berserker
Berserker

Why did he even say that much publicly? He chose to have a press conference. Like I pointed out below, don’t try to feed me any line about how he didn’t know how his words would be taken or isn’t responsible for the public’s assumptions, because that’s simply bullshit. He’s a fucking lawyer, his entire job is being deliberate and precise with words.

Spider
Spider

Berserker, you hit the nail on the head Mr. Myiagi-style.

Leaf
Leaf

I completely agree he knew exactly what he was doing and how it would be taken. But he was extremely smart and slimy how he said it so as to not look like he was just letting a beloved celeb off and also not risk repercussions.

Berserker
Berserker

So what?

I honestly don’t get your whole point, here. If the truth is that evident, then what the hell does it matter what this guy did to shield himself from repercussions? It’s like you’re trying to give him partial credit for innocence because he put effort into appearing innocent.

Leaf
Leaf

Im not saying that in the least. I’m saying he’s a lawyer and a politician. I’ve seen both weasel out of worse comments. You can not “prove” he was implying hill. You “believe”, as do I, that he was, but without proof, he’ll walk away from this as though nothing happened.

Berserker
Berserker

No he won’t walk away as if nothing happened. People will remember what he did, and that memory will have consequences.

MasterChief
MasterChief

I think it’s time for the Chiefs to bring Tyreek back to work.

rollin with mahomies
rollin with mahomies

“Espinal has admitted she was trying to shame Hill because in her mind, he had become too controlling and abusive again in their long and stormy relationship.”

Atleast she admitted that she is just trying to “shame” Hill; however “abusive again” isn’t something I wanted to read.

Just like everyone else has been saying, these two need to continue to go their separate routes and not cross paths again. They seem to cause eachother more trouble than good.

Mink Farmer
Mink Farmer

If this report is accurate (that’s a big if at this point), it shows that she lied in an attempt to frame Hill for injuring her son. That, along with the mental health issues reportedly being investigated, make it pretty hard to trust anything she says. Join the discussion…

Chiefs4322
Chiefs4322

I thought she was clearly trying to lead him into saying something incriminating. This is another example of many media outlets going for the drama over the facts and screw the people involved. Since it is an NFL star the follow up is big news, consider how many regular people get screwed by out lying ass media the next time you read ANY story about ANY topic media companies are telling you.

Mink Farmer
Mink Farmer

There’s no question she was trying to lead him in the audio. Still, he made no admission.

BleedingRedAndGold

Regular reporters, even those who report on legal matters regularly, aren’t very reliable when it comes to getting the reports right. Sportswriters? To coin a phrase or two, are you kidding me? What a mess. 😉

That’s why I trust the hospital staff over what reporters are saying, WRT the broken arm the medical folks said all that’s necessary by determining that there was no abuse related to that. And even if you find the recording to be credible information (I do not, especially now), it’s 1.5 minutes out of ~10. IMO likely the most inflammatory part of the recording, as the media uses controversy to sell ad space and if there was anything worse it likely would’ve been legally actionable and referred to the police.

Berserker
Berserker

That description of Tyreek as “too controlling” is coming from somebody who apparently started a fake abuse report about her own son, in order to gain control of the relationship….

I’ve seen more than a few people who accuse other people of being control freaks when those other people refuse to do things that the accuser tries to make them do…..

BleedingRedAndGold

From my observations, the manager of this joint preemptively calls the other person a liar to cover their own lies. In fact, a lawyer came in for a conference with another resident and the manager because the manager was out to get the resident, and the resident had asked me to be present. I remarked to the lawyer that the manager would call the resident a liar and/or a bully preemptively.

After the conference was over and the manager left, I asked them if I had called it, and the lawyer agreed I had. This is, of course, the same manager who drove me to a near-complete mental breakdown – and when I went to plead for it to stop, I got called a bully. I don’t know how serious that may sound, but I came chillingly close to giving up on living. Not suicidal, just unable to carry on. But if you would ask the manager, guess who they’d characterize as the “victim”. First two guesses don’t count.

Berserker
Berserker

Yeah, lots and lots of people are really quick to accuse other people of what they’re guilty of themselves. I don’t know if that’s getting more common, or if I’m just noticing it more as I get older. I don’t have any kind of feel for when somebody’s doing it deliberately, or when it’s like an automatic projection thing. I really don’t have a good personal understanding of the habit at all, and I’m very glad of that.

BleedingRedAndGold

While with Espinal I’m choosing to assume there’s something psychological going on, something that disturbs me is that she was seemingly willing to use their child as a weapon against Hill. While that’s fairly common in bad divorces, it does the kids no good at all. In fact and in my opinion, doing that generally fucks up the kid(s) involved.

Off-hand, the only thing I can think of worse than that (and excluding any abuse other than weaponizing the kid), is shoving them into foster care. Still don’t know why anyone thinks that’s a way to give the kid a good future.

Berserker
Berserker

Heh, my grandma was a foster kid in St. Joe. Her dad died, his brother had great-grandma committed, then he took over their farm, and paid my grandma’s oldest sister $100 to go get married. My grandma’s brother then joined the Army even though he was only 15-16, and the rest of the kids were too little for my great-uncle to do anything with besides put them in foster care. Because, ha, he obviously wasn’t interested in taking them in.

Fast forward to today, and my grandma (who is now passed) has about a half-dozen grandkids and great-grandkids who’d each of us individually be fully able to buy back the old farm, and buy the houses and land of all of that old great-uncle’s direct descendants and thrown them all out. Together we could probably buy the podunk town that my great-uncle ran, and turn it into, I dunno, a landfill or something. If, that is, it would make any sense to do that, which of course it wouldn’t because that old bastard is long dead, and I don’t even know if any of his descendants even know that story.

Funny how things work out sometimes.