Potential Path Forward For Hill and Custody Case

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Recently on Twitter friend of Arrowhead Guys, Clay Wendler, retweeted a very interesting thread of information compiled by Twitter handle Mind Rhino regarding an outline of how Tyreek Hill’s path towards regaining custody of his son might proceed. I reached out to the Twitter account and got permission to use the thread in a post in order to pass along the information to you.

I personally vetted this information with two different sources who are intimately familiar with family court proceedings, both of whom said the thread was in line with their experiences. However, I must be perfectly clear that these are general guidelines. Any new information that is brought forward in the case or any events that might occur in the future during this process could drastically alter the path laid out below. That said if everything continues smoothly and without further incident this is probable path Tyreek Hill is currently taking to regain custody of his son.

Also, while putting this post together, Seth Keysor tweeted out the following with a link to the handbook for parents who are currently involved with child protective cases in the state of Kansas. Again, the more factual information we take the time to familiarize ourselves with the better.

Again, as a reminder Arrowhead Guys are not law experts, nor are we advertising this information as the way things “will” transpire. It is impossible to predict what other information will come to light in this already bizarre story that might have an impact on the proceedings. However if Tyreek Hill is or already has been proven innocent of any wrong doing regarding the welfare of his child this gives you a valuable look at the timetable of events leading up to officially clearing his name and regaining custody of his child.

All that said, Hill could still face disciplinary action from the NFL for “threatening language” towards Espinal. This situation has been one of the most convoluted stories related to the Chiefs, or even the NFL, that I can recall. As always, as more information becomes available we will strive to provide it to you in an unbiased manner here at Arrowhead Guys, and for now this is just one more piece to the puzzle.

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Berserker

Rec’d, for old times’ sake.

ArrowFan
ArrowFan

Hill should be fully reinstated to participate in 100% of all team activities. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say I imagine there are several NFL playing fathers that do not have full custody of their children. Also, such a thing in of itself shouldn’t matter. But there is a difference between the mother having custody and the state having taken custody.

JustaChiefsFan
JustaChiefsFan

Well done Anthony!

Spider
Spider

Point of order: Our legal system does not prove innocence. One is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Leaf
Leaf

Well that’s the way it’s supposed to work.

Spider
Spider

Well if anyone is waiting on a legal document stating innocence, they should absolutely hold their breath until they see it and do the rest of us a favor.

ElPasoJason
ElPasoJason

This situation is fucking with ny world. I still want Ty to be the man that is fighting off his demons and getting better. I hope thats the case because that kid deserves it. I’m glad the criminal case is cloaed but hopefully thats because nothing bad happened to that kid and not “we just can’t prove it”

Plus, selfishly I want an offense as potent or moreso than last year.

Tyrone
Tyrone

I can’t begin to image having my kids taken off me for days/weeks/months, especially if I had done nothing wrong.

Spider
Spider

Then Title IV-D will disturb the hell out of you. The federal government actually provides monetary incentives to to states to break up families.

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

Ks at least used to, and I believe still does, take more kids from their parents custody per capita that any other state.

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

Welcome to a society that prioritizes perceived safety over freedom.

MasterBlaster7
MasterBlaster7

I say reinstate Hill and put the onus on Goodell…see where we really stand….because this isn’t getting totally resolved till after we win the Super Bowl…I would rather do it with Reek.

ArrowheadRed
ArrowheadRed

I have never met Tyreek or Crystal, but I want to toss my 2 cents in anyway.

Last preseason, I was watching some of the Chiefs play Fortnite online, and Hill told Mahomes, “Shut the F up, Bitch.” Mahomes laughed it off, but I thought that’s a pretty aggressive thing to say to your Star QB.

Some of my relationships with women have had multiple servings of crazy mixed in. When you are the man in a romance with a crazy woman, everyone assumes the drama is your fault. Everyone believes her if she says you abused her. I think it’s entirely possible Tyreek never harmed her at all, and he plead guilty to move beyond all the drama. You probably think that’s insane, but in the days before cell phones my ex wife cut and bruised herself right in front of me, and proceeded to call her father and the police to say I harmed her. No one believed me, of course.

Dave B.
Dave B.

Hill told Mahomes, “Shut the F up, Bitch.” Mahomes laughed it off, but I thought that’s a pretty aggressive thing to say to your Star QB.

I understand what you’re saying but sometimes friends talk to each other like that. Not knowing the nature of their relationship I don’t think it really means anything. Of course, if you want to believe he’s a piece of shit then I see how you could take it as such.

JustaChiefsFan
JustaChiefsFan

Pretty sure I have used that phrase with a friend or two. I see it as a friendly interaction.

Leaf
Leaf

If the things that I’ve said to friends ever leaked, I’d probably look wise than hill.

Team Player
Team Player

Shut the F up, bitch

WTF_Chiefs
WTF_Chiefs

As I said in post on last Hill thread, I had custody of my great nieces for 6 months while my sister got cleared living in Missouri …..it was one year after my nephew got “his $h!t together” that he was reunited with his daughters but had weekly supervised visits during that span

Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street
Maslowskis Demon Barber of Skeet Street

Just my conspiracy theory. Putting all the blame on the mother, citing mental health issues. Tyreek comes out looking pretty innocent in this whole thing. Don’t think this was not a calculated move by the Hill family. She takes all the blame gets treatment and Ty comes out squeeky clean. She does not want her NFL gravy train to end. She wan’ts to start talking $100 Million contract again, and at this point we all agree we can not pay Hill right. If he stays in KC its at a discounted rate, with big clauses in contract regarding domestic abuse.

StramtoReid
StramtoReid

I believe those allegations about Crystal was leaked so the public wouldn’t have a heart attack when the D.A. said Hill’s case was inactive case.

My issue is, Cystal and her son business isn’t the NFL business, so based on the latest gossip, if i was family services, I wouldn’t give the NFL any information, because Crystal allegedly broke Hill’s son’s arm.

What I want to know is, was the text from Crystal written after or before the the audio recording was released?

What sucks for Hill, if he tells the NFL that he didn’t have anything to do with his son’s broken arm, and he did, he is in big trouble.

If the D.A. believed Crystal broke her son’s arm before the audio tape was released, he sure handled the situation wrong because he made Hill look guilty.

Leaf
Leaf

if i was family services, I wouldn’t give the NFL any information

They can’t. It’s illegal to release any information about a minor without parental consent. The only way any information gets out is either through the Hill’s or by illegal means.

Armychiefj
Armychiefj

But the NFL can suspend for not cooperating with the investigation. So basically they can extort him into giving them the information.

Leaf
Leaf

Im pretty sure in that case hill could sue the NFL. They have no legal right to that information, so punishing hill for not giving it to them could back fire big time. Best case scenario for them, the courts force the NFL to reinstate hill. More likely they’d have to pay him a shit ton of money on top of that.

venturachief
venturachief

I tend to agree. There is no way those text messages between Tyreek and Espinal were not a planned exchange to protect the meal ticket. The lack of abbreviations and slang and the use of her first name seem pretty out of character for how most people communicate via text and out of character for Tyreek’s communication on Twitter.

Now I don’t know whether Tyreek is involved in any child abuse but I am pretty sure Espinal is toxic and I wouldn’t put anything past her regarding lying and trying to set him up for blackmail purposes.

Mitko

That’s a pretty bold assumption. I avoid slang and use my wife’s first name all the time. Expecially after a fight

JustaChiefsFan
JustaChiefsFan

Agreed

Mitko

Via what I’ve heard according to their snap and Instagram they are officially split now. (Could be wrong but what I’ve heard from a few people with access to those)

stjoechief

The system is designed to try to get the best possible outcome for the child. That usually means reuniting them with their parents, but the process can take time. Given how convoluted this situation has been it wouldn’t surprise me at all for it to take several months for a final resolution. The question is what Hill’s football status will be if there isn’t a quick reunification. Given past behavior from the Rog, it pains me to say I think Hill would end up on the Exempt List until the whole thing plays out (possibly the whole 2019 season) then get slapped with a suspension afterwards. That prediction has nothing to do with Hill’s guilt or innocence and everything to do with Goodell being an asshat.

BleedingRedAndGold

I’m less sure that the actual situation for Hill’s family is all that convoluted. To my mind what has been convoluted has been the coverage of it, with speculation, misinformation, and a light sprinkling of facts to make each story more plausible dominating.

stjoechief

I’m sure it’s much clearer to the people working the case. But the recent reports about Espinal possibly having a mental illness as a contributing factor, the question of whether there are issues with both parents or just one and what each of them would need to do to address those issues, and the question of whether the boy would be going back to a home with both parents or just one, and if so which one, all look like something that will take time to sort out.

StramtoReid
StramtoReid

Question 1: Does the privacy act allow family services to give confidential evidence to the NFL?

Question 2: The Chiefs and Hill’s agent had an agreement for Hill to miss OTA, since Hill is not on the commish exempt list, can the Chiefs stop Hill from attending training camp?

Question 3: Does Hill have to participate in the commish investigation?

BleedingRedAndGold

An inexpert attempt to answer:
1. Best I can think of is “some”, if the adult(s) give signed permission – and if Hill wants to be reinstated…
2. Probably yes, as he’s been suspended from team activities. While he technically might be allowed to show up as a spectator at practices open to the public, the smart thing to do here is cooperate.
3. Probably not, in the absolute sense, but if he doesn’t, Goodell would likely be within the law to permanently exempt him from the league.

I know those are all vague, but without knowing a whole lot more about the relevant laws and pertinent facts of the situation, nobody can say with much certainty about any of them. Those three questions constitute at least two different categories of law, and quite possibly three. That said, I rather doubt that HIPPA applies to child services, though if not governed by other law or regulation, they almost certainly have a privacy policy.

Fire_FG_the_moron
Fire_FG_the_moron

Answers to questions based up things read and/or previously released.

1) In Kansas, most cases involving children are automatically sealed. So, technically, NO, they dont have to speak to the NFL.

2) I believe it was mutually agreed upon for Hill to stay away from all team activities/facilities until this situation is fully resolved.

3) Does Hill have to participate? Yes, I believe its in the CBA that he must cooperate. Further insight can be found in the Tom Brady suspension. He was suspended specifically for failure to cooperate.

kguf
kguf

Regarding item #3, I think you nailed it. This happens all the time. Looking at the Mueller investigation, most of the people who were charged with not cooperating with the FBI. I worked in HR in the past and we would absolutely charge (and remove) someone for not being cooperative during an investigation.

I’ve read a lot of comments, here and other places about the rights afforded by the constitution. This isn’t a criminal proceeding within the NFL it is an employment proceeding and the constitution does not apply.

Leaf
Leaf

Yes and no. The CBA can only require him to cooperate in so much as it doesn’t conflict with the law. When it comes to minors, no one can require that information. I think the only thing the CBA can require is statuses of the proceedings. Any details would be illegal to force. Hill can, especially if he wants to foster good will, but legally they can’t force him to divulge anything about his son.

kguf
kguf

You are right that they couldn’t compel him to speak about his child but they could ask plenty of questions about the DA’s investigation and his answers to those questions. They could ask about Espinal and HER answers to the DA’s questions. They could ask about the Espinal recording.

I’m thinking they are only interested in the tarnish on the “NFL badge”. I also do not give the NFL high marks for integrity. They will come to a conclusion and then investigate to gather the data to support the result they want.

mbkemp
mbkemp

I believe the answer to the hippa question lies with who has custody of the child. If the state does, the state would have to release the information not the parents. Unless, the statute is different for the state as compared to the rest of us.

Kim Jong Pete
Kim Jong Pete

Hipaa only applies to medical providers. And the state would never release info about a child abuse investigation to a third party regardless of who has custody.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Good stuff AG.

As I said to a good friend of mine yesterday….this situation is more & more fucked up, the more & more we look.

IMO…this couple should STRONGLY consider staying seperate- in the best interests of their kids- and commit to working on themselves individually. Others may not agree with me, and that’s fine, that’s just my take on this entire mass. And I can only hope for the best outcome for the kids.

That said, just as mind rhino points out above….. Some real facts would have been really useful here, instead of all this needless virtue signaling that most of the media’s provided.

AG leading the path! (Wait, or was that “AB”?).