Are the Chiefs REALLY in the Patrick Peterson Market?

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Arrowhead Guys get to the bottom of the Patrick Peterson trade rumors.

Ever since mid-way through the 2018 season, there has been a lot of smoke surrounding the Chiefs acquiring All Pro corner Patrick Peterson through a trade. However, there has been seemingly no fire generating that smoke. Time and time again rumors have swirled that the Chiefs were in deep talks with the Cardinals regarding a trade, and time and time again there has been no substance to them. Days before the 2019 NFL Draft twitter was in a flurry over the sudden development of a Patrick Peterson to KC trade, except it was Frank Clark the team was really trading for.

Throughout the entirety of the draft Chiefs fans were waiting for the news of the trade to be announced, but it never came. That has done little-to-nothing to slow the trade rumors however. With the Chiefs not selecting a corner early in the draft, and the depth on the roster not appearing to be a drastic improvement over where it was a year ago, many are still assuming that a Patrick Peterson trade must be imminent.

The hype and excitement isn’t even limited to Chiefs fans, as even those who cover the Cardinals agree that the trade just makes too much sense not to happen. The Chiefs are “Super Bowl or Bust” while the Cardinals like it or not are in a rebuilding year, and moving Peterson to a contender with two years remaining on his contract would be how a class act organization would treat a beloved veteran.

Unfortunately for Chiefs fans, the fact remains that through all the rumors we have yet to be given the slightest glimmer of hope that there has been any legitimate interest from the team in trading for Peterson. For all the tweets and articles written about how the trade would make sense for all parties involved, at the end of the day there’s only one thing we really know:

Sometimes the thing you want most is just not in the Cards.

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Wiking44
Wiking44

Mahomes and a First Round pick for Peterson. Defense fixed.

Kim Jong Pete
Kim Jong Pete

Been there, done that.

Enite
Enite

I don’t believe the Chiefs are as concerned about CB as many fans. I would love for us to have Peterson, but I could see us getting Boston and maybe going after a big name like Collins.

Berserker
Berserker

I tend to agree. I was thinking this evening while doing yardwork, that getting Peterson would potentially give us the best 7-man secondary depth in the league. Peterson-Fuller-Breeland-Ward-Mathieu-Thornhill-Lucas…that’s not too shabby.

And then I realized, if just one guy could potentially raise our 7-deep to that level, then maybe I’ve been underestimating the top 5-6 DBs we already have…

Still though, Peterson would give us one thing that we don’t already have – an outside CB who is consistently good against a wide variety of receivers. We have Fuller who’s good, but mostly against slot type receivers. And Breeland and Ward, who both might be good, but have a lot of unanswered questions around them. Peterson would be that true #1 outside CB, which is about the only thing our secondary might currently lack.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

The thing I keep coming back to is: How good will the DBs look/perform with a new scheme?

Seems the league knew exactly what Sutton was going to do before he did it…which tends to be bad for the players. I think we’ll see just how good a guy like Fuller is this season. Last season was kind of an anomaly for the guy.

Kim Jong Pete
Kim Jong Pete

I love that the Chiefs keep bringing in versatile guys who like getting after the QB. It’s gonna be really tough for other teams to know where the pressure is coming from. Now, if only we can cover for 3 seconds…

Gersidi76
Gersidi76

Fake news.

4thQtrMagic
4thQtrMagic

Chiefs interested in Peterson? …..Given enough thrust even a pig can fly!

No doubt they would be open to a reasonable deal. Hard to imagine AZ giving him up, without high compensation.

Berserker
Berserker

High compensation like the Chiefs already gave for Frank Clark?

4thQtrMagic
4thQtrMagic

Good point. I was not unhappy about acquiring FC.

It’s certainly possible Veach is nuts enough to do it again. If he believe’s the secondary is the weakest link to a Superbowl? I sure as hell do. How much is too much for a SB? I am all in….

Berserker
Berserker

Personally, I think Peterson is almost too good to come true. A 28-year-old top CB, on a cheap contract (compare with Mathieu’s contract for example) that exactly coincides with the rest of Mahomes’ rookie contract….

I think Arizona would be fools to trade him for anything less than a 1st plus some, like a late rounder or another player. And I think Peterson, with his current contract carrying him to age 30, would be wise to hold out for more money.

If Veach actually pulled off this trade for a 1st, and Peterson didn’t hold out for an extension, then I’d be absolutely ecstatic. And I don’t even think CB is our weakest link.

Team Player
Team Player

2 2nds and a Sorenson?

Berserker
Berserker

Cut Sorensen!

Or trade him for Patrick Peterson, yeah, that’d be cool too.

vvet818
vvet818

this proved that given enough thrust even a brick could fly

4thQtrMagic
4thQtrMagic

Hell yes. Thats a beast!

Berserker
Berserker

One of my favorite planes when I was a kid. Just liked the look of them.

upamtn

so, all the talk and tweets and stories and hand-wringing, and the answer is right there in front of us: the Terez Paylor tweet … if he says there’s nothing to it, there’s nothing to it

slackator
slackator

Terez tweet is from April 23rd so it possibly could not be relevant any longer, however we’ve been hearing PP to the Chiefs since last season and still nothing so Im in the camp of believe it when I see it, until then its people throwing darts for clicks

upamtn

believe it when I see it

yup

Enite
Enite

Things could always change, but i am with you on Terez. If he says it, then that’s what it is.

Berserker
Berserker

I’d give them a 1st rounder in a heartbeat. Bias aside, it’s probably going to be one of the last four picks in the 1st.

My only concern would be if Peterson would be willing to play under his current contract for the next two seasons. His cap hits are really low….which is great for the Chiefs, but the cap hits are actually low enough that it might motivate Peterson to hold out for a new deal.

upamtn

I’d give them a 1st rounder in a heartbeat

I’d agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong …

Berserker
Berserker

Well, you’re on the record many, many times as saying you don’t care about Championships as long as you personally can enjoy watching the team play. So we’re just gonna continue to disagree there.

The nice thing about that is, YOU will eventually be wrong about the Championships thing, and probably sooner rather than later…

upamtn

why yes, yes I *am* on record regarding enjoying the entertainment/play aspect of it all … and since it is, after all, entertainment, isn’t that the whole point???

championships are nice, certainly for those (teams) that win them … and yes, fans can use a championship as a “feel good” thing for awhile

but to say a season with like 12 or 13 wins and a 5,000 yard/50 TD QB and making the AFCCG isn’t entertaining, and is, in fact, some kind of “failure” (which it seems to be for you and some others) then perhaps you should find another interest that doesn’t leave you feeling empty if/when your chosen team DOESN’T win it all

Berserker
Berserker

Kinda weird that I keep up with the Chiefs all this time, if their Championshipless years “leave me feeling empty.” It’s kinda like that couldn’t be farther from the truth, obviously.

On the other hand, I do think that the Chiefs’ Championshipless years have left you and other fans too wussed out to even dare to hope for better.

And then on top of that, wussy fans try to convince other fans to join them in not hoping for Championships, just so they don’t feel so alone in their wussiness.

Try to enjoy both the journey AND the arrival, you’ll feel much better about both things then.

sydenham
sydenham

I’m echoing a point made by others: it takes most CBs a couple of years to adjust to the pro game. PP is a seasoned vet of established high quality. The Cards are rebuilding and likely could use the cap space. I would think a 2nd rounder could get the deal done. If they want a 1st rounder then I’d want a 5th or 6th back. Under these terms I’d do it in a heartbeat.

Team Player
Team Player

Greedy people here. The only two teams that have close to a dynasty the past 30 years are Pittsburgh and New England. There have been many more than 2 transcendent QB’s over that period. Some of those never got a ring. Having the best QB is not anything close to a guarantee of making the playoffs much less winning it all. Go all-in. If it doesn’t work, blow it up and try again.

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

No personal offense to you, but I think your take is stupid. PMII is more than transcendent: if he continues to grow and build on what he did last year over the course of his career, he’s arguably the best to ever play the game. And we’ve seen that having a HOF coach matched up with a HOF QB has been a recipe for a dynasty in the past. The Chiefs have Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes for the next decade: it’s dynasty or bust.

The “all in” approach to the detriment of the future is how you end up like the Broncos. It’s good to win one Superbowl, but it’s much, much, much better to win six.

Team Player
Team Player

And no offense to you but I think you’re counting your chickens before they hatch.

Berserker
Berserker

I just don’t get why we can’t have both.

This year and next year, we have Mahomes for cheap. For the next fifteen years or more after that, we’ll be paying him market value.

That’s two distinctly different scenarios. One scenario is from now until Mahomes’ first big cap hit, and the next is after Mahomes’ first big cap hit.

So I’m wondering, why can’t we try to win Superbowls in BOTH situations?

Seems like everybody is treating it all one way, or all the other. Either we’re all-in forever; or we’re behaving like Mahomes already has a huge cap hit. Why? Why does it have to be all one or the other?

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

You can. You definitely can. But assuming you have control of your draft picks for 4-5 years, you have at least 2-3 of those years that overlap with “post-big-contract Mahomes”. So when you’re talking about giving up those years that impact our long-term (3+ years from now) success in exchange for short-term success with Patrick Peterson, I’m going to be skeptical.

The way to be in “win now” and “win later” mode is two-fold. First, we have to draft impact starters. It remains to be seen if this has happened this year, but that’s the goal. Secondly, regarding free agency, we have to do what we’ve done with Sammy Watkins and Honey Badger: sign free agents with good to great upside, but leave ourselves with an out after 2 years so we have options by the time Mahomes gets paid.

Trading our potential to have rookie-contract players in the future is by its very nature choosing the 2 “pre-Mahomes-contract” years over the 10-15 “post-Mahomes-contract” years.

Berserker
Berserker

Then you don’t believe at all in the “cheap franchise QB” model, that got Seattle a Championship?

Because if you back up the building plan 4-5 years, then you are automatically ignoring the advantage of a rookie QB contract. And not just a rookie QB contract, but any team-friendly rookie contract.

Basically, you are being too afraid of future failure to attempt to succeed in the present.

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

I think the Seattle model of taking advantage of a rookie QB can get you a championship (though it’s no guarantee, you can still run out of luck at game time: see exhibit A, the LA Rams); I’m not sure that it can get you a dynasty without a better QB.

I just think that you build long-term in the draft, short-term in free agency. If we sign high-dollar players in FA to short-term contracts, great. That’s taking advantage of our rookie QB’s contract window. But trading away long-term assets in exchange for those short-term impact players is the very definition of neglecting the future for the present. It might work to get you a championship (and it might not), but it definitely won’t allow you to have long-term success.

Berserker
Berserker

Of course you can run out of luck. That’s just a given. I mean, it’s not like there is such a thing as a sure thing in a game, that would mean it’s no longer a game.

Without a better QB, eh? Well, Mahomes is a better QB.

Anyway, the point of taking advantage of a QB’s rookie contract isn’t to make a dynasty. That would be impossible, since a rookie contract is only 4-5 years long…

So, I think I didn’t make my point well enough. Two different scenarios:
1. Rookie contract, short term scenario, will probably never happen again (or at least not for another 35 years), so take advantage of it NOW, or never.
2. Dynasty, built around an elite QB and proper management of draft and salary cap, can start any time you have an elite QB, and extends for as long as you have that elite QB…

Two scenarios, short term and long term. We are potentially in both simultaneously right now. But, short term will end soon (thus the term “short term”), while long term can continue for another 15 years.

Another 15 years, that’s enough time to recover from one traded draft pick, don’t you think?

Don’t fuck up a great opportunity just because you’re worried about fucking up a good opportunity.

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

What do you mean by “taking advantage of” though? Again, my core contention is that trading future draft picks to try to maximize the short-term window ends up hurting you in the long-term window. You can still take advantage of the short-term window through FA and trading up/down in the current draft to get the “NFL-ready” players.

Berserker
Berserker

I mean by acquiring a higher ratio of vets:rookies than you would if your elite QB was getting paid an elite salary.

When you say use FA specifically for “x,” and use the draft specifically for “y,” you are speaking in ideal terms. Ideally, I’d agree. But realistically, the vet players who could best help us won’t always be available in free agency…

Artificially limiting yourself with absolute rules, not considering exceptions for specific situations – that approach leads to inefficiency and waste, in the long term.

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

You might be right. But I haven’t had much chance to legitimately expect greatness from the Chiefs in my lifetime. And so I intend to drink all the kool-aide while we’ve got a 50 TD, 5000 yd, MVP QB. It may be too early to crown Patrick Mahomes as the GOAT, but unlike any other Chiefs QB in my lifetime, I can realistically say that he could get there.

ArrowheadRed
ArrowheadRed

And no offense to you, but Mahomes is all the way out of the egg. We can’t even compare this guy to ANY previous Chiefs QB, he’s so obviously above the levels of play any of them were on while wearing red and gold. Not only did Mahomes smash the Chiefs single season TD record by 20 (30+20) in his first season of play, but he had a season nearly identical with 8th year Tom Brady. Tom Brady had HOF Randy Moss that year. Randy scored 23 TDs on 1500 yards. Yes, the season where Tom went 16-0, that’s what Mahomes just did in his first season of playing games in the NFL with worse coaches, poorer receivers, and a worse O line.

RDD India
RDD India

Nope. I wouldn’t give up first or second. Third? Yes please. Don’t sell future for now.

MasterBlaster7
MasterBlaster7

You wouldn’t give up a 2nd for PP? Thats just tarded.

Fire_FG_the_moron
Fire_FG_the_moron

RIP Coach Gunther Cunningham.

CHIEFSandSABRES

Sad day. His defenses were always fun to watch.

Fire_FG_the_moron
Fire_FG_the_moron

Veach,
Dont be Elway and sell your soul to Satan just to win A SB. Invest and win many SBs without risking the cap going into the pit of misery.

Sincerely,

The Kingdom

KCChef
KCChef

” Dilly, Dilly ! ” … : )

MasterBlaster7
MasterBlaster7

Well..we would have him for at least 2 years….2 superbowls. I think I would give up the 1st…..but I would want a mid pick back from the Cardinals.

Team Player
Team Player

Got to win one before you can win multiple.

MasterBlaster7
MasterBlaster7

with PP we would win multiple.

upamtn

that’s what people thought about sooooooooooooo many players the team has had in the past … “this is our ticket to the Super Bowl!” … ummmmmmmmm nope, not yet

Berserker
Berserker

Well, Mahomes is our ticket to the Superbowl. Peterson would just increase the odds.

Jdklks
Jdklks

First of all, there is no reason we can’t get PP AND win multiple SBs. Also, fuck that, it’s been 50…FIFTY…fucking years. Yes, sell your goddamn soul and anything else you have to sell to win one.

stjoechief
stjoechief

I want a dynasty now that the franchise QB is in place. That means quality, low cost starters at most positions. And that means drafting well. Not a fan of giving up draft capital for expensive veterans.

Savagerider
Savagerider

Patrick peterson is one of the best corners in the league and is only 11 million a year. I would def give up a 2nd round or 3rd round for Peterson a proven talent thats cheap compared other corners of his caliber over hopes that whonwe get at that position in draft will be as good as him

stjoechief
stjoechief

I doubt they can get him for less than a first.

MasterBlaster7
MasterBlaster7

Its ok….Veach HATE’S 1sts’….He knows you can’t screw up a 1st if you don’t have a 1st……….officer thinking.

BleedingRedAndGold

Veach hates Rd. 1 picks? Why, because he traded one away? A single data point isn’t exactly a trend.

Leaf
Leaf

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Berserker
Berserker

Not yet.

That means quality, low cost starters at most positions.

That time is coming, but it’s not here yet. KC still has two years of cheap Mahomes left. They’d be damned idiots to waste those years.

And, for what it’s worth, Clark said in an interview a few days ago that he and the entire organization are well aware of the advantage that they have in these next two years.

ElPasoJason
ElPasoJason

I hope the pick up of Breeland as an upgrade over Nelson and the scheme chabge will help us.

I am optimistic that it will.

P-Squared would be a bad ass addition though.

MasterBlaster7
MasterBlaster7

the scheme cabage? Awesome.
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ChiefArrowhead
ChiefArrowhead

That scheme is a head above others. I’ll just leaf now.

MasterChief
MasterChief

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Kim Jong Pete
Kim Jong Pete

I’m the king of the mercy f***!

CHIEFSandSABRES

I would suspect the “insert any contributors name here” should be on the Chiefs radar. You are correct we are in Super Bowl or bust mode, so Peterson makes sense. Just depends on what Arizona wants back in return.

MasterBlaster7
MasterBlaster7

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KCChef
KCChef

The ” Bob’s Burgers ” Voice kinda kills this humor / show a little for me …

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

No, they’re not. Now I can go back read the article. 🙂

01lowbird

But should they be?

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

To me, it depends on the price. I think a 1st round pick is too much to give up for a limited window, but there’s no doubt that PP would improve significantly on our CB group. And next year, with Fuller and Breeland potentially both gone, we definitely need to figure out something (I would have liked to see us get some high upside guys this year at CB so we had a contingency plan). I also happen to think that LB is a bigger concern than CB this year, so that colors my opinion on trading for any CB.

TLDR; I wouldn’t be upset if we landed Patrick Peterson, but I don’t think that it’s necessary given other needs that I perceive as more important for this year.

CHIEFSandSABRES

I’d suspect us drafting a Corner with the 32nd pick next year.

MasterBlaster7
MasterBlaster7

hitchens will be fine at mlb….same as he did in dallas in a 4-3

tsv0728
tsv0728

I’m with you. PP would be a great piece to add to the team. A 1st is too high. To build a team long term, you have to have those 1sts. Getting 4-5 cheap years from at least two starter level players per year is just too critical to team building, and the 1st rd is where you are going to find most of those starter level players. PP is cheap right now, would he demand a new contract post trade? That has to be a part of the conversation too.

Berserker
Berserker

A limited window….. well, if you draft a player with that 1st round pick, you already have a window. Four years, plus maybe a 5th year option if he deserves it.

Peterson’s current contract goes through this year and next.

So, which window do you want – four years of somebody who might be good? Or two years of somebody who definitely is really good?

Slayer0810
Slayer0810

FIFY: window of four five years

I get your point, and if it were only the money (i.e. if PP were a FA), I’d be all over that bandwagon. It’s the idea of giving up additional draft capital that makes me concerned for the future.

Berserker
Berserker

Nope. “maybe a 5th year option if he deserves it.” Key word being “if.”

You have too much faith in how good our future drafted players are going to be.

And so you put too much importance on draft picks. Draft picks don’t do a damned bit of good until they are turned into players. Well, Patrick Peterson is a player.

Berserker
Berserker

Oh, and, if PP were a FA…. so, have you looked at PP’s contract situation?

CHIEFSandSABRES

If they feel he can come in and help win a Superbowl, and won’t derail our long term dynasty building, then yes they should be.

Berserker
Berserker

Would be about a $10.6 million cap hit this year, about $12.5 million next year, and then his contract ends after next season.

upamtn

unless the team is spending less than a 1st (a 2nd? yeah, maybe) AND can ink him to a bit longer contract than 2 years (for not much more money) then the guy is not worth having … IMO

Berserker
Berserker

Peterson is already 28. Keeping him for two more years would be just about perfect, since CBs tend to decline relatively fast after age 30.

So, as far as Peterson vs a draft pick –
A 1st round draft pick is somebody who we HOPE can play at a Prime Marcus Peters level for 2-3 years, after his rookie orientation, and before he gets expensive. That probably won’t happen – most 1st round draft picks are merely good, not great. And the odds get progressively worse after the 1st round.
On the other hand, Patrick Peterson is somebody we KNOW can play at a Prime Marcus Peters level for 2 inexpensive years, barring injury or holdout.

So, tell me again how the draft pick is the better value.