Morning Huddle – Who is the biggest NFL draft bust in Chiefs history?

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Who is the biggest NFL draft bust in Chiefs history? | Chiefs Wire

“Taken 26th overall in the 2011 draft after a nice career at Pitt, Baldwin missed his first preseason after a wrist injury suffered in a locker room fight with teammate Thomas Jones. He caught just 41 passes for 579 yards and two touchdowns with the Chiefs before he was traded to the 49ers for wide receiver A.J. Jenkins — the rare high-profile football move that did nothing for either team. Baldwin caught three passes for 28 yards for San Francisco in 2013 and was waived in August 2014. He failed a physical with the Lions, and that was that.”

Here’s an overtime compromise that is sure to never be considered | Yahoo Sports

The Chiefs’ proposal to adjust overtime to ensure that both teams get a possession even if the first team to possess the ball scores a touchdown absolutely should be adopted. Two of the last three seasons have seen the Patriots win a coin toss in a championship-level game, drive the length of the field, score a touchdown, and walk off a winner — while the current league MVP (Matt Ryan in 2016 and Patrick Mahomes in 2018) — had to sit and watch it all happen.

Chiefs continue to attend pro days ahead of 2019 NFL draft | Chiefs Wire

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The Chiefs sent a contingent of coaches to the Boston College pro day. Defensive line coach Brendan Daly went to BC specifically to 
work out defensive end Zach Allen. Allen stood on his numbers from the combine, but was available for on-field workouts and interviews with multiple teams. It appears the Chiefs are taking great interest in guys who project as both DT/DE combinations in the NFL.

Chiefs HC Andy Reid opens up about recent veteran departures | Chiefs Wire

“I wish them the best of luck. These are three guys that helped build what we are today. They taught these young guys the right way of doing things. And so I’ll be forever grateful them, plus they’re good guys.”

The impact that Houston, Ford, and Berry had on the Chiefs’ roster won’t be easily forgotten. Young players like Breeland Speaks, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Eric Murray, Jordan Lucas, and Daniel Sorensen have all seen how the recently departed stars prepare and work. They’ll have to step up in the absence of these former Chiefs greats.

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If you're curious about Clark, watch him against Smith/Whitworth and other elite tackles. Most guys get worked over against them. Clark does not.

(side note: I have not reviewed him against @MitchSchwartz71 yet. We'll see, he erases everyone else lol)

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If you're curious about Clark, watch him against Smith/Whitworth and other elite tackles. Most guys get worked over against them. Clark does not.

(side note: I have not reviewed him against @MitchSchwartz71 yet. We'll see, he erases everyone else lol)

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Simtex
Simtex

Tarkus

DAMMIT!

Wait, who?

Simtex
Simtex
Berserker
Berserker

Championship.

Simtex
Simtex

BV is just clearing cap space boys. Big signing incoming.

Tarkus

Clearing room for Allen Bailey.

Simtex
Simtex

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Anthony Stratton

Thanks Barb.

Tarkus
Cheat Code
Cheat Code

Need for Mahomes to get all those endorsement deals and media paychecks so maybe he’ll cut us a break on that massive contract he’s gonna get. A guy can dream.

upamtn

so, back to “standard posting” and ditching the scrollbar … right then, I like it

yes to new OT rules

no, Gronk was NOT the “best TE ever”

yes Baldwin sucked – RB Mark Ingram, DE Cameron Heyward, T Derek Sherrod, QB Andy Dalton, DE Da’Quan Bowers, DB Rahim Moore, LB Akeem Ayers – just some of the names the Chiefs COULD have taken instead of Baldwin – what a waste of a 1st Round pick

Simtex
Simtex

upamtn

… and we’re surprised?

Berserker
Berserker

I’d like to get a Tre Boston.

Tarkus

There are no draft busts before 2017, because everything prior to that led up to drafting Patrick Mahomes.

Discuss.

upamtn

congratulations, you have won the internet for a day … I mean an hour … I mean 5 minutes

Berserker
Berserker

Looks like Zach Allen is projected around the end of the first round, beginning of the second. That is way too high for an Allen Bailey replacement, considering this team’s other needs.

CJ_Spiller
CJ_Spiller

I’m seeing Allen more like late 2nd early 3rd.

Berserker
Berserker

That’d seem more likely. I just looked at Walter and CBS.

upamtn

I’d have zero issue with Veach even trading up and getting some beast for the DL

Berserker
Berserker

Yeah, that’d be great. But Allen seems like a one dimensional player, run stopper only. An actual beast needs to do it all.

Anthony Stratton

Allen is no Bailey.

Berserker
Berserker

Biggest draft bust is not drafting Aaron Rodgers.

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

That’s the Dolly Parton of the draft.

Berserker
Berserker

Well I assumed Blackledge was already taken.*

*about three rounds before he should’ve been

Anthony Stratton

Not Stephenson over Wilson?

Simtex
Simtex

Why does it seem like local KC media hates the Chiefs?

Did Andy and Clark revoke press passes?

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

If they didn’t, they should have. Don’t have to be a homer, but you should be professional

Berserker
Berserker

The Star would sell their own collective mother for clicks at this point. And the rest of the media, well, they tend to stick together when us proles question any of their members’ integrity or work practices.

Anthony Stratton

Thats been a bigger issue to me than the clickbait headlines. The people stepping up to defend this crap is unsettling, but knowing the landscape of Chiefs media these days better than I ever did before, I also almost understand it.

The Chiefs limit access to the team so hardcore that anyone without credentials wipes the asses of anyone with credentials. Seems like these are the kinda stories you’d want to distance yourself from tho…

Anthony Stratton

Bullshit gets clicks.

Anthony Stratton

Biggest bust? Could we say the draft pick we gave up for Herm?

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

Yeah. Anyone could have torn the team down. At least it’s the Raiders in that position now

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

Biggest draft bust is the second round. Pretty much everyone after Tim Grunhard has been subpar. Certainly taken as a collective

Leaf
Leaf

Chris Jones begs to differ

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

There are outliers, granted. But if you list ALL of the second rounders a few diamonds don’t remove the stench of all the crap

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/kan/draft.htm

Anthony Stratton

Its been bad.

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

(I was actually surprised by how many times the Chiefs didn’t have a second rounder)

Tarkus

Why do you hate Mitch Morse?

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

I don’t. He just didn’t play enough games for a 2

Tarkus

He played enough games to earn the largest contract ever for a center.

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

Valerio
Blundin
Bennett
Tongue
Lockett
Cloud
Bartee
Freeman
Kawika
Siavii
Kris Wilson
Pollard
McBride
Flowers
McCluster
Arenas
Hudson
Allen
Morse
Jones
K-Pass
Speaks

Not a good batting average

KC_SunDevil
KC_SunDevil

And that doesn’t include Vermeil Cassell smith and other trades

Leaf
Leaf

While not great, especially earlier on, I’m not seeing it as bad as you. Starting with the Pollard pick, we got a solid to good contributor about 50% the time (FYI, I don’t count the latest two as the jury is still out). Considering the draft is a crap shoot regardless of round, I’m curious what the percentage is for other teams.

upamtn

Rodney Hudson???

Nasrani
Nasrani

Blackledge, Baldwin, Trezelle Jenkins…

ChiefsF8hful
ChiefsF8hful

Blackledge would have been my pick. What really made Blackledge the Chiefs’ biggest draft bust is that Dan Marino was still on the board when we selected him.

Simtex
Simtex

*Suggestion* on Twitter feed.

It may be better if it could be on the side of the page and not on top. Or perhaps even on the front landing page on the side where old stories are currently now.

Simtex
Simtex

Simtex
Simtex

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater

Come on pats!!! Sign him.

Tarkus

I’d gladly take him back on a reasonable deal.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater

I’d rather a one year 8 mill deal than a 2 year 8 mill deal. He’s the definition of contract year player.

Cheat Code
Cheat Code

Still want to draft a Dlineman or two in this loaded class. Any deal should be short term for Bailey to make sense.

vvet818
vvet818

#1: Blackledge
#2: Blackledge
Ad nauseam: Blackledge

Big Chief
Big Chief

To be fair I’m not sure Blackledge had a chance with the Chiefs. I honestly believe that most coaching staffs don’t know how to teach a young QB how to succeed in the NFL. Out of all the coaches KC has had, the only ones I would would have trusted to develop a QB were Stram (though he didn’t really prove it), Marty, Vermeil, and Reid. I don’t think the rest of them could make a QB work who wasn’t inherently an elite player. I think Blackledge could have been a decent game manager with good coaching, but he never got that.

I went and checked, and was shocked to see he had a winning record as a Chiefs starting QB. Not many other KC QBs can say that. He was just drafted way too early, and by a team that didn’t have the ability to develop him.

And he’s not to blame for Carl Peterson not picking a QB. That was Carl’s mentality. Go watch the Chiefs hard knocks and listen to him talk to Herm about playing a rookie QB. Carl had no interest in having a rookie (or inexperienced) QB starting for him. And that’s why we went all those years under him without a rookie QB.

MasterBlaster7
MasterBlaster7

Hey guys…finally got my laptop fixed…miss me? haha.

Yah, Blackledge wasn’t a bust in and of himself. It was the titanic fuck up by management not to take Marino or Kelly. I’d take Blackledge over Croyle or Cassel.

Berserker
Berserker

“Decent game manager” is a bust label, for a top-ten drafted QB. Especially when Marino and Kelly were both available.

Big Chief
Big Chief

For draft busts, I think Trezelle Jenkins may be the worst I can recall. First round OT. I really thought the Chiefs scouting staff stunk at picking linemen under Carl. I still can’t believe Tait worked out as good as he did. But Jenkins never did anything in the league, and was on the Chiefs as long as he was just because he was a 1st and I don’t think Carl was going to let him go if there was any possibility of him working out (there wasn’t).
Two years with the Chiefs, and never on an active roster again, but got a couple of training camp looks.

Big Chief
Big Chief

I guess I’d have to go with a tie between Baldwin and Jenkins.

CHIEFSandSABRES

MP22, horrible Chiefs draft pick.

workingmansdead

2/10 troll job

CHIEFSandSABRES

Dang I was going for at least a 5!

Leaf
Leaf

Yeah that asshole never gave us a single good year. Such a bum.

CHIEFSandSABRES

So bad we HAD to trade him!

Simtex
Simtex

Simtex
Simtex

For those who haven’t heard about this. The rule change “gives a team a fourth-and-15 alternative to an onside kick.”

Just imagine if we never had to put on defense on the field a 1/3 of the times last year! lol

Tarkus

I believe the rule change only allows teams to do it once, in the 4th quarter.

irafreak
irafreak

Those are great odds! Something closer to 4th and 25 might be closer to the inside kick.

NovaChiefs
NovaChiefs

Do not kick the ball insides! You’ll break the lamp.

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater

I typically only consider 1st and 2nd rounders to be able to have the bust label. (Tanoh Kpassangno come on down you’re the Kansas City Chiefs draft bust) But just for fun my two biggest draft busts outside of the 1st round.

2) Kairee Russel. 3rd rounder cut 3(?) games into his first season.
1) Justin medlock. Best left footed African American kicker EVER. Drafted and cut before the season started.

Simtex
Simtex

for 2 years now we have taken 2 round picks and played them outside of their natural positions. Now they’re saying the 4-3 both of these guys will be in their natural positions. I think kpass, and speaks both will be ok.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

And if K pass gets 8-10 sacks this year, your opinion will be…? (I know that’s a little far fetched, but so is the idea that he’s a bust already).

Now, if he can’t sniff the field in 2019? In a defense that everyone in the ’17 draft scouted him for? Totally different story, IMO

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater

I agree. He still has a chance. Even if he does turn around and climb out of bust status, it was still a bad 2nd round pick. 2nd round picks should be starting by year 2.

Berserker
Berserker

Has anybody outside the (former) Chiefs defensive coaching staff ever figured out why he got benched last year?

Cheat Code
Cheat Code

Has to be that the defensive staff believed Houston/Ford>>>>>Speaks>>>>>>>>>>>Kpass. I don’t know if on-field performance justified such a position, but I do notice that none of the defensive guys sans Reid are here anymore, so this is the year we’ll see.

Berserker
Berserker

Just wondered if somebody had done a fan-film review or something, tried to actually confirm that he was that bad. Because I don’t remember seeing myself, or hearing anybody else talk about seeing, why the coaches might consider him so much worse than Speaks.

Cheat Code
Cheat Code

Just watching the games last season, I’d say that Kpass made a few nice plays, but didn’t stand out enough to justify any optimism of him becoming an impact player. That was more than I could say for Speaks, who was actively bad for a lot of snaps.

I think counting on either to become productive NFL starters is wishcasting, but that’s the position we’re in pre-draft. It reminds me of the Murray situation last year, where he was a presumptive starter despite not flashing at all in previous years. We know how that went.

Anthony Stratton

If only you knew someone who ran a website with a couple film review guys…

CHIEFSandSABRES

I thought Medlock played a game or two then was cut…

KCChef
KCChef

I watched Medlock Crush a College “Pro Skills” type Kicking Challenge & was Psyched when we got him … # bigshowtoobigforhim … : (

Anthony Stratton

Why do you hate Junior Siavii?

DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater

Good one. That guy sucked

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Such a disappointment

Simtex
Simtex

workingmansdead

Damn.

Simtex
Simtex

Yeah thats just a snapshot of Tyreek young career, but if the dude can keep his nose clean off the field he may be unstoppable for a long time coming on the field.

irafreak
irafreak

Some of that depends on the type of offense being run. I mean how many screen passes did they throw his way? Tough to get 15 yards on those.

backbone313
backbone313

John Baldwin pfft Ryan Sims. Short memory span

The way Vermeil went after Sims and how he was drafted and where he was drafted… he was the Jon Baldwin of defensive tackles.

Anthony Stratton

The Vikings screwed us…

Big Chief
Big Chief

Sims was a decent player. He played 9 seasons. The problem was he was an early first rounder which meant he was immediately one of the highest paid players on the team. So he was paid like an All-Pro, and he wasn’t one. He was a decent run stuffer and that was about it. He played 9 seasons in the NFL, and that’s something to be proud of.

Baldwin lasted 3 seasons, and I think that was only because he was hurt for most of one of them. No comparison between them in my opinion.

Berserker
Berserker

Nine seasons….
He had double-digit tackles in just four, FOUR of those seasons.
Two of his double-digit tackle seasons were 2013 and 2007. He got 13 and 11 tackles in those seasons.

Nine seasons…. see here boys and girls, this right here is what what we call “spin.” WHY someone would try to spin Ryan Sims in a good light, I have no clue. But, well, here it is.