What If The Chiefs Cut Tyreek Hill: A Fanpost

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A Fanpost by stjoechief:

The whole Tyreek Hill situation sucks pond scum.  No one except those directly involved know whether Hill did anything wrong or even whether any child abuse or neglect occurred.  Without direct knowledge of what, if anything, happened I am of the opinion that the whole thing was an attempt by some disgruntled person to sabotage Hill’s contract extension. This is based purely on the timing of the complaints and the fact that Hill was mentioned in the first report but not in the second. The Chiefs and the NFL are rightly holding off on any action until the investigation is complete. So my hope and expectation is that nothing will happen and Tyreek will get his extension done, just a little later than it would have been otherwise.

BUT…

There is always the chance that Hill really was a party to endangering a child or that the investigation leaves some doubt about it.  Depending on how damning the final report is, he could face a suspension, time on the infamous “Commissioner’s Exempt List,” or even be cut by the Chiefs.  And while such actions might be fully justified, and even necessary, from a football standpoint it would hurt. A lot. The combination of Mahomes and Hill gives the Chiefs’ offense the capability to score on any play from any position on the field.

We saw it repeatedly last year and nothing Brett Veach could do at this point can fully replace that.  Mahomes will be all right even without Hill’s elite talent, but the offense wouldn’t be as explosive. I hope the front office is making contingency plans to mitigate the loss of Hill’s services, just in case.  So here are some things that I think may result from the possibility of losing Tyreek Hill.

  1. Everyone needs to pray for the health of Sammy Watkins.  Watkins isn’t Hill, but he’s fast, runs great routes, has good hands, and is a great YAC guy.  He’s the closest thing to a Hill replacement for 2019 that the Chiefs are going to get. We all know about his injury history.  So if you’re Protestant, say a prayer. If you’re Catholic, light a candle. If you practice Voodoo, sacrifice a rooster. Whatever it takes to get some positive mojo going.
  2. The Chiefs may spend some of the money designated for Hill on a free agent wide receiver.  The pickings are pretty slim at this point (Michael Crabtree anyone?) but a veteran addition of some sort would likely be needed.  This might have been in their plans already but I would have expected something before now if it was.
  3. The defense will have to get better fast.  Right now, on paper the defensive personnel situation looks worse than last year.  Any falloff in offensive production will require the defense to step up. And without Hill I foresee at least a few games in which the offense scores less than 26 points.  There are still pieces that will be added so the roster we see today won’t be the roster on opening day. But Steve Spagnuolo may be under more pressure than he anticipated when he took the defensive coordinator job.
  4. The Chiefs’ draft strategy may change.  I can’t see them taking a wide receiver in the first round, but they might feel the need to spend one of their second round picks on a vertical threat with good hands.  That doesn’t reduce the need for help on defense; I hope they come away with at least two potential starting defensive players in the first two rounds. But it may mean they keep all three of their top picks this year, which could limit Veach’s ability to trade up.
  5. The Chiefs would become very hesitant to bring in any player with a history of violence.  Losing Kareem Hunt and Tyreek Hill in rapid succession over off the field violence would likely leave a very bad taste in Clark Hunt’s mouth.  I doubt he would allow any more risky players to be brought in for a long time.
  6. The Cleveland Browns would move closer to being a Super Bowl team. If the Chiefs cut Tyreek Hill, you know John Dorsey will sign him to a cheap contract as soon as he possibly can.  Baker Mayfield throwing to OBJ and the Cheetah with Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt in the backfield would be almost as tough as the Chiefs’ 2018 offense.  I would not want to meet them in the playoffs.

If I had to bet right now, I would bet that Tyreek Hill is a Chief for the 2019 season and he continues to be the biggest weapon (at 5’ 10”) in Patrick Mahomes’ arsenal.  But I’m a Chiefs fan, so I can never really be surprised by having the rug pulled out from under my hopes and dreams for this team. No one knows what is going to happen but those of us who have been around long enough have a piece of our consciousness, however small, that always expects the worst.  Because Chiefs. So to finish on a brighter note, here’s that fourth and 9 play from the Ravens game:

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legal_kush
legal_kush

This pot moves to the front burner…

KCChef
KCChef

I’m Praying to a Lit Rooster …

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dablueguy
dablueguy

Unless Tyreek is banned for life from the NFL, I don’t want the Chiefs cutting him, like they stupidly did to Kareem. If he can play in the NFL at some point, if let’s say bad stuff comes down, and he’s suspended for a period, when that period is up, I want him to play for the Chiefs, not somewhere else.

legal_kush
legal_kush

“stupidly?”

upamtn

regardless of how the Hill thing turns out, the Chiefs should stay far, far away from players with “issues” … period

Panzer85
Panzer85

What if…
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Spider
Spider

If there were anything to this, Hill would be in jail already. Anyone can trigger an investigation for anything or nothing…and the state will keep the reporter secret, even if they conclude the report was specifically made to target an innocent person.

If Veach cuts Hill a year after Hunt over mere accusations, I’ll fly the banners over the stadium myself.

StramtoReid
StramtoReid

If the Chiefs cut Hill, Watkins become the No: 1, and we have to find a # 2 Receiver. Hopefully we find out before the draft.

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

if Hill is cut, bye bye Superbowl. without a doubt.

upamtn

disagree …

WR’s are similar to RB’s … easily available

BDChiefsFan
BDChiefsFan

WRs are available. but someone who has gamebreaking speed and good tracking? not easy to find. i think we will be good in the long run, but our SB window while the QB is still cheap will be shrinking very quickly.

Enite
Enite

What’s up Ups! I don’t know man. WR aren’t as plug and play, especially in Andy’s system.

hmills110
hmills110

I kinda think the same way, usually. It’s nice to win the 1-on-1s, especially outside, where it’s hardest to give help and be sound in other ways (a Knight on the rim is grim) but in this league, it’s really tough for a D to have winning matchups at all 5 eligible-receiver spots. And when you look at it that way, you’re more interested in great hands, zero drops, and positional and situational awareness. The more mismatches, the better, of course, but a good QB in a well-run WCO is gonna get his shots. And any time Mahomes breaks contain, the whole equation changes in favor of the offense.

TBH, I’ve got a weather eye peeled for some OL talent. That’s the edge I want to see, this year, start asserting itself. They let Morse go without fanfare. There’s a 3rd-round comp pick, there, maybe. But nobody’s talking about who’s playing C this year. I would’ve preferred a more assertive OL, last season, personally. Yeah, Mahomes can cope, but I think he’ll develop good rapport and be a huge draw in UDFA.

legal_kush
legal_kush

Apparently, with Hill, it was bye bye Super Bowl last year… for certain. But that is hindsight.

Berserker
Berserker

I wouldn’t mind drafting Parris Campbell, if we can pull that off and still get a couple good defensive starters. As a somebody who had a draftcrush on Michael Thomas once, I do buy into the narrative that Urban’s scheme (and preferred QB type) tends to obscure WR talent.

01lowbird

Well he definitely has the top end speed and some elite quickness to be a fair comp.
Also his route running isn’t worth much so that adds to the Hill comp.
Hill has naturally better hands imo and tracks the ball better.
Im curious where Campbell goes, if he ends up in KC and Hill stays as well…… that’s a LOT of speed on the field.

Berserker
Berserker

Looks like he’s NFL.com’s 24th ranked prospect, 3rd ranked WR: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/parris-campbell?id=32194341-4d23-0411-19c3-b6e460708ae9

Actually reminds me a lot of a young Jeremy Maclin.

BleedingRedAndGold

With forearms like he’s packin’, I’m not surprised that Hill’s got great hands. He must have some next-level grip strength going on there.

Leaf
Leaf

and tracks the ball better.

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Berserker
Berserker

Actually though, I don’t think we’re gonna find a WR who tracks the ball as well as Hill. If we did, then…well, that WR would probably be named Michael Thomas and currently under contract to the Saints.

Probably not a realistic comparison, there.

01lowbird

Another WR that KC should look at (value pick) is Penny Hart from Georgia State.
Average Pro day but tape shows WR with dynamic short area quickness and can actually run some routes. Hes not the top end burner Campbell is but again value is the thought here.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

So more like a “refined” DAT?

01lowbird

LOL DAT was never a WR, and it showed.
But sure.

hmills110
hmills110

He had some traits, but my guess is his standard deviation from play to play was too large. Alex would under- and over-throw him and just kind of went away from even trying.

hmills110
hmills110

Dat had legit speed. You just couldn’t tell, with Hill on the team. I just never saw DAT really get a connection when he was running flat out. He had one good one from Foles or Bray that was badly underthrown and he came back and went up for it. Alex sure couldn’t seem to put the ball on him beyond 5 or 10 yards.

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

Every time I do a mock draft in the machine I take Hart and Love in the 6th

Berserker
Berserker

You romantic.

ChiefUdall
ChiefUdall

Nothing to do with cutting Hill or his replacement, I want a stud slot guy.

Berserker
Berserker

We haven’t seen Mahomes really play that kind of short-game yet (maybe he did at Tech).

But I think that Mahomes and a precision route runner, working with Andy Reid’s playbook, could absolutely murder the League.

It’s cool to think that as effective as Mahomes was last season, he’s probably not even used half of the skills and tactics that vet NFL QBs use yet.

hmills110
hmills110

Seems like his short game is fine, but he’s not going short until he’s exhausted his possibilities of going farther down the field. We all kind of forgive the switch from Captain Checkdown, but I’d like to see a smidge more ball-control passing, and some longer drives.

Trigrumps
Trigrumps

I think Terry McClaurin is actually the better prospect. I think he might end up being the best wr in this draft.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Marquis Brown could drop to round 2 also

Berserker
Berserker

Good point, I haven’t looked at him much, but seems to be a lot of the same kinds of things being written about him as were written about Thomas.

BleedingRedAndGold

I pretty much agree with your take on Hill, St. Joe. Nobody in the general public knows much, in spite of all the people hurling themselves to conclusions based on something completely dissimilar that happened a few years ago. The general reactions that followed the “breaking story” (which was long on implications but short on facts), with so many rushing to condemn him to life in prison without possibility of parole, plus cancer, tells me that someone making an iffy accusation in hopes of ruining his big contract is completely plausible.

The sheer venom contained within the mad rush to condemn him demonstrates how many have been waiting for the first opportunity to take him down, presumably because those people think he needs more punishment, possibly to the point where he faces a future of destitution. There’s nothing Just about wanting someone to be punished forever and without letup, not when the misconduct in question was far less egregious than some of the misconduct by some police in recent memory – who faced even lesser punishment than Hill did, because “back the blue”.

The people who piled on Hill while talking out their asses are not nice people. I’d rather wait and see.

starry1
starry1

I dunno. I’m one of the biggest Reek haters around and I’m waiting to see what the cops do first.

Berserker
Berserker

This could be true….

…presumably because those people think he needs more punishment,…

But I tend to think otherwise. I think it’s less to do with Hill, and more to do with how those people feel about their own selves.

See, I tend to think that most of the people who’ve already made up their minds about this, have done so because they hate having been wrong in what they said about Hill way back when he was drafted. They probably mostly want to not feel like they were wrong. And yes, I realize just how shitty it would be for a person to kinda tangentially welcome news of child abuse just so they can stop feeling like they had a wrong opinion once…but then, there are quite a few shitty people.

Of course that doesn’t apply to everybody, Starry for prime example. But I’m sure that it does apply to a few, like some at the KC Star.

BleedingRedAndGold

While I basically agree with what you are saying, and agree that it’s a factor in play, I’m also pretty sure that the bulk of the pilers-on wouldn’t admit that’s what’s driving their behavior, not even to themselves.

As for Starry, since TTBOMK they haven’t piled on Hill over this, they aren’t covered by my rant. And even if they had, but have since repented of it, they wouldn’t be covered. It’s the people who refuse(d) to let go of the issue after he was drafted, even though he’s stayed out of trouble.

Berserker
Berserker

Agreed. Except for the acronym. I generally hate acronyms, and refuse to cooperate with them by trying to figure them out. I believe they are not just a sign, but a cause of the decline of our civilization, and as proof of that I will point out that acronyms are beloved by TMZ and 6-Sigma acolytes.

BleedingRedAndGold

Ah, but my use of one for “to the best of my knowledge” predates both of those, or at least predates either becoming widely-known, as it dates from back where usenet was the place to find discussions of various sorts, before web-fora took over the task, but with a highly moderated approach.

And that still leaves open the question if you object to other acronyms, like laser, taser, maser, radar and sonar, to name just a few. 😉

Berserker
Berserker

If the acronym is older than me, then it’s fine. If you’ve managed to make it to my age, then you’ve probably become a Word.

hmills110
hmills110

I think you mean pre-dates. Predates means you hunt and kill something.

starry1
starry1

Well I did say I’d leave him alone if he completed his probation cleanly. Still hate his guts, but I’ve laid off him.

hmills110
hmills110

He still strikes me as one of those people who get pushed too far, blow up, and then have to take anger-management classes, when maybe they need to have stronger armor against people who fight with words and otherwise poke the bear. My older brother is one of those guys that people just like to pick on, because he’s not good at defending himself, verbally. Gets bullied. Blows up. Then he’s in trouble.

But I could be wrong. Just don’t think Hill is naturally aggressive so much as he’s not super socially skilled. A pussycat around gentle people. I can easily imagine an aggressive woman talking rings around him and pushing his buttons, relentlessly, because she can. Many women are highly skilled in psychological warfare, and are ruthless in waging it. I see enough of the signs in the guy to reserve some of my judgement.

Mitko
Mitko

This was worse than the April fools joke. I read ” Chiefs Cut Tyreek Hill” and my heart sank

Armychiefj
Armychiefj

Yep. Exact same reaction. Then I saw the “what if” and my heart still hasn’t recovered yet

Enite
Enite

Ouch. I didn’t believe the Murray and Ogbah trade until the 2nd.

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

Totally missed a chance to present this as the aftermath of a cut. What an April Fool’s that would have been!

Great analysis- much of it remains true even as Hill is still a Chief

stjoechief
stjoechief

Sorry the gifs don’t seem to be working.

Berserker
Berserker

I see ’em, and my work firewall usually blocks stuff like that.