Morning Huddle – Dee Ford traded. Justin Houston cut. What is K.C.’s plan to fix the D?

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Dee Ford traded. Justin Houston cut. What is K.C.’s plan to fix the D? | ESPN

The Chiefs agreed to trade one-half of their edge pass-rushing combination, Dee Ford, to the San Francisco 49ers on Tuesday night. The return is a second-round draft pick, but one the Chiefs won’t get to use this year. It’s a second-round pick in 2020.

Chiefs expected to trade pass-rusher Dee Ford to 49ers | NFL.com

The Chiefs and San Francisco 49ers have agreed to a trade involving for Ford in exchange for a 2020 second-round draft pick, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported, via sources informed of the situation. NFL Network’s James Palmer reports Ford’s new contract in San Francisco is expected to be a five-year deal for $87.5 million.

Why Dee Ford trade makes sense for 49ers, but Odell Beckham deal didn’t | NBC Sports

Ford was one of four edge rushers who was tagged as a franchise player. His one-year salary as an outside linebacker was scheduled to be $15.443 million. The non-exclusive tag means other teams were allowed to negotiate with Ford and sign him to an offer sheet. The price tag for signing a franchise player is two first-round draft picks.

But the Chiefs settled for far less from the 49ers to dump his salary.

Grading the trade: 49ers acquire Dee Ford from Chiefs, hoping he can fill pass-rushing need | The Athletic

Trade grade (Chiefs): C.

They probably should get an incomplete. The Chiefs now have additional cap space and very well could target a defensive end to give them some more pass rush. It’s a little surprising that they weren’t able to get more than a second-round pick, but if Ford wasn’t in Kansas City’s plans, at least the team got reasonable compensation for him in a trade.

Chiefs were after another Texans free agent before he signed with Bills | Chiefs Wire

As [Kevin] Johnson was cut, he was not subject to the same rules that an unrestricted free agent must follow during the legal tampering period. Over the last several days, he’d taken visits with the Bills and Browns, which were both extensively reported, but Johnson also reportedly took a visit with the Chiefs, according to The Athletic’s Matthew Fairburn.

Tyrann Mathieu film review: Chiefs’ acquisition is the ultimate Swiss Army safety | The Athletic

Players are often utilized all over the field because coaches aren’t sure what they do well. In Mathieu’s case, he’s utilized all over the field because he does everything well. His hips, feet, recognition and closing speed in particular make him an obvious candidate to play free safety for the Chiefs. However, he could line up anywhere and make an impact.

Chiefs expected to add strongside linebacker, part with corner in free agency | The Kansas City Star

Kansas City intends to sign linebacker Damien Wilson, formerly of the Dallas Cowboys, when the new league year opens Wednesday, a source confirmed to The Star. Wilson is the second player to agree to terms with the Chiefs during the NFL’s legal tampering period. Safety Tyrann Mathieu agreed to terms with the Chiefs on Monday. Over the weekend, the Chiefs also signed running back Carlos Hyde. The 25-year-old Wilson is a traditional strongside linebacker in a 4-3 system, giving the Chiefs their first true strongside linebacker on the roster.

Trading Dee Ford shows Chiefs are willing to lose a marquee player for a better fit | The Athletic

The Chiefs began overhauling their defense the next day when Reid fired his defensive coordinator, Bob Sutton, who had his players in a 3-4 scheme. In hiring Steve Spagnuolo as the new coordinator, the Chiefs began evaluating whether Ford could stay on the roster and transition into a defensive end, the position he played in college. But with Ford listed at 6-foot-2 and 252 pounds, Spagnuolo wanted to have bigger defensive ends who could still pressure the quarterback while also being crucial in defending the run.

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SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Wut?

workingmansdead

If we could trade Berry and get out of that contract, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Can he pass a physical?

tsv0728
tsv0728

It’d still be a 12mil cap hit, assuming it is done by tomorrow. I would assume the trade value would be VERY low. We might actually have to give them a later rd pick. Still better than the ~16mil it would be if you were to cut him, so likely a better option if your plan is to cut him tomorrow if you can’t trade him. I don’t think it’s likely, but I’m not privy to the conversations that would inform my thoughts one way or the other.

workingmansdead

Dang, still a $12M cap hit? That’s unfortunate.

ChiefOfTheWolfpack
ChiefOfTheWolfpack

“Fire Sutton!”
“Cut Houston!”
“Trade Dee Ford!”

I guess Veach was browsing Arrowhead Guys after our losses this year.

Jokes aside, I like this move. Obviously the 2018 defense didn’t work at all. Therefore, taking a nuke to it and rebuilding around young players like Jones, Fuller, Mathieu, etc. while acquiring draft capital and clearing high contracts could be a good strategy, especially with all the defensive talent in free agency and a very defense-heavy draft class. I’ll take a second rounder from SF in 2020 (which will likely be a middling pick, but could be really good if the 49ers, well, do what they usually do) over one year of a good-but-expensive player who might not fit in a new defense.

Very excited to see the whole plan come full circle.

MasterChief
MasterChief

I have to give AG a lot of credit. A lot of you armchair GM’s called a lot of shots correctly.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Currently Steven Nelson slotted to give us a 4th round comp next year.

Panzer85
Panzer85

Haven’t seen a “Thank You, Dee Ford” tweet from the Chiefs yet…

backbone313
backbone313

It can not be official until new league year begins today.

Think Alex Smith trade in Jan and not official until new league year began

Pelletman
Pelletman

Yeah, Houston was different because the cut was official.

CHIEFSandSABRES

I knew it was time to go to bed last night when I started seeing the “LeVeon Bell spotted at KCI” tweets.

Leaf
Leaf

Chiefs fans are so fickled. 10 days ago people were taking about what to do with the money we would save if we moved on from Houston. We did so and it’s practically Chernobyl. Two days ago we talked about possibly getting a third for Ford. We get a second and you would think someone pissed on someone’s grandmother’s urn. My head hurts from all the back and forth.

CHIEFSandSABRES

Yeah the armchair GM part of Free Agency isn’t fun. I mean I enjoy it, but some people do get a little crazy. The Chiefs are making moves, teams like the Seahawks, Vikings, Colts, what are they doing? I could see if we were just sitting pat and not doing anything and saying “well Mahomes don’t need no help” but they are doing stuff.

Team Player
Team Player

The difference is fans were thinking “what would I do with that money” not “what will the Chiefs do with that money”. Then a fan will be upset when their plan doesn’t happen. We are all a little arrogant that way.

Pelletman
Pelletman

This has been a frustrating week. Everything you just said plus people thinking cutting Berry this year is actually a thing. It’s been hard to hang around here.

CHIEFSandSABRES

You’ve been around long enough to know the ebb and flows. It’ll get better, it always does. Everyone has their crushes and wants, but soon enough it’ll smooth out, camp will start, and we will all be fighting over us signing Breashaud Breeland, right?

Leaf
Leaf

I get that. Just having a good laugh at our fickled nature.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Ben saying it for 2 years…sometimes, Hell is other Chiefs fans

probablyamistake
probablyamistake

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Pelletman
Pelletman

Wait… we got a 2nd for Ford? People think that’s bad?

A 2nd round pick for a tagged player that doesn’t fit in our system anymore is amazing. Especially since he’s so hot and cold.

workingmansdead

I agree. I thought that was a good return.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

2020 is the issue.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Why?

Leaf
Leaf

They want instant gratification. They would rather have a third this year than a second next, dispite the fact that even if SF won the SB next year, that pick would still be worth more than a third.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

That has to be it.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Way to frame it like people who want a pick this year (in a deep defensive draft to boot) are being petulant and just have to have “instant gratification.” A pick a year later carries less value than in the current year. I know that pick is likely getting traded before or in the draft, but 2020 is my issue for the previously stated reasons.

Leaf
Leaf

It holds less value only to those that can’t think long term. No matter what, the weakest second rounder will always be a higher pick than the strongest third. Therefore offering the greater likelihood of netting a more valuable piece. You could be right that it’s used as trade bait. But even if it’s not, it’s still a better haul than a third.

tsv0728
tsv0728

“It holds less value only to those that can’t think long term” This is absurd. A future pick literally has less value than a current pick. All 32 GMs agree on that, no matter which side of a pick trade they are on. I’m sure the Chiefs tried to get their 2nd this year, since it is objectively more valuable, and then had to decide whether to accept a 3rd this year or 2nd next. I’m fine with the 2nd next year, as I don’t want this team to be a SB window team, but a long term dynasty. I still would have rather had the 2nd this year, since it is more valuable, and the Pat is cheap window is closing fast.

Leaf
Leaf

I’m not talking about a second this year vs a second next year. If we could have had a second this year, we would have. The only real options were what you said, a third this year or second next. That’s what I’m arguing. Sure, the position of the pick is volatile, but a forward thinking person will play the odds because nothing in the draft is guaranteed. We can get the first pick in the third this year, it still would not be as high as the last pick in the second next year. So by waiting a year, you increase your odds of getting a better player.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

So, we got a 2019 3rd for him. That’s the worst case scenario–& you’re still upset?

Huh.

hatcreekcattlecmpny
hatcreekcattlecmpny

we can still trade that pick to move up this year

Mahomesisgreat
Mahomesisgreat

Agreed. Ford stinks and is injured constantly. The 49ers will regret this decision, but don’t tell them I said that!

EAFOX
EAFOX

The more I think and read about the Tyrann Mathieu deal – the more that I believe that this is a HUGE win for the Chiefs. Mathieu was by far the most versatile of all of the potential safeties that we could sign. The flexibility that this gives us moving forward is amazing. Need a replacement for Berry – check, need a complement to Berry – check, need a third corner in a pinch – check, need a free safety that we can rely on – check, and the list goes on. We could still make a move on corner or safety in the early rounds of the draft and easily fit them in the scheme as opposed to free safety being out of the question as a high draft pick had we picked up Earl Thomas. Have no issue with the money. Do we add a few more solid pieces like Wilson and Hyde or are we searching for one more high impact signing as we move forward?

backbone313
backbone313

Free Agency and the draft does weird things to fans… then there is Bills fans.

the Bills have now lined up additions to support quarterback Josh Allen in the form of standout center Mitch Morse, receivers John Brown and Cole Beasley, running back Frank Gore, tight end Tyler Kroft and offensive linemen Spencer Long and Nsekhe.

Truelly love the way the Chiefs are building the roster around Mahomes. Next man up, draft well, sign off casts to come in and compete. Competition breads success.

On the other hand, the Bills are trying to buy an offense. Yet, you look at who the Bills brought in, it’s not that impressive.

So, Chiefs fans, which way do you prefer Veach handle the offseason? Buy 1 or build 1?

CHIEFSandSABRES

Build. We see what paying our own players gets us. I saw draft, play and trade. No more of these mega deals for anyone except our QB. Do you see anyone wearing Richard Seymour 2005 SuperBowl champ shirts? No its Patriots shirts. When its time for players to go, flip them and build around the offense.

Straybrit
Straybrit

Well yeah, build. I think the key part of the statement however is “building the roster around Mahomes” – you need that keystone or it all comes to naught (or at least you need an unfeasible amount of luck)

backbone313
backbone313

Then there are Bills fans…

Buying around #notMahomes Allen. They understand they can not develop players with his skill level.

#MVPat what a relief

tsv0728
tsv0728

Honest question based on this. Do you pay Reek elite WR money? Probably 17M-18M per year? For the record I honestly can’t decide. His fit with Pat is so perfect, that I can’t see it being worth letting him go. On the other hand TB12 has been playing with abject mediocrity at the WR position the majority of his career and seems to have no issue with it. What about CJ? He is likely getting very close to Donald’s #. It will definitely qualify as a mega deal.

Mahomesisgreat
Mahomesisgreat

I pay him. I think he is the best receiver in the league.

Tarkus

He’s also the perfect fit for our young franchise QB.

upamtn

Competition breads success

whole wheat?

I’m sorry, did I miss where competition made Nnadi and Speaks successful in 2018?

backbone313
backbone313

Special Teams

Signing Hyde helps the offense but hurts the core 4. Usually 1 of the 3 RBs helps out on ST. The Williams bros and Hyde… to be determined.

The shift from the 3-4 to the 4-3 changes the dynamic of the core 4. More DL & less LBs to fill out the core 4.

With the 90 man training camp, there will be players brought in and the roster the average hott taek fan does not understand why they were signed in the 1st place and why they made the game day roster.

I don’t foresee Ragland surviving the switch to the 4-3 but a draft day trade to move around in late in the draft. A trade like the Beard brought a couple drafts ago.

BigRed
BigRed

I’m going to try my best to reserve judgement until mid-summer/training camp time. We still have the draft, free agency, and there will be a lot of post 1 Jun cuts from other teams that Veach can go out and get. We’ve got close to $30 million in cap space now(less once honey badger officially signs) to sign FA’s, draft picks, and extend Hill or Jones or both. We’re gonna be alright.

Oh yeah…and we still have some guy named Mahomes lining up at QB. I’m not worried.

CHIEFSandSABRES

But we really need that Breshaud Breeland fella!!!

EAFOX
EAFOX

I am good with the Damien Wilson signing – SAM linebacker who is young and cheap but with some potential. Wilson, Hitch, and DOD – should be the starting lineup – Rags is back up MIKE at best. Niemann could end up being a key reserve. Will have to see what they do in action but this lineup could be decent. Sorry that the second round pick for Ford was for next year but glad we are moving on. He was not worth the franchise tag and not part of our future. Will KPASS get the first look at DE? I still predict that he will be the break out star on Spags defense. With Ford and Houston gone, I imagine our pass rush this year will lean more on the blitz packages than in previous years.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

I’m really holding out alot of hope for Kpass

EAFOX
EAFOX

My prediction – 12+ sacks for KPASS plus some solid run support as our defensive end.

CJ_Spiller
CJ_Spiller

LOL. Good players don’t get healthy scratched from the worst defense in the NFL like Kpass did multiple games last year. Plus there are already rumors KC is trying to trade him too.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Rumors that you are creating?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Well, good players don’t get traded for virtually nothing either. Ford so badly didn’t fit this new scheme that he was dealt for essentially a third this year (if I understand the values from one year to the next). Ford was a terrible fit and thus had to go. KPass is a terrible 3-4 OLB, thus he got healthy scratched. I’m for seeing what he can do as a 4-3 DE before I declare him a complete bust.

workingmansdead

A second round pick is not “virtually nothing”.

CHIEFSandSABRES

What rumors. Prove it….

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Was hoping to wake up to find KC had managed to swap that 2020 2nd from SF for Jalen Ramsey. I see this has not happened. /s

Team Player
Team Player

Jax still believes they are contenders. And given their division, they may not be wrong. We should be targeting Peterson.

ElPasoJason
ElPasoJason

Peterson would be a welcome addition as well. I’ve definitely been on the wishful thinking train for Ramsey but Peterson would be a bad ass pick up!

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Hmm. Not sold on the reality of the Hitch-Rags-Wilson linebacking trio. Something suggests to me that one of those guys (Ragland) is a goner, and another one will be earning his nine million dollars as a Mike.

That leaves DOD as our Willie, and Wilson (whose deal is basically a one year contract) at Sam.

O’Daniel-Hitchens-Wilson looks and sounds a lot more useful, especially in the era of spread offenses. The days of needing “thumper 1st and 2nd down guys” are winding down.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

I mean…that simply cannot happen. Right? Rags is an absolute disaster.

Team Player
Team Player

Ragland is a below average stop-gap (pun intended)

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

I think the people filling in that lineup are just being lazy journo’s. Using the roster as-is to fill in blanks.

Either that, or everyone on the defensive staff & in the pro scouting departments are dumbfucks. It’s not 2001, that’s a terrible lineup for the positions they’re at.

I’m currently siding with the “lazy journo” bit, as we’ve not held the latter half of FA, the 2019 draft, minicamp or TC yet.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

I would tend to agree there, re: lazy journos. I think it ends up being (as roster stands now) DOD-Hitchens-Wilson.

hatcreekcattlecmpny
hatcreekcattlecmpny

i hope we draft someone as well that has Mike potential

CJ_Spiller
CJ_Spiller

That would be the worst LB group in the NFL and its not close.

Savagerider
Savagerider

I have no faith in veach and think he needs to go now. Horrible dee Ford trade. Get no compensationthis year for him and possibly back end of second next year for him. Overpaid tremendously for hitchens and watkins. Overpaid for mathiu. Amos just signed for little less than 10 million and was rated better. Get veach out of here

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Guess we’d better cancel the season, then

Savagerider
Savagerider

Umm you over reached like crazy there. You got that i think we aren’t gonna be good or whatever out of me saying veach is giving out ridiculous contracts. Woah there

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

I’m ready to shred my season tickets….along with my wrists….to prove I bleed Chiefs red. Lead me, savage….

probablyamistake
probablyamistake

Don’t do it Sal, a pinprick will do. Some of you guys taek this stuff way too seriously. 😉

KCChef
KCChef

Kettle Meet Pot ( Though from your Hot Taek , I’m guessin’ you & Pot are No Strangers …)

Tyrone
Tyrone

Even I think this taek is pretty crazy

Team Player
Team Player

You should meet up with @Armychiefj and @Pelletman to form a support group

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

I don’t think either of those guys are dropping taeks quite this hot.

Savagerider
Savagerider

Really what did i say in that was wrong or even a reach? That we overpaid watkins? A guy who is hurt every year and was hurt even with us and didn’t even hit 600 yards. I sure don’t wanna pay almost 17 million dollars for a reciever to just get 500 yards. Next let’s move to hitchens. Do i really need to ask if he should be paid as the best at his position. He was rated so bad. Look at his pff and tell me was he worth 9 million. Enough said. Mathieu now. Even though i like him. Do you believe he was better than collins, amos, joyner yet we signed him for same price and even more than some. What im saying his veach is giving out overpriced contracts just like dorsey did. And gonna put us in same situation we are in now with berry contract and what was houston contract.

Team Player
Team Player

You have some good points in there. But you also have some assumptions. And it’s your conclusion that makes it a taek

A few assumptions hidden in there:
1) PFF is the ultimate source of player value
2) player value doesn’t change over time. It’s a constant.
3) the value of skill players is solely predicated on stats.

Savagerider
Savagerider

True about pff but just with eye test and what you seen with hitchens out of place all the time amd missing tackles and getting ran over would you pay 9 million for the level of play you seen from him.

Team Player
Team Player

I did agree that you had some solid points.
Hitchens looked lost last year
Sammy got hurt
Mathieu has above average injury risk.

As far as trade compensation goes, though, you have to find a buyer. And clearly the Chiefs worked hard to do so. But the price is where supply and demand meet. You may not like it. I don’t. But being lower than our expectations doesn’t make it bad.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Hitch is your one really strong point, and I agree with it. 9 mil is not good for the guy. He looked like hot shit last year (which he has never looked that bad in college or previously in the pro’s, to be frank with you).

We’ll see if a scheme shift helps him in any way.

That’s a big problem there, 110% agree.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

1) “That we overpaid watkins? A guy who is hurt every year and was hurt even with us and didn’t even hit 600 yards. I sure don’t wanna pay almost 17 million dollars for a reciever to just get 500 yards.” Would you pay 17 million dollars for a guy who nabs you 1,000 yards air-and-ground, forces single coverage on Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce OR himself on most any play, & therefore provides our young QB dynamic options and a high success rate? That’s what Watkins would’ve brought in 2018 if healthly, & that’s the opportunity he provides while on the team. 2) “Next let’s move to hitchens. Do i really need to ask if he should be paid as the best at his position. He was rated so bad. Look at his pff and tell me was he worth 9 million. Enough said.” Hitchens’ deal (not the player, the deal) is a true F from me, we had a year to see it and it’s not good. I fully anticipate his move to the Mike in 2019, which will make him more effective for sure, but not to the tune of 9 million dollars. 3) “Mathieu now. Even though i like him. Do you believe he was better than collins, amos, joyner yet we signed him for same price and even more than some.” Are you REALLY arguing if Mathieu is better than Amos or Joyner? That’s up for debate? I’ll look at the ‘quick math’ funny money, just for comparison, since it’s all we have right now…. Amos – 4 yrs, 36 mil (funny money avg of 9 mil) Joyner – 4 yrs, 42 mil funny money avg of 10 mil) Mathieu – 3 yrs, 42 mil (funny money avg of 14 mil) These two are primarily free safeties, homes. Joyner can play SOME slot (he came into the league as a corner). According to Seth’s latest article (who you may not like or trust, since his taek seems to not jibe with yours) the Honey Badger lined up and played every position except 34 DE last year… Read more »

Savagerider
Savagerider

I see qhat you saying but with your watkins take yes i would pay for a guy to do that. But you know he actually has to be on the field to do that. So no i wouldnt pay that for someone always on bench. We have enough of that seeing berry on sideline every game taking up 14 million. I dont wanna see a 16 million sidline fixture. Ill pass on 30 million dolar cheerleaders. If watkins could stay healthy completely worth it but he has never omce in career shown he can stay healthy for long period of times

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Guess who was on the field during the playoffs? Sammy Watkins.

BOTH games I might add.

And on the field for the last few games of the regular season, too.

It sounds to me like you’re mad at Berry, based on all of what you’re saying….but redirecting it towards the free agent signee?

Savagerider
Savagerider

Not mad at berry for 17 million i want him on the field for more than few games. And when he was on field at end of season you can tell he wasnt fully recovered and back to himself

Chiefs North
Chiefs North

Schefter reporting Demetrius Harris is signing with the Browns.

Team Player
Team Player

That’s good news

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

So he’ll have the same role there as here? (Backing up a more dynamic player)…..Interesting.

Thought he was some unknown gem, waiting to bust out – read that on some website earlier this year.

Team Player
Team Player

Bad hands are like bad news. They don’t get better with age.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

correct

workingmansdead

He used to play basketball!

Tyrone
Tyrone

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CHIEFSandSABRES

Green’d

Team Player
Team Player

My sources have confirmed the Chiefs have no intentions of hiring Ehud Laniado’s doctors to fix the D

Team Player
Team Player
Severely Concussed
Severely Concussed

It is like his heart said “I ain’t gonna try to get that monster up!” 😂😂😂

Savagerider
Savagerider

Should have kept dee ford. I have seen alot of people say he wasnt fit for our 4-3. Funny thing is this morning i was watching where they said last year we ran nickle over 80 percent of the time and had 4 down lineman. So we basically ran a 4-3 last year and he did just fine. A future second round pick from a team who could be good next year. Signing free agents, trading for players, early draft picks. Oh and starting qb coming back. We could be getting late second round pick for ford.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

Players are worth what other teams will pay. We got a 2 — we just get it next year.

Do you think a Pioli, or Ryan Pace, would’ve been able to get a 2019 second rounder for him on name recognition alone? Rather than Veach? That’s one thing you lead people to infer, when you say some of this.

And frankly I doubt it. Teams see Ford like we do – a one-trick pony who needs to be a rush OLB or a wide-9 only, who cannot physically handle being run on for three straight downs without being hidden, and whose one trick (while awesome) isn’t Derrick-Thomas level and therefore isn’t worth cratering the run d to one side. And I say all this as a lifeling, AP AND AG Ford DEFENDER. I loved the guy, still do – but he is not a complete player, and I privately had doubts he could play hand-in-the-dirt every down in the NFL.

“Funny thing is this morning i was watching where they said last year we ran nickle over 80 percent of the time and had 4 down lineman. So we basically ran a 4-3 last year and he did just fine.” — look pal, nothing about last year’s defensive abomination was “fine.” If you were “fine” with that, I have some concern here.

BuckeyeMike
BuckeyeMike

I think I read that ford barely had sacks when his hand was in the ground to start. This is where he would be most of the time in the 4-3 and that’s the issue.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

He needs more space to work in. Maybe being a “leo” will help there, but I honestly doubt it.

I would have waited one more year, looking for sack production in the double digits, before handing him that kind of money. As a FAN.

If he was going to a 34 team? I might be a bit more comfortable saying he’s going to earn it, but even then he really needs one more year of health and production, to me anyway.

ElPasoJason
ElPasoJason

Ford was gone regardless, only difference was whether we MIGHT get a compensatory pick in 2021 (a 3rd at most) or some other straight up compensation.

If hes not going to be a fit (per our DC) then why wouldn’t we get the best compensation we can?

Spags didn’t want him, plain and simple.

tsv0728
tsv0728

The production he would create has its own value too. So it isn’t a late 3rd vs a mid 2nd next year. It is a late 3rd+1yr of production vs mid 2nd. I’m not arguing for or against, only that the production needs to be a part of the equation. Of course, so does the cap value of that year of production. Similar to the MP22 deal. You get X production at Y price vs the picks you get in return. In the case of MP22, If I were so inclined, I would argue that the production would have been infinitely more valuable that the picks, especially at the price, in hindsight. If I were so inclined, I’d even be willing to say that the Chiefs very likely make the Superbowl if MP22 was on the team, as his production during his time in KC was 30%+ better than any CB on the team last year. I am however not inclined to argue about it 🙂

Leaf
Leaf

Problem with that line of thinking is production isn’t a known. Granted the drafting a good player isn’t a given, but at least a logical person can tell that the earlier you pick, the more likely you are to find a good player. Your scenario has way too many variables that could end up netting us nothing in the end. We don’t know that Ford would be good again. He’s shown flashes, so it’s possible, but he’s been injured and inconsistent his whole career. Add in this is a completely different defense from last year, and trying to predict Ford’s production is a crap shoot. If he has a down year, he doesn’t get a huge contract which means no third comp, if we even get a comp at all. Also if we sign a compatible or greater FA any comp from him is gone. So your late 3rd + production might end up being no draft pick and not the production we hoped for.

Tarkus

The one year of production also comes with a cost of $15.5M that you can’t spend on other players who are probably going to help you beyond 2019.

CHIEFSandSABRES

Day 3 wonder who Veach has in store for us? Can’t wait for Mahomes and Co to torch Steven Nelson and the soon to be cellar dwelling Steelers.

Team Player
Team Player

Browns had better win that division or they will have gone all-in and lost
Steelers? At least they are helping Shazier
Ravens? Full-on rebuilding
Bengals? It’s like rebuilding without the rebuild

Tyrone
Tyrone

Should there be anything preventing the Steelers from cutting shazier, him retiring, and them giving him a front office job for say 10 million while he recovers?

Team Player
Team Player

Nothing other than whose money they’re spending. Getting him service time means it comes from a league-wide fund not the team. (Admittedly I don’t know if it’s a NFL or NFLPA fund)

hatcreekcattlecmpny
hatcreekcattlecmpny

we likely wont see pittsburgh next year

CHIEFSandSABRES

No we wont, they aren’t making the playoffs anytime soon.