Community OutSpeech: Seth Keysor Interview Part 1/3

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Over the weekend I had a chance to catch up with Seth Keysor of the Athletic for an exclusive AG Community OutSpeech interview. With nearly an hour of high quality Q’n’A recorded, I decided to break it up into a 3 part series.

For Part 1/3 we just right into the most pressing topic on the mind’s of Chiefs fans. Tyreek Hill and the recent allegations by the KC Star.

Next on Part 2/3: The New Look Kansas City Chiefs

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tsv0728
tsv0728

Great interview. I’m sure my thoughts are covered below, so I’ll argue there if needed. Solid stuff though, and it’s always good to hear from MN.

stjoechief
stjoechief

Just had a chance to watch this. Great interview and balanced takes (as opposed to the hawt taeks circulating on social media). My bias based on what I’ve seen is to think this is a whole lot of nothing. But Seth brought up some points that make me worry a bit that there may be some basis to the reports. I’m sure anyone who has prejudged Hill to be guilty will find plenty to hate here. When both sides of a controversial topic are dissatisfied you’ve probably hit close to the mark.

pcsguy88
pcsguy88

His son broke his arm at daycare and the Chiefs know this.

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

I hope this is true. More for the kid than anything. Honestly i believe something like a parent snapping your arm at 3 years old can and will haunt you for life. Often times kids that deal with those types of things dont turn out to be great adults. Football is really secondary here. That said good for the kid is good for Chiefs football.

pcsguy88
pcsguy88

That’s the story inside the organization. Of course they could have been lied to just like Hunt, but that’s the story as of this past weekend and it seems they’ve known since before this report. Definitely not a feeling of panic.

MidKan Chiefs Lifer
MidKan Chiefs Lifer

Gotcha, hope it plays out that way.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

“Sometimes, usually, not always, and I’m not saying that’s what’s going on, but that’s what it looks like…”

Seth’s ‘lawyering’ is STRONG

4thQtrMagic
4thQtrMagic

The whole Hill thing is purely gossip, rumor, and conjecture… until some sort of proof is presented. If it turns out Hill is responsible for his son’s broken arm, I suspect there’s going to be a lot fans that sour on the Chiefs front office. (Dorsey too)

Good interview, and educating.

BleedingRedAndGold

The whole broken arm thing is so irritating. His son had a broken arm back in January, but there’s nothing to connect it to the reports. The “connection” involves assuming it exists, and some people talk about it like it was an established fact when there”s nothing to support that. I swear, if I hear someone say “Hill broke his son’s arm” much more often, I might start breaking some arms myownself. I don’t like it when people casually spread misinformation and/or disinformation with such sloppy talk.

Show me the evidence, don’t come at me with shaky justification-towers and abused “logic”.

Bean
Bean

Thanks for putting the interview together Tony. Seth always seems to be a straight shooter and makes things easy to understand.

StramtoReid
StramtoReid

I was not a long time AP subscriber, and not friendly with Seth. For the limited time I have read his comments and articles, I have been impressed with his knowledge and honesty.

I was a little disappointed with the interview, and I wanted Seth to say we have nothing to worry about, he was honest and said we need to wait and hear all the facts. I guess where I am confused, so we don’t know if the first and second police report are the same incident and the same victin?

I understand that it would be foolish for Seth to talk bad about the K.C. Star because they share information. I believe the K C. Star is acting like a
N.Y. or L .A. paper instead of a family oriented town like K C., or maybe the Star has resented the Chiefs for drafting a convicted women beater, and wants Hill driven out of town.

It is sensationalism to say Tyreek is being investigated in two incidents, Tyreek’s name is not on on the second police report. I know the Star has got a lot of news agencies and people fired up and they want Tyreek’s head on a silver platter. Tyreek is a resident of the suburbs of K C., he does community work and been a great teammate, if the Star wants stir things up, write about Robert Kraft or Tom Brady, let’s not attack K.C. or O.P residents until we have some facts.

Leaf
Leaf

They aren’t the same incident, but because there’s no name for the child in the reports, at this point there’s no way to know who the child was in either report. So technically both, one, or even neither one could be referring to Tyreek’s kid.

CHIEFSandSABRES

Great segment guys. I like the part where Seth brings up the social media stuff. I know sometimes people paint fake pictures of themselves on that stuff, but I wonder how much of what Tyreek has done in the past will be brought into account. Those pictures are only snapshots of what is really going on, but from all accounts and takes, people said he lived on there. Only time will tell and I hope everything gets sorted out for the best, for the kid.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Good stuff, Tony. I liked the take from Seth there. So many unknowns. I would guess that Veach has a contingency board for the draft in case things break badly for KC and Tyreek.

BleedingRedAndGold

I like Seth’s take, even though it was more cautious and restrained than mine. But then, he’s the lawyer, and undoubtedly has more than one reason for talking that way. The main point I differ on is that he’s left out the possibility of mistaken and/or possibly even malicious reports being. Those are unfortunate, but they do happen. As he said, there aren’t a lot of checks and balances to the CPS side of things.

Ironically, those who abuse the system to bring harm to someone else aren’t just making the children being used less safe, but other children as well, because it takes time and work away from the real cases. How common it is, I don’t know, but it’s a hell of a lot more common than SWATting, and is done pretty much for the same reason, to get the gov’t do the dirty work of taking whoever the target is down.

But I have the same bottom line as Seth; at present, we basically know squat, so we need to wait for more info to surface instead of losing our collective shit over the initial story. To which I will add that while he was very careful in talking about the article (for obvious reasons), I have no problem saying that I found the initial story to be problematic, and the details that have emerged have done nothing to shore it up. In fact, quite the opposite.

Maw423
Maw423

As recently as 3-4 years ago, the percentage of mistaken/malicious reports was about 75%.

BleedingRedAndGold

While I can’t confirm the rate’s that high, it wouldn’t surprise me as being accurate. And it isn’t outside the realm of possiblility that some SJW type couldn’t let the incident with his GF go, and was just waiting for the chance jump on something, just to “punish” him “properly” for the incident.

And now, there are undoubtedly people who will point to that incident and this report to say, “See? I knew he was a bad person, and this shows a pattern of violent behavior!”, and never let it go. Even if the initial story gets debunked entirely, there will be those saying things like “maybe they couldn’t prove it this time, but where there’s smoke, there’s fire”. Whether that’s with the intent of coming on even stronger at the next opportunity to “get” him or just a matter of hurting him with a bad-PR whispering campaign, I don’t know. Maybe it’ll just be a matter of refusing to be “wishy-washy” and admit that they were wrong when they jumped to conclusions.

This is one of the reasons that “innocent until proven guilty” is a social virtue and not just a legal one.

probablyamistake
probablyamistake

He has a history. If a person wants to be considered good and innocent, don’t do a…..le stuff. Not judging Tyreek in this current circumstance, just stating a public opinion fact.

BleedingRedAndGold

What you said about public opinion is quite true, I just disagree with it. The logic of “he’s got a record” is devoid of the concepts of forgiveness and mercy. It’s telling people that if you are convicted of something, it should haunt you for the rest of your life. That’s a never-ending punishment, on top of whatever sentence Joe Schmuckatelli completes. But that’s what “he’s got a record” does. In Hill’s case, referring to his “record” is saying that ‘once a wife-hitter, always a child abuser”, and that won’t wash any better than the Star’s implication that Hill broke his son’s arm by abusing him. And as for any “deterrent effect” argument, past a certain level of harshness, the “deterrent effect” goes down. Sentences for crack being 1,000 times harsher (I’m not exaggerating) had no noticeable effect on the so-called “epidemic”, but it sure ruined a lot of lives before they finally rolled sentences for poor people coke back to only about 100 times harsher than rich people coke. You can only intimidate people to a certain point. Past that point, they pay less and less attention to it. Hell, the whole “War on Drugs” thing is built on intimidation in hopes of deterrance. You can see how well that did with getting rid of illicit drugs. Furthermore, when they tried cracking down even harder on some of them like with heroin, the result was a mass shift to prescriptions. It’s counter-intuitive, I know, but the problem with banning something a lot of people want, like alcohol is once it’s banned, the government loses the ability to regulate it. What happens is black markets start to pop up, because where there’s a demand, there’s going to be a supplier. And since a black market operates outside legality, dangerous things start to happen, and those running the market can’t be controlled at all, because all the participants know better to call in the cops. Final point is that shutting them down individually won’t get anywhere, because supply and demand don’t go away and more of each will fill any temporary… Read more »

Maw423
Maw423

When I was a CPS investigator we had a couple reporttheir neighbor. Their neighbor didn’t even have kids. The 75% is what it was for TX at that time.

KCChef
KCChef

Nice ” End Around ” … Get MN’s In Put, Insight & Opinions W/ O :
A) Paying Him
2) Jeopardizing his Contractual Obligations to ” The Athletic ”
And Finally ) Raising a less than Subtle Middle Finger to ” Another Place ” … : )

Dave

I love your enumerating system 😆

Druful
Druful

If he only would have included “iv.) ???”. (it would have perfectly captured all commentary on AG).

Dave B.
Dave B.

I Like The Way He Uses Capital Letters…

pompano
pompano

I prefer the ” quotations marks ” , But That’s Just Me.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Reminds me of phatal

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Lol

Tony Sommer

I may be a little biased, but I prefer this interview over what Seth does on the radio. Here he has the time to really explain everything.