Chiefs Cut Eric Berry

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Its with a heavy heart I type the words that Eric Berry is no longer a member of the Kansas City Chiefs. The announcement he was cut hit shortly after the start of the league new year, saving the Chiefs approximately the $7 dollars that Brett Veach needed to buy an AP draft guide.

Times yours.

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DenverDonkeyHater
DenverDonkeyHater

Well that was an eventful week. Just think, if Andy had the balls to fire Bob Poopy Pants Sutton last year or after the Colts playoff loss then all these guys would still be here.

I think this defense has needed a culture shift for the last 10-15 years. We’ve had some good players here and there but just have never felt that defensive attitude as a group. That attitude that we had in the 90s. As much as I hate to admit it, the god damn donkeys have had that attitude for the last 5 years or more. Even with less talent the last couple of years you can tell they hold each other accountable and expect everyone on that defense to play their heart on every snap. Of our 2 highest paid players, one never played and one took too many plays off. Ford had a good contract year (and was scared of frank gore). Bailey only ever showed up in contract years. Peters never tackled. No one ever streamed to the ball to gang tackle.

I’m ready for new leadership on the sidelines and in the huddle.

kguf
kguf

Well said. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jones is the only hold over by 2020.

tripower66
tripower66

imagine if each signs honey badger last off season. I think they win the super bowl

Savagerider
Savagerider

How much dead cap does this give us this year and next

KCChef
KCChef

Damn … Veach Goin’ All Obi Wan on Our Asses : ” These Aren’t The Defense Pillars You Were Looking For “

starry1
starry1

I hate everyone.

pompano
pompano

I hate everything, and everyone too.

hatcreekcattlecmpny
hatcreekcattlecmpny

knowing our luck he’ll never miss another game but you cant pay someone this much to not play. waiting a year too long for berry and houston really screwed us

slackator
slackator

One of my favorite Chiefs of all time, but it was time. You cant miss 55 games in 9 years and essentially the last 2 full seasons and still expect to be paid as the highest paid safety. Wish he could have been healthy or asked to restructure but it is what it is and its a business, we as fans need to get used to that. We all claim we want to be like New England, well here you go THIS is prime New England

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Eric Berry is my all time favorite chief (for as long as I’ve been a true fan). This is a sad day for Chiefs Kingdom. While it was certainly frustrating at times, overall Berry was such a positive influence for this franchise over the years and is a true inspiration for us all. I’m a cheapskate, and his is the only Jersey I’ve ever bought. I wish him nothing but the best.

Pelletman
Pelletman

The good news is, none of our previous favorite players matter, we all have Mahomes now xD

oof46
oof46

My only worry is putting too much on Mahomes’ shoulders like GB has done with Rodgers.

Tarkus

They realized they did that last year, which is why they’re blowing up the defense.

Berserker
Berserker

Blowing up the defense….. I remember that a lot of AP thought we should blow up the defense after 2012, for pretty much the same reasons they’re spouting now. Turned out in 2013, that it was a good idea to keep 2012’s core defensive players.

What do you think our chances are of fielding a better defense in 2019 than we had in 2018, now that we’ve jettisoned all two of our decent edge rushers?

Kurdish_chief
Kurdish_chief

Pretty great. Coverage players >>> Pass rushers

Berserker
Berserker

Pass rush is trying to stop a play in the first stages. Coverage is trying to stop a play at the very last stage.

Well….unless you’re facing a QB like Alex Smith, who generally won’t throw to a receiver who has a DB within a couple yards of him. So, I guess it depends on the type of QB you’re facing.

Pelletman
Pelletman

I’ll have to agree that pass rush is greater than coverage as well. For example, Mahomes feasts off extended plays because people in coverage can only last for so long.

Berserker
Berserker

Yeah, it’s pretty clear that the best way to stop a pass is to tackle the QB before he passes it.

That said, I do think it depends on the QB you’re facing. Is he a QB who only tests coverage when he’s absolutely desperate, like Smith? Or is he a QB who goes fetal whenever he thinks there’s the slightest hint of pressure, like Gabbert? Is he somebody who’s just about impossible to take down quickly, like Roethlisberger, or a Brady who can get the ball out in 0.5 second? Or is he a refined system guy like Brees, who’ll carve up any coverage if he has an average amount of time to stand in the pocket?

Or, with QBs who can throw from the pocket AND are great at extended plays….I think you’re screwed no matter what.

Tarkus

OTOH, Brady neutralized our pass rush by getting the ball out so quick, and he could, because we were lacking in coverage.

I think you want to be at least competent to good in both areas.

Berserker
Berserker

Yeah, it would be best to be good at all things. But that’s not what we were talking about.

Berserker
Berserker

Re: Our coverage vs NE…. I still chalk that up more to play calls and scheme rather than individual DB talent. I think Brady was out-diagnosing us on those quick throws, most of the time.

Pelletman
Pelletman

DB’s need to be solid for 3-4 seconds, then you need enough pass rush to get to the QB then because you can’t ask your secondary to be great after that.

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

Yes, but moreso competent at passrush

workingmansdead

Dang dude, I’m not sure you could be more wrong.

Berserker
Berserker

Ha, he’s already proven that he can be.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Looks like Veach (and by extension, Spags) are banking on the idea that you can scheme pass rush, but can’t scheme coverage. Looks like they’ll be paying the back end to cover and trying to use the Xs and Os to get pass rush with all the front 7.

Berserker
Berserker

I guess we’ll find out how legit that idea is.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

It’s been working for NE for a while.

Berserker
Berserker

NE churns their coverage guys every bit as much as their front seven.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

I never said they were static with personnel. I said they are willing to pay their back end guys. Two places (besides Tom Brady) where Bill will spend money are the OL and Secondary.

Berserker
Berserker

Are you sure they haven’t paid front seven players?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Don’t twist this, please. The guys they tend to let walk, or trade, are front 7 guys who are about to get expensive. I’m not speaking in absolutes here, so please don’t try and “gotcha” me with a specific that I missed in my assessment. I’m speaking in generalities.

Tyrone
Tyrone

I think he’s right. I’ve gone back through 2014 and the only DL/Edge guy I can find coming close to getting paid was Vince Wilfork. It seems they’ve been much more likely to spend on DBs, OL, and even ILBs.

Berserker
Berserker

2014? I seem to remember the Patriots Way being around for a lot longer than that.

Tyrone
Tyrone

Sorry, that’s as far back as I could easily check. I’ll see if I can find anything further back. Feel free to give any examples that you know of.

Berserker
Berserker

Spotrac shows team cap back to 2011. In 2011, Wilfork (DT) and Ellis (DE) were #2 and #3 top paid defenders. 2012, Wilfork #2. 2013, Wilfork #1, Ninkovich (OLB) #3. 2015, Ninkovich #2 and Sheard (OLB) #3. 2016, Hightower (OLB) #1 and Sheard #2.

OLBs on that list were when NE was playing base 3-4, so pass rushers like Houston and Ford. Hightower’s designation changed to ILB just in 2018.

Also, just going off memory, there were Seymour and McGinest who were obviously major contributors to getting the whole dynasty started.

Looks like the thing with paying only DBs and ILBs is just specific to the last two years, and that is only because they switched Hightower from OLB to ILB.

Tyrone
Tyrone

2011 Wilfork and Ellis.
I did already mention Wilfork so I won’t spend too much time on him.
Yes they were the 2 highest paid defenders that year, at $4.6 and $4 million. That’s still only less than 4% of the cap for that season each. They weren’t getting paid a lot, it’s just that no Patriot defenders were getting paid a lot that year. I don’t believe they count.

2013 Ninkovich – Again, only $4.3 million. Less than 3.5% of the cap. He was not getting paid a lot. The only guys on big money that year were QB Brady, G Mankins, DT Wilfork.

2015 Ninkovich and Sheard again, $4.75 and $4 million. 3.3% and 2.8% of that cap.

2016 Hightower – He had 2.5 sacks in 2016 and 3.5 the year before. He was not a pass rusher. “Hightower entered training camp as the starting middle linebacker after Jerod Mayo announced his retirement. Head coach Bill Belichick officially named Hightower the starting middle linebacker to start the regular season, alongside outside linebackers Jamie Collins and Jonathan Freeny.”

And all the way back to Seymour and McGinest.
McGinest – I really can’t find anything about his contracts, but he was there 6 years before BB, and 7 years before their first Super Bowl. He was then only there 4 more years after 2001 and then was released and got paid reasonably by Cleveland.

Seymour – On his rookie contract his first 6 years, then did actually sign a big 3 year $30 million dollar deal after that. Then this after 2 years:
September 6, 2009: Traded by Patriots to Raiders for 2011 1st round pick (17th overall, Nate Solder)

I’ll still give you Seymour though.

But that was a nice attempt at, as you would say, cherry picking numbers that weren’t actually representative of big contracts.

Berserker
Berserker

You’re moving goalposts. We were talking about NE paying DBs and ILBs : pass rushers, not NE paying any of their defenders : other teams paying their defenders.

Tyrone
Tyrone

Looks like Veach (and by extension, Spags) are banking on the idea that you can scheme pass rush, but can’t scheme coverage. Looks like they’ll be paying the back end to cover and trying to use the Xs and Os to get pass rush with all the front 7.

SCKSChief can correct me if I’m wrong, but his original statement was that BB doesn’t give big contracts to pass rushers because he thinks he can scheme pass rush.

We have found very few if any “big contracts” for Patriots pass rushers. Pretty simple. It seems like you’re the one moving the goal posts.

Berserker
Berserker

But NE’s front seven has often gotten 1-2 of the 3 biggest checks NE had given out to their defenders. So if NE isn’t generally paying front seven, then they are also not generally paying DBs and ILBs.

That’s pretty simple, I thought. Comparing NE’s front seven to the rest of NE’s defenders, as opposed to comparing NE’s front seven to what the rest of the league pays their own defenders. Since the topic was how NE, in their own house, values talent at different positions.

Guess I underestimated the drive to believe what one wants to believe, as usual.

Oh well. I guess as long as Spags is about as good at scheming defense, and Veach is about as good at refreshing the roster, as Hoodie is, then we’ve got nothing to worry about.

Berserker
Berserker

Eh, I think you’re the one twisting your own memories, to fit what you want to optimistically believe about our own future.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

The other part of my point is that they may pay guys initially, but are very good at parting ways before the production falls off, meaning longevity is also a part of the philosophy. While they are paying Hightower and Van Noy pretty well currently I would anticipate those guys will not see the end of their deals in NE. Meanwhile, Chung has been there for a long time and they just paid Gillmore and McCourty. Currently Adrain Clayborne (and Micheal Bennett) are their top-paid DL…at $5M per.

Berserker
Berserker

But their willingness to part ways with players early isn’t specific to specific positions. Until you start cherry picking.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

I stand by my original statement that pass rush can be schemed while talent is required in the back end. I also stand by my belief that this is something NE does well.

Berserker
Berserker

You’re perfectly free to stand by wrong opinions, people do it all the time.

Tyrone
Tyrone

You would know 😉

Berserker
Berserker

Ha!

Most of the reason you guys are on this coverage talent > pass rush talent schtick, is because it looks like that is the direction the Chiefs are going now. If we were jettisoning coverage for pass rush, then that would be the popular opinion.

Berserker
Berserker

Hoodie schemes everything well on defense.

I also recall NE jettisoning excellent DBs like Talib and Samuel. But those examples seem to have slipped your mind at present, for probably obvious reasons.

Tyrone
Tyrone

I’m really trying my best to find any pass rushers that the Patriots have paid.

Link

These are the only guys that have had more than 5 sacks in a season for the Belichick/Brady Patriots. Have any of these guys been guys that could be classified as having “gotten paid: by the Pats?

tripower66
tripower66

kind of what the Pats have been doing. 2 of their top 3 paid guys are cb and safety(Brady being the highest).

Tarkus

I think at the absolute worst, the defense will be no worse than 2018. But the point isn’t 2019. The point is 2019 and beyond. Seems like a lot of people can’t look beyond this year, as if we have a one year Super Bowl window.

Berserker
Berserker

We have a two year window of Mahomes on his cheap rookie deal. I don’t understand why people have a hard time understanding that.

I was probably the biggest opponent of a win-now strategy during the Cassel and Smith years. But our situation now is, very obviously, different than in those years.

Berserker
Berserker

And another thing to worry about is the expiring CBA, which situation might erase one of Mahomes’ last two rookie deal years.

Pelletman
Pelletman

Good point, that would be extremely frustrating.

Tarkus

Has a new CBA ever voided existing contracts before?

Pelletman
Pelletman

I have no idea about any of that.

Tarkus

I would think any new rules like that would be phased in, but I don’t know.

Berserker
Berserker

Don’t be silly, I’m not a dumbass. I’m talking about if there’s a work stoppage that goes into the season, not about an actual rule that voids existing contracts.

thehorror
thehorror

I don’t believe that the modern nfl will see a work stoppage. These players are making wayyyy to much money to let even a 1/4 of a season slip buy

Berserker
Berserker

You mean the owners are making way too much money.

thehorror
thehorror

No I mean the players are making so much they won’t sacrifice for the greater good. You think ODB or AB are going to take a stand for the little guy?
And yes you’re right the owners are definitely villains here. I just don’t believe the Haves will sacrifice for the have nots.

Berserker
Berserker

Remember last time, when the players started arranging an insurance policy that would pay them in case of a work stoppage, and the owners flipped out about it?

Yeah, the owners stand to lose more in a work stoppage, per person, than the players. Unless they can pull off what they wanted to last time, and somehow make that “unemployment insurance” thing illegal.

Tarkus

I get that’s an advantage, but I don’t think it’s such an advantage that you have to go all in now. If we were keeping the same defensive coaches and system, I would feel different. I just don’t see the point in trying to squeeze another year out of these guys while also trying to install a completely new defense with a new coaching staff.

Berserker
Berserker

The advantage of Mahomes’ rookie deal is having more money to spend on other positions.

So, it doesn’t make sense to me to be scrimping at cap dollars at other positions right now. Save that for after Mahomes gets paid.

Tarkus

I’m guessing they didn’t free up this cap space to line Clark’s wallet. They’ll be spending; it will just be on players who fit more what they’re trying to do going forward.

Berserker
Berserker

No, it will be on players they HOPE will fit, and perform.

I don’t detest Veach like Tony does. But so far, his biggest defensive FA and his first defensive draft pick do nothing to give me confidence in his ability to build a defensive roster.

Berserker
Berserker

Well, the disadvantage would be that we only have about a 50/50 chance of replacing them with players who are as good or better.

Which, as I mentioned, is fine when your QB is Alex Smith, and you don’t have great Superbowl aspirations anyway.

Berserker
Berserker

Well, the advantage would be if our former players are simply better players than Veach’s new acquisitions will be…. TBD.

Leaf
Leaf

Pretty good actually. It would be hard to be worse than last year as we were the worst.

thehorror
thehorror

This reminds me of the Vermeil transition. All offense no D. The major difference being the D was horrendous last year. I regret the loss of Houston and Berry. Ford not so much. I don’t believe Ford is a 15-20m man. At least not for us. However I can’t say with a straight face that this d will be any worse for these changes. What I can say is that the “talent” we knew and loved (outside of CJ) is gone. I can only hope that we don’t fall into the post J Allen trade D. No pass rush. Mike Maslowski lacrosse playing best/only tackler on the team situation.
Here’s to hoping for a shocker of discipline over talent D

tripower66
tripower66

those players were 6 years younger in 2013

Berserker
Berserker

Eh. I’ll still be a Chiefs fan after Mahomes has retired, if I live that long.

Pelletman
Pelletman

At least you don’t have to change your avatar.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Welcome to life with a smart GM. If you were a NE fan, you’d have the same fate. It’s like GoT…don’t get attached or your fav character dies. LOL

Berserker
Berserker

Well, we’ll see how smart Veach ends up looking. But there are a couple things not in his favor so far….for example, smart GMs don’t sign Anthony Hitchens.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

On it’s face, I agree with your statement. That said, I’m willing to see what Hitchens looks like as a Mike before I say it was a complete bust.

Berserker
Berserker

I’m willing to see how Hitchens looks in a 4-3 simply because it doesn’t seem like I have any other choice.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

LOL. Neither do any of us.

I HATED him last year. He was part of one of the worst ILB combos in NFL history. That said, I kept looking back to what he did in Dallas and it was NOT what he was being asked to do under Sutton in a 3-4 base. A traditional 4-3 Mike will play a role that is far more similar to what he played in Dallas…when he was exponentially better.

Berserker
Berserker

I disagree. I think that a 4-3 MLB will have even more read-react responsibility than a 3-4 ILB, simply because the 4-3 guy is responsible for the entire middle of the field on his own.

I believe that Hitchens in Dallas was mostly in a backup/sub role, where he got to come into the game in specific situations and with specific assignments. As a starting MLB, he’ll still have the same play calling duties he had last year, and probably be individually responsible for even more area of the field.

Personally, I don’t see any way that Hitchens as a starting MLB will be anything but a disaster. But like I said, I’ll wait and see because it looks like I don’t have any other choice.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

It’s all about the DC. Sutton wanted them to solve the Theory of Relativity on every snap. I think Spags is going to be a shoot first, ask questions later guy. Hoping that fits Hitchens skill set mo bettah.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Well, regardless, they need a lot more out of him than they got last season. I’m just hoping he plays better and I think, overall, the scheme switch will better fit his abilities.

go_saleaumua
go_saleaumua

You and Brsrkr are both 50% right and 50% wrong.

Per Pro Football Reference, Hitchens wiki page, and the Dallas Cowboys season wiki pages…

2014 DAL: Hitch began season as top backup, started final 9 games at WILL (9 starts)
2015 DAL Hitch started weeks 1-4 as MIKE, top backup after McClain returned, then weeks 12-16 as Mike after McClain was hurt again. (9 starts)
2016 DAL: Hitch started at MIKE all 16 games. (16 starts)
2017 DAL: Injured in p/s game 4, out weeks 1-4. Started week 5-10 at SAM, & week 11-16 at WILL in place of Sean Lee. (12 starts)

So he was a 4/5 of the time starter – including all of 2016 at MLB & all of his healthy time in ’17 at MIKE or WILL – more than a “part time” guy. However, it looks like he’d start different spots based on injury. I’d have to look at his PFF (I don’t subscribe, I ought to but don’t) to see how he scored out but most of the time it looks like he was either SAM or MIKE in their 43 system.

He wasn’t a “special package” guy, like Brsrkr says. In his last two years he was a full-time starter, when healthy (missed weeks 1-4 in ’17).

Bottom line: We’re all bitchy about him due to how bad he looked most of last year and his enormous deal, but I suspect we’ll like him a lot more (the player not the paycheck) in a system where he’s not forced to play weakside for 16 games.

Berserker
Berserker

I suspect we’ll like him a lot more…in a system where he’s not forced to play weakside for 16 games.

Why?

What do you think the differences are between a 3-4 WILB and a 4-3 MLB? WILB is one of 4 LBs, MLB is one of 3… Are you thinking that a MLB somehow has less responsibility and space to cover?

Tyrone
Tyrone

Final figures on the cost of the Eric Berry contract:

$16,475,000 per year
$8,237,500 per game played (including playoffs)
$123,872 per snap played (including playoffs)
$1,372,917 per tackle (including playoffs)

This is why I’ve been saying for a long time that I hate huge contracts for non quarterbacks.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11

Best of luck EB w/your new NFL team or new endeavor

Pelletman
Pelletman

Snaps played argument is so lame. Shit happens.

Tyrone
Tyrone

Sorry, what? Are you saying being on the field is not relevant?

Pelletman
Pelletman

I’m saying injuries happen and if you get butthurt and do the $$$ per snap nonsense for every player you’ll never enjoy the NFL.

Tyrone
Tyrone

And that is exactly my point. Injuries happen. Don’t put all of your eggs in one basket.

Pelletman
Pelletman

Paid one of the best safeties in the league entering his prime top safety money. That’s not all your eggs in one basket…that’s being smart. Again, do the percentages, he contract was fine. There are like 4 safeties this offseason with a higher contract than Berry’s now.

Tyrone
Tyrone

The contract was not fine. It was a year late at best and we’re now saddled with $15 million in dead money.

Pelletman
Pelletman

No, he got injured and most likely won’t come back from it. If he played at his ability without fluke cancer and a dude taking a cheap shot to his knees he would have earned the contract.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Please stop calling it an injury. It is a health issue, it was not caused by the sport or by any “accident.”

Pelletman
Pelletman

You’re arguing semantics now?

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

LOL. Come on, man. He’s not “injured.” He’s been medically able to play all year. You are the one hanging onto the “he got injured” angle to justify that we should feel sorry for him or something. If he was truly injured in the preseason, I think he gets one more chance. The current situation just had too many “ifs” for the Chiefs.

Pelletman
Pelletman

It’s an injury/medical issue that causes severe pain. The best doctors and front office guys were around him and were on the same page.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Well, the EB case is extreme. Zero return on investment.

Falco16
Falco16

Games played is huge, and Berry missed more games than most careers last. Sorry I don’t blame him for the injuries, but It’s time to cut bait on it.

Best ability is availability.

Pelletman
Pelletman

Best ability is how good you are. You weigh the risk on injury prone players but in the end, you pay them what they’re capable of, not if they’ll get hurt or not.

JJ Watt barely played for 2 years in a row and then came back last year and played all 16 games and had 16 sacks…after 0 in 2017 and 1.5 in 2016.

These guys have been well oiled machines their entire lives, injuries are expected… it’s just the roll of the dice if it hits you.

tecmo_sb35
tecmo_sb35

JJ Watt also got treatment on his injuries.

Pelletman
Pelletman

Sure, that doesn’t change the concept of paying players for their ability.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Also doesn’t change the fact that the guys paying expect a return for the investment.

Pelletman
Pelletman

YES dude… but they also know it’s a contact sport and injuries happen. It sucks but everyone knows it can happen. You don’t sign a bunch of Frank Zombos because you know they can play 16 games, you sign the best football players and hope they don’t get injured.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

Right. But it does no good to be butt hurt when your favorite guy gets shown the door because he can’t fulfill his part of a contract. No one is saying Berry is a pussy. We’re saying that he is unreliable and the Chiefs finally decided to cut bait and try to find a more reliable player.

Pelletman
Pelletman

I’m not butthurt if it’s a post June 1 contract and he doesn’t play much this year because he’s not over his injury.

I would be 100% butthurt (and right) if we just outright cut him and lost $15 million in dead money, only recouping $1.5.

I’m would be semi butthurt (and right) if we post June 1 cut him and he’s actually 100% healthy.

SCKSChief
SCKSChief

It is being reported as post June 1. They are not braindead. 😉

Pelletman
Pelletman

Go back to my comments and clarifications. Also, I know it’s post June 1, the “if” is on him playing or not.

Right now we’re in scenario 1 or 3 from above.

Tyrone
Tyrone

2016 and 2017 were the first 2 years of JJ’s new $100 million dollar contract. He produced nothing those years, then had a very good year last year. So they’re half way through his $100 million dollar contract, with 1 good season to show for it. And what did it get them? a Wild Card loss.

Thanks for continually proving my points for me.

Pelletman
Pelletman

How are you not following this? Even so far that I’m proving YOUR points?

Oh my, to live in such delusion.

Last time, you pay for a players peak potential, not if they’re going to randomly get hurt or not. If you don’t, someone smart will and you’ll lose that player.

ChiefArrowhead
ChiefArrowhead

So do you just not pay great players then? I’m pretty sure there’s negative to being a team that refuses to pay talent. It’s a double edge sword. Players won’t want to go to a team that lets talent continuously walk.

Tyrone
Tyrone

Why not? They hit the open market and still get paid. The Patriots just got an Olineman the most expensive contract ever for a Olineman by letting him walk.

ChiefArrowhead
ChiefArrowhead

If you can continually have the replacements/scheme to replace players walking it’s okay. If you need talent more than scheme, your I’m trouble.

All that is ignoring any perception issues created by handling things that way. Which the patriots are the exception…. Because winning cures/covers a lot of those issues.

Berserker
Berserker

Truth. It’s a point that can only be made in pure hindsight.

BleedingRedAndGold

And it’s why I’ve grown to dislike contracts that are withheld “until the player proves it”. It means that the player gets locked into a contract at the peak of his career, ensuring that the contract is huge and it rides on expecting that player to play at that level for the length of the contract in order to pay off.

That leads to cap crunches and “crisis management” thinking, neither of which are good. I like Veach’s approach to managing the cap, because he’s giving every sign that he wants to identify players who have both upside and the talent to merit big contracts and get it done early, rather than extending, extending, extending then sign to a huge deal after they’ve topped out.

Veach may be rubbing some fans the wrong way, but I suspect that’s as much because he’s doing things differently than we are used to as any real mistakes he has made, because if you don’t understand what he’s up to, it’s easy to see something he does as a mistake.

Tyrone
Tyrone

I have to admit that Veach has seemed to try to get in a year early on signing players. It may have backfired in the case of Hitchens (he might still be able to salvage something there), but at least if that one fails, it’s a $10 million/year fail rather than a $16 million/year fail.

BleedingRedAndGold

I’ll agree with that with the caveat that I was talking about players with the team who are still on rookie contracts, not about paying free-agent veterans who are still young-ish. Hitchens may have been a mistake, but I doubt he made that move without input from the coaching side of things.

Berserker
Berserker

If Veach really was about paying upside and talent, then we would’ve had Mathieu last season instead of Hitchens.

BleedingRedAndGold

Last season Matthieu was a “want” but Hitch was a “need”, in terms of position played, as at this time last year everyone expected Berry to be 100% for the season. Hitch was brought in as an effort to fill the gap DJ left.

And if you glance up at my second reply to Tyrone, you’ll see that I’m not talking veteran FAs, but home-grown talent. Totally different things.

Berserker
Berserker

Hitchens was not a need, because Hitchens is not a good player. And there is no such thing as a need for a player who is not good.

oof46
oof46

What this rebuilding of the defense feels like:

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former ap lurker
former ap lurker

Whats an “AP Draft Guide”?

upamtn

useless

Berserker
Berserker

AP’s foray into paid subscriber territory.

thehorror
thehorror

they ought to be able to sell one to Aly

Savagerider
Savagerider

Whats the cap savings and dead cap money with this move?

oof46
oof46

I think we saved 9 mil and a box of pez dispensers.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11

Yes 9.5m this year
5.5 next year

Savagerider
Savagerider

How much dead each year

upamtn

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alsi2
alsi2

Ahhh… the coveted Lumbego Trophy

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11

EB – Thanks for the memories (sincerely)
Best of luck!

LOVE this move!!
In the biz world, either an employee produces ROI (Return on Investment) for the company/organization – or get cut/fired

Every biz is cut throat.
an employee does his/her best – hopefully saves $$$ – this is why I always mention to “young” peeps – always update your resume & interview while you have a employment. The company @ anytime will cut/fire you. Never burn bridges w/people you work with and customers.

Tarkus

We’re installing a new defense with a new defensive coaching staff. All three big ticket departures were only here for another year at the most, and it doesn’t really make sense to keep them around during that transition. Love Berry and Houston, and Ford was really good last year, but I totally get blowing this thing up and using that cap space on guys who are going to be around beyond 2019. It’s not like we weren’t a dumpster fire with them.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11

yes, all is well.

I still believe in the upcoming “D” plan, tons of time left for Chiefs – it’s only mid-March

I’m sure more FA will be added
Some will be Tier 2 signings – maybe 1 or 2 more Tier 1 – FA’s

oof46
oof46

I know. I just wish we could have rebuilt the dumpster fire around them. Wait a sec, that didn’t sound right.

oof46
oof46

This fucking sucks.

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TNCHIEFS
TNCHIEFS

Over two seasons cut Hali, DJ, Berry, Houston, Ford….damn, that’s a lot of football skillz. And clearly, the Spags move wasn’t some patsy defensive adjustment. Some of these moves, especially Houston and Berry hurt, but Veach got grit.

Texas Chief
Texas Chief

What ever happened to Braushaud Breeland?
I know he had a foot injury last pre-season… has he recovered? Is he still an option to pick up at CB?

Dave B.
Dave B.

At this point I’d rather stay away from anyone with a prior foot injury…

Texas Chief
Texas Chief

We lost Nelson.
Even if you sign Darby to play his old position, still need someone else with experience to back him up.
I’m betting Breeland would be fairly inexpensive, if he’s healthy now after a year off.

gonzangkc11
gonzangkc11

Yes, he’s avaialble – I think he’s ranked 70 of the top 101 total FA’s

QuackTastic
QuackTastic

He ate all our camp food at the buffet, then dipped. Haven’t heard from the dude since.

Pelletman
Pelletman

Cheat Code
Cheat Code

Need to come away from this FA period with a starting corner. Probably need to come away from the draft with another starting corner if we’re honest.

HBKChiefs
HBKChiefs

Well shit. This one really hurts my heart, even though I knew it was very possible. I want to cry. I love Eric Berry. This stings. My favorite player on the team since we drafted him. Got his jersey that year. Another one to retire. I wish him all the best but it’s gonna be very difficult seeing him in another team’s uniform. Eriiiiiiiic Berrrrrrry!!!!!

ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91

Don’t retire it. Wear it proudly just like I will.

HBKChiefs
HBKChiefs

I’ll definitely wear them a couple more times (got red and white, double ouch!) but over time I just have a hard time wearing non current player jerseys.

ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91

If I do that, the only jersey I would have to wear is Mahomes.

oof46
oof46

Was it you that used to have EB as your avatar?

Berserker
Berserker

I think that’s a lot of people.

starry1
starry1

I’ll be wearing my Berry and Houston both this year and probably every year thereafter.

ForeverRanger91
ForeverRanger91

Same here. I paid some good money for that EB jersey and I am not going to retire it.

Dave B.
Dave B.

Can’t post tweets from my phone but sounds like they plan to sign Darby.

EAFOX
EAFOX

Just read the same – Darby, Fuller, Ward + the honey badger and the best remaining safety on our roster would equal a rather strong secondary.

Sudden
Sudden

Watts

ElPasoJason
ElPasoJason

Watts and Lucas should get playing time.

upamtn

whens?

Tarkus

Whos on first.

oof46
oof46

Fuzzy Wuzzy was a woman?